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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: olaftab on July 31, 2013, 08:24:31 PM
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Is it time to stop?
For me yes. Stan is on recovery now and hopefully will go on getting better. Fans have been brilliant home and away. A gesture that was also universally admired by other fans throughout the country. However we must not dilute that effort by carrying on with it past it's sell by date. What does everyone think?
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Stop. But I think the only way it will stop is if Stan says something.
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Time to stop I think
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Stop
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Nice shots of Stan in with the Villa fans tonight.
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Stop. But I think the only way it will stop is if Stan says something.
Yep, that's the only way that this will come to an acceptable conclusion.
Maybe you could get a message to Stan thro' the club to ask his opinion.
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Stop now and hold it in abeyance and hopefully it will never need to be resurrected. What is a wonderful original tribute to a well liked and respected player of ours could be in danger of becoming tedious. Not to us perhaps but the less discerning football public.
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Stop. But I think the only way it will stop is if Stan says something.
Yep, that's the only way that this will come to an acceptable conclusion.
Maybe you could get a message to Stan thro' the club to ask his opinion.
They have no idea I started it though as I always avoided many knowing it was me irl. So i'd just be some random bloke phoning up saying i'd started it.
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I think it should be stopped now, but we should ask Petrov if he want it to be carried or deceased and let the world know.
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hasn't this been mentioned before?
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They have no idea I started it though as I always avoided many knowing it was me irl. So i'd just be some random bloke phoning up saying i'd started it.
Maybe the Head Dave should be the one to ask ?
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According to one post Petrov is there standing with the fans today. Funny, I wonder of he joined in the applause? :)
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Definitely time to stop. Retiring the shirt is sufficient for this season.
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stop now. It will get diluted if it carries on
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Its reached the end for me now. It was brilliant, fantastic tribute to Stan but its time to move on now.
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Definitely time to stop. Retiring the shirt is sufficient for this season.
This.
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A fantastic show of support but agree with others, to continue would dilute it.
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Definitely time to stop. Retiring the shirt is sufficient for this season.
This.
Stan could be brought onto the field before the Malaga game, presented with a framed #19 shirt and a display put up on the screen's saying that the applause can now stop.
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It probably is time to let it go. That said, when Vlaar strolled up to smash a free kick on the 19th minute, I did have my fingers crossed it rocketed in the net. Sadly it didn't.
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finish it - now serves no value.
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hopefully the club won't sow the Stan 19 thing on the screen(s) next season.Also, a message from Stan in the programme. Then, if any one does applaud- don't join in.
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Stan should come out with a statement in the programme and on tut webbernet saying it is over.
He should then request that if people feel inclined then the villa fans should sing "the bells are ringing for claret and blue" [insert positive song] on the 19th minutes.
It'd be a very handy way of creating an anthem. The words could be printed in the programme (and on here) in order to get everyone aware. People would still feel an obligation to get involved so it could become part of our culture.
Bring it on.
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I think most will carry on the applause regardless. If you don't join in you face the prospect of having morons getting angry at you and shouting "no respect" or some such drivel. It'll be less hassle just to join in so most will. Only an official announcement will stop it I reckon.
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I like to see the end of it, but as others have said nothing will change until Petrov says something either way.
Sounds like he's in remission now and he definitely looks very healthy at the moment, and I know from experience that the constant reminder from people (however well intentioned) that you have cancer gets a bit under the skin, so it really should end in my opinion. Petrov knows how highly we think of him.
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If you don't join in you face the prospect of having morons getting angry at you and shouting "no respect" or some such drivel.
Agreed. Hence why I think it is an opportunity for the club to turn people's passion/good will/sheep tendencies/fear into something positive.
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I think it will carry on at away games. Not sure if the club at home games will put his picture on the screens on 19 mins ??
The fans certainly away seem to want to continue so why stop it. It makes people feel united and I see it as only a positive.
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I think it will carry on at away games. Not sure if the club at home games will put his picture on the screens on 19 mins ??
The fans certainly away seem to want to continue so why stop it. It makes people feel united and I see it as only a positive.
Exactly, there is a consciousness amongst the fans on the 19th minute so we should capitalise on that. But change it something more lasting and positive.
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I would carry it on.
Makes no sense to have one tribute (retiring #19) and to tell fans to forget the other (applause).
I suspect most fans wanting it to end is its associated with the "no respect" chant.
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It can't go on forever and now seems like a good time to end it.
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Really can't see it stopping at away games. The vibe tonight on the 19th minute was really strong. There were no silly "no respect" songs after either. Can't see it stopping anytime soon at away games as the momentum to continue is there.
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Stop. But I think the only way it will stop is if Stan says something.
I'm with PWS. Let Stan come out and tell how the applause helped him through his illness but now he's back at work it's time to stop. Something like that anyway.
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I suspect most fans wanting it to end is its associated with the "no respect" chant.
I very much doubt that.
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just sing his name in the 19th minute ?
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It all feels a bit Princess Diana to me now I'm afraid.
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As I've said before, I feel it has ran its course. We should stop it so long as it is what Stan wants.
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As I've said before, I feel it has ran its course. We should stop it so long as it is what Stan wants.
Agreed, hit the nail on the head there.
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It all feels a bit Princess Diana to me now I'm afraid.
I can see that if you're not at the game. If you're actually there it has a different feel.
Maybe Stan sitting with us tonight was a subtle way of him saying im ok now, time to move on ? Who knows. Is there a psychologist in the house
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just sing his name in the 19th minute ?
Great shout.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
I don't expect fans of other clubs to do it, unless they want to. Same goes for our fans that feel it has run its cause. I'm going to continue doing it I think.
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I think the general conscensus is that it's time to end it now, but others will insist on doing it to death. I didn't clap tonight & I won't clap in future.
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If nothing else, I hope that if we clap at away games, we don't get a return of the 'no respect' shite that we got last year. Unless of course it's at the Whorethorns.
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Tonight I noticed a few people started some half hearted clapping and then people felt obliged to join in. I really hope it stops now Its cringable now Stans better
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just sing his name in the 19th minute ?
Much better idea.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
Partly I think it's because Stan has entered remission and is now back at the club performing a coaching role. I know there's a chance the illness will return but it just seems wrong to do that now that he has recovered to that extent. It's odd sometimes. I remember being at our game against Reading last year and Bennett goes down and has to be stretchered off. As his injury happened in the nineteenth minute we were all clapping which seemed weird. Of course, if Stan wants it to continue I'd happily see that happen.
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I think it has run its course.
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If it carries on without the full support then it will get embarrassing, it has been a fantastic show of support for Stan from all Villans but a half hearted effort will sound like we no longer care.
We do of course but Stan is going great and in remission and I'm sure he probably feels it's time to finish it but doesn't want to cause us any offence.
I agree with singing Stan's name in the 19th minute though as this is something that Villa fans can do without expecting the opposition fans to join in.
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If it continues much longer, what started as a great show of support runs the risk of becoming annoying in a "You'll Never Walk Alone" type way.
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Thins is at some point it will stop. in 20 years we won't be doing it so we have to get to the transition period at some point. may as well be now otherwise it will be cheapened as less and less people will applaud and it will become half-hearted, which it wasn't last season, and shouldn't ever be.
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Stan was at Walsall last night just a few seats from me.
I was not going to join in but he was so close I felt it would not be right to join in.
I know it brought tears to his eyes.
but it was fantastic having Stan sitting with the ordinary fans when ho could have sat in the posh seats. GOOD ONE STAN
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just sing his name in the 19th minute ?
Perfect..lets just do it from the next game
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Stop. But I think the only way it will stop is if Stan says something.
Yep, that's the only way that this will come to an acceptable conclusion.
Maybe you could get a message to Stan thro' the club to ask his opinion.
They have no idea I started it though as I always avoided many knowing it was me irl. So i'd just be some random bloke phoning up saying i'd started it.
They know exactly where it originated from. I agree that it is time to stop now.
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I agree that it's run it's course now. Was a fantastic gesture, and I'm sure Stan really appreciated it, but he's back working for the club, and (fingers crossed) over the worse of it, so let's call it a day now.
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Stan went through a rigorous training session himself today according to his twitter
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We will all have our own opinions on this but the worst possible scenario is potential friction between those insisting it should continue and those saying it should stop. If it was me in his position I'd suggest one more big show of support, but not for myself but for all those affected by cancer in all of its forms; that's sufferers, families and carers and then bring it to a dignified halt.
It's been an inspirational demonstration from Villa fans, it's made me proud and tearful in equal amounts, and I hope that we can show the same dignity in drawing a line under it.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
I don't expect fans of other clubs to do it, unless they want to. Same goes for our fans that feel it has run its cause. I'm going to continue doing it I think.
Have to say I agree. If you don't feel it's appropriate to do it don't, don't wait for the committee to come back and tell you what to do. We're talking about 60 seconds of a week in our lives.
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If it was me in his position I'd suggest one more big show of support, but not for myself but for all those affected by cancer in all of its forms; that's sufferers, families and carers and then bring it to a dignified halt.
What a wonderful idea, Chris.
Hopefully with Stan now with his Foundation, more fans will become aware and support the great work done by so many.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
I don't expect fans of other clubs to do it, unless they want to. Same goes for our fans that feel it has run its cause. I'm going to continue doing it I think.
Have to say I agree. If you don't feel it's appropriate to do it don't, don't wait for the committee to come back and tell you what to do. We're talking about 60 seconds of a week in our lives.
That's just the point. Nobody wants it to fade away and be half-arsed. Better to end it at the top.
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I totally agree with Dave. Also, it has to end sometime and personally now seems the right time.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
I don't expect fans of other clubs to do it, unless they want to. Same goes for our fans that feel it has run its cause. I'm going to continue doing it I think.
Have to say I agree. If you don't feel it's appropriate to do it don't, don't wait for the committee to come back and tell you what to do. We're talking about 60 seconds of a week in our lives.
That's just the point. Nobody wants it to fade away and be half-arsed. Better to end it at the top.
Plus you just know the morons that carry it on will follow it up with a rendition of 'no respect' and it will get very shameful for all concerned.
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Dunno about this one, i can see both arguments, but the fellas not undergone some miracle cure so on the basis of that i say carry on.
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I agree with stopping. Unless the club were to change the graphics around the ground to supporting Stan's Leukemia foundation, I'd keep clapping for that.
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Ask Stan.
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It's great at home, but often embarrassing away. Unfortunately, that's down to a few idiots. That said, the reaction from Albion and Stoke fans were downright spiteful and I'm glad we didn't have a SHA fixture to deal with.
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Stop is my view.
And if it does carry on can those who don't wish to participate (Villa or other fans) not be told they are not showing respect.
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How would we feel now if, say Andy Blair, had some illness in the 80s and we were still giving him a minute's applause now? It would become pretty meaningless and pointless. The Stan applause has to stop sometime- for those who want to continue when would be an acceptable time to stop for you?
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Stop.
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Stop.
You are Sam Brown and I claim my £5.
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Why do people want it to stop so much? I'm just curious at what harm people think it does. Why don't people who want to applaud, do so, and those that don't erm don't.
I'm not having a go, but I've just read 3 pages of people saying "stop" and I haven't really heard why.
I don't expect fans of other clubs to do it, unless they want to. Same goes for our fans that feel it has run its cause. I'm going to continue doing it I think.
Have to say I agree. If you don't feel it's appropriate to do it don't, don't wait for the committee to come back and tell you what to do. We're talking about 60 seconds of a week in our lives.
That's just the point. Nobody wants it to fade away and be half-arsed. Better to end it at the top.
Plus you just know the morons that carry it on will follow it up with a rendition of 'no respect' and it will get very shameful for all concerned.
So if I continue to clap, I'm a moron?
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I assume Adam meant the "no respect" brigade as the morons, rather than just anyone who carries on.
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Oh. In that case I agree.
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This is why it should stop, before it degenerates into an unseemly mess of half the crowd clapping followed by a pathetic chorus of "no respect" and the inevitable arguments among fellow Villa fans that will ensue, that's going to sound really respectful isn't it?
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Needs to stop, started to get annoying towards the end of the season and as mentioned people are going to get fed up of being accused of not being a 'proper' fan if they don't join in. He's well and truly alive so time to move on otherwise it sounds like it's an obituary type thing.
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Needs to stop, started to get annoying towards the end of the season and as mentioned people are going to get fed up of being accused of not being a 'proper' fan if they don't join in. He's well and truly alive so time to move on otherwise it sounds like it's an obituary type thing.
Agreed. I dislike the idea that those who continue to clap berating those who choose not to. There might be good reasons why, and it's no business of those who like to feel they're better supporters because they've chosen to continue the applause to criticise those who've stopped.
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The tw*t I sat next to last season was terrible for that. Incoherent ramblings and gestures aimed at sections of the crowd. I hope he has relocated this season.
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This is why it should stop, before it degenerates into an unseemly mess of half the crowd clapping followed by a pathetic chorus of "no respect" and the inevitable arguments among fellow Villa fans that will ensue, that's going to sound really respectful isn't it?
This. Clap all you want, that doesn't bother me, but if I keep hearing 'no respect' I think it will grate on me pretty quickly.
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It should stop but Stan is going to need to ask for it. I can see lots of silly squabbles over this otherwise.
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This is why it should stop, before it degenerates into an unseemly mess of half the crowd clapping followed by a pathetic chorus of "no respect" and the inevitable arguments among fellow Villa fans that will ensue, that's going to sound really respectful isn't it?
This. Clap all you want, that doesn't bother me, but if I keep hearing 'no respect' I think it will grate on me pretty quickly.
Yep, and it'll look pretty farcical, too, some clapping, some not clapping and so on. The club needs to consult with Stan and communicate something to the supporters before the season starts.
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Im thinking of Stan outside the 19th minute of a game. If the club makes it a "thing" i would respect it and clap. As for people that dont, Im not that bothered about them, its a personal decision
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I guess if the club didn't flash the support stan graphic on the screen then it would come to an organic end - people will either clap or not (through personal choice) and it will either continue to be widely supported or it will come to a natural end. I can imagine a rousing "one stiliyan petrov" chant on the 19th minute carrying on for a while without a full minutes applause.
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
Last night at the Fans Forum
He also said the request needed to come from Stan so wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'statement' in the next few days
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
Last night at the Fans Forum
He also said the request needed to come from Stan so wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'statement' in the next few days
Thanks, mj.
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
Last night at the Fans Forum
He also said the request needed to come from Stan so wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'statement' in the next few days
To clarify, is that you wouldn't be surprised, or him?
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Needs to stop, else its just doing it for doing its sake.
It went on too long last season IMO.
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Under review and the final decision will be made by Stan.
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Under review and the final decision will be made by Stan.
It won't be on the screens this season. There's no plan yet for him to say anything publicly.
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
Last night at the Fans Forum
He also said the request needed to come from Stan so wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'statement' in the next few days
To clarify, is that you wouldn't be surprised, or him?
Just my personal opinion
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When did Lambert say this?
'It's phenomenal but there needs to be a point now where it stops. Stan has won.'
Last night at the Fans Forum
He also said the request needed to come from Stan so wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'statement' in the next few days
To clarify, is that you wouldn't be surprised, or him?
Just my personal opinion
Thanks.
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From the Mirror.
Stiliyan Petrov rates his struggle with leukaemia as being “worse than hell” and says retirement is the least of his worries.
His former Aston Villa team-mates are putting the final touches to their preparations for the Premier League campaign.
But Petrov, 34, is simply grateful to be alive, with his illness in remission after intensive chemotheraphy.
His worries are not yet over as he still has two more years of less gruelling treatment to endure.
But Petrov has proved a stoic character under the strain and his fortitude serves as an inspirational tale on the eve of the season.
He remains in the game, having taken on a new role at Villa after announcing his retirement in May following the devastating diagnosis in March last year.
The ex-Bulgaria midfielder, and Villa captain, was kept on by boss Paul Lambert in a coaching role to help mentor youngsters after his playing deal expired.
Petrov is enjoying the challenge of his new role at the Midlands club, but primarily loves spending quality time with his wife Paulina and sons Kristiyan and Stiliyan junior after his horrendous experience.
He told Mirror Sport: “I don’t know what Hell is like, but this has to be worse, I tell you that.
“It has been very tough but we never give up as a family, you can’t.
“There were a lot of questions going through our heads through all this period but we hope all the treatments are still going the right way and that is the main thing.
“I married the right woman and have two incredible kids, they have been wonderful, and my parents too.
“The strength and support they give me through these months has been amazing. They have pushed me to the limit because they knew I needed to fight.
“As a player you fight to be in the team but this you are fighting for your life and that is the main thing.
“My wife knew that, so she was pushing me as well.
“Through this period I knew I needed to have enough strength. Sometimes with the chemotherapy you change your appetite.
“My taste completely changed but I knew I needed to eat and take fluids and be disciplined.
“If I was too tired and couldn’t do anything, she was feeding me.
“Now I wake up every morning happy to see my family.
“I am trying to get a little fitter and back to normal to what I used to do but these things take time – I have two years left on the tablets.”
Petrov has received phenomenal support from Villa and their fans, Scottish champions Celtic - the club he left for Villa - and his Bulgarian countrymen since the blood disorder was diagnosed.
He complained of feeling ill at Arsenal two seasons ago, when he played 90 minutes under former boss Alex McLeish in a 3-0 loss.
It was dismissed as just flu, but blood tests revealed the devastating reality.
The hammer-blow realistically meant Petrov’s retirement was inevitable.
But he added: “Some of the boys were saying I was getting slow and needed to retire!
“It is tough, I wanted to become a footballer and worked so hard.
“To give up was really hard for me but it is a bigger prize here to fight for your life to be closer to your family for longer so I had no choice.”
Petrov is now passing his experience, mental strength, shrewd advice and admirable character traits on to Villa’s next generation working alongside development coach Gordan Cowans.
And he is quick to thank Lambert - who was a team-mate at Celtic - for his support.
Petrov, who has set-up a foundation to help those affected by Leukaemia, said: “I am working for Villa now and go in every day to see the boys.
“It is going to be a exciting season with a young, exciting first team.
“I am working with the reserve team and Sid Cowans. We try to make them ready to make the big step into the first team.
“At this age there are lot of ifs - if they can make it - but I want to help in this way and Paul Lambert who is my boss now.
“He is an incredible man who supported me so much.”
In return, Petrov also advised Lambert on potential first team signings, such as fellow Bulgarian Aleksandar Tonev - a 23-year-old winger who joined this summer.
He said: “Tonev is really exciting and I recommended him. Villa had a look for a couple of months and they have signed him.
“I think the fans will fall in love with him the way he plays. He plays with his heart and works for the team. He is two-footed and has something to offer to this team.
“I am very happy there is still hopefully a Bulgarian in the team but it is the manager’s decision.”
Villa fans would, of course, prefer to still see a fit-again Petrov back in the side, pulling the strings in midfield.
Those days are over, but the likeable Petrov is still clearly making an impact at the club. And long may that continue.
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I wont be applauding today. If there are charity buckets for his cause outside the ground I'll throw in a couple of quid but I think it would be sad if Stan had to come out and say stop it now. It sullies the whole gesture in the first place. I emplore everyone on here to stop as well.
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The vast majority where I sit, rose and applauded today. And by the sound around the ground I think the vast majority did.
Unfortunately.
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It started very quietly but eventually after 20-30 secs most people clapped. I did not & will not, as I think it's run it course. Stan's won his battle, he's back & doesn't need reminding of this every week.
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The vast majority where I sit, rose and applauded today. And by the sound around the ground I think the vast majority did.
Unfortunately.
I tried not to at the start but everyone else around me did, so I joined in as well. Anything for an easy life.
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It started very quietly but eventually after 20-30 secs most people clapped. I did not & will not, as I think it's run it course. Stan's won his battle, he's back & doesn't need reminding of this every week.
He's in remission but he's still receiving treatment, it will be a few years yet before he can say he's won his battle, unfortunately.
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It started very quietly but eventually after 20-30 secs most people clapped. I did not & will not, as I think it's run it course. Stan's won his battle, he's back & doesn't need reminding of this every week.
He's in remission but he's still receiving treatment, it will be a few years yet before he can say he's won his battle, unfortunately.
He hasn't won his battle yet but he's getting there. I agree, he doesn't need reminding of it every single match.
It's time to stop!
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It started very quietly but eventually after 20-30 secs most people clapped. I did not & will not, as I think it's run it course. Stan's won his battle, he's back & doesn't need reminding of this every week.
Yes eventually most people joined in however there were some big differences from last season. Where as last season it was 100% and almost instant at the start of the 19th today people sort of joined in as the thing to do because others around them were doing it. More to the point not everyone stood up and a significant minority did not join in. It will be a shame if it did not end now and petered out over the season.
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Pretty much everyone around me in the upper north did, I decided not to though. I really do think the gesture has been made and the fact that it was no longer on the big screen is an indication the club think the same.
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I didn't stand today, nor did I clap. That doesn't mean I don't wish Stan a full recovery though. I did get a few comments and disapproving looks for not joining in though.
It very much reminds me of a thing that used to happen a number of seasons ago, when if you refused to stand when the song "stand up if you hate the blues" was being sung ad nauseam, your devotion to the Villa was questioned.
Give me strength.
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A few around me didn't join in. I hesitated for a second but joined in as I think this could well have been the last one. Because of that it was doubly disappointing that we scored 13 seconds after the 19th minute ended.
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Well my thoughts the applauding needs to stop ! but what about we can try and get the whole crowd singing a song for the team on the 19th minute , just the Villa Villa Villaaa
OR some other suggestion , its still poignant and Encourages the team and the supporters ,
there is a fitting legacy
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Its getting tothe point where I don't want us to score in the 19th minute. It'll never bloody stop then.
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Did the club put anything up on the screens in the 19th, yesterday? - if they can resist doing that, it may dry up. If the club continue to support it (as Jack W**dwank is doing in his commentary) then it'll carry on.
I think 16 months of it is enough, personally.
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No they didn't.
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Pretty much everyone around me in the upper north did, I decided not to though. I really do think the gesture has been made and the fact that it was no longer on the big screen is an indication the club think the same.
Same here. However, it did lead to Luna's corner and Vlaar's headed goal. Could we change its purpose to reminding the team that scoring from corners is possible?
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Had no intention of doing the 19th minute yesterday, and only joined in with the applause eventually because I felt obliged to.
I agree with the sentiment that once the battle is won, the sympathy has to end.
As a suggestion, why not make the 19th league fixture this season the official last ever ovation?
Would give a few months for word to get around and could be made a special day with banners etc and perhaps Stan could address the crowd at half time if he wanted.
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If the club aren't putting Stan's pic up on the screens then I think it will gradually fizzle out. I might use the 19th minute for a toilet break for the next few weeks to avoid any potential "politics" around joining in or not.
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I stood up slowly as everyone around me on the Lower Holte was standing. I then missed the goal as the guy in front of me was still standing as I sat down.
As others have said, it was a fine and moving gesture of support at the time, appreciated by Stan and, for the most part, respected by the opposing fans. At Anfield, for example, most of the stadium was standing and applauding, and at the Etihad they even had a picture of Stan on the screen. But we don't want this noble response to Stan's illness to become an embarrassment and I think that the start of the new season is the appropriate time to end the 19th-minute applause.
What concerns me, however, is that some of our fans will continue use the 19th minute as an excuse to taunt the opposition support with "No respect m'lord" when they don't join in. You'll always get the chants of "Empty seats" and "Sh*t support", but to drag Stan's illness into it is unjustified and embarrassing.
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Got sent a clip of the AVTV coverage after I got back last night from my mate in the States. Jack Deadwood goes off on a eulogy about how magnificent the Villa fans are - how amazing the 19th minute thing is - how everyone at the club loves it - etc etc.
I am not a JW hater. He may well be clueless - devoid of self awareness - and doing a bad Jim Rosenthal impression - but he can also be funny. He is the comedy element of Villa's media team - whether he knows it or not. But we need to send a message to the media muppets at the club that this is now getting mawkish. Woodward needs a bollocking.
A clear and unambiguous message needs to come out - probably from Stan himself - thanks - but time to stop now.
Stan is on the mend thank god and Villa are on the up. We don't need to applaud in the 19th minute to feel we are special because - we are special.
Lets start looking forward to standing and applauding in the 90th minute instead.
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As I said last night, the vast majority around me got up for it straight away. Most of them were people who do not regularly sit in the area and some were, I think, an American youth football team.
I honestly do not think this will stop unless Stan comes out with a thank you message to supporters requesting it be stopped.
Oh and I also missed Vlaars goal I as was sat down and those in front had remained standing whilst we took the corner!!
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We could ask Stan to change his squad number to 91?
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Had no intention of doing the 19th minute yesterday, and only joined in with the applause eventually because I felt obliged to.
I agree with the sentiment that once the battle is won, the sympathy has to end.
As a suggestion, why not make the 19th league fixture this season the official last ever ovation?
Would give a few months for word to get around and could be made a special day with banners etc and perhaps Stan could address the crowd at half time if he wanted.
Sorry to keep labouring the point but the battle isn't won, in football terms he's 1-0 up at half time. He's in remission, which means that there is currently no evidence of it showing up on his tests, whether that is temporary or permanent only time will tell.
It's a big step for him but we have to get away from the idea that it is all plain sailing from now on. Every time he gets so much as a headache he'll go through the process of wondering whether it's a sign of it returning.
That said, I agree with the sentiment that the 19th minute thing has run its course but don't think you can tell people they have to stop it.
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If the club aren't putting Stan's pic up on the screens then I think it will gradually fizzle out. I might use the 19th minute for a toilet break for the next few weeks to avoid any potential "politics" around joining in or not.
The play does not stop and yesterday you would have missed a goal in such a toilet break. Do you need support applause for a bladder weakness?
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I think we should all have those Petrov masks on. Permanently. For every game.
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Had no intention of doing the 19th minute yesterday, and only joined in with the applause eventually because I felt obliged to.
I agree with the sentiment that once the battle is won, the sympathy has to end.
As a suggestion, why not make the 19th league fixture this season the official last ever ovation?
Would give a few months for word to get around and could be made a special day with banners etc and perhaps Stan could address the crowd at half time if he wanted.
Sympathy has to end? Bit harsh I would say. He'd probably still be a Premier League player if he hadn't gotten ill. And I would see it as a mark of respect rather than one of sympathy. And as Chris has pointed out his Leukemia is in remission but I'm sure his doctors won't be telling him the "battle is won".
I accept that some people might think it is a bit naff or whatever but the 19th minute clap is an organic thing and it will stop when the majority of people at games think it has run it's course, not because some people are uncomfortable with public displays of emotion ;)
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Well ok, maybe 'sympathy' isn't quite the right word, but you know what I mean.
And yes, Chris, I also know where you are coming from in saying that once you are diagnosed, you will always live in fear of a relapse (believe me, I really know) but at the same time, the suggestion was that the applause would remind him of his suffering at a time when he should be looking forward optimistically.
It's only my two bobs worth, but surely the true mark of respect would be to stop if the man himself requests it?
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Well ok, maybe 'sympathy' isn't quite the right word, but you know what I mean.
And yes, Chris, I also know where you are coming from in saying that once you are diagnosed, you will always live in fear of a relapse (believe me, I really know) but at the same time, the suggestion was that the applause would remind him of his suffering at a time when he should be looking forward optimistically.
It's only my two bobs worth, but surely the true mark of respect would be to stop if the man himself requests it?
I pretty much agree, I'd like it to come to a dignified end, it's served it's purpose, which to me was to show sympathy (or empathy) and support for what he was going through. What I'd hate to see is for it to cause any problems with people who might have good reason for wanting it to continue.
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Maybe we should make this weekend his last one for now seeing as Arsenal away was the last game he played before he retired.
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Question is, what does Stan want? My view is that he wants to move on and put his illness behind him. He's coming to terms with having to retire and he's got a new job and challenge to get to grips with. He has no doubts about the fans affection for him, he just wants to look forward.
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Take it off the screens. If people still want to politely applaud, fine. If you don't want to join in, fine also.
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Take it off the screens. If people still want to politely applaud, fine. If you don't want to join in, fine also.
It is off the screens.
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Someone a few posts back suggested singing his name on the 19th minute which I think is the best idea all round really.
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Take it off the screens. If people still want to politely applaud, fine. If you don't want to join in, fine also.
It is off the screens.
Jobs a good 'un then.
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I didn't join in Saturday and got some funny looks. Time for Stan to end it for me.
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If Saturday's response in any indication, the gesture will not be stopping any time soon.
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Maybe we should make this weekend his last one for now seeing as Arsenal away was the last game he played before he retired.
I like that idea. Then for future games move to something like others have suggested such as singing his name or another chant.
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Aston Villa FC @AVFCOfficial 2m
Stan Petrov also calls for an end to the 19th minute applause, thanking the fans in the process for their unbelievable support. #AVFC
Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 8m
Stiliyan Petrov has politely suggested #avfc fans should stop the emotional 19th minute tribute to him, saying: "We all have to move on."
Two quotes from Twitter no link as yet though
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Would be a nice idea to hold a launch day for Stans charity early in the season at VP and then the usual acorns day in the second half of the season and fund raise for both.
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From the OS.
Stiliyan Petrov will return to action for the first time since he was diagnosed as suffering from acute leukaemia 17 months ago when he turns out for a "Stiliyan XI" against a Celtic XI on September 8 at Celtic Park.
The 34-year-old former Villa captain, now assistant to Villa Under-21 coach Gordon Cowans, is working hard for his big comeback and also for the upcoming launch of his charitable foundation, which will raise funds for leukaemia research and other related causes.
Villa manager Paul Lambert, his former teammate and midfield partner at Parkhead, will also be taking part in the game and Petrov, whose leukaemia is in remission, is looking forward to being reunited on the pitch with Lambert and other ex-teammates and celebrities.
"I'm really happy that the manager has agreed to play a part in my game on September 8 - the way he looks he might be ready to play the whole 90 minutes!" Petrov said.
"If the training goes well for me, who knows? I'm definitely working hard and getting fitter to play a part in the game and I can't wait for it. I'm really excited and I'm really excited about launching my foundation, which I'll be able to say more about very soon."
Petrov has fought an inspiring and courageous battle ever since his diagnosis, demonstrating the perseverance, sacrifice and aspiration which were hallmarks of his career.
The uplifting news that he is coming through scarred but unbowed, having recently finished the tortuous bouts of intensive chemotherapy treatment, has been met with jubilation by supporters of Villa, Celtic and Bulgaria, in particular, but also by fans of football throughout the world.
The 19th minute applause during games became emblematic of the depth of support and affection for Petrov and, now that he is through the worst, he feels the time is right to bring this ritual to a natural end going into the new season.
"Fans have asked me about it and I want to make clear that it was a great thing from the Villa fans, an unbelievable gesture which meant so much to me and my family through some of the toughest periods we had to endure," Petrov added.
"The fans have shown me so much love, support and respect and I will hold this forever in my heart.
"But we all have to move on and I have no problem with this. In fact, I know they will always be beside me, they're with me and I'm in their thoughts. That's a precious and very humbling thing.
"When I went through the toughest times they stood beside me and I'll never forget this.
"I know the fans will support the team this season in the same way they supported me because they showed how united they are and, as a club, we are looking forward together to the kind of exciting season it promises to be."
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About right that.
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Very good statement overall and I hope all fans will take note of his wish to stop.
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As I said earlier in the thread, I thought Saturday could well have been the last one. Chelts can confirm I said something was going to be said very soon when we were in the Barton's.
And a well worded statement.
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He said nothing. He is making it up as he goes along.
PS He might have done...
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Question is, what does Stan want? My view is that he wants to move on and put his illness behind him. He's coming to terms with having to retire and he's got a new job and challenge to get to grips with. He has no doubts about the fans affection for him, he just wants to look forward.
Pretty much what Stan said in his statement today!
Stiliyan Petrov has politely suggested the claret and blue faithful should end their emotional 19th minute tribute to him, saying: “We all have to move on.”
Villa supporters and other football fans have come together in support of the inspirational former captain throughout his brave battle against acute leukaemia.
During each home and away game since he was diagnosed with the disease, the 19th minute has been a cue for loud applause and the chanting of his name.
Aston Villa fans pay tribute to Stiliyan PetrovAston Villa fans paying tribute to Stiliyan Petrov
And Petrov has now admitted that “we all have to move on” after admitting how moved and humbled he and his family have been by the warm gesture of goodwill.
“Fans have asked me about it and I want to make clear that it was a great thing from the Villa fans, an unbelievable gesture which meant so much to me and my family through some of the toughest periods we had to endure,” Petrov added.
“The fans have shown me so much love, support and respect and I will hold this forever in my heart.
“But we all have to move on and I have no problem with this. In fact, I know they will always be beside me, they’re with me and I’m in their thoughts. That’s a precious and very humbling thing.
“When I went through the toughest times they stood beside me and I’ll never forget this.
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Glad this has been clarified as it could have got messy.
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I'll guarantee that some will still try to keep it going.
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I'll guarantee that some will still try to keep it going.
I'm going to keep it going! Secretly, in my head, whenever I think of Stan Petrov.
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If they want to fair enough.
Just don't abuse the away fans if they spot one person in that area not clapping, I always thought that "no respect" chant was in very poor taste.
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Very good statement, I applaud it - errr, no I don't...
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As I said earlier in the thread, I thought Saturday could well have been the last one. Chelts can confirm I said something was going to be said very soon when we were in the Barton's.
He said nothing. He is making it up as he goes along.
The Barton's at Arms!
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Chelts was drunk from the lemonade he was drinking the big girl.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/08/14/aston-villa-legend-petrov-calls-time-over-applause/
Will this be the end of the applause now for Stan?
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/08/14/aston-villa-legend-petrov-calls-time-over-applause/
Will this be the end of the applause now for Stan?
Probably not. I'm not sure the 'No respect' brigade can read.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/08/14/aston-villa-legend-petrov-calls-time-over-applause/
Will this be the end of the applause now for Stan?
Probably not. I'm not sure the 'No respect' brigade can read.
I can hear it now: 'we're Aston Villa, we'll clap when we want'.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/08/14/aston-villa-legend-petrov-calls-time-over-applause/
Will this be the end of the applause now for Stan?
Probably not. I'm not sure the 'No respect' brigade can read.
I can hear it now: 'we're Aston Villa, we'll clap when we want'.
Please don't put ideas into their heads.
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As a lot of people seem to think that you can moan about Villa whether you go to the game or not so shouldnt those that do actually go be allowed to show their support how they like?
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The bloke they are applauding has said stop. Shouldn't that be respected? for those that do stillclap what do you want to do know?Andwhat will you do, clap or not?
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The bloke they are applauding has said stop. Shouldn't that be respected? for those that do stillclap what do you want to do know?Andwhat will you do, clap or not?
Exactly.
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Don't feed the troll!
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As a lot of people seem to think that you can moan about Villa whether you go to the game or not so shouldnt those that do actually go be allowed to show their support how they like?
Can't you respect Stan's wishes?
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Stan said he really loved our support but thankfully he's moved on in the right direction and he's called time on the applause himself.We can be rightly proud of the 19th minute applause but let it go now.
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The bloke they are applauding has said stop. Shouldn't that be respected? for those that do stillclap what do you want to do know?Andwhat will you do, clap or not?
I only clapped on one ocassion anyway.
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Don't feed the troll!
I hope you werent refereeing to me.
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Don't feed the troll!
I hope you werent refereeing to me.
You not hungry?
ooooh, that was either profound or shit.
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Don't feed the troll!
I hope you werent refereeing to me.
You not hungry?
ooooh, that was either profound or shit.
Im not sure but Id have said it when I was 7 and been embarassed.
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*Blows smoke from fingers*
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WHEN Martin O’Neill got the call from Stiliyan Petrov asking him to come up for the #19 Legends´ Match at Celtic Park next month and manage the Hoops squad, the Irishman didn’t hesitate.
The former Celtic boss will receive the warmest of welcomes when he takes his place in the home dugout again for this special charity game on Sunday, September 8.
And joining him on the day will be John Robertson and Steve Walford, who were part of the management team which delivered great success to the club between 2000-05.
Speaking to the official Celtic website, Martin O’Neill explained how he’s looking forward to a return to Paradise.
“Stiliyan asked me to come up and join with him and I really wanted to do it, for everything that he has done, not only at Celtic but at Aston Villa,” Martin said.
“It was a big, big shock when he contracted the illness. Obviously, anyone can get struck with cancer but it was a massive shock to everyone, but he’s had to cope with it. It’s been a long, long battle and he’s getting to the other side of it.
“He and Geraldine actually have the same professor, Professor David Linch, who is just an absolutely brilliant man who has seen both my wife and Stiliyan through their respective illnesses.”
Stiliyan Petrov was just 21-years-old when Martin O’Neill became Celtic manager in the summer of 2000, and over the next five years he became a mainstay in a side which won three league titles, three Scottish Cups and a League Cup, as well as re-establishing Celtic’s reputation in Europe, which included reaching the UEFA Cup final in 2003.
And in 2006, Martin O’Neill, by then manager of Aston Villa, signed the Bulgarian internationalist for the club, where he would soon become captain.
“He had a great mentality, great strength and he was very generous of spirit,” said Martin. “That came very much to the fore at Aston Villa when he eventually became captain of the team, and his generosity to other players and everyone around the football club was brilliant.
“People who are coming up for the game who wouldn’t pretend to know him all that well are making an effort to take part, and that’s really a measure of the man himself.
“This illness is something which has struck him. He’s had to fight this all the way through, and with that experience he’s showing the generosity of the man that he wants to help other people through his foundation.”
And for the former Hoops manager, it will also be a chance to catch up with some fellow Celtic legends.
“For something like this it will be great and I’m looking forward to it,” he said, “just to spend a few hours with some of the players who were excellent during my time there.”
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The bloke they are applauding has said stop. Shouldn't that be respected? for those that do stillclap what do you want to do know?Andwhat will you do, clap or not?
Exactly.
2900 fans at Emirates respected Stan's request and did not do so last Saturday and I have no doubt 40000 or so next Saturday will not either.
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Don't feed the troll!
I hope you werent refereeing to me.
I think only the moderators are allowed to do refereeing.
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This may be a very stupid question. But, what is the name of Stan's Foundation?
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The bloke they are applauding has said stop. Shouldn't that be respected? for those that do stillclap what do you want to do know?Andwhat will you do, clap or not?
Exactly.
2900 fans at Emirates respected Stan's request and did not do so last Saturday and I have no doubt 40000 or so next Saturday will not either.
I think there will be a minority who will as they might not have seen the articles about it.
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Stan to take a break (http://bit.ly/14gxfCD)
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Bit of a shock to hear that, six months out is some time but Stan and his doctors obviously think it's the right thing to do. I guess Stan just tried to do too much too soon.
Good luck with your ongoing recovery, Stan.
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Bit of a shock to hear that, six months out is some time but Stan and his doctors obviously think it's the right thing to do. I guess Stan just tried to do too much too soon.
Good luck with your ongoing recovery, Stan.
Sounds like it, the buzz of being in remission can give you a bit of a false sense of perspective. It took me 4 months to get back to work and a further 5 to get up to full time and I reckon I'm still only at 80% of how I was prior to getting ill. That's without taking into account the psychological and emotional aspects of it all.
The great thing is that the club are being so understanding and that he seems to be determined to come back.
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All the best fella. And thanks for the Tonev tip. Welcome back soon.
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All the best Stan.
Enjoy the break and the family time.
UTV!