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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on August 19, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
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Not just because of the win on Sat, although that certainly helped, but i have a genuine passion for us again that was nearly wiped out with the disasterous project with TSM.
I could not wait to see them in pre season and cannot wait even more to see this side take on 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
Even if results dont go our way, and i am sure we will get tonked as many times as we tonk others - the Sunderland game highlighted just how much of an exciting attacking force we can be
To go into to every game knowing that the manager has installed in them the willingness to graft, play at pace and score goals to win the game is so refreshing and i cannot wait for the first home game
Lets make it a sell out!
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Amen to that.
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When TSM was sacked many people (including myself) said things like "I just want to look forward to going down the Villa again". Mission accomplished! ;D
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Whether it is blindness on my part is that I truly believe that our defence is not as bad as we assume it is. It would be interesting to see the stats on goals against since the Bradford 2nd leg and the percentage that have come from set pieces. It is for this reason that I am very optimistic for the coming season, I believe we have a good back line, supported by an excellent goalkeeper, a forward 3 that will cause havoc, a developing midfield( I would like a creative one in there) and a subs bench which looks really pacy. It's going to be a very enjoyable season.
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Lets enjoy the journey and see where it take us - certainly the feel good factor is running through the club again and this team will only get better .
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When TSM was sacked many people (including myself) said things like "I just want to look forward to going down the Villa again". Mission accomplished! ;D
Absolutely - i suffered great depression under TSM and struggled around Christmas to come to terms with what PL was trying to achieve after 'that run' of results. I am so chuffed that i stuck with it and the fruits of our labours are now bearing rich fruit. Saturday was absolutely fantastic. It was great to be part of that - my mate and my son and i just got hammered with joy after game that we missed last train home i think it was 21:43 we were still in the Drayton at 21:40....had to fly to Victoria and catch a coach......we caught one.......if ever there was a train to miss this was it......awesome day!!!!! 4 fu*king hours on that coach failed to dampen my spirits - 03:20 got to Digbeth 04:00 home 04:02 watching MOTD......happy bunny all over again!!!!
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@ My Left Foot
Since Bradford Home
Played - 17 Goals For - 32 Goal Against - 28
Defence = hmmmmmm
I'm really excited for the season, I certainly don't think we'll be drawing many games!
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
Have to admit, I had my season ticket still at that point, but missed loads of matches that season. Mostly for factors beyond my control, but I wasn't really shedding too many tears.
It was a horrible, horrible season.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
I've no problem with Mcleish as a person , but as a football manager he sets out to play in a very negative way which you may be able to do at blues but certainly at villa we expect better football.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
I'm choosing to look at that time as a necessary evil, a year 0 if you like, and it allowed the space for Lambert to go about the job the way he has.
It could all still go tits up, but I really feel Lambert is capable of doing something extraordinary with us. I wouldn't swap him for anyone.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
I'm choosing to look at that time as a necessary evil, a year 0 if you like, and it allowed the space for Lambert to go about the job the way he has.
It could all still go tits up, but I really feel Lambert is capable of doing something extraordinary with us. I wouldn't swap him for anyone.
I don't know about extraordinary as without the huge finances of the top clubs its hard to break into that elite group but i can see him doing a similar job here to what moyes did at everton and establish us back around the top 6 on a regular basis .
Top 6 , European football and a cup or two during his reign will do very nicely indeed.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
I'm choosing to look at that time as a necessary evil, a year 0 if you like, and it allowed the space for Lambert to go about the job the way he has.
It could all still go tits up, but I really feel Lambert is capable of doing something extraordinary with us. I wouldn't swap him for anyone.
I don't know about extraordinary as without the huge finances of the top clubs its hard to break into that elite group but i can see him doing a similar job here to what moyes did at everton and establish us back around the top 6 on a regular basis .
Top 6 , European football and a cup or two during his reign will do very nicely indeed.
Realistically yes, but he's so much better than his peers that it won't matter what they've got.
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If we beat Chelsea (which I think is a tough ask) this site is going to go ballistic.
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McLeish's main problem was that his game rests on having a very good defence and nicking games by a goal. His first season in the Prem with the Blues they did well. Solid in mid-table. They didn't score many but Johnson and Dann were solid at the back and they didn't concede that many either.
Unfortunately our defence under McLeish was mediocre. It's not even so much that he's particularly good at organising a backline, it's just that he will happily sit 10 men behind the ball.
I think seriously he was hoping to defend through most of our games and have the pace of Gabby, Zog and Bent on the break to nick a few goals. It didn't work out that way.
The most depressing moment for me, under TSM was the last game. We'd secured safety with a game to space. No pressure. At Norwich, a beatable team. We could have gone out and tried to finish the season with at least some kind of flourish. But he played the most horrifically negative side. It was pathetic. Playing for a 0-0 in a game where result didn't matter and we could have afforded a bit of attacking intent. Our only three attacking players on the pitch were Gabby, Ireland and Heskey. Gab was having a nightmare in the tail end of that season. Heskey was played left wing IIRC. Ireland was typically anonymous. It was a wretched display and pretty much nailed in a few extra nails in a coffin that was firmly shut already for TSM.
I never want to experience a game like that again. It's the definition of Anti-football.
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If we beat Chelsea (which I think is a tough ask) this site is going to go ballistic.
Agreed although we were in a similar situation last season going there on the back of a 3-1 win at anfield and full of hope - i would take a narrow defeat at the bridge and a win over Liverpool on Saturday - 6 points from those 3 games would be an excellent return.
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The most depressing moment for me, under TSM was the last game.
For me it was Spurs away.
The way we were set up that night was risible - it made me embarrassed to be a Villa fan and will take some forgetting.
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Bolton at home for me was the lowest point of the Mcleish reign.
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I think McLeish comes across as a decent person tbh, but the football we played when he was in charge was dire. I only went as I felt obligated.
Have to admit, I had my season ticket still at that point, but missed loads of matches that season. Mostly for factors beyond my control...
Similar to my own situation, in fact I also missed most of the first half of last season too. Started going down again in January/February this year and like to think that Villa's improvement mirrors my own.
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Under McLeish it became a chore watching us, I started hating going to games. And for that, as nice a bloke as he may be, i'll always dislike McLeish for turning me against something I love.
As for under Lambert, I got loads of stick on here last season as I kept saying I was loving following us again, even when we were not exactly firing on all cylinders. I probably enjoyed last season more than any season since 95/96. It felt like MY Aston Villa again.
Now multiply how I felt last season a few times and that is how I feel about this one. I can't wait for the Dippers game and to be back at VP.
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The most depressing moment for me, under TSM was the last game.
For me it was Spurs away.
The way we were set up that night was risible - it made me embarrassed to be a Villa fan and will take some forgetting.
Spurs away was the beginning of the end for TSM. I'll never forget my reaction when the line-up was announced. Up to that point most were hoping he would change at a bigger club and we might be a solid, mid-table outfit.
That night, he set us up against flipping Spurs to engage in an exercise in damage limitation.
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I'm enjoying being excited.
I work and live in West Brom. Surprisingly though, not many of my colleagues fancy talking about football this morning. They were all for it a few months ago.
Although the Albion fan (and top bloke to be honest) I sit next to is on holiday this week, would have rattled on all morning with me and I'd have got no work done! So probably for the best. I'll be texting him in the week to get his predictions for the soccer six we run at work and will be sure to share my excitement then!
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I'm enjoying being excited.
I work and live in West Brom. Surprisingly though, not many of my colleagues fancy talking about football this morning. They were all for it a few months ago.
Although the Albion fan (and top bloke to be honest) I sit next to is on holiday this week, would have rattled on all morning with me and I'd have got no work done! So probably for the best. I'll be texting him in the week to get his predictions for the soccer six we run at work and will be sure to share my excitement then!
Best text him before weds night just to be on the safe side ;)
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Oh welcome back, Eastie.
Been off H&V all weekend so must have missed your return. I hope the fixtures come round before then I must say!
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The most depressing moment for me, under TSM was the last game.
For me it was Spurs away.
The way we were set up that night was risible - it made me embarrassed to be a Villa fan and will take some forgetting.
Same for me.
I'm actually still angry at McLeish.
If you'd a roofer to fix your roof, and he made a pig's ear of it whilst walking off with the money, you'd go apeshit, so all this 'he's a good bloke' wears thin.
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Lets enjoy the journey and see where it take us - certainly the feel good factor is running through the club again and this team will only get better .
Yes and don't get too disheartened if we get no more than 1 point out of next ywo games.
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This was not meant to be an analysis of TSM but the fact that we have a young, exciting and attacking team- its all football fans outside the mega sky 4 (and dillusional 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans) want isn't it?
Knowing our only plan was to defend and pack out and hope to "snatch" a goal,There were times it was mind numbing to watch
Now i am excited and counting the hours till next game
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The most depressing moment for me, under TSM was the last game.
For me it was Spurs away.
The way we were set up that night was risible - it made me embarrassed to be a Villa fan and will take some forgetting.
I said at the time that for me, the Spurs game signified something terrible was about to happen. I had never seen such a cowardly approach to a game in a long time.
I then got clocked on the M6 at half one on the way back. Bad times.
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Sitting on holiday on sat and getting txts from mates of other clubs made me realise we are a threat a again and a exciting unknown one. I not been this excited since 89 or95
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I agree with Paulie that the game at Spurs was the most depressing point of TSM's time. I also agree with Eastie that the Bolton game was the lowest point. After I had left the game I felt quite relieved and comfortable in the fact that I was convinced TSM would go as soon as the season finished. The low part was worrying which league he would leave us in.
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Well, I have to tell you, when TSM got appointed I decided not to renew my ST. Went to three away games, but none at VP that season.
As soon as PL was appointed, I signed up again and watched with growing optimism the progress from the beginning of this year.
As many have already said, if the squad can play with real intent and passion; if we can play some decent football and get a reputation for such; if the management invest in the squad with common sense and insight; then, I'll take any success that goes with all that.
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I'm looking forward to this season I think we are in for more up's than downs so I'm excited by the season and after Saturday anything is possible.
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It is very exciting, playing attacking football is the way forward. Those dark days of Mcleish look a long time ago now.
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The memory of the Spurs away game under TSM is now a distant memory. I know it was only 2-0, but was a soul less and pathetic performance, all down to the managers tactics, or lack of. We may not always get results like we did on Saturday, but it won't be for lack of trying and hunger. UTV.
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I said last season, i'd rather lose 8-0 at Chavski by trying to attack than lose 2-0 at Spurs by trying not to get battered.
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I cannot wait for the next game now. I dreaded the next game under TSM. We might we lose, but it won't be for the lack of effort or desire. That's what Lambert has instilled in this club in the space of 16 months or so.
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Young team, playing proper footy with a hunger... great stuff
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I said last season, i'd rather lose 8-0 at Chavski by trying to attack than lose 2-0 at Spurs by trying not to get battered.
couldn't agree more,
that spurs game was one of the lowest points as a supporter of Aston Villa I've had in near 40 years, it wasn't a game where we were relegated or knocked out of anything,
just seeing a pathetic group of players managed by a fella who played a midfield with Hutton and Heskey in it was unbelievable, and showed what we were all about
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Just as a bit of perspective with all this unbridled optimism. It was bleeding annoying today when the online ticketing crashed and there was a 15 minute wait when calling the box office. At one point I actually got an engaged tone....that didn't happen 2 years ago. Tsk.
It was quite fun watching the match on Saturday in Southern Spain with a chilled glassof vino rosado and a grumpy gooner at the bar though ;D
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Just as a bit of perspective with all this unbridled optimism. It was bleeding annoying today when the online ticketing crashed and there was a 15 minute wait when calling the box office. At one point I actually got an engaged tone....that didn't happen 2 years ago. Tsk.
It was quite fun watching the match on Saturday in Southern Spain with a chilled glassof vino rosado and a grumpy gooner at the bar though ;D
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These certainly are worrying times.
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Ugh, I'd managed to erase that spurs game from my memory until you lot reminded me! It was also the most subdued Villa away crowd I think I've been in.
It's early days yet but it feels like we've got our pride back. It's going to be a bumpy ride but I can see the swagger returning and I reckon there'll be more than one 'I was there' moment this season. I'll take that.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
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As for under Lambert, I got loads of stick on here last season as I kept saying I was loving following us again, even when we were not exactly firing on all cylinders. I probably enjoyed last season more than any season since 95/96. It felt like MY Aston Villa again.
I know you're more, ahem, happy-clappy than most, but to have enjoyed last season more than 96/97 and 2007/08 and arguably many others - 97/98, 98/99, 99/00, 03/04, even O'Neill's first season (where you could argue it felt like ''our Villa'' again) or 2008-2010 strikes me as a bit nuts to be honest.
The best Feb-May period since Gregory took over or in Dolly's first season, maybe.
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The football was no better first half of last season, many many dire games when we were struggling to get shots on target.
But something clicked around February and we've been a joy to watch ever since.
We're as exciting as we were under MON in 07/08 but the football is much better and we know half the goals won't be coming from set pieces.
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I agree with those advising caution but we won't get tonked 8-0 on Wednesday, 8-7 maybe :) I won't be surprised if we get brought back down to earth though. I reckon I'd have took 3 points from these first 3 games. Whatever happens we won't be going till mid September bottom of the league with no points and a huge burden of negativity.
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As Eamonn has already said, I think we'll be ok away from home generally, but when the onus is on us to break teams down at home, I think we might struggle.
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It's great to feel the excitement again, but I'm also really enjoying how non-Villa fans are now cheering us on and want us to do well. In an age of mercenaries and stupid paydays, we've got a team of young, hungry players and regardless of results, that is something to be very proud of.
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As for under Lambert, I got loads of stick on here last season as I kept saying I was loving following us again, even when we were not exactly firing on all cylinders. I probably enjoyed last season more than any season since 95/96. It felt like MY Aston Villa again.
I know you're more, ahem, happy-clappy than most, but to have enjoyed last season more than 96/97 and 2007/08 and arguably many others - 97/98, 98/99, 99/00, 03/04, even O'Neill's first season (where you could argue it felt like ''our Villa'' again) or 2008-2010 strikes me as a bit nuts to be honest.
The best Feb-May period since Gregory took over or in Dolly's first season, maybe.
There is a big difference between enjoying the Villa and being a happy clapper. I criticise plenty when there is something worth criticising ;)
It never felt like my Villa under Pubehead. It always felt like his and we were just bit parts. The main feelgood for me was because of Ellis going, not what Pubey was doing. Of course I enjoyed other seasons to varying degrees, but none since 95/96 as much as last season.
For the whole of last season I looked forward to games. I liked what we were trying to do even when it tits up. Same as i'll enjoy it this season and not be hitting the panic button everytime it doesn't work. I enjoyed it so much I did my first league aways for donkeys years.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
No.
No notes of caution, no remembering a freak result from another year, just enjoy this resurgent, young Villa side without worrying about what's around the corner.
Yes we might lose at Chelsea,but so what, we now know that they will bounce back anyway.
These are good times people, have fun!
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Yeah, if we get thrashed at Chelsea, who cares? One of the very few upsides of getting hammered so badly and then having such a terrible run last year is that we know the worst can happen to this team and yet they can turn it around. We will be fine and we go again.
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I'm just thankful that TSM failed so miserably. If he'd have kept us comfortably mid-table he'd probably still be here now, despite the awful football.
Worse still, the club would be riddled with contemptuous wankers like Collins and Warnock, and shit players like Hutton.
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Hurrah to the last three posts, and bollocks to caution.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
No.
No notes of caution, no remembering a freak result from another year, just enjoy this resurgent, young Villa side without worrying about what's around the corner.
Yes we might lose at Chelsea,but so what, we now know that they will bounce back anyway.
These are good times people, have fun!
Hence "let's not get our arses in our hands if we lose".
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I'm just thankful that TSM failed so miserably. If he'd have kept us comfortably mid-table he'd probably still be here now, despite the awful football.
Worse still, the club would be riddled with contemptuous wankers like Collins and Warnock, and shit players like Hutton.
agree,
the nightmare synario would be TSM doing rubbishly average, and they would have kept hold of him, I went to one game that season,
I know people will say support through thick and thin but I just couldn't stomach that sort of football, you knew what you were going to see before you went so there was no point, at least every game we lost was another nail in his tenure
I know its the unforgivable sin to want your team to lose, but I'l put my hands up and say I wanted him out so badly that I didn't mind especially after that Spurs game, get worse before it got better is the saying, and that was true with TSM
crackers though it seems, I quite like the guy, and have no hard feelings toward him, I would even like to think he could have some success somewhere in the championship, it was his football that was just unwatchable
anyway enough of TSM, we definitely have the right man at the helm now,
I was watching Newcastle last night and looking at that fella sissoco, who was the man we should have broken the bank for last season according to some or we would be doomed, him and Samba
Lambert stuck by his guns, and look at us now, whole different feel around the place,
i'm not expecting anything against Chelsea, but then I wasn't against Arse, but a good performance and some encouraging football would be great,
but you never know, I did have a bit of the 9/1, but only betting with their money after taking the 8/1 on saturday
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I'd lost the excitement factor about two to two and a half years into O'Neill's tenure -probably around the time of the Harewood signing- because, although results and final positions were generally good, it was apparent that the type of players being signed and the style of football being encouraged were unlikely to take us any higher. It wasn't great to watch either, at home at least. See Sunderland last season for where I think O'Neill was slowly taking us.
I revived under Le Gaffeur as he tried to play proper football, and hit rock bottom under TSM when it seemed the owners had totally lost the plot. Yes those away games at Spurs and Norwich said it all about TSM, not to mention 10 men in our own half at home to Man Yoo.
Last year was sphincter-clenching at times but it's difficult to deny it was exciting. It was high risk, putting faith in so many inexperienced players, and defensively we are still far from solid. But what I admire about Lambert is that he not only had a plan, which involved technique based, attacking football, but he had the balls and faith in his players to stick to it even when the tits were rapidly turning skywards and people like me were flapping like a banner in a hurricane. I think that belief eventually got through to the players and produced our very decent end of season run. They seem to have a bit of a swagger about them now, whereby if they are dealt a blow, they pick themselves up and twat right back. It's not the full Monty yet, but it's kind of nice to think that even if Chelsea do get 8 tonight, we'll be trying to get 9.
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We should go for it as we always do. I still think Chelsea will win comfortably, but if we get four points from the opening three games we'll have four more than I thought we'd get. And we could easily get six.
3-1 to the chavs.
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Oh and I've got ticket for Saturday which will be my first live game under Lambert. Looking forward to it.
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We should go for it as we always do. I still think Chelsea will win comfortably, but if we get four points from the opening three games we'll have four more than I thought we'd get. And we could easily get six.
3-1 to the chavs.
I would take a narrow defeat at the bridge if we beat Liverpool on Saturday but there is a great spirit in the club right now and its not beyond us to get a result at Chelsea too.
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I'd lost the excitement factor about two to two and a half years into O'Neill's tenure -probably around the time of the Harewood signing- because, although results and final positions were generally good, it was apparent that the type of players being signed and the style of football being encouraged were unlikely to take us any higher. It wasn't great to watch either, at home at least. See Sunderland last season for where I think O'Neill was slowly taking us
I agree re the football under MON, but especially at home.
I don't think he had got us anywhere near as uncreative as he has Sunderland, though, nowhere near that bad. I think that is mostly because he inherited some decent players, and threw enough money at new players to get some of his signings to work out.
That ongoing struggle to unlock teams at home when we couldn't counter attack was not a lot of fun to watch. Nor were, as you mentioned, some of the signings. Harewood, FFS.
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Didn't MON sign Harewood in the Summer after his first season? 2007? Maybe you're thinking of Heskey? But I do remember making a joke about O'Neill turning us into a big budget Leicester City that didn't go down well with some.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
No.
No notes of caution, no remembering a freak result from another year, just enjoy this resurgent, young Villa side without worrying about what's around the corner.
Yes we might lose at Chelsea,but so what, we now know that they will bounce back anyway.
These are good times people, have fun!
It wasn't a freak result. It was poor managemnt as many said when it happened. At 3-0 or 4-0 he should of realised that conceding more could potentially put us in danger on GD and tried to be more defensive (nothing wrong with being defensive at times).
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I'd lost the excitement factor about two to two and a half years into O'Neill's tenure -probably around the time of the Harewood signing- because, although results and final positions were generally good, it was apparent that the type of players being signed and the style of football being encouraged were unlikely to take us any higher. It wasn't great to watch either, at home at least. See Sunderland last season for where I think O'Neill was slowly taking us
I agree re the football under MON, but especially at home.
I don't think he had got us anywhere near as uncreative as he has Sunderland, though, nowhere near that bad. I think that is mostly because he inherited some decent players, and threw enough money at new players to get some of his signings to work out.
That ongoing struggle to unlock teams at home when we couldn't counter attack was not a lot of fun to watch. Nor were, as you mentioned, some of the signings. Harewood, FFS.
For all his media popularity, MON is a lazy manager. He gets by by doing as little work as possible - on the training ground, on tactics, on scouting, on studying the opposition - and wings it by being inspirational on matchdays (which is, to be fair to him, unteachable). It worked for a while but he was utterly exposed towards the end - and as you say Paulie, the football was especially poor at home.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
No.
No notes of caution, no remembering a freak result from another year, just enjoy this resurgent, young Villa side without worrying about what's around the corner.
Yes we might lose at Chelsea,but so what, we now know that they will bounce back anyway.
These are good times people, have fun!
It wasn't a freak result. It was poor managemnt as many said when it happened. At 3-0 or 4-0 he should of realised that conceding more could potentially put us in danger on GD and tried to be more defensive (nothing wrong with being defensive at times).
It was also followed by 4-0 to Spurs and a 3-0 defeat at home to Wigan.
The hangover from that result was massive for us, and went far beyond the zero points and 8 goals added to the goal difference, it wrecked our confidence for a while, i thought.
We've improved a lot, but I suspect we're going to get a few iffy results and be very up and down this season again. It's certainly not going to be boring.
I don't think it is a symptom of not enjoying the way we play at the moment to be hoping we don't get on their backs if - if - we get a poor result.
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Totally agree Paulie. Was just making the point about the lasting effect the result had which could of been nullified if we'd been more sensible and cautious at the time. I do enjoy watching this team. Still very raw but very exciting also.
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Let's not forget one thing, though.
Last season we went to Liverpool and won 3-1 and got lots of plaudits. Then the next week we went to Chelsea, lost 8-0 and started on that terrible run.
I am not suggesting anything so hideous is going to happen again, just a note of caution, really, that this is going to be a really difficult fixture, and let's not all get our arses in our hands if we lose it.
No.
No notes of caution, no remembering a freak result from another year, just enjoy this resurgent, young Villa side without worrying about what's around the corner.
Yes we might lose at Chelsea,but so what, we now know that they will bounce back anyway.
These are good times people, have fun!
It wasn't a freak result. It was poor managemnt as many said when it happened. At 3-0 or 4-0 he should of realised that conceding more could potentially put us in danger on GD and tried to be more defensive (nothing wrong with being defensive at times).
It might not have been a freak result but it was a freak scoreline. How often, even when playing really badly, have you seen us lose 8-0? I don't think we'll see it anything quite like that again but I can see a few heavy defeats along the way. It's the risk you take by trying to be more adventurous.
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8-0 was embarassing, but it's a symptom of the fact Lambert does not do defensive sides, which is fine by me. The confidence hit it gave us was great and should never be underestimated in terms of our season in 12/13. However, the way he kept faith with the same players and attacking philosophy during those dark times is why we find ourselves where we are now.
It was a bump in the road, but we stayed on track.
We might lose heavily again tomorrow night, but so be it. I'd rather that than we try to derail what's being built by consulting the McLeish book of football tactics.
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Before the defeat we were starting to put a bit of an unbeaten run togerther (5 games). We then went on a runn of 8 games with out a win. Which I put down to confidence following getting battered at Chelsea. Like I said, I like the attacking style. But at times, attacking at all costs nearly screwed us over last season.
Liverpool 1 - 3 Aston Villa
Chelsea 8 – 0 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 4 Tottenham Hotspur
Aston Villa 0 – 3 Wigan Athletic
Swansea City 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 1 Southampton
West Bromwich Albion 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 1 – 2 Newcastle United
Everton 3 – 3 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2 – 1 West Ham United
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I can't see us being run over again like last season, our record against Jose is pretty good, however our record against Chelsea is very poor. i can see us getting a draw here, our confidence is flying and our midfield is now starting to look quality. can't see us being bullied like we was last year!
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Before the defeat we were starting to put a bit of an unbeaten run togerther (5 games). We then went on a runn of 8 games with out a win. Which I put down to confidence following getting battered at Chelsea. Like I said, I like the attacking style. But at times, attacking at all costs nearly screwed us over last season.
Liverpool 1 - 3 Aston Villa
Chelsea 8 – 0 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 4 Tottenham Hotspur
Aston Villa 0 – 3 Wigan Athletic
Swansea City 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 1 Southampton
West Bromwich Albion 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 1 – 2 Newcastle United
Everton 3 – 3 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2 – 1 West Ham United
Yes, but attack at all costs is what won us the games we needed to win.
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Before the defeat we were starting to put a bit of an unbeaten run togerther (5 games). We then went on a runn of 8 games with out a win. Which I put down to confidence following getting battered at Chelsea. Like I said, I like the attacking style. But at times, attacking at all costs nearly screwed us over last season.
Liverpool 1 - 3 Aston Villa
Chelsea 8 – 0 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 4 Tottenham Hotspur
Aston Villa 0 – 3 Wigan Athletic
Swansea City 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 1 Southampton
West Bromwich Albion 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 1 – 2 Newcastle United
Everton 3 – 3 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2 – 1 West Ham United
Half Time at the Newcastle game is what is described as "The Turning Point" isn't it? We were 2-0 down at the time?
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our record against Jose is pretty good, however our record against Chelsea is very poor.
I have read this 3 times and am still confused by it!
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Before the defeat we were starting to put a bit of an unbeaten run togerther (5 games). We then went on a runn of 8 games with out a win. Which I put down to confidence following getting battered at Chelsea. Like I said, I like the attacking style. But at times, attacking at all costs nearly screwed us over last season.
Liverpool 1 - 3 Aston Villa
Chelsea 8 – 0 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 4 Tottenham Hotspur
Aston Villa 0 – 3 Wigan Athletic
Swansea City 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 0 – 1 Southampton
West Bromwich Albion 2 – 2 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 1 – 2 Newcastle United
Everton 3 – 3 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2 – 1 West Ham United
you can break that into a number of sections. Chelsea hammered our confidence followed swiftly by batterings against Wigan and Spurs. Then we go to Swansea and somehow don't get battered and in fact are seconds away from pulling off an unlikely win. But then just as the ref is about to call time a boot catches us squarely in the nuts and it's 2-2. Southampton at home was horrible, yet somehow we come back to play really well in the first half against the Baggies and once again throw it away. Something then happened against Newcastle. It was all going to shit in the first half but we came out in the second nearly turned it all around, but importantly started to believe that we could play in a manner that would create numerous chances. Our season thereafter while not perfect improved markedly.
The Chelsea game had a damaging affect but I would argue not to the extent of all of those games. There were events subsequently that could have turned things around faster but we found ways to prolong the agony. Tomorrow the performance more than the result will teach us how far we have come. The previous result will be plastered everywhere as a reminder so our boys need to be strong in the face of all that will be thrown at them tomorrow.
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our record against Jose is pretty good, however our record against Chelsea is very poor.
I have read this 3 times and am still confused by it!
it's close but
with Jose: 6 premiership games have produced 4 draws and 2 wins for Chelsea
last 6 games without: 6 premiership games have produced 1 win, 1 dray and 4 losses including a 8-0 and just before the 6 games a 7-1 loss for examples.
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our record against Jose is pretty good, however our record against Chelsea is very poor.
I have read this 3 times and am still confused by it!
it's close but
with Jose: 6 premiership games have produced 4 draws and 2 wins for Chelsea
last 6 games without: 6 premiership games have produced 1 win, 1 dray and 4 losses including a 8-0 and just before the 6 games a 7-1 loss for examples.
I thought we beat Chelsea with Jose in charge not long before he went when doug famously shook hands with an unhappy avramovich ?
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Who was manager at the time of the HDE/Abramovich moment?
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I meant for Chav$ki.
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Who was manager at the time of the HDE/Abramovich moment?
that was Avram Grant haha
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As I thought it was Mourinho who was the manager , he left Chelsea 3 weeks later.
We beat Chelsea on sept 2nd - Jose departed on sept 20 th .
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As I thought it was Mourinho who was the manager , he left Chelsea 3 weeks later.
We beat Chelsea on sept 2nd - Jose departed on sept 20 th .
i think you was right! another good result against Mourinho then lol
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Who was manager at the time of the HDE/Abramovich moment?
that was Avram Grant haha
Are you sure..?
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our record against Jose is pretty good, however our record against Chelsea is very poor.
I have read this 3 times and am still confused by it!
ok updated...
it's close but
with Jose: 6 premiership games have produced 1 win 4 draws and 1 chelsea win.
last 6 games without: 6 premiership games have produced 1 win, 1 draw and 4 losses including a 8-0 and just before the 6 games a 7-1 loss for examples.
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We only lost once to Mourinho? Plus the League Cup game when everyone loved Randy.
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Who was manager at the time of the HDE/Abramovich moment?
that was Avram Grant haha
Are you sure..?
I thought it was Mourinho, one of his last games.
That clip is one of the funniest football moments in years.
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Our full record vs Mourinho
2004/5
H) D 0-0
A) L 0-1
2005/6
A) L 1-2
H) D 1-1
2006/7
A) D 1-1
A) L 0-4 (LC)
H) D 0-0
2007/8
H) W 2-0
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Our full record vs Mourinho
2004/5
H) D 0-0
A) L 0-1
2005/6
A) L 1-2
H) D 1-1
2006/7
A) D 1-1
A) L 0-4 (LC)
H) D 0-0
2007/8
H) W 2-0
so take off the league cup and it's 1 win, 2 losses and 4 draws, not bad against the best team in England at that time.
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Who was manager at the time of the HDE/Abramovich moment?
that was Avram Grant haha
Are you sure..?
It was Mourinho for sure. We did them 2-0 Knight and Gabby. The picture of the miserable one was perfect. Like somebody took a shit in his morning tea. The HDE/Russian mobster encounter is an all time classic
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From Wiki
The team lost at Aston Villa and followed this with a goalless draw at home to Blackburn Rovers. Their opening game in the UEFA Champions League saw them only manage a 1–1 home draw against the Norwegian team Rosenborg BK in front of an almost half-empty stadium. Shevchenko scored Chelsea's only goal in that match.
Mourinho unexpectedly left Chelsea on 20 September 2007 "by mutual consent," although there had been a series of disagreements with chairman Roman Abramovich.
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Avram was in charge for the 4-4 at Stamford that season.