Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: paulcomben on September 04, 2013, 10:07:07 PM
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3448450,00.html
ASTON VILLA
25 squad players
Player (Home Grown)
Agbonlahor, Gabriel (Yes)
Albrighton, Marc (Yes)
Bacuna, Leandro (No)
Baker, Nathan (Yes)
N'Zogbia, Charles (Yes)
Bennett, Joseph (Yes)
Benteke, Christian (No)
Bowery, Jordan (Yes)
Clark, Ciaran (Yes)
Delph, Fabian (Yes)
El Ahmadi, Karim (No)
Given, Shay (Yes)
Guzan, Bradley (No)
Helenius, Nicklaus (No)
Herd, Christopher (Yes)
Kozak, Libor (No)
Lowton, Matthew (Yes)
Luna Rodriguez, Antonio (No)
Stevens, Enda (No)
Stieber, Andras (Yes)
Sylla, Yacouba (No)
Tonev, Aleksandar (No)
Vlaar, Ron (No)
Weimann, Andreas (Yes)
Westwood, Ashley (Yes)
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Stevens, Given and Nzog all named and Hutton left out, interesting.
Andras Stieber named, even more interesting.
Before anyone asks, Okore and Steer don't need to be named, they count as youth players of which we can have an unlimited amount.
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Bit confused. The Yes/No next to the name is whether the player is home grown? So how come "N'Zogbia, Charles (Yes)"?
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I think home grown means they started out as a 'youth' in English football. Of which Charles did at Newcastle.
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Bit confused. The Yes/No next to the name is whether the player is home grown? So how come "N'Zogbia, Charles (Yes)"?
Because he joined Newcastle before he turned 18 (or is it 19).
See Chris Herd and Andi Weimann as well.
EDIT
- Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"
From the BBC page explaining the rules.
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I don't get how a lot of the top flight clubs are going to comfortably come under the 17 overseas player limit. But of course in the case of certain clubs, they'll get away with it.
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I don't get how a lot of the top flight clubs are going to comfortably come under the 17 overseas player limit. But of course in the case of certain clubs, they'll get away with it.
Do they need to come 'comfortably under' it? Exactly 17 players that weren't developed as youth players in England or Wales would be fine. I expect every team will manage that.
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That Stieber inclusion is pretty baffling considering he's apparently been a fringe youth cup player & hes in ahead of the likes of Gardner, Domacien and Grealish
and if being over 21 is the reason he's ahead of the under 21 fringe first team squaders, then surely we'd have seen him in pre season at some point
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That Stieber inclusion is pretty baffling considering he's apparently been a fringe youth cup player & hes in ahead of the likes of Gardner, Domacien and Grealish
None of those three need to be named. I don't think Stieber will be playing ahead of any of them.
I'm guessing it's just that there was nobody else apart from Hutton, so he may as well have be in ahead of an empty space.
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Hutton might start thinking he's not wanted any more.
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That Stieber inclusion is pretty baffling considering he's apparently been a fringe youth cup player & hes in ahead of the likes of Gardner, Domacien and Grealish
None of those three need to be named. I don't think Stieber will be playing ahead of any of them.
I'm guessing it's just that there was nobody else apart from Hutton, so he may as well have be in ahead of an empty space.
I hadn't realised he's nearly 22 but as you say it was probably just that we had someone just old enough to need to be named and a spare place.
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If rest of Bomb squad is gone, it might make Alan Hutton be less nuisance and he could be used as cover for Lowton if we needed to use him. Are we cutting the nose off to spite the face. If we can make him calmer and be more disciplined in tackling. How long his contract is up ?
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Maybe the club hope a lower league or overseas club will take Hutton on loan. Must admit, i'd have given him a number just in case we ever needed him. With our luck with injuries over the last few years it's not beyond the realms of possibility. We're paying his wages whether he is in the 25 or not, so may as well cover ourselves.
Of course he may be a massive twunt at training and a bad influence so Lambert wants him away form the squad, but for all his on field faults Hutton has never struck me as a trouble maker.
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If rest of Bomb squad is gone, it might make Alan Hutton be less nuisance and he could be used as cover for Lowton if we needed to use him. Are we cutting the nose off to spite the face. If we can make him calmer and be more disciplined in tackling. How long his contract is up ?
2 more years, I think we'll be trying to get him out on loan to the championship, Bacuna is the first backup at right back and Okore can play there if needed.
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So can Herd. We're fine there.
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Is Andreas Steiber a brother of Zoltan who used to be on our books? Memory might be playing tricks but I seem to recall him and Albrighton ripping it up for the reserves on either wing.
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That Stieber inclusion is pretty baffling considering he's apparently been a fringe youth cup player & hes in ahead of the likes of Gardner, Domacien and Grealish
None of those three need to be named. I don't think Stieber will be playing ahead of any of them.
I'm guessing it's just that there was nobody else apart from Hutton, so he may as well have be in ahead of an empty space.
I hadn't realised he's nearly 22 but as you say it was probably just that we had someone just old enough to need to be named and a spare place.
this and i think it is against the rules to name an under 21 year old to forfil your home grown quota, otherwise you would just name 17/18 year old nobodys and pay them a small retainer to do nothing all there career other than fill the quota. so by default he is in andkeeps our home grown quota up. personally i dont have a problem with it, given will probably go on an emergancy loan or lower league loan and that will leave 3 keepers still
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I hadn't realised he's nearly 22 but as you say it was probably just that we had someone just old enough to need to be named and a spare place.
Stieber's possibly just a space filler to prevent questions about why Hutton's not in the 25 when there's a spare place.
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Is Andreas Steiber a brother of Zoltan who used to be on our books? Memory might be playing tricks but I seem to recall him and Albrighton ripping it up for the reserves on either wing.
I think so.
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Delfouneso can't be considered then when he returns from his loan (albeit there will only be 2/3 months of the season remaining).
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Delfouneso can't be considered then when he returns from his loan (albeit there will only be 2/3 months of the season remaining).
You have to resubmit at the end of Jan and there is scope at the point to add and remove a small number outside transfers in and out, so there's no point putting the fonz on now.
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Delfouneso can't be considered then when he returns from his loan (albeit there will only be 2/3 months of the season remaining).
You have to resubmit at the end of Jan and there is scope at the point to add and remove a small number outside transfers in and out, so there's no point putting the fonz on now.
Gotcha, thanks.
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That Stieber inclusion is pretty baffling considering he's apparently been a fringe youth cup player & hes in ahead of the likes of Gardner, Domacien and Grealish
None of those three need to be named. I don't think Stieber will be playing ahead of any of them.
I'm guessing it's just that there was nobody else apart from Hutton, so he may as well have be in ahead of an empty space.
I hadn't realised he's nearly 22 but as you say it was probably just that we had someone just old enough to need to be named and a spare place.
this and i think it is against the rules to name an under 21 year old to forfil your home grown quota, otherwise you would just name 17/18 year old nobodys and pay them a small retainer to do nothing all there career other than fill the quota. so by default he is in andkeeps our home grown quota up. personally i dont have a problem with it, given will probably go on an emergancy loan or lower league loan and that will leave 3 keepers still
Are you getting Stieber mixed up with Siegrist ?
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Which one of them used to perform magic in Vegas with Roy?
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The 17 overseas limit is too high. There should be a 5 year plan for clubs to go down to 10.
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I'm not sure why Enda Stevens is in the squad as he's out on loan at Notts County.
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I'm not sure why Enda Stevens is in the squad as he's out on loan at Notts County.
One month emergency loan only.
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Stevens, Given and Nzog all named and Hutton left out, interesting.
Think we knew they were all out of the picture based on their squad numbers (all in the late 30s). N'Zogbia could still offer something I think, maybe Given and Hutton will go out on loan?
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Championship loans are still allowed are they not?
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I think they stopped on Monday's deadline but the window reopens for the very loosely named 'emergency loans' very soon.
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I'm not sure why Enda Stevens is in the squad as he's out on loan at Notts County.
One month emergency loan only.
Ah, thanks Bob.
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Stevens, Given and Nzog all named and Hutton left out, interesting.
Think we knew they were all out of the picture based on their squad numbers (all in the late 30s). N'Zogbia could still offer something I think, maybe Given and Hutton will go out on loan?
That's my point, we know none of them are likely to play and we know nzogbia is out until around christmas at the earliest but Nzog, Stevens and Given have squad places Hutton doesn't, it suggests to me that he'd be willing use the others as backup if needed but Hutton isn't considered at all, hutton in and nzog out would've made sense as the latter is unlikely to be available for many games before we resubmit anyway, this feels very much like a direct statement to Hutton as far as I'm concerned, I reckon we'll see him out on loan to the championship shortly after the window opens.
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As long as Given is here he will be in the squad as a back up to the other two. Stevens was probably given a place because we could afford to. I'm not sure N'Zogbia is totally out of Lambert's thinking. Hutton clearly is.
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Along with a couple of others suspect N'Zogbia has one more season to make his case to Lambert.
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Nzogbia is out until the end of the year isn't he?
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Nzogbia is out until the end of the year isn't he?
It looks like it - an achilles injury.
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Nzogbia is out until the end of the year isn't he?
It looks like it - an achilles injury.
I think the estimate was about 8months, so unlikely to be around before late february at the earliest.
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I think loans are allowed from Sunday onwards, as the Gossip column suggested that Leeds were going to go for Burke from Blues.