Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Singapore Villa on September 16, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
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Has anyone else noticed how often we either give the ball away immediately from a thrown-in or the receiving player fails to return the ball to the thrower? It really boils my piss as we seem to be the only team in professional football that cannot master this basic skill.
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worse than that, we have actually been penalised for a foul throw in ourt last 2 home games.
A fucking foul throw !!!
TWICE !!!!!
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I've been saying for years that our player movement at throw-ins is utter wank. I've seen Sunday league teams create space better than we do. How hard can it be when everyone else does it? Been a bugbear of mine for a long time now.
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I've been saying for years that our player movement at throw-ins is utter wank. I've seen Sunday league teams create space better than we do. How hard can it be when everyone else does it? Been a bugbear of mine for a long time now.
I don't think it's just throw ins, our movement off the ball in general is dreadful. Most of the players seem to think movement is running away from the player with the ball.
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Agreed PWS. I have been thinking about this for ages but just had to post after that sorry shower of s**** on Saturday. It really can't be that hard can it?
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I've been saying for years that our player movement at throw-ins is utter wank. I've seen Sunday league teams create space better than we do. How hard can it be when everyone else does it? Been a bugbear of mine for a long time now.
I don't think it's just throw ins, our movement off the ball in general is dreadful. Most of the players seem to think movement is running away from the player with the ball.
I thought that at times last season, even when we were crap, but especially the last few months, we did some superb pass and move. But the last 2 home games there has been very little. Delph and Benteke often seem the only 2 Villa players who even think of doing it. I don't get why we seem to have regressed back to being statues and relying on Guzan lumping the ball aiming for Benteke.
Signed,
Frustrated of Birmingham.
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Has anyone else noticed how often we either give the ball away immediately from a thrown-in or the receiving player fails to return the ball to the thrower? It really boils my piss as we seem to be the only team in professional football that cannot master this basic skill.
This has been a problem for years. I can't remember when it wasn't a problem for us. It drives me insane. Where is the technical ability to, a) throw it to one of our own and b) for him to have the technical ability to control it and give it to one of our own?
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It's a symptom of lack of confidence and indecision. The ball gets put out and they dither for 20 seconds before throwing it to the fullback to take, instead of being decisive and just throwing it as quickly as possible while the opposition are disorganised. This is followed by the inevitable 'vague chuck down the line', looking for the flick-on and generally losing the ball. It's really annoying, has been for ages.
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In the past decade I have always thought various villa sides seem to give the ball away needlessly from both kick outs and throw ins.
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Kick outs?
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I've noticed that by and large, we're a pile of s***e.
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Ashley Young took that really good quick one when Sidwell told him it was on from where he was warming up, as I recall, and we scored from that!
That's what happens when players are awake and talking to each other and move quickly to take advantage. Perhaps they should show the film again in training.
Otherwise, I too have noticed dodgy throw in technique as Montbert describes.
It's a symptom of lack of confidence and indecision. The ball gets put out and they dither for 20 seconds before throwing it to the fullback to take, instead of being decisive and just throwing it as quickly as possible while the opposition are disorganised. This is followed by the inevitable 'vague chuck down the line', looking for the flick-on and generally losing the ball. It's really annoying, has been for ages.
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Yes. I've been saying this since Big Ron left. It's amazing the number of times we offer the other team a 50/50 ball when should be in control of it.
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Kick outs?
When the goalkeeper kicks the ball out.
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Kick outs?
When the goalkeeper kicks the ball out.
Sorry, i should have said Goalkicks. Kick-outs is a real Irish thing to say, apologies.
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worse than that, we have actually been penalised for a foul throw in ourt last 2 home games.
A fucking foul throw !!!
TWICE !!!!!
which Newcastle retained possession and then scored
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Kick outs?
When the goalkeeper kicks the ball out.
Sorry, i should have said Goalkicks. Kick-outs is a real Irish thing to say, apologies.
I blame Marty Morrissey.
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Poor throw in technique. Lambert out!
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They are normally thrown fast to the player closest and hit him somewhere around his belly button... can't really do a lot with them.
Was it Barry and Alan Wright that had a little routine where it would get launched down the pitch from by our corner flag.
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Yes.
Thanks for bringing back that memory. They were good together down that side weren't they?
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I had to re-open this. Are we the only Premier League team that regularly commit foul throws?
How comical was the Weimann one from Saturday?
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Yes, that was atrocious and it is indicative of a chronic problem. Fuck all movement off the ball.
In my opinion this s due to a lack of confidence, other posters have maintained it is training/coaching. Somebody made a very cogent first post around Christmas time comparing how fear played out on confidence last season, and how it would be different this season. I would say he has been proved correct.
Watch when we take a corner. No runs to the near post. or drifting in or out. Standing like statues holding hands with the their marker who thinks, I wish it was always like this. By the way, you rarely see this on TV as the camera follows the ball. You just gotta be there. Once you are there you will wish were not, so I don't blame you.
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I laughed when Weimann was having a go at the official after his foul throw. What a fool.
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Ye i was behind weimann in the bottom corner of the holte and he just threw it like a dropball! Disgraceful. My sons team do that probably once a game aswell but they are under 7s!!!
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Has anyone else noticed how often we either give the ball away immediately from a thrown-in or the receiving player fails to return the ball to the thrower? It really boils my piss as we seem to be the only team in professional football that cannot master this basic skill.
It's a Lambert thing. Ever since he took over we've struggled to keep the ball from throw ins. It's basic training ground stuff yet he can't even get that right.
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Basic stuff like movement off the ball, especially to create space for others, has been an issue down the Villa long before Lambert arrived. It's something that has bugged me for a long time.
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Basic stuff like movement off the ball, especially to create space for others, has been an issue down the Villa long before Lambert arrived. It's something that has bugged me for a long time.
No it isn't. It's purely a Lambert thing. I've never known a time at Villa when throw ins were a problem till he turned up. As I said, it's basic training ground stuff yet he can't even get that right.
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There isn't much we are good at. We're a shit team. But I do expect us to manage successful throw ins.
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There isn't much we are good at. We're a shit team. But I do expect us to manage successful throw ins.
Now you're just being greedy!
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The amount of times the ball gets thrown at speed to the player receiving the ball, aimed somewhere between his knee and chest making it hard to control. Rarely to the feet or rarely a yard or so in front so they can move onto it. Truly pathetic.
Don't start me on corners!
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The amount of times the ball gets thrown at speed to the player receiving the ball, aimed somewhere between his knee and chest making it hard to control. Rarely to the feet or rarely a yard or so in front so they can move onto it. Truly pathetic.
Don't start me on corners!
Go on. Start a "corners" thread.
Don't hold back. Give it the big gun.
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It is shocking the amount of set pieces we have, be it throws, free kicks or corners, that end up with the ball back with Guzan following two backward passes. The whole lack of movement, creativity and attacking ineptitude has the manager to blame. It does not matter if the cause is poor players, poor tactics, poor training or lack of motivation ultimately he is responsible for the lot. I have no doubt he does not know how to change things either.
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It's a well known fact that the most any player on the pitch will have the ball is 2 minutes...as a kid we had a fantastic football coach who always used to say.." you can achieve a lot in the 2 minutes but it's what you do in the other 88 minutes that really matters...me thinks he could have been right
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The amount of times the ball gets thrown at speed to the player receiving the ball, aimed somewhere between his knee and chest making it hard to control. Rarely to the feet or rarely a yard or so in front so they can move onto it. Truly pathetic.
Don't start me on corners!
Go on. Start a "corners" thread.
Don't hold back. Give it the big gun.
I'd bore myself to tears! ;-)
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It's a well known fact that the most any player on the pitch will have the ball is 2 minutes...as a kid we had a fantastic football coach who always used to say.." you can achieve a lot in the 2 minutes but it's what you do in the other 88 minutes that really matters...me thinks he could have been right
Exactly.
If one of our players finds themselves with acres of space in front of them, they will, with the occasional exception of Delph, pass it sideways or backwards. This goes completely against the grain of all instinctive football knowledge, which you can see by watching good schoolboy level games.
Attack the space, your teammates will move intelligently, and opportunities will open up. Not so with us. When Lowton did it against Sunderland at VP last year, it was like a religious apparition.
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When did Neil Ruddock last have a salad? If I remember correctly, it was about the same time that we did something productive at a throw in.
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There was a farcical throw-in on Saturday in front of the dugouts. Bertrand and possibly Delph involved. One threw it to the other, at waist height, who managed to knee it back at chest level. Between them they frantically managed to shovel the ball 50 yards back to Guzan who then launched it back 70 yards into space. Lambert leaped to his feet applauding manically.
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There was a farcical throw-in on Saturday in front of the dugouts. Bertrand and possibly Delph involved. One threw it to the other, at waist height, who managed to knee it back at chest level. Between them they frantically managed to shovel the ball 50 yards back to Guzan who then launched it back 70 yards into space. Lambert leaped to his feet applauding manically.
It is surreal, but we have become used to it.