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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Irish villain on November 08, 2013, 11:33:50 PM
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Didn't know where to post this. Just stumbled across this on youtube. Great work.
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Fantastic, love watching these sorts of videos. 3 O'Clock today can't come sooner.
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Got to "On the p*ss" then switched off. Sorry.
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Ooh goosebumps!
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Good video, that's got me in the mood for the game.
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Make's my hair stand on end.
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Got to "On the p*ss" then switched off. Sorry.
Same
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The twats who booed at half time today didn't exactly cover themselves in glory.
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Maybe the boos put the rev up the players. They certainly gave all they had and more second half.
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Maybe the boos put the rev up the players. They certainly gave all they had and more second half.
I thought that up until the goal the second half was much worse than the first where we had several good chances.
As a general rule, I don't think your own fans booing you is good for motivation, especially after you've just had the better of the first half and are not losing. Booing that was frankly pathetic and ridiculous in equal measure.
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The twats who booed at half time today didn't exactly cover themselves in glory.
Yeah, I mean what do they want? The team to score more than zero goals in 4 and a half games?
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The twats who booed at half time today didn't exactly cover themselves in glory.
Yeah, I mean what do they want? The team to score more than zero goals in 4 and a half games?
Haven't we just won? You don't get any extra points for leading at half time.
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The twats who booed at half time today didn't exactly cover themselves in glory.
Yeah, I mean what do they want? The team to score more than zero goals in 4 and a half games?
Haven't we just won? You don't get any extra points for leading at half time.
I think the booing at half time was more the accumulation of horrific home form continuing and the fact we hadn't scored a goal for an eternity, and it looking unlikely that was going to change.
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The twats who booed at half time today didn't exactly cover themselves in glory.
Yeah, I mean what do they want? The team to score more than zero goals in 4 and a half games?
Haven't we just won? You don't get any extra points for leading at half time.
First 10 minutes we were very positive - we then faded throughout the half - if lambert had started with Lowton and pushed bacuna forward rather than using the ineffective kea we may well have had the game won by half time .
Fans pay their hard earned cash and if they feel the need to boo , then fair enough - it was at half time and not during the game - thats their prerogative.
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Albion fans boo the Villa. Booing your own team is never on.
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Agree Ads
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Disagree Ads.
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I can understand booing at full time occasionally.
I can never understand booing at half time.
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Would you expand on your rebuttal?
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Would you expand on your rebuttal?
I think I already have on two separate threads, but I'll add a bit more.
I believe that if you pay good money to watch your team, then provided it isn't violent, intimidating, racist, homophobic etc, then you have the right to air your opinion.
I say this as someone who has never boo'd at half time, as I don't think it would usually achieve much. I do however, understand the reaction as up until today we had lost 4 out of 5 home games and by half time were on a run of 4.5 games without even so much as scoring a goal.
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Had it finished a drab 0-0, would there be a clamour to condemn the boos at half time?
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Had it finished a drab 0-0, would there be a clamour to condemn the boos at half time?
I think thats a good question.
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I think we all obviously care about the club and result - to call someone a disgrace for expressing their frustration is too strong a comment in my opinion .
The fans have been very patient this season but I can understand why some voiced their displeasure - it was bright opening 15 minutes but pretty poor the rest of the half.
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You can express your opinion without booing. We all shout at players and complain, but leave booing the Villa to those that don't support the Villa
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The only time I've ever booed either a Villa player or a team performance at VP is after I'd applauded Alpay when he scored for us. He then placed his finger to his lips in a 'shush' motion. Also, THAT Bolton game in TSM years. From 1-0 up to 1-2 down in the time it took me to send a text as to how relieved I was that we were in the lead.
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The only time I've ever booed either a Villa player or a team performance at VP is after I'd applauded Alpay when he scored for us. He then placed his finger to his lips in a 'shush' motion. Also, THAT Bolton game in TSM years. From 1-0 up to 1-2 down in the time it took me to send a text as to how relieved I was that we were in the lead.
Was the hodge incident before your time leeg?
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Yes and no. Before my time attending matches but not before supporting our club and hating that weasel for what he did when I really looked up to him.
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Agree Ads. Wasn't a lot today at HT but I can't believe it ever helps.
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Booing is part and parcel of football. This isn't the fucking opera lads.
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First half was fucking shit. We've had a lot of shit this season at home...if I persistently do shit at work I will get told. Booing isn't nice but writing a letter takes time.
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There used to be some mean slow handclaps and stomps of the feet back in the trinity - really let the players know how angry fans were - a few boos is nothing in comparison.
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Booing should be reserved for Downing.
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Booing should be reserved for Downing.
Also for anyone who would take him back.
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Booing should be reserved for Downing.
Also: Phil Dowd; Most other referees; All opposition fans; Craig Bellamy.
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So I hear lambert got a bit AVB with his post match
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So I hear lambert got a bit AVB with his post match
Hardly. All he said was
"You can hear the crowd getting edgy and that is the last thing you want, but credit to the players they battled and they were very, very good,"
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Think he also said "it's one thing playing at home but you need the crowd right with you"
Bit harsh on the support I felt.
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Why is that harsh? Booing your own side does nothing but heap more pressure on.
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How many boo'd ? A tiny percentage out of 33000 villa fans. After 7.5 hours without a goal it's understandable but the vast majority didn't boo and were great again yesterday. Great turnout and support so Mr Lambert needs to think before having a pop at the home support.
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I don't think there's an issue with the fans, with lamberts comments on the fans , or with people booing at half time - during the game the crowd were supportive of the team - I have seen fans really turn especially in the mid 80s and yesterday was nothing more than a few venting their frustration - no big issue to be made about it .
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill personally , lets enjoy the win and look ahead .
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We're discussing the issue because it is relevant. If you don't agree that its relevant, then fine.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
None where I was I sitting in P6, either, though I could hear it well enough.
Which part of the ground was it coming from in the main?
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
None where I was I sitting in P6, either, though I could hear it well enough.
Which part of the ground was it coming from in the main?
Higher parts of the Holte End, definitely. As it's been said though it really wasn't anything serious, this discussion's a little bit frivolous to be honest.
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I`d die before i ever did it, never have, never will.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
None where I was I sitting in P6, either, though I could hear it well enough.
Which part of the ground was it coming from in the main?
Higher parts of the Holte End, definitely. As it's been said though it really wasn't anything serious, this discussion's a little bit frivolous to be honest.
Indeed. Its almost as if we're the first team to ever have a section of supporters booing after a poor half of football.
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My point is Lambert made an issue of it when he didn't need to. The support down B6 is bloody brilliant considering the shit lambert has served up the past season and a bit.
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I don't boo, personally, but I sometimes understand why people do.
Not so much at half time, but full time, certainly.
Until yesterday we'd won 7 of our last 37 home games. I think the "boo return" on that kind of investment of shitness has been really tiny. I certainly don't think PL can complain about it, I doubt there has been a manager in Premier League history who had more patience, good will and respect whilst putting together some awful results than he did last season.
He's had the fans with him to a truly remarkable extent, I think it's probably something he should remember before commenting on that sort of thing.
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Spot on Walnuts.
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I don't boo, personally, but I sometimes understand why people do.
Not so much at half time, but full time, certainly.
Until yesterday we'd won 7 of our last 37 home games. I think the "boo return" on that kind of investment of shitness has been really tiny. I certainly don't think PL can complain about it, I doubt there has been a manager in Premier League history who had more patience, good will and respect whilst putting together some awful results than he did last season.
He's had the fans with him to a truly remarkable extent, I think it's probably something he should remember before commenting on that sort of thing.
Add to that 7 hours without a goal and it's not hard to see why some would show their frustration .
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It sounded like a very mild small round of boo-ing more in frustration than anger from my stream lol.
Lamberts had a huge amount of support since he joined us taking into account the shite that has been knocked out in a big portion of games under him.
He's yet to prove himself at the club and will need the support of the majority if he's to continue his rebuilding job at the pace it's going.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
None where I was I sitting in P6, either, though I could hear it well enough.
Which part of the ground was it coming from in the main?
Higher parts of the Holte End, definitely. As it's been said though it really wasn't anything serious, this discussion's a little bit frivolous to be honest.
Indeed. Its almost as if we're the first team to ever have a section of supporters booing after a poor half of football.
Had it been a poor half of football you may have a point.
And as for Lambert's comments, you have to be very careful about drawing conclusions without knowing the context or the nature of the question he was asked.
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Its neither understandable or necessary and deserved to be highlighted.
No booing by me (LH), I heard a bit from the upper tier but it can only have been a few people and I think more is being made of it than needs to be. By highlighting it makes it appear that it was a major issue when it wasn't, just a few people who don't really get it.
None where I was I sitting in P6, either, though I could hear it well enough.
Which part of the ground was it coming from in the main?
Higher parts of the Holte End, definitely. As it's been said though it really wasn't anything serious, this discussion's a little bit frivolous to be honest.
Indeed. Its almost as if we're the first team to ever have a section of supporters booing after a poor half of football.
Had it been a poor half of football you may have a point.
And as for Lambert's comments, you have to be very careful about drawing conclusions without knowing the context or the nature of the question he was asked.
I think barring the first 5 minutes, the first half was poor from both sides. You disagree, that's fine.
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We had a good opening 15 minutes after that the rest of the half was poor .
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So I hear lambert got a bit AVB with his post match
Hardly. All he said was
"You can hear the crowd getting edgy and that is the last thing you want, but credit to the players they battled and they were very, very good,"
I don't take this as criticism. I was edgy, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one.
The 'you need the crowd right with you' comment is only an extension of this.
I can't see where he says we had no right to be edgy. He acknowledges that the crowd were edgy, he mentions how this impacts on the players. I don't read that as criticism. Try not to take it so personally.
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I thought it was a very watchable game from both sides for the first 15 minutes.
From then on, till the 75th minute, we saw our increasingly frustrating inability to break down teams. It's even more annoying when it's against such a poor side, and we gift them possession so much (they had 60% possession for a long stretch of the game).
We ended up scoring twice, though, and won, so there's a limit to how poor a game it could have been. I've seen much worse than that recently.
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I don't boo, personally, but I sometimes understand why people do.
Not so much at half time, but full time, certainly.
Until yesterday we'd won 7 of our last 37 home games. I think the "boo return" on that kind of investment of shitness has been really tiny. I certainly don't think PL can complain about it, I doubt there has been a manager in Premier League history who had more patience, good will and respect whilst putting together some awful results than he did last season.
He's had the fans with him to a truly remarkable extent, I think it's probably something he should remember before commenting on that sort of thing.
Very true, I remember on Boxing Day when we were being turned over 4-0 by Spurs, for the last couple of minutes everyone left in the ground started singing "Paul Lambert's Claret and Blue Army", I thought that was a brilliant show of support.
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I don't boo, personally, but I sometimes understand why people do.
Not so much at half time, but full time, certainly.
Until yesterday we'd won 7 of our last 37 home games. I think the "boo return" on that kind of investment of shitness has been really tiny. I certainly don't think PL can complain about it, I doubt there has been a manager in Premier League history who had more patience, good will and respect whilst putting together some awful results than he did last season.
He's had the fans with him to a truly remarkable extent, I think it's probably something he should remember before commenting on that sort of thing.
Very true, I remember on Boxing Day when we were being turned over 4-0 by Spurs, for the last couple of minutes everyone left in the ground started singing "Paul Lambert's Claret and Blue Army", I thought that was a brilliant show of support.
Same against Wigan a few days later. I think there were fewer of us left than against Spurs though.
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As I said before, the context of the boo is understandable. Shit home record, 7 hours without a goal, failing to take the game to a lowly opponent and, most importantly perhaps, Tonev BLASTING the ball high and wide just before half time when he cut have put a £30m striker clean through on goal.
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With some of the results and performances at home Lambert should be kissing the feet of the supporters that are turning up.
If he can't see why people are beginning to be vent some frustration then he is unbelievably naive.
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I don't think lambert has any problem with the fans and would expect he feels the fans have in general been superb - a couple of people on this thread making mountains out of molehills .
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Fans booed, the manager commented on it, as did I. Its not making a mountian out of anything, its discussing an issue.
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With some of the results and performances at home Lambert should be kissing the feet of the supporters that are turning up.
No thanks. I don't like the idea of Lambert doing that however he can polish my shoes!
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Fans booed, the manager commented on it, as did I. Its not making a mountian out of anything, its discussing an issue.
No issue whatsoever in my view - you have taken lamberts comments out of context and made a big deal of a few people showing their frustration.
There is no problem with villa fans and no problem with lamberts views on the way he has been backed .
People pay hard earned money to watch their team - please don't tell them how to support .
The thread was started to how great villa support is - not to have a pop at a few fans for showing frustration after a poor passage of play and 7 hours without scoring - we all love the club and want success.
Lambert appreciates the fans and the backing -
Paul Lambert reckons Aston Villa should thrive on the expectation at Villa Park rather than fear playing in front of their own supporters.
Lambert understands the frustrations of the claret and blue faithful who jeered the team as they left the field at half-time.
“One thing I can never do is be critical of the Aston Villa supporters,” he said.
“They’ve been fantastic for us and if you lose games then you have to accept it, it’s part of the game.
“The crowd since I’ve been here have been excellent.
I just think we’ve got to thrive on that crowd, it’s a great crowd to play in front of and you have to be able to handle that.”
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I haven't taken anybody's comments out of context. Whether Lambert had said anything or not, there were people booing on the stroke of half time in the Upper Holte (which is where I sit). I am not telling anybody how to support their team, but I am providing my opinion that booing your own side is beyond the pale.
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I haven't taken anybody's comments out of context. Whether Lambert had said anything or not, there were people booing on the stroke of half time in the Upper Holte (which is where I sit). I am not telling anybody how to support their team, but I am providing my opinion that booing your own side is beyond the pale.
You said 2 posts ago that lambert commented on the boos - he has publicly said he has no problem with the fans and understands their frustration - it is part and parcel of football , and happened with a minority at half time not during the play itself - like lambert I have no problem with it and understand their frustration - we will have to disagree ads, but i respect your right to air that opinion.
May I wish you a boo free rest of the season as that will mean we are doing well :)
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I haven't taken anybody's comments out of context. Whether Lambert had said anything or not, there were people booing on the stroke of half time in the Upper Holte (which is where I sit). I am not telling anybody how to support their team, but I am providing my opinion that booing your own side is beyond the pale.
mountain out of molehill imho
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Looks to me like Lambert has reviewed his post match comments and quickly heaped praise on our fans for which I applaud him.
There was nothing really to draw a line under but I'm now drawing a line under this.
Lesson learned. You do not criticise your own support in public as AVB did.
That will come back to haunt AVB.
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Looks to me like Lambert has reviewed his post match comments and quickly heaped praise on our fans for which I applaud him.
There was nothing really to draw a line under but I'm now drawing a line under this.
Lesson learned. You do not criticise your own support in public as AVB did.
That will come back to haunt AVB.
I've seen interviews and press comments from him after the match but still Not sure where he's supposed to have criticised the support ?
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Eastie it's the post match comments on bbc . It's a veiled dig rather than an outright AVB moment.
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Eastie it's the post match comments on bbc . It's a veiled dig rather than an outright AVB moment.
Ok mate , just watched his bbc aftermatch interview and see nothing whatsoever in the way of criticism at fans , think you are misconstruing his comments ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24884579
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"Playing at home you need the fans to be right with you"
As in in his opinion we weren't and the lads ( the players) did "fantastic" to play through that.
It's a subtle dig.
Line drawn under though, we move on.
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We move on indeed - onwards and upwards.
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Some fans booed us off halftime last week at west ham aswell
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We move on indeed - onwards and upwards.
Agree eastie,
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Some fans booed us off halftime last week at west ham aswell
Think that was heavy snoring rather than boos.