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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 26, 2013, 10:39:30 AM
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Wednesday 28.8.13 7:45pm KO
10-0 Home win
Helenius 3, 5, 8, 16, 25, 27, 30, 33, 43, 45
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4-2 home win. We'll score first, they'll equalise to give them hope and all that, and then we run away with it. They get a consolation in injury time.
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Some of the posters on here think they're headed to the Bronx.
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=450
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Some of them also have a very high level of intelligence:
Villa are a great club with a fantastic tradition.
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They have a good stadium and a nice river running at the back of it.
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They still chuck rocks at the moon up there, bless 'em.
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Aston Vanilla?! :-[
Boom!Boom!
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3-1 home win
Helenius , bacuna and kea with the goals.
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Eric Twigg supplies their Pukka Pies you know.
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Hope we go pretty strong for this. We haven't got another game for over two weeks and we could do with a convincing win to restore confidence after two, albeit narrow and undeserved defeats. I'd also like to see us get to a final in at least one of the cups this year. They'll come flying out the blocks early on, we'll score on the counter, and run out 4-1 winners. I hope.
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I think we should go reasonably strong given the upcoming break, but rest some of our players who've played most games and give game time to new signings and players who've missed a lot of pre-season.
Something like
Steer - bacuna Okore Clark Bennett - sylla Gardner KEA - Tonev gabby - helenius
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Play Benteke. He will reach double figures . fuck u RVP
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Go full strength. Smash them. Get some confidence back. Rest.
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Will go 3-0.
Gabby
Weinman
Bacuna
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I'm going 7-1, can see an almighty backlash for them northern folk.
Villa boys will be pissed about last 2 games and unfortunately Rotherham are going to feel the pain.
Helenius 2, Tonev 2, Sylla 1, Okore 1, Gardner 1
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I think it could be a bit flat after the intensity of our last three games.
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Us 3 Them 0
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2-1 Us
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3-1. Weimann, Tonev and Helenius to score.
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Wednesday 28.8.13 7:45pm KO
0-1 Home win
Helenius 85
So shouldn't be that 1-0 ?
And given it's a Legion prediction and your disposition towards optimistic predictions, shouldn't it be more like 5-0 ?
Yours,
Confused, Telegraph Hill
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Well spotted.
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Better?
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8)
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I'll go 3 - 1 Villa for this one. Looking forward to Wednesday night.
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A good 4-1 win I think.
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it will be a superlative 3-o
with a croed of about 25,000
I envisage the crowd to be to quiet, as its always hard to get up for these games against opposition you are expected to put away easily.
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the way we battered lower league opposition towards the end of the pre-season leaves me in no doubt about this game. We'll take it seriously and we'll win comfortably. The post match thread will be mostly comments like job done which ultimately is all that will matter.
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They will score a goal.
We will score more than them.
;-)
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I'm going 7-1, can see an almighty backlash for them northern folk.
Villa boys will be pissed about last 2 games and unfortunately Rotherham are going to feel the pain.
Helenius 2, Tonev 2, Sylla 1, Okore 1, Gardner 1
I will go with this. Fantastic.
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7 (seven) - 0
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I'd like to be associated with the magnificent 7s.
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the way we battered lower league opposition towards the end of the pre-season leaves me in no doubt about this game. We'll take it seriously and we'll win comfortably. The post match thread will be mostly comments like job done which ultimately is all that will matter.
Yep, with a two week break coming up, I can't see us making that many changes. Leave out anyone with a knock or those that are overly tired, but apart from that we should go full strength.
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With no game at the weekend I can't see too many changes. Change of formation though...
My team would be,
---------------Steer---------------
Bacuna---Okore---Clark---Bennett
-----Sylla---Westwood---Delph---
--------------Tonev---------------
---------Benteke---Helenius-------
Subs, Vlaar, Guzan, Luna, Gardner, Herd, Gabby, Wiemann
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5-0 home win
Agbonlahor (3), Helenius, Vlaar
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As we don't have a game for 3 weeks after this I would play a strong side and give them some more match time together .
---------------Steer---------------
Lowton---Okore---Vlaar---Luna
-----Sylla---Westwood---Delph---
--------------Weimann---------------
---------Benteke---Gabby-------
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With no game at the weekend I can't see too many changes. Change of formation though...
My team would be,
---------------Steer---------------
Bacuna---Okore---Clark---Bennett
-----Sylla---Westwood---Delph---
--------------Tonev---------------
---------Benteke---Helenius-------
Subs, Vlaar, Guzan, Luna, Gardner, Herd, Gabby, Wiemann
Something along these lines, please. A look at Tonev in behind a front two.
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With no game at the weekend I can't see too many changes. Change of formation though...
My team would be,
---------------Steer---------------
Bacuna---Okore---Clark---Bennett
-----Sylla---Westwood---Delph---
--------------Tonev---------------
---------Benteke---Helenius-------
Subs, Vlaar, Guzan, Luna, Gardner, Herd, Gabby, Wiemann
A very 'Football Italia with James Richardson' sort of formation. And I like it.
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Do we know if Sylla is fit now?
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---------------Steer---------------
Bacuna---Okore---Clark---Bennett
-----Sylla---Herd---Gardner---
--------------Tonev---------------
---------Bowery---Helenius-------
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Weimann should play and be given a chance to break his duck for the season. Build up some confidence .
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Although I can understand the 'no game for two weeks' argument about not needing too many changes, that also needs to be balanced with the fact that a lot of these have just played 3 tough games and he'll also want to keep those who've not played too much interested.
Steer
Lowton-Donacien-Okore-Luna (unless Bennet is fit)
Sylla-Westwood-Gardner
Tonev-Helenius-Gabby
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A 4-0 win for us.
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Baker, Moon and Clark are the only injury doubts.
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4-0 with goals from Gabby, Weimann, Helenius and Delph.
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4-1 to us.
Hopefully there wont be wholesale changes for this game.
Tonev , Benteke (2) and Helenius for us.
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What's all this call for playing a diamond formation? Not for me thanks.
I'd stick with the three up top.
I'm a bit uneasy that we'll struggle to get up for this game. As long as we do, and play with real tempo, I think we'll be ok.
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I think we should go reasonably strong given the upcoming break, but rest some of our players who've played most games and give game time to new signings and players who've missed a lot of pre-season.
Something like
Steer - bacuna Okore Clark Bennett - sylla Gardner KEA - Tonev gabby - helenius
oh please not bennett
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There's quite a lot of potential cupsets going on tonight so we shouldn't be complacent. Keep about 5-6 of the regular starters to date in, and tell helenius and Tonev this is their big chance to am show what they can do
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The thought of Bennett against strong lower league forwards will always make me shudder...
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I am all for giving a few of the fringe players a run out, but with no game for 2 and a alf weeks, would keep the nucleus of the team. Luna apparently has a knock so Bennett is likely to play.
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I'd keep a minimum of 6 from the team that started against Liverpool.
Probably keep in Lowton, Vlaar, Westwood, Delph, Gabby and Andi. I'd also be tempted to start with Okore to allow him to start to build up an understanding with Vlaar.
Throw in Steer, Bennett, Tonev and Helenius and we should have too much for Rotherham.
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Narrow 2-1 win I think.
Logical to give Helenius and Tonev starts in this and I'd keep Weimann in as he needs a goal. Would imagine Sylla will start aswell.
Gabby and Benteke on the bench just in case so Lambert can play his 4 forwards upfront again against lower league teams!
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Guzan
Bacuna-Herd-Okore-Bennet
Sylla-Herd-Gardner
Bowery-Helenius-Gabby
I defo think Herd should play and welcome him back I like his style
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Think we might see Tonev in the "number 10" position again tomorrow night. Can see a team something like:
Steer
Bacuna Okore Clark Bennett
Sylla KEA
Weimann Tonev Gabby
Helenius
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I'd like to see Grealish get a run out.
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I'd like to see Grealish get a run out.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him on the bench PW and get a run out if we build a good lead.
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2-0 to the Villa, Helenius x 2
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Think we might see Tonev in the "number 10" position again tomorrow night. Can see a team something like:
Steer
Bacuna Okore Clark Bennett
Sylla KEA
Weimann Tonev Gabby
Helenius
That sound good to me, but is Bennett fit ?
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The League Cup is our best chance of Wembley and silverware and hence we should play our strongest team. Bacuna Clark and Bennett in defence ?? That's just asking for trouble.
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No extra time or penalties please.
I dont like late nights these days and like to be home and getting off to sleep between 10 and 10.30.
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Is the game on TV at all ?
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Al Jazeera HD6 are showing the game
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Good, im in Devon and was thinking I'd have to suffer WM commentary on tune-in radio .
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I'm saying 3-1 Villa, Helenius and Weimann twice.
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No excuses we need to win this one. No messing about with team selection. The team that played Liverpool should play as after tonight they have about 2 months off before the next game.
For me it has to be Guzan, Bacuna, Vlaar, Okore, Luna, Westwood, Delph, KEA, Tonev, Benteke, Weimann.
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Guzan
Bacuna-Herd-Okore-Bennet
Sylla-Herd-Gardner
Bowery-Helenius-Gabby
I defo think Herd should play and welcome him back I like his style
I'd like to see Herd play as well, but not in defence and midfield!
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Lambert's got a lots of things to weight-up with tonight's team selection. Yes we want to win well, and yes we don't have a game for a while afterwards, but this is also a great opportunity to give the likes of Tonev and Helenius their first starts, and also to give players like Herd valuable game time.
I also have a sneaky feeling that Delph will play and be skipper tonight, as a way of rewarding his recent form.
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I would of went for a tenner and took a few people as well but since they want to charge fifteen. No chance!!
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£10 in the Lower North Stand.
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I think £15 is good value and £5 kids we are all going for £40 (+ booking fee).
Anyway no point having a squad if we don't know if they are good enought to fill in when required so I would go
Steer
Bacuna, Okore, Clark, Bennett
Sylla, Herd, Gardner
Tonev, Helenius, Weimann
Lambert won't though.
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Im going for a positive 5-0 demolition
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Im going for a positive 5-0 demolition
6-1
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Only £12 in the Holte.
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Only £12 in the Holte.
However cheap it is there will always be someone who won't go because it's too expensive.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
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Steer
Bacuna, Okore, Clark, Bennett
Sylla, Herd, Gardner
Tonev, Helenius, Weimann
That's a good shout, though if Baker is fit, I'd be tempted to play him at centre-back and move Clark into the midfield holding position at the expense of Herd.
Think Clark is a lot like Barry, he/we need to find his best position.
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Only £12 in the Holte.
However cheap it is there will always be someone who won't go because it's too expensive.
And if the ground is not full it destroys the arguement that reducing prices equals larger attendances.
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Full strength team please. We don't want to be preparing the guest room for Mr Cock-up do we ? Have just found out the game is on in town in Turkey where Im holidaying Happy days!
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Good shout. I'd love to see him again and he can provide good crosses for Helenius. He was on the bench for the Malaga game so there is a chance although Lambert might put him on the left with Tonev on the right. The only thing I think we can take for certain is that Helenius will start. If so he will need wide players.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
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Only £12 in the Holte.
However cheap it is there will always be someone who won't go because it's too expensive.
And if the ground is not full it destroys the arguement that reducing prices equals larger attendances.
No it doesnt. If we get 20,000 then it could possibly have been 10,000 if we'd charged full price.
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Still haven't had my sodding ticket despite the Ticket Office assuring me on Saturday that I was definitely down as being in the Cup Scheme.
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Still haven't had my sodding ticket despite the Ticket Office assuring me on Saturday that I was definitely down as being in the Cup Scheme.
Have you checked your Credit Card to see if the TO has taken payment ?
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They haven't, but I told them that on Saturday and they were adamant it was in hand. Will see if anything has arrived in the post today.
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Tickets for Villa v Rotherham are no longer on sale via the telephone due to high demand.
They are available online for a limited period only.
Any supporters hoping to attend are advised to purchase their tickets in person at Villa Village as early as possible.
Tickets are available to purchase in person now from Villa Village.
Tickets are available to collect from Villa Village Ticket Office from now until 5.30pm.
They are then available to collect from 5.45pm at the Trinity Road Ticket Kiosk.
Supporters are urged to collect any pre-purchased tickets as early as possible to avoid large queues and the possibility of missing kick-off.
This is an all-ticket affair - season cards will not be activated.
All supporters must be in possession of a ticket.
It is expected to be extremely busy around Villa Park tonight so get down here early to secure your tickets for tonight's big match.
Tickets are priced at North Stand and Family Stand: £10 [adults] and £5 [U16s], Holte End: £12 [adults] and £5 [U16s], Trinity Road and Doug Ellis: £15 [adults] and £5 [U16s].
They are available on general sale.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
Because I don't want him to be able to play tonight, what other reason could there be?
In my opinion he is clearly not good enough. Obviously I'd prefer him just not to be picked, but I'm not 100% confident that'll happen. The sooner Albrighton leaves for a club that he could do well at, someone like Walsall, the better for him and us.
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According to Rotherham, they've sold over 3,000 tickets for tonight.
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I'll be delighted if Albrighton starts. The lad has a lot to offer, the sooner he can have a sustained injury free period the better. Just look at Delph
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
Because I don't want him to be able to play tonight, what other reason could there be?
In my opinion he is clearly not good enough. Obviously I'd prefer him just not to be picked, but I'm not 100% confident that'll happen. The sooner Albrighton leaves for a club that he could do well at, someone like Walsall, the better for him and us.
You don't like him so you want him injured. Charming.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
Because I don't want him to be able to play tonight, what other reason could there be?
In my opinion he is clearly not good enough. Obviously I'd prefer him just not to be picked, but I'm not 100% confident that'll happen. The sooner Albrighton leaves for a club that he could do well at, someone like Walsall, the better for him and us.
Not rating him is fine. Wishing him injured so he dose'nt play is idiotic.
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Albrighton showed great promise under houllier but since then a mixture of injuries and poor form has seen him slip out of the frame - I'm surprised as i really hoped for him to become a vital player in the team , probably needs to drop down a division and regain some confidence and form.
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
Because I don't want him to be able to play tonight, what other reason could there be?
In my opinion he is clearly not good enough. Obviously I'd prefer him just not to be picked, but I'm not 100% confident that'll happen. The sooner Albrighton leaves for a club that he could do well at, someone like Walsall, the better for him and us.
You don't like him so you want him injured. Charming.
I apologise. I forgot hoping he's not fit confirms that I hope he's broken his leg and in no way could it mean that I hope he's not match fit for tonight's game as I'd rather he didn't play. Blimey. Wouldn't you rather be offering your opinion on tonight's team selection/score etc. rather than picking up on one flippant comment that really doesn't mean anything?
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Is Albrighton fit yet?
Let's hope not.
Why don't you want a Villa player fit?
Because I don't want him to be able to play tonight, what other reason could there be?
In my opinion he is clearly not good enough. Obviously I'd prefer him just not to be picked, but I'm not 100% confident that'll happen. The sooner Albrighton leaves for a club that he could do well at, someone like Walsall, the better for him and us.
Not rating him is fine. Wishing him injured so he dose'nt play is idiotic.
And assuming I want him injured is presumptuous, and, dare I say it, idiotic.
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Just a heads up for people oversea's tonight match is one of 3 being shown live.Check your listings.
Match on Al Jazeera Sport
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Has anyone managed to buy a ticket online this afternoon? It doesn't seem to be available through eticketing. There are other games to purchase tickets for, but not tonights. Does this mean only tickets in store/on the door now?
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It does come across that way though CBBB. If you don't want him fit to face a Division 3 club at home, which you also already mentioned was level, then it's not a great leap to assume you won't want him fit to feature in any league games.
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T'view from t'Dales.
STEVE EVANS is no under no illusions as to the task awaiting Rotherham United if they are to spring a cup shock on their first visit to Villa Park in over 40 years.
The Millers manager has likened the challenge in front of his side to scaling Ben Nevis in trainers.
Striker Danny Nardiello will sit out the game due to a one-match ban after his dismissal for two bookable offences in the weekend draw with Shrewsbury.
Evans revealed that the forward was almost in tears in the dressing room on Saturday after realising he had let his team-mates down.
For the rest of his playing colleagues, it is a rare place in the national limelight with Evans and his side determined to make the most of it.
Evans and his Villa counterpart Paul Lambert share an affinity with Celtic, but that is where the similarities end between the clubs.
Evans, who has revealed he is chasing two or three signings before the transfer window closes, including a player currently in the Scottish Premier League, said of tonight’s test, said: “It will be like climbing Ben Nevis in our training shoes.
“Football will always be a game of shock results, every season in football history that has happened and that will continue for sure.
“Villa are in superb form this season, they have top players, they have lots of youth and energy plus – in my opinion – they also have a top manager in Paul Lambert.
“We do not kid ourselves that this match will be tough and at times we might not see a lot of the ball, so when we do we have to make sure we use our time with it effectively.”
Evans, who masterminded several cup shocks in his time as Crawley manager, added: “We will be taking somewhere in the region of four thousand supporters to Villa Park.
“I know they will give the team the best vocal backing we could get.
“When we arrive at Villa Park we do so as a very proud squad of men, that is the minimum criteria I want from all of us when we leave to head back to Rotherham.
“I want all of us to enjoy and embrace the occasion.
“But we must deliver a huge performance if we are to cause a cup upset, and I believe we can.”
Last six games: Aston Villa LLWDLW, Rotherham DWDWDW.
Last time: Aston Villa 1 Rotherham 2; October 9, 1971; Division Three.
Referee: S Hooper (Wiltshire).
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Has anyone managed to buy a ticket online this afternoon? It doesn't seem to be available through eticketing. There are other games to purchase tickets for, but not tonights. Does this mean only tickets in store/on the door now?
I'm guessing the limited online has passed so it's buy at the ground or shop in town now.
Tickets for Villa v Rotherham are no longer on sale via the telephone due to high demand.
They are available online for a limited period only.
Any supporters hoping to attend are advised to purchase their tickets in person at Villa Village as early as possible.
Tickets are available to purchase in person now from Villa Village.
Tickets are available to collect from Villa Village Ticket Office from now until 5.30pm.
They are then available to collect from 5.45pm at the Trinity Road Ticket Kiosk.
Supporters are urged to collect any pre-purchased tickets as early as possible to avoid large queues and the possibility of missing kick-off.
This is an all-ticket affair - season cards will not be activated.
All supporters must be in possession of a ticket.
It is expected to be extremely busy around Villa Park tonight so get down here early to secure your tickets for tonight's big match.
Tickets are priced at North Stand and Family Stand: £10 [adults] and £5 [U16s], Holte End: £12 [adults] and £5 [U16s], Trinity Road and Doug Ellis: £15 [adults] and £5 [U16s].
They are available on general sale.
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Has anyone managed to buy a ticket online this afternoon? It doesn't seem to be available through eticketing. There are other games to purchase tickets for, but not tonights. Does this mean only tickets in store/on the door now?
In person only,sounds like they have sold a lot more than they thought they would.
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Just a heads up for people oversea's tonight match is one of 3 being shown live.Check your listings.
Match on Al Jazeera Sport
Never expected that , cheers lambshank !
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Think we are on Al Jaz Sports 6.
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I would have tonight but I'm looking after the nipper. Damn my fertility.
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I hope we see an entirely rotated team tonight. Want to see the new signings and rotation players get the game time in.
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Strong line up , good.
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What's the line up ?
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I guess Lambert wants to win the game early then bring subs on then? :-\
Bit worried we are playing almost the same team, they must be knackered.
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Steer Vlaar Okore Bennett Bacuna KEA Westwood Gabby Delph Beast Weimann
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 10m
#AVFC: Steer, Vlaar, Okore, Bennett, Bacuna, El Ahmadi, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Delph, Benteke, Weimann. #AVFCLIVE
Subs: Guzan, Clark, Helenius, Herd, Sylla, Tonev, Lowton. #AVFC #AVFCLIVE
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I guess Lambert wants to win the game early then bring subs on then? :-\
Bit worried we are playing almost the same team, they must be knackered.
This is true, but we should have too much for them and we don't have another game for a while, so it should be fine. It's a mix of giving people gametime - Steer, Bennett - and trying to win the game.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 10m
#AVFC: Steer, Vlaar, Okore, Bennett, Bacuna, El Ahmadi, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Delph, Benteke, Weimann. #AVFCLIVE
Subs: Guzan, Clark, Helenius, Herd, Sylla, Tonev, Lowton. #AVFC #AVFCLIVE
Very strong team.
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I guess Lambert wants to win the game early then bring subs on then? :-\
Bit worried we are playing almost the same team, they must be knackered.
This is true, but we should have too much for them and we don't have another game for a while, so it should be fine. It's a mix of giving people gametime - Steer, Bennett - and trying to win the game.
Yeah I guess so. Benteke in particular it seems to me should have bene rested. Doesnt he have some more international football coming up soon?
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I too would prefer to have seen Helenius get a first start, I must say. Hopefully he'll get quite a few minutes, it would be good for him to get into his stride.
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4- 1 we are sure to concede one
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Am amazed at that line up.
Here's hoping none of these lower league cloggers fancy making a name for themselves by taking Benteke out.
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Well the Bradford and Tranmere cloggers didn't. No reason to think the Rotherham ones want to.