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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on September 21, 2013, 06:56:20 PM
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Does anyone have a clue how refs allocate this, it seems to me they just make it up as they go along? I must admit I let out a chuckle when he gave Norwich 5 minutes today considering how biased he was for them for most of the afternoon.
I then tried to think of how he could've got up to that number and couldn't think of a logical reason.
There were no goals scored in the second half, 6 subs were made (but the Bassong and Benteke injuries were in the first half when only two minutes were added) and Norwich actually made a double sub so there's no way you can just add a minute on when two players come on at pretty much the same time.
So really there was 1 m 30 seconds of injury time which would get rounded up to two when you take into account us slowing the play down at various points, no way should there have been another three minutes on top of that.
I then looked back to the Newcastle game, I think we got 3 minutes for that when there were two goals scored in that half (including a length goal celebration by Gouffran) and 4 subs so just seems bizarre to me and very biased to the home team.
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Luna was down injured, Weimann briefly too. Possibly others, can't remember now. Coupled with the subs I was expecting about four. He probably gave them an extra minute so they wouldn't whine so much.
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I thought 5 added minutes was quite fair today. Both sides used all 3 subs and there were a few injuries to account for. It was excruciating at the time but I don't think it was unnecessary.
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Seemed about right....and not withstanding the penalty decision I thought we had the all the 50/50 calls. Plus no bookings!
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Also seemed right to me, especially as we were trying every time-wasting tactic in the book.
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Apart from the penalty decision I didn't think the ref favoured Norwich at all, if anything it probably went the other way.
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Isn't it 30 seconds per sub ? So thats around 3 minutes if all subs have been used. Did seem about right,but didnt stop me moaning when i saw the amount.
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Two subs were used in the first half and Norwich also did a double sub in the second half so I can't understand how you can add a minute on when one sub comes on seconds after the other.
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I said to the lad it would be five minutes at least, think it was fair to be honest. We were time wasting and there were injuries such as Luna's.
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I think the referee was adding time Brad Guzan delaying goal kicks in the last ten minutes or so.
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At one stage, a Norwich player walked off with the ball. Must have forgotten they were losing. Luna was down for a while. We guessed 5 minutes before the board went up. With 30 seconds per sub as well, I think it was perfectly justified.
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I listened to 5Live commentary who said it seemed very fair.
Rose tinted spectacles perhaps?
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I thought 4 minutes at the most personally.
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About time football adopted the rugby union approach. Just stop the clock every time there's a substitution, injury or bit of time-wasting. That way everybody knows how long is left and just gets on with it.
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It was fair - we slowed game down whenever we had the opportunity to - i actually thought it may have been as much as six.
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About time football adopted the rugby union approach. Just stop the clock every time there's a substitution, injury or bit of time-wasting. That way everybody knows how long is left and just gets on with it.
Have been saying this for years whoever the knight from Manchester got on his high horse. The downside to having the ref indicating stopping time to timekeepers in the stand is a 3 o'clock match would end about 5.30!!
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Five minutes is a bloody long time though. You rarely get that at the end of the first half and back before the timeboards if you went two minutes after the 90 you ran out breathe whistling at the ref.
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It always seems to me that the injury time added in the second half is always longer than what is added in the first.
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Added time was introduced into the Laws of the Game because of an incident which happened in 1891. On Saturday November 21st 1891 Stoke were losing 2-1 to Villa when they were awarded a penalty with seconds of the match remaining. However the Villa goalkeeper Albert Hinchley kicked the ball out of the ground and by the time it had been returned the referee had blown for full-time.
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There's never been a game of football that has had anywhere close to enough injury time played in it.
The balls in play for an average of about an hour a game. Therefore there should be at least 15 minutes injury time each half, then you'd have to add more injury time for the ball being out of play in injury time.
Fans are being well and truly ripped off. Imagine if a taxi driver stopped his cab, jumped out and danced on the pavement for a couple of minutes while the meter kept running. Would you get out and jig along with him?
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About time football adopted the rugby union approach. Just stop the clock every time there's a substitution, injury or bit of time-wasting. That way everybody knows how long is left and just gets on with it.
That would be good, except that it isn't used properly in Rugby. The clock should be stopped every time the ball goes out of play, but it isn't. A kicker can take up to a minute lining up a kick whilst the clock runs and scrums take for fucking ever without the clock being stopped.
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Imagine if a taxi driver stopped his cab, jumped out and danced on the pavement for a couple of minutes while the meter kept running. Would you get out and jig along with him?
If it was a late night taxi and I was pissed, yes.
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There's never been a game of football that has had anywhere close to enough injury time played in it.
The balls in play for an average of about an hour a game. Therefore there should be at least 15 minutes injury time each half, then you'd have to add more injury time for the ball being out of play in injury time.
Fans are being well and truly ripped off. Imagine if a taxi driver stopped his cab, jumped out and danced on the pavement for a couple of minutes while the meter kept running. Would you get out and jig along with him?
That isn't injury time though is it?
Reminds of the famous story, or possibly myth, of how back in the early days we conceded a penalty right at the death that would have been important. One of our players grabbed the ball and booted it as far as he could out of play (this would have been before we moved to VP) and as there was no injury time in those days the ref blew for full time and we got away with it.
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No, not technically, but then scoring goals and making substitutions isn't technically injury time.
Just think its ridiculous that a third of a match is allowed to go by with nothing happening
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No, not technically, but then scoring goals and making substitutions isn't technically injury time.
Just think its ridiculous that a third of a match is allowed to go by with nothing happening
Its not injury time , it is stoppage time.
Law 7. The duration of the match,
Allowance for time lost
Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through:
• substitutions
• assessment of injury to players
• removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment
• wasting time
• any other cause
The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee
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I'd be all for the clock stopping, but it would have to stop every time the ball went out of play
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Reminds of the famous story, or possibly myth, of how back in the early days we conceded a penalty right at the death that would have been important. One of our players grabbed the ball and booted it as far as he could out of play (this would have been before we moved to VP) and as there was no injury time in those days the ref blew for full time and we got away with it.
Not myth. See my comments above.
Reference: The Sunday Times Illustrated History Of Football Reed International Books Limited 1996. p.11
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Ooops sorry ALITA. I only clicked view last post and then replied to that. That will teach me for not reading! My excuse is i'm feeling delicate today haha
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It always seems to me that the injury time added in the second half is always longer than what is added in the first.
Wouldn't that be expected? Second halves tend to be the ones when substitutions happen and a substitution is a mandatory 30 seconds of added time.
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It always seems to me that the injury time added in the second half is always longer than what is added in the first.
Wouldn't that be expected? Second halves tend to be the ones when substitutions happen and a substitution is a mandatory 30 seconds of added time.
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Goals are supposed to add 30 seconds also, yet I've seen first halves with 4 goals that only have 1 minute added on
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It always seems to me that the injury time added in the second half is always longer than what is added in the first.
Wouldn't that be expected? Second halves tend to be the ones when substitutions happen and a substitution is a mandatory 30 seconds of added time.
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Goals are supposed to add 30 seconds also, yet I've seen first halves with 4 goals that only have 1 minute added on
There is nothing in the laws that states that tho..generally in the 1st half it will be 1 or 2 mins, in the 2nd normally a min of 3, as that's when you tend to get more stoppages, ie subs, injuries, time wasting
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I've always thought that the best way of dealing with the issue of time-wasting when goals are scored would be to amend the rules as follows: Team X score a goal; the referee retrieves the ball and makes his way at his own pace to the centre-circle and places the ball on the spot. When Team A are ready, they kick-off.
This would prevent excessive and frankly tosseresque goal celebrations viz. last week's winner from the Car-toons when they realise halfway through their mutual masturbatory backslapping that eleven men are bearing down on their 'keeper at the other end of the pitch.
Problem solved!