Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Woody on October 13, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
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ROOM Change: Now in Directors Lounge, Trinity Rd Stand access via Trinity Reception.
The Villa Trust are pleased to confirm Villa’s CEO Paul Faulkner and CFO Robin Russell will participate in a Q&A session ahead of our Trust AGM on the evening of 24th October at Villa Park.
Paid-voting members are guaranteed entry to the Q&A session. Notice of the AGM has been issued and voting members are requested to confirm their attendance or submit their voting preferences.
Free, non-voting members who have completed the sign up process on the Trust website can email the Trust at enquiries@villatrust.org.uk if they would like to be added to the waiting list for this event. If spaces become available, then they will be offered on a first come-first served basis.
Non-members - please sign up for free at our website and email us to be wait listed.
To guarantee entry to the Q&A session with the CEO and CFO, upgrade your membership status today for as little as £5. Use the Join button on the left navigation bar to complete the application form and payment.
If current members or previous members have not received their AGM notice or renewal notice respectively, then email us at enquiries@villatrust.org.uk
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We are 3 days away from the Q&A forum with Paul and Robin. Spaces are still available for the Q&A. Please sign up as a minimum as a free member and notify us of your attendance on enquiries@villatrust.org.uk.
Many thanks
Tony
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Doors will open at 7pm on Thursday 24th October at the Players Lounge Entrance, corner of North Stand and Trinity Road Stand (within the Players Car Park area). The Q&A forum will start promptly at 7.30pm.
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Please note that the room for the AGM and Q&A forum with Paul Faulkner and Robin Russell tomorrow (Thursday 24th) has now changed to the Directors Suite (2nd floor, Trinity Rd stand) accessed via the Trinity Reception.
Apologies for the short notice in room change at Villa Park
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Any early reports on how this went?
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Why don't they have a report on the Q and A on the official website? One thing that gets complained about is that we don't hear enough from anyone inside the workings of the club so this seems an easy opportunity to get some news.
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No feedback on here either- perhaps no one turned up!
Or maybe every entrant to the event had to sign the official secrets act so that
the planned Ronaldo and Messi signings in January are kept hush hush
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This event was for members of the Villa Trust so presumably those who are members will be informed of what took place.
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I went along. It was informative and good honest dialogue with the club. If you want to attend the next similar event and find out what was said, then you too can become a member of the Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
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I went along. It was informative and good honest dialogue with the club. If you want to attend the next similar event and find out what was said, then you too can become a member of the Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
Well what exactly was you informed about? I can vouch for being a supporter without signing up to anything, and would kindly like to know what the fuck was said?
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That was a bit sharp, I apologise. Just pretty pissed off at the moment, especially considering how little we hear from those above.
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That was a bit sharp, I apologise. Just pretty pissed off at the moment, especially considering how little we hear from those above.
I asked elsewhere. I was told that because there was some pretty straight talk going on it was requested by the club that the conversations remain confidential. It seems everyone who attended has honoured that. Which is fair enough.
I cant imagine there was anything of great importance said to be honest and if there was then at some point the club will say it publicly.
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That was a bit sharp, I apologise. Just pretty pissed off at the moment, especially considering how little we hear from those above.
I asked elsewhere. I was told that because there was some pretty straight talk going on it was requested by the club that the conversations remain confidential. It seems everyone who attended has honoured that. Which is fair enough.
I cant imagine there was anything of great importance said to be honest and if there was then at some point the club will say it publicly.
Yeah you are right c'n'b. I don't know what I would have expected anyway, you never really learn too much from these sorts of things.
Would have been nice to have finally found out that we will be buying Lewandowski with the Benteke funds. Best keep it hush though as other teams might get involved.
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That was a bit sharp, I apologise. Just pretty pissed off at the moment, especially considering how little we hear from those above.
I asked elsewhere. I was told that because there was some pretty straight talk going on it was requested by the club that the conversations remain confidential. It seems everyone who attended has honoured that. Which is fair enough.
I cant imagine there was anything of great importance said to be honest and if there was then at some point the club will say it publicly.
Yeah you are right c'n'b. I don't know what I would have expected anyway, you never really learn too much from these sorts of things.
Would have been nice to have finally found out that we will be buying Lewandowski with the Benteke funds. Best keep it hush though as other teams might get involved.
Bloody hell wouldnt that be great? :)
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I went along. It was informative and good honest dialogue with the club. If you want to attend the next similar event and find out what was said, then you too can become a member of the Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
Well what exactly was you informed about? I can vouch for being a supporter without signing up to anything, and would kindly like to know what the fuck was said?
I can see that you've apologised for being a bit sharp here, but actually, at the top of this thread it is clear that you didn't have to sign up for anything to attend. That was why the thread was started, otherwise Trust members would have just been informed in the normal way and you wouldn't have even known it was happening.
So the meeting wasn't particularly confidential, and to be honest there weren't any amazing revelations that you're missing out on, but we have to respect that PF's willingness to share some personal thoughts, feelings and insights may have been influenced by the size of the audience, and the fact that he already knew most of us in some form or other. So to come on here and repeat it all, just feels a bit wrong somehow.
In fact, I have started to put something together regarding the general gist of the meeting a few times, but just ended up deleting it. However, everyone should bear in mind that PF didn't have to be at the meeting at all, they didn't have to give us a room at Villa Park, & he didn't have to keep back most of his Senior Management Team in case we had any questions of them. This is an example of the club being open and willing to answer questions.
I appreciate that getting to Villa Park midweek isn't possible for everyone, but for those who can, why not just come along next time and see for yourself how open they can be.
Anyway - what I can say is that I got asked to be a Director of The Trust in the role of Club Liaison Officer. They have asked me to do this due to my pro-active role in the safe standing debate. I have not been very involved in The Trust in the past, other than collecting for The McGregor statue, so I am not sure what this involves yet, but I guess I will be trying to get stuff going around other relevant suppporter interests and campaigns. If there are things I should be taking forward, please let me know.
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Congratulations Amfy , I'm sure you will excel in the role .
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I went along. It was informative and good honest dialogue with the club. If you want to attend the next similar event and find out what was said, then you too can become a member of the Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
Well what exactly was you informed about? I can vouch for being a supporter without signing up to anything, and would kindly like to know what the fuck was said?
I can see that you've apologised for being a bit sharp here, but actually, at the top of this thread it is clear that you didn't have to sign up for anything to attend. That was why the thread was started, otherwise Trust members would have just been informed in the normal way and you wouldn't have even known it was happening.
So the meeting wasn't particularly confidential, and to be honest there weren't any amazing revelations that you're missing out on, but we have to respect that PF's willingness to share some personal thoughts, feelings and insights may have been influenced by the size of the audience, and the fact that he already knew most of us in some form or other. So to come on here and repeat it all, just feels a bit wrong somehow.
In fact, I have started to put something together regarding the general gist of the meeting a few times, but just ended up deleting it. However, everyone should bear in mind that PF didn't have to be at the meeting at all, they didn't have to give us a room at Villa Park, & he didn't have to keep back most of his Senior Management Team in case we had any questions of them. This is an example of the club being open and willing to answer questions.
I appreciate that getting to Villa Park midweek isn't possible for everyone, but for those who can, why not just come along next time and see for yourself how open they can be.
Anyway - what I can say is that I got asked to be a Director of The Trust in the role of Club Liaison Officer. They have asked me to do this due to my pro-active role in the safe standing debate. I have not been very involved in The Trust in the past, other than collecting for The McGregor statue, so I am not sure what this involves yet, but I guess I will be trying to get stuff going around other relevant suppporter interests and campaigns. If there are things I should be taking forward, please let me know.
What's the point in the club speaking to the fans if it's just a small group of them who then cannot report back to the rest of us?
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The point is that they were talking to The Suppporters Trust.
The Supporters Trust decided that it would be good to open it up and allow other fans to attend.
They talked to those who attended.
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The point is that they were talking to The Suppporters Trust.
The Supporters Trust decided that it would be good to open it up and allow other fans to attend.
They talked to those who attended.
But not every fan can join the Trust for various things, be it work commitments or logistic reasons, so why not just share what was said with the rest of us?
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
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Edit, wrong thread.
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
Usually they love shouting their mouth off to anyone when it comes to PR. I was just wondering why they are so secretive about a meeting with the Trust when it's claimed nothing of note was said.
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
Usually they love shouting their mouth off to anyone when it comes to PR. I was just wondering why they are so secretive about a meeting with the Trust when it's claimed nothing of note was said.
If you're so interested why weren't you there?
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
Usually they love shouting their mouth off to anyone when it comes to PR. I was just wondering why they are so secretive about a meeting with the Trust when it's claimed nothing of note was said.
If you're so interested why weren't you there?
Because I work for a living, and work shifts. Is that okay with you, Dave?
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Okay then, I'll give you a little info from the night...
Doesn't look like the zorbing at halft time will be returning.
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Thank McGrath for small mercies!
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
Usually they love shouting their mouth off to anyone when it comes to PR. I was just wondering why they are so secretive about a meeting with the Trust when it's claimed nothing of note was said.
If you're so interested why weren't you there?
Because I work for a living, and work shifts. Is that okay with you, Dave?
And that stops you from joining?
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Re-read my post.
Nothing new or particularly controversial was said.
If I post what was said, I can then expect to be cross examined on it.
I'm not The General
So if nothing new or controversial was said why on earth are they being so secretive about it?
I wouldn't expect faulkner to say anything revealing at these type of meetings in all honesty - he will just say what he wants people to know . More a pr exercise than anything .
Usually they love shouting their mouth off to anyone when it comes to PR. I was just wondering why they are so secretive about a meeting with the Trust when it's claimed nothing of note was said.
If you're so interested why weren't you there?
Because I work for a living, and work shifts. Is that okay with you, Dave?
And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
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Okay then, I'll give you a little info from the night...
Doesn't look like the zorbing at halft time will be returning.
Bugger. I won't be attending again then.
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There's nothing from the club because it's not the club's stuff to share, it was a Trust meeting.
The club don't deserve to be berated here, because they didn't have to be present at this meeting, they chose to meet with a group of interested fan prior to the Trust AGM.
Like I say, I am new to The Trust, and until I feel surer of protocols around these things, I don't feel secure to share the contents of this meeting. To be honest, the tone of the questions before anything has been said, doesn't incline me towards wanting to open myself up for questions about what was actually said!
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There's nothing from the club because it's not the club's stuff to share, it was a Trust meeting.
The club don't deserve to be berated here, because they didn't have to be present at this meeting, they chose to meet with a group of interested fan prior to the Trust AGM.
Like I say, I am new to The Trust, and until I feel surer of protocols around these things, I don't feel secure to share the contents of this meeting. To be honest, the tone of the questions before anything has been said, doesn't incline me towards wanting to open myself up for questions about what was actually said!
Keep your powder dry Amfy , as doug used to say :)
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
But I'm interested in a meeting between the Villa and a group of fans. Again, is that so difficult for you to understand?
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
But I'm interested in a meeting between the Villa and a group of fans. Again, is that so difficult for you to understand?
I understand you perfectly.
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
But I'm interested in a meeting between the Villa and a group of fans. Again, is that so difficult for you to understand?
I understand you perfectly.
And I understand you perfectly as well. Especially when it comes to the people running the club.
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
But I'm interested in a meeting between the Villa and a group of fans. Again, is that so difficult for you to understand?
I understand you perfectly.
And I understand you perfectly as well. Especially when it comes to the people running the club.
Yes, it's called being fair and responding appropriately. It's the opposite of moaning for the sake of it and I suggest you try it some time. I suggest you also read the post above that says this was a Trust meeting and it's up to them to decide how this widely the discussion was circulated and while you're at it find one mention I've made in this thread about the "people running the club".
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
Given that you're not a member, you've never been a member, you've not mentioned them on here before, you've never been to any of their meetings and you've never got involved in any of their work I would say there's a good chance that you've never been interested in them before.
But I'm interested in a meeting between the Villa and a group of fans. Again, is that so difficult for you to understand?
I understand you perfectly.
And I understand you perfectly as well. Especially when it comes to the people running the club.
Yes, it's called being fair and responding appropriately. It's the opposite of moaning for the sake of it and I suggest you try it some time. I suggest you also read the post above that says this was a Trust meeting and it's up to them to decide how this widely the discussion was circulated and while you're at it find one mention I've made in this thread about the "people running the club".
I never asked for the full minutes of the meeting so don't get your knickers in a twist. We're all Villa fans so it's only natural we would be interested in a meeting with the people who run the club. Surely you can see that point of view?
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I'd be interested in what was said but if the Supporters Trust don't wish to circulate it, that's fine. I know I can always join whenever I want to.
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I'm not talking about the full minutes so desist with the childishness. The "people who run the club" talk to lots of supporters all the time yet you never ask what happens on every other occasion but if you really want to know, nothing was said of any great importance. In fact, it was so bland that I can't remember any point that was worth remembering although someone did ask why we didn't make greater effort to push the fact that Tom Hanks is a Villa fan. Now that you're as aware of what went on as I am, how about confirming your interest in this particular group by joining here http://www.villatrust.org.uk/ ?
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I'm not talking about the full minutes so desist with the childishness. The "people who run the club" talk to lots of supporters all the time yet you never ask what happens on every other occasion but if you really want to know, nothing was said of any great importance. In fact, it was so bland that I can't remember any point that was worth remembering although someone did ask why we didn't make greater effort to push the fact that Tom Hanks is a Villa fan. Now that you're as aware of what went on as I am, how about confirming your interest in this particular group by joining here http://www.villatrust.org.uk/ ?
Having looked at the link it is worth joining - could you telll me regarding the voting if you have to be there in person or is there a postal vote , proxy vote system in place ?
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I'm not talking about the full minutes so desist with the childishness. The "people who run the club" talk to lots of supporters all the time yet you never ask what happens on every other occasion but if you really want to know, nothing was said of any great importance. In fact, it was so bland that I can't remember any point that was worth remembering although someone did ask why we didn't make greater effort to push the fact that Tom Hanks is a Villa fan. Now that you're as aware of what went on as I am, how about confirming your interest in this particular group by joining here http://www.villatrust.org.uk/ ?
Having looked at the link it is worth joining - could you telll me regarding the voting if you have to be there in person or is there a postal vote , proxy vote system in place ?
There was a postal vote available for the last meeting.
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Thanks dave, I will sign up now .
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I'm not talking about the full minutes so desist with the childishness. The "people who run the club" talk to lots of supporters all the time yet you never ask what happens on every other occasion but if you really want to know, nothing was said of any great importance. In fact, it was so bland that I can't remember any point that was worth remembering although someone did ask why we didn't make greater effort to push the fact that Tom Hanks is a Villa fan. Now that you're as aware of what went on as I am, how about confirming your interest in this particular group by joining here http://www.villatrust.org.uk/ ?
No thanks, I'm off to the pub.
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Was it explained why the run out music vote on the website was ditched so early and now we seem stuck with right here, right now?
I doubt that's too confidential.
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Faulkners a fucking joey anyway, it was more than likely surface issues discussed like the price of a cup of tea and another voucher for pies for season ticket holders and ignore the real problems we have.
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Faulkners a fucking joey anyway, it was more than likely surface issues discussed like the price of a cup of tea and another voucher for pies for season ticket holders and ignore the real problems we have.
You really are so mature.
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No-one asked about pies,mates or run-out music. He answered what was asked. The questions weren't easy ones, the answers seemed honest and quite personal at times, but not particularly surprising.
You're really not missing anything by being told stuff in print. It was literally a 'you had to be there'. When I write it down it is nothing you haven't heard before. If you were there, you got a personal and human view of how and why things sometimes happen the way they do. That's all there is to it.
There's honestly no point in you keeping poking this.
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A football club is not about Trust members, or anyone else who happens to pay to be associated with any other sort of affiliation, it is about supporters, ( I am not an active one now due to location in money matters, but still 100 % Villa heart and body) so when the club holds a meeting with any form of support for that club, it should be a 100% open and reported on. This club belongs to all of us not just a precious few who happen to belong to this arm or the other.
The club has an official speaking about a club and he is honest and open, he should be that whether there are 100 or 20000 there, what is there to hide that we all cannot know.
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Genuine question.
Looking at the about section on the trust website,are the Trust anywhere near getting 'shares in the club'.
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A football club is not about Trust members, or anyone else who happens to pay to be associated with any other sort of affiliation, it is about supporters, ( I am not an active one now due to location in money matters, but still 100 % Villa heart and body) so when the club holds a meeting with any form of support for that club, it should be a 100% open and reported on. This club belongs to all of us not just a precious few who happen to belong to this arm or the other.
The club has an official speaking about a club and he is honest and open, he should be that whether there are 100 or 20000 there, what is there to hide that we all cannot know.
There's nothing precious - the Trust is open to anyone, no matter where you live.
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Genuine question.
Looking at the about section on the trust website,are the Trust anywhere near getting 'shares in the club'.
I'll answer this to say I honestly don't know! As I say, this is a new thing for me - sorry.
The post above that I've already answered in the post above that one.
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A football club is not about Trust members, or anyone else who happens to pay to be associated with any other sort of affiliation, it is about supporters, ( I am not an active one now due to location in money matters, but still 100 % Villa heart and body) so when the club holds a meeting with any form of support for that club, it should be a 100% open and reported on. This club belongs to all of us not just a precious few who happen to belong to this arm or the other.
The club has an official speaking about a club and he is honest and open, he should be that whether there are 100 or 20000 there, what is there to hide that we all cannot know.
Cake and eat it springs to mind.
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Faulkners a fucking joey anyway, it was more than likely surface issues discussed like the price of a cup of tea and another voucher for pies for season ticket holders and ignore the real problems we have.
What problems would you have liked raising, bearing in mind the scope of discussion?
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I have signed up to join the trust tonight - seems a decent group of people .
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So have I.
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I have just followed the link as well.
Ooh I'm in the Trust!
From now on the Villa play in luminous spandex socks.
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Thanks to all that have joined the Trust post AGM. Sorry that I have not been on here to post since. Work and family life get in the way!
First of all, the AGM went well. We now have a new Board of 6 directors who are eager to relaunch the Trust to represent supporters at a club and national level. The Board is now Peter Warrilow (Chair), Anne-Marie Fern (Acting Club Liaison until next AGM to be fully elected), David Michael (National Liaison), Chris Knight(Communications), Mike Jeffries (Community) and myself Tony Barnes (Finance). Joe Al-Khayat was elected as Company Secretary.
The Q&A session with Paul and Robin lasted for about 75 minutes. Questions ranged from strategy, the past spend/managers, spending power, financial sustainability, kits and sponsors, and safe standing amongst others which I can't recall. As has been said earlier in the thread, Paul was open and a frank exchange of views was shared with the members present, most of which he has probably shared at other supporter forums and web chats. We are not unique as he regularly talks to various groups. However, on a particular subject early on in the evening, he asked that no notes/recording were taken - so we respect that wish and won't disclose the topic and comments. We have a very good relationship with the Club and to show the benefit of supporter involvement, we need to be professional and maintain that trust.
I have not taken any notes from the evening's Q&A, only the minutes of the formal AGM will be issued.
The aim of the Trust is to bring together a collective voice, and to represent democratically the views of supporters with the Club and nationally. The larger we are, the stronger our voice will be.
As we are relaunching, any feedback on how we can serve supporters would be welcome as we brainstorm what our action plan is for the next year. Please email us at enquiries@villatrust.org.uk.
Cheers Tony
Sub note:
Re shares question: when we were a plc, we had 1200 shares. However like all shareholders we all had to sell to RAL in the end. The profit from those shares went into the McGregor statue. Our aim is still to get shareholding in the future if shares became available.
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Okay then, I'll give you a little info from the night...
Doesn't look like the zorbing at halft time will be returning.
Aww and that was my favourite part of the villa experience! 😜
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Thanks for the answer Woody.
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And that stops you from joining?
No but it stops me from being there, which is what you originally asked of course.
And now I'm asking why you are suddenly so bothered about a group that you have never shown the slightest interest in before.
How the hell do you know what I'm interested in and not interested in? You don't know me from Adam so stop pretending otherwise. The only thing any of us on here know for sure about each other is that we're all Villa fans, and when there's a meeting between fans and the club then it's pretty obvious Villa supporters might be interested. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
I know you're interested in every single negative story that comes out of the club, I know this because you are determined to post on every one of them about how terrible everything is. Your rant on this thread is much like everything else, you've decided that the club are in the wrong not to have provided a full list of question and answers and are now picking at it for no need. This response is late and probably will be taken as me picking an argument, for which i'm sorry, but it gets pretty annoying to see the same names constantly looking for something to bitch about regarding the club.
More importantly for anyone asking for more info please consider that, as with any meeting with any organisation, if you want to get another one you respect their wishes in how much information is shared and how it's shared. Lets say the bit they want to keep quiet was about changing a supplier, they have a contract with the current one and a leak that they've started work with a replacement might cause problems, so it's sensible to ask it to be kept out quiet, but if the question was specifically about the area affected the only real answer they could give might have been "we agree and we'll announce a replacement in a few months".
Too many people, on this forum at least, seem t owant to bitch about not getting enough info from the club, etc but actually we seem to have one of the best clubs around for sharing information and fan involvement. We see a constant stream of stories about community initiatives and fan consultations but some people always moan about that not being the right kind of fan involvement and not being important, I'm fairly convinced that PF could hand some supporters a list of players we've signed pre-contracts with and they'd moan about the type of paper it was written on.
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Nice rant.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
Then why do they thrive on it? Don't tell me it's pathetic. It's true and you know it.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
Then why do they thrive on it? Don't tell me it's pathetic. It's true and you know it.
No one thrives on it either. What Villa fan would spend hundreds of pounds on season tickets so he could thrive on the misery of watching lose so many games? It's absolute nonsense. What a daft argument.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
Then why do they thrive on it? Don't tell me it's pathetic. It's true and you know it.
No one thrives on it either. What Villa fan would spend hundreds of pounds on season tickets so he could thrive on the misery of watching lose so many games? It's absolute nonsense. What a daft argument.
I said nothing about people who buy season tickets, just about morons who associate themselves with the club and continually slag it off.
Why they torment themselves, I don't know.
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
Then why do they thrive on it? Don't tell me it's pathetic. It's true and you know it.
No one thrives on it either. What Villa fan would spend hundreds of pounds on season tickets so he could thrive on the misery of watching lose so many games? It's absolute nonsense. What a daft argument.
I said nothing about people who buy season tickets, just about morons who associate themselves with the club and continually slag it off.
Why they torment themselves, I don't know.
No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!
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Nice rant.
The Club opened up communication channels on Facebook and a large percentage of responses were purely vitriolic and put there by morons. I sometimes wonder why people associate themselves with Villa if all they can do is slag it off and seemingly love it when we go through bad times.
No one loves it when we go through bad times. It's just pathetic to suggest some do.
Then why do they thrive on it? Don't tell me it's pathetic. It's true and you know it.
No one thrives on it either. What Villa fan would spend hundreds of pounds on season tickets so he could thrive on the misery of watching lose so many games? It's absolute nonsense. What a daft argument.
I said nothing about people who buy season tickets, just about morons who associate themselves with the club and continually slag it off.
Why they torment themselves, I don't know.
No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!
what does this topic have to do with the team on the pitch though? This is the point, you've decided we're going to be shit again and want to make sure everyone knows you're pissed off at the club by bitching on as many threads as possible, creating issues that don't exist.
There's a hell of a big gap between thinking the team should be doing better and what you regularly do on this forum. That you always try to accuse people like DC5 or DW of being nodding dogs or other such nonsense really does show that you don't seem to be able to grasp that thinking the club is great is a large number of ways, but the team is struggling is a perfectly normal point of view.
It's tiring having to read the negative slant you have to apply to every topic you post on, try to be positive about something, once.
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If you're gonna make it personal about me, forget it. If you want to stick to the subject, fine.
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If you're gonna make it personal about me, forget it. If you want to stick to the subject, fine.
Ah nice retort, but please do explain how
"No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!"
Isn't both personal (towards DC5) and completely off the subject of a metting between PF and the trust.
If you don't want people to take things off topic or start to point out your attitude you'd be best to heed your own advice first.
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If you're gonna make it personal about me, forget it. If you want to stick to the subject, fine.
Ah nice retort, but please do explain how
"No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!"
Isn't both personal (towards DC5) and completely off the subject of a metting between PF and the trust.
If you don't want people to take things off topic or start to point out your attitude you'd be best to heed your own advice first.
Well when your called a moron by someone which was completely unprovoked I think it only fair I get to respond. Then you turn up and try and make it personal as well. If you want to have a discussion with me, that's fine, no problem. Less of the personal stuff though.
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Things are a bit tetchy since the everton game and there seem to be a few arguments breaking out - surely on a forum everyone is there to express an opinion be it good or bad and argue their valid points?
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Was anything mentioned on the club's current financial position?
How much to we 'owe' the Owner? And will we be turning a profit anytime soon? The wage bill must have fallen off a cliff even with the last remenants of the previous 3 manager's splurges. And TV income has increased this season quite signifcantly.
Sorry if the info is available elsewhere.
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I know randy likes to avoid publicity and is not comfortable in those situations but I would like him to do a q&a session maybe on the official site for an hour or so as Faulkner has done - all he would need to do is type .
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If you're gonna make it personal about me, forget it. If you want to stick to the subject, fine.
Ah nice retort, but please do explain how
"No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!"
Isn't both personal (towards DC5) and completely off the subject of a metting between PF and the trust.
If you don't want people to take things off topic or start to point out your attitude you'd be best to heed your own advice first.
Well when your called a moron by someone which was completely unprovoked I think it only fair I get to respond. Then you turn up and try and make it personal as well. If you want to have a discussion with me, that's fine, no problem. Less of the personal stuff though.
Nobody called you a moron. You made your own decision there. I have had a knock at the club quite a lot in the past, like any supporter does from time to time. The point I was making was that the club opened up communication channels via Facebook and got slagged by morons. Some of them were morons as they clearly had no clue what they were on about. They would just pick up on the flavour of the month and join in, like the sheep they are.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
Probably a fair comment. I unsubscribed to Official News on FB 3 years ago. Utter blurb which didn't reflect the reality.
However, rightly or wrongly (or somewhere in the middle) Paul Faulkner will always be associated with the recruitment of TSM and also previosuly GH. To be kind to him neither were let's say Good Management Fits for Villa at the time, for different reasons.
A bit like Michael Fish not being allowed to forget his 1987 comments about not panicing as their was no Hurricaine.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
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If you're gonna make it personal about me, forget it. If you want to stick to the subject, fine.
Ah nice retort, but please do explain how
"No one likes to continually criticise, but I don't know if you've noticed but we're into our 4th consecutive season of struggle. Perhaps us "morons" should all be like you and accept every bit of shit Lerner and co throw at us?
Oh to be a nodding dog!"
Isn't both personal (towards DC5) and completely off the subject of a metting between PF and the trust.
If you don't want people to take things off topic or start to point out your attitude you'd be best to heed your own advice first.
Well when your called a moron by someone which was completely unprovoked I think it only fair I get to respond. Then you turn up and try and make it personal as well. If you want to have a discussion with me, that's fine, no problem. Less of the personal stuff though.
I'm not sure how to not make it personal, the forum is full of threads where your posts exist purely to slag the club off and moan about how shit everything is. If anyone says something positive you respond as if they're insane and that the only possible outlook on anything related to the club is to be in a constant state of depression.
You have made it personal by being so infuriatingly negative about things that should be seen as positive. This thread is about the fact that the club agreed to have the ceo and all senior managers (on the business side) stay back on a thursday evening and host an open Q&A with a supporters group. They do this regualrly with a number of supporters groups. Instead of seeing the positive impact of this you decided to have a bitch because they didn't announce the minutes, do you not see how painfully negative that is? I can't target your argument because it doesn't really make any sense so I have to target your general attitude when you post on these boards.
Trying to hide behind a suggestion that I making this a personal attack of some sort is pretty weak as well, I'm attacking your posts and the general tone of them, that's something you've chosen to make public on the board and is perfectly fair. I've not called you names, or done anything to insult you, I've just questioned why you feel the need to see the negative aspect of every story, even if there really isn't a negative to see.
You feel perfectly entitled to call people 'nodding dogs' because they think what the club is doing is good so you have to accept someone having a go back at you thinking everything is shit.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Beat me to it. Was'nt that a throwaway comment by the chap who's name I can't recall off the top of my head?
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Saunders is positivity personified to some of our previous posters down the years , in fairness he has been full of praise for the team on occassions like at arsenal , I have had many agrguments with him myself over randy , and managers in the past but I have no problem with him expressing his opinion - its good to debate issues and have varying opinions .
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Beat me to it. Was'nt that a throwaway comment by the chap who's name I can't recall off the top of my head?
Richard FitzGerald.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Yes it is worth pointing out and that's why i said so called plan - I know the general stated a few things about the aim and ambition a few years back , but I do think if randy did a piece in the programme or on the website even if just once a season , we would have some idea of his intentions and ambitions for the club long term.
I personally believe randy has put a lot of money in for lambert in the last 18 months and think its unfair he is blamed by some for being tight .
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Beat me to it. Was'nt that a throwaway comment by the chap who's name I can't recall off the top of my head?
Richard FitzGerald.
That's the one.
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Why have a plan?
Can somebody let the back four know ta.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Yes it is worth pointing out and that's why i said so called plan - I know the general stated a few things about the aim and ambition a few years back , but I do think if randy did a piece in the programme or on the website even if just once a season , we would have some idea of his intentions and ambitions for the club long term.
I personally believe randy has put a lot of money in for lambert in the last 18 months and think its unfair he is blamed by some for being tight .
Indeed, it's interesting to look at our average annual spend over the time he's been at the club and compare that to the spending since Lambert arrived and has apparently been given no money because Randy is trying to recoup his losses (for the lazy the figures are almost identical). The only manager who can have any argument about the funds he was given is TSM and I think most fans should be pretty glad he wasn't allowed to spend the same as others.
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Yes it is worth pointing out and that's why i said so called plan - I know the general stated a few things about the aim and ambition a few years back , but I do think if randy did a piece in the programme or on the website even if just once a season , we would have some idea of his intentions and ambitions for the club long term.
I personally believe randy has put a lot of money in for lambert in the last 18 months and think its unfair he is blamed by some for being tight .
Indeed, it's interesting to look at our average annual spend over the time he's been at the club and compare that to the spending since Lambert arrived and has apparently been given no money because Randy is trying to recoup his losses (for the lazy the figures are almost identical). The only manager who can have any argument about the funds he was given is TSM and I think most fans should be pretty glad he wasn't allowed to spend the same as others.
Is that accounting for transfers or transfers + wages?
We'd also need to factor in that Lambert was behind the curve having inherited a load of high wage earners from the all 3 previous incumbents. E.g. Given's wages should be attributed to TSM, Warnock's to MON etc... Waste Waste and More Waste. Lambert hasn't been (allowed to be) so profligate
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Judging by some of the comments on Facebook and Twitter when the official site releases any news, i'm surprised Paul Faulkner opens up to the fans as often as he does.
I think this is why the webchat sessions work well as the club can see which questions come in and filter them appropriately - they can also be quite informative but obviously Paul is only going to reveal what he wants to reveal.
Also it's easier to ignore the more difficult questions on a web chat.
Exactly but even asked in person I'm sure he would not give details away of anything we don't want to comment on .
I would love to know randys vision of where he wants to take the club and what the ambition is for the future - we heard a lot about the so called 5 year plan but we have heard little since - is he committed long term or would he be prepared to sell to the right person ?
Is it worth pointing out once again that there never was a five year plan?
Yes it is worth pointing out and that's why i said so called plan - I know the general stated a few things about the aim and ambition a few years back , but I do think if randy did a piece in the programme or on the website even if just once a season , we would have some idea of his intentions and ambitions for the club long term.
I personally believe randy has put a lot of money in for lambert in the last 18 months and think its unfair he is blamed by some for being tight .
Indeed, it's interesting to look at our average annual spend over the time he's been at the club and compare that to the spending since Lambert arrived and has apparently been given no money because Randy is trying to recoup his losses (for the lazy the figures are almost identical). The only manager who can have any argument about the funds he was given is TSM and I think most fans should be pretty glad he wasn't allowed to spend the same as others.
Is that accounting for transfers or transfers + wages?
We'd also need to factor in that Lambert was behind the curve having inherited a load of high wage earners from the all 3 previous incumbents. E.g. Given's wages should be attributed to TSM, Warnock's to MON etc... Waste Waste and More Waste. Lambert hasn't been (allowed to be) so profligate
You can't compare wages really because the situation is very different, the key appears to be to keep them at a manageable level that doesn't require cash input from the owner to pay them, that seems perfectly fair, it's fairly clear that MON pushed that cost too high and GH and TSM weren't able to reduce it. Lambert has done a better job, and the round of new contracts in the summer suggests that he's been given the backing to pay people what he thinks they deserve.
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On face value I can understand the doom-mongers on here. Results have been shite for the best part of four years now which isn't acceptable for a club of our stature.
The key silver lining for me however is I now think we're in a position to grow again whereas all of the previous managers would have been faced (at some point) with the huge elephant in the room that the wage bill was way too high for the natural income generated. Bent, Nzogbia and Given, whilst established players were never going to solve that problem.
I think Lambert deserves a lot of credit for that as he has shopped in the budget end of the market and has managed to find some (rough) diamonds. That said he is at a cross roads now where for everyone's sanity he needs to start signing fewer players but of a more established quality.
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There is a very good interview in the August issue of the H&V with Paul Faulkner. If you want to find out what he told us last week at the AVST meeting, then I suggest you take another look at it.
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Enough on Faulkner, what about our CFO, Robin Russell. Is he any craic?
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On face value I can understand the doom-mongers on here. Results have been shite for the best part of four years now which isn't acceptable for a club of our stature.
The key silver lining for me however is I now think we're in a position to grow again whereas all of the previous managers would have been faced (at some point) with the huge elephant in the room that the wage bill was way too high for the natural income generated. Bent, Nzogbia and Given, whilst established players were never going to solve that problem.
I think Lambert deserves a lot of credit for that as he has shopped in the budget end of the market and has managed to find some (rough) diamonds. That said he is at a cross roads now where for everyone's sanity he needs to start signing fewer players but of a more established quality.
If benteke is sold next summer for £40m having had a good World Cup it will be interesting to see how lambert spends the cash - that sort of money could buy 4 or 5 decent players who could make a huge difference.
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He'll be gone in January.
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He'll be gone in January.
I think he might go in the summer, not sure about January.
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He'll be gone in January.
No point selling him in January - a good World Cup would bump up the price .
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He'll be gone in January.
No point selling him in January - a good World Cup would bump up the price .
The only way I can see him being sold in January is if one of the three who should be in Champions League places (Man U / Citeh and Chelski) look as they though they might miss out of are far off the pace and not scoring a lot.
Any of them could then come in with a £40m 'panic' bid. If they are all in Champions League then added bonus he can also play in those games.
I think he is much more likely to go in the summer - probably to Dortmund to replace Ledandowski.
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He'll be gone in January.
No point selling him in January - a good World Cup would bump up the price .
We won't have the whip hand.
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Not a chance. He'll be with us till the summer then flogged to the highest bidder.
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He'll be gone in January.
No point selling him in January - a good World Cup would bump up the price .
We won't have the whip hand.
Yes we will, he's just signed a new contract.
If we say he ain't going then he ain't going, and if he plays up then his chances of going to Brazil (or at least being anywhere near the first XI) will diminish by the week.
We hold all the whips, cards, aces or whatever cliche you want!
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
Well they kind of are otherwise Benteke wouldn't be with us. He tried to move, we said it would be on our terms only. It didn't happen. Instead he signed a new deal that next summer puts us in exactly the same place as this.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
Well they kind of are otherwise Benteke wouldn't be with us. He tried to move, we said it would be on our terms only. It didn't happen. Instead he signed a new deal that next summer puts us in exactly the same place as this.
How many bids if any did we turn down?
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3 from Spurzzz and one from "some team in the mountains in Russia".
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
True, but you said that Benteke holds the whip hand and I say a new four year contract and a World Cup coming up means he doesn't.
I'm not saying he definitely won't be sold in January but it will take a massive amount of money to tempt us to sell him.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
So why didn't Barry move to Liverpool?
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If we didn't sell him in the middle of the summer, months before the start of the season and with ample time to bring in a replacement, why on earth would we do it slap bang in the middle of the season (when it would almost certainly drop us into another relegation battle)?
Typical brummie miseryarse pessimism. We're our own worst enemies sometimes.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
True, but you said that Benteke holds the whip hand and I say a new four year contract and a World Cup coming up means he doesn't.
I'm not saying he definitely won't be sold in January but it will take a massive amount of money to tempt us to sell him.
You have said it all in your second sentence.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
So why didn't Barry move to Liverpool?
Here are FSW's views:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/10/liverpool-rafael-benitez-criticises-gareth-barry
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
True, but you said that Benteke holds the whip hand and I say a new four year contract and a World Cup coming up means he doesn't.
I'm not saying he definitely won't be sold in January but it will take a massive amount of money to tempt us to sell him.
You have said it all in your second sentence.
But it would still be our choice to sell or not, and whatever is offered, possibly more, is likely to still be available in the summer. Lukaku's good form should be enough to keep Benteke wanting to play this season, so he'd be unwise to try and force anything and end up in the bomb squad.
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A good point - the way Belgium have played with either benteke or lukaku should ensure benteke needs to deliver all season or he may find lukaku in his place at the World Cup, while he warms the bench.
A great incentive to keep on scoring for us.
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It's the World Cup that means we hold the cards, not the contract.
We could have him on a 10 year contract in the summer it will not make a difference to the end result. We will just get a lot more money, which is obviously a good thing and we can rebuild with hopefully 3/4 'bigger' signings, if we can attract them.
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It's the World Cup that means we hold the cards, not the contract.
We could have him on a 10 year contract in the summer it will not make a difference to the end result. We will just get a lot more money
That is a difference to the end result isn't it?
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
So why didn't Barry move to Liverpool?
Here are FSW's views:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/10/liverpool-rafael-benitez-criticises-gareth-barry
So because we wouldn't release him from the contract that he's signed with us?
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It's the World Cup that means we hold the cards, not the contract.
We could have him on a 10 year contract in the summer it will not make a difference to the end result. We will just get a lot more money
That is a difference to the end result isn't it?
I was tempted to edit it after I posted to define what I meant more clearly, but you know what I mean, in that Benteke will leave. It was definitely a stroke of genius financially (I should imagine) getting him to agree a new contract.
Do I believe he would have stayed if the World Cup was not round the corner? No. I could be completely wrong mind, but I don't have that much faith in players unfortunately, and that is all it is based on. Who wouldn't leave for a sufficiently increased wage? Increased wage and potentially not play, therefore decrease your chance to play in the World Cup? The answer's not so clear. Again though, basing it on nothing, just what I feel.
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If only footballer's contracts were worth the paper they are printed on.
So why didn't Barry move to Liverpool?
Here are FSW's views:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/10/liverpool-rafael-benitez-criticises-gareth-barry
So because we wouldn't release him from the contract that he's signed with us?
Ridiculous question in the first place.
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It would probably seem that way if you don't understand that the length of time left on a footballer's contract is directly related to the likelihood of his club to choose whether or not to sell him.
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I don't get what's so hard to understand. It is still the choice of the club to sell that player while under contract. Even if the player goes on strike it really makes no difference as it relates to the contract. The club still hold the cards. Now as that contract runs down the club might choose to offer new terms or cash in before the player becomes a free agent. But there is nothing a player can do to break that contract without the clubs consent. Same in reverse. Villa would love to sell Hutton but he doesn't have to go while under the current contract. Just because it is shit for Villa makes no difference to the player who is entitled to it.
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I understand it perfectly well without you pair spelling it out. I hope Benteke stays, being one who stuck up for him from the start and one who didn't keep bleating about him missing sitters, and hope to see him scoring many more goals but I think someone will come in with a big offer and he will be gone.
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I understand it perfectly well without you pair spelling it out. I hope Benteke stays, being one who stuck up for him from the start and one who didn't keep bleating about him missing sitters, and hope to see him scoring many more goals but I think someone will come in with a big offer and he will be gone.
but that rule applies to every player on the planet and has nothing to do with his contract. Any club can make a huge bid, the contract means we don't have to sell which you suggested doesn't matter and is factually incorrect. And as for backing him, I can speak for myself and say I'm no different to you in that regard.
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I understand it perfectly well without you pair spelling it out. I hope Benteke stays, being one who stuck up for him from the start and one who didn't keep bleating about him missing sitters, and hope to see him scoring many more goals but I think someone will come in with a big offer and he will be gone.
but that rule applies to every player on the planet and has nothing to do with his contract. Any club can make a huge bid, the contract means we don't have to sell which you suggested doesn't matter and is factually incorrect. And as for backing him, I can speak for myself and say I'm no different to you in that regard.
Money will talk and always has done. Just hope we don't settle on anything less than £40m.
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Managed to get my hands on a photo of Faulkner and his meeting with the trust:
(http://i.imgur.com/S1ByISx.png)
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Managed to get my hands on a photo of Faulkner and his meeting with the trust:
(http://i.imgur.com/S1ByISx.png)
Ouch.
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Managed to get my hands on a photo of Faulkner and his meeting with the trust:
(http://i.imgur.com/S1ByISx.png)
Hilarious - must have taken ages to think of that.
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http://www.villatrust.org.uk/wp-content/themes/villatrust.org.uk/files/AVST_AGM_Oct2013.pdf
As issued to the membership, Q&A "notes" with Paul included.
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Homer looks well endowed there.
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A football club is not about Trust members, or anyone else who happens to pay to be associated with any other sort of affiliation, it is about supporters, ( I am not an active one now due to location in money matters, but still 100 % Villa heart and body) so when the club holds a meeting with any form of support for that club, it should be a 100% open and reported on. This club belongs to all of us not just a precious few who happen to belong to this arm or the other.
The club has an official speaking about a club and he is honest and open, he should be that whether there are 100 or 20000 there, what is there to hide that we all cannot know.
I've just realised that the location thing defines your username.
I thought you were pb av fuckwit.
Sorry.
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Great to read that the books are finally balanced and lessons have been learnt all round.
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Great to read that the books are finally balanced and lessons have been learnt all round.
Indeed, I found the notes of the meeting with mr faulkner both refreshing and encouraging - all looking well for the future .
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I liked the mention of continuity. Looks like the critisism of the Villa lurching from one manager/playing style to a completely different one has been addressed. Very good to see.
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I liked the mention of continuity. Looks like the critisism of the Villa lurching from one manager/playing style to a completely different one has been addressed. Very good to see.
Which to me is the most important thing for now.
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Having joined the trust over a week ago I've been most impressed by the people running it and the work they do - well worth a fiver .