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Title: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Basingstokevillain on July 24, 2013, 04:18:26 PM
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Villa have released squad numbers for the upcoming season - so now is the perfect time to get shirty!

Take a look at the list below and use our new, interactive online app called 'Kit Builder.'

Using this state-of-the-art shop technology, you can create your new 2013-14 shirt with the name of your hero and their number.

Alternatively you can select your own name and preferred number - the choice is yours!

You will then see the finished product in the Villa dressing room alongside the tops of Gabby Agbonlahor and Ron Vlaar.

You can also download your 'Kit Builder' creation and use it as your Facebook cover photo too.

You'll stand out from the crowd on the social media site and also be able to show your support for the claret and blues.

It's a fun experience so log-on now to get started.

You can, of course, also snap up your selected shirt name and number in our Villa Stores at Villa Park and New Street.

In squad news, Brad Guzan has been handed the No.1 jersey for the upcoming term.

Guzan, after a sterling campaign which saw him earn player of the year awards, will take the iconic goalkeeping top, previously worn by Nigel Spink, Brad Friedel, David James and Jimmy Rimmer.

Christian Benteke and Matt Lowton have asked to wear No.20 and No.34 respectively once again, after starring with them in the previous campaign.

Jores Okore is No.5, Nathan Baker is No.2 while Antonio Luna is No.14.

Joe Bennett is No.3, Jed Steer is No.13 and Aleksandar Tonev is No.24. Andreas Weimann takes No.10 while Nicklas Helenius is No.9. New midfield ace Leandro Bacuna will take No.7.

The No.19 has been retired for one season as a mark of respect for former skipper Stan Petrov, who was forced to quit the game through illness.

Samir Carruthers is now No.25, after previously wearing No.40, while Chris Herd is No.17 after being No.31.

Gary Gardner takes Brad Guzan's former top No.22.

Squad List

1 Brad Guzan
2 Nathan Baker
3 Joe Bennett
4 Ron Vlaar
5 Jores Okore
6 Ciaran Clark
7 Leandro Bacuna
8 Karim El Ahmadi
9 Nicklas Helenius
10 Andreas Weimann
11 Gabby Agbonlahor
12 Marc Albrighton
13 Jed Steer
14 Antonio Luna
15 Ashley Westwood
16 Fabian Delph
17 Chris Herd
18 Yacouba Sylla
19 Not Available
20 Christian Benteke
21 Jordan Bowery
22 Gary Gardner
24 Aleksandar Tonev
25 Samir Carruthers
34 Matt Lowton
35 Shay Given
36 Charles N'Zogbia
37 Enda Stevens
38 Nathan Delfouneso
39 Darren Bent
40 Stephen Ireland
41 Alan Hutton
42 Barry Bannan
Title: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Legion on July 24, 2013, 04:19:59 PM
Squad List

1 Brad Guzan
2 Nathan Baker
3 Joe Bennett
4 Ron Vlaar
5 Jores Okore
6 Ciaran Clark
7 Leandro Bacuna
8 Karim El Ahmadi
9 Nicklas Helenius
10 Andreas Weimann
11 Gabby Agbonlahor
12 Marc Albrighton
13 Jed Steer
14 Antonio Luna
15 Ashley Westwood
16 Fabian Delph
17 Chris Herd
18 Yacouba Sylla
19 Not Available
20 Christian Benteke
21 Jordan Bowery
22 Gary Gardner
24 Aleksandar Tonev
25 Samir Carruthers
34 Matt Lowton
35 Shay Given
36 Charles N'Zogbia
37 Enda Stevens
38 Nathan Delfouneso
39 Darren Bent
40 Stephen Ireland
41 Alan Hutton
42 Barry Bannan
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 24, 2013, 04:21:55 PM
If we weren't sure about how PL rated Bannan and Defouneso, we know now!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 24, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Nathan Baker at number 2 instead of Lowton?

And numbers 35-42 give a big clue as to who is on the way out/not in Lambert's plans!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 04:23:08 PM
Anyone else get the feeling that the players numbered 35+ may be down there for a reason?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Nathan Baker at number 2 instead of Lowton?

And numbers 35-42 give a big clue as to who is on the way out/not in Lambert's plans!

Lowton prefers 34 IIRC.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Basingstokevillain on July 24, 2013, 04:23:50 PM
34 is Lowton's Favourite speacial number

Also Mods I apologise I also have created a thread
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2013, 04:24:09 PM
So Stan's number has been retired. Nice touch.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Basingstokevillain on July 24, 2013, 04:25:03 PM
So Stan's number has been retired. Nice touch.

Just for next season
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
So Stan's number has been retired. Nice touch.

Just for the season. I'm not a fan of retiring his number I have to be honest.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 24, 2013, 04:25:12 PM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Legion on July 24, 2013, 04:25:18 PM
34 is Lowton's Favourite speacial number

Also Mods I apologise I also have created a thread

Not a problem. I thought yours was specifically about the retirement of number 19 for the season. I will merge them.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: Irish villain on July 24, 2013, 04:25:36 PM
Anyone else get the feeling that the players numbered 35+ may be down there for a reason?


Bent 39? Ouch!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.

They don't need to be named do they?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers - No.19 Shirt retired for one season
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2013, 04:25:51 PM
N'Zogbia included with the bomb squad there.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Concrete John on July 24, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
Retiring No19 for one season will but a whole lot of pressure on whoever gets the shirt in 14/15.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
So Stan's number has been retired. Nice touch.

Just for the season. I'm not a fan of retiring his number I have to be honest.

Me neither but I think the Club's got it spot on here with just the one season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 04:31:18 PM
What number was the Zog until now? A lot of that 1-11 are so unproven it's scary.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: VillaAlways on July 24, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
Bent will be paying us the transfer fee out of his own pocket at this rate
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 04:32:01 PM
What number was the Zog until now? A lot of that 1-11 are so unproven it's scary.

10, maybe it's because of his injury, but I can't help thinking he's down with the others for a reason.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: VillaAlways on July 24, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
Karim firmly in his plans by the look of it
Title: Re: Squad Numbers - No.19 Shirt retired for one season
Post by: Steve R on July 24, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
N'Zogbia included with the bomb squad there.

It was on the cards when Dawkins got on the pitch ahead of him against Wigan. Can't say it's a big surprise.

If you include the already departed Dunne that's 7 players who played regularly under McLeish discarded, with a total of 8 currently in exile.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2013, 04:42:55 PM
Karim firmly in his plans by the look of it

Indeed. There would be an argument that maybe you give Westwood or Sylla the number 8, but perhaps he's thinking in terms of the squad and if you're in, you're in.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Dr Butler on July 24, 2013, 04:46:10 PM
don't the players pick their numbers ?  and IIRC did we not a few years ago auction of the numbers to the players to raise money for charity ?

not a fan of retiring shirt numbers myself, but to make #19 unavailable for the season is a excellent tribute to Stan.

UTV
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 24, 2013, 04:52:15 PM
Not a fan of retiring squad numbers.. Glad it's only for one season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2013, 04:56:40 PM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.
good, they should be awarded when the players get into a proper matchday squad
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Irish villain on July 24, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
N'Zogbia included with the bomb squad there.

It was on the cards when Dawkins got on the pitch ahead of him against Wigan. Can't say it's a big surprise.

If you include the already departed Dunne that's 7 players who played regularly under McLeish discarded, with a total of 8 currently in exile.

Those days under McLeish were indeed dark. Sometimes, the passage of time can alter your perception. In this case I have to say memories of the McLeish year send a shiver down my spine.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2013, 05:10:55 PM
So Hutton hasn't gone then?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 24, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
N'Zogbia included with the bomb squad there.

It was on the cards when Dawkins got on the pitch ahead of him against Wigan. Can't say it's a big surprise.

If you include the already departed Dunne that's 7 players who played regularly under McLeish discarded, with a total of 8 currently in exile.

Those days under McLeish were indeed dark. Sometimes, the passage of time can alter your perception. In this case I have to say memories of the McLeish year send a shiver down my spine.

We were a laughing stock that season. Imagine what would have happened if the club had stuck with it? We were on the road to becoming Stoke. Christ.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 24, 2013, 05:24:32 PM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.
good, they should be awarded when the players get into a proper matchday squad
May be that they are planning on loaning them out to get some experience of first team action!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 24, 2013, 05:25:34 PM
No number 23. Are we saving a place for David Beckham?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 24, 2013, 05:32:20 PM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

See original article, he asked to keep 20
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 05:35:20 PM
They got number 8 wrong. This is what it should be.

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Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2013, 05:35:55 PM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

See original article, he asked to keep 20

Ah grand. I'm much happier with that.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 24, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Its good to see Helenius, Weimann and Gabby at 9, 10 & 11, a tad more traditional for strikers.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2013, 05:44:27 PM
Its good to see Helenius, Weimann and Gabby at 9, 10 & 11, a tad more traditional for strikers.


I've always thought of number eight as being a striker and ten midfield - it's the legacy of Messrs Little, Shaw & Cowans. 
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 24, 2013, 05:49:00 PM
Its good to see Helenius, Weimann and Gabby at 9, 10 & 11, a tad more traditional for strikers.


I've always thought of number eight as being a striker and ten midfield - it's the legacy of Messrs Little, Shaw & Cowans. 

Now I'm drooling - well dreaming!  As some else said, shame about KEA having no 8.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 24, 2013, 05:53:02 PM
I ordered an away shirt yesterday with petrov 19 on the back. nice touch that they have retired it for a season,
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
Its good to see Helenius, Weimann and Gabby at 9, 10 & 11, a tad more traditional for strikers.


I've always thought of number eight as being a striker and ten midfield - it's the legacy of Messrs Little, Shaw & Cowans. 

That was why I was always number 8 when playing, Little, then Shaw and later on Platt. Before he became a spoonfaced misery who forgets who he owes for his career.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: danlanza on July 24, 2013, 06:07:20 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8838818/former-celtic-star-stiliyan-petrov-plans-to-launch-foundation-to-help-leukaemia-sufferers
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: richtheholtender on July 24, 2013, 06:24:11 PM
I am actually gutted about Charlie. I felt he was starting to come good towards the end of last season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 24, 2013, 06:27:23 PM
Retired for one season? The correct tribute. The Bomb Squad are obvious by way of numbers....
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2013, 06:59:01 PM
I've felt N'Zogs days have been numbered. His good spell last season didn't last long and as much as he did okay, we looked even flimsier in midfield when he played. When Sylla made it a mid-3 we looked so much better in the middle. In all honesty, Zoggy has only ever performed consistently for a half season at Wigan. That's it. Like Ireland, talent to burn but something mentally just holds him back. We'll get rid on a cut price in Jan to be honest and rightly so.

I guess some of the youngsters like Grealish, Johnson, Robinson etc may get their chance throughout the season. They don't need to be included in the 25 registered, so we don't have to announce their numbers just yet. As and when they make the match day.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: paulcomben on July 24, 2013, 06:59:56 PM
No number 23. Are we saving a place for David Beckham?

Kinda. Saving it for an attacking midfielder to be signed, hopefully.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2013, 07:09:36 PM
I am actually gutted about Charlie. I felt he was starting to come good towards the end of last season.

He certainly looked a bit more interested by since he joined us you can count his good games on your thumbs.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Saunders9 on July 24, 2013, 07:22:21 PM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

Assuming he still has the fans backing the club will undoubtedly make more money from selling name sets of players with 2 numbers on the shirt as opposed to those with single digits, if numbers cost £3 each there's a lot of money to be made
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
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35 Shay Given
36 Charles N'Zogbia
37 Enda Stevens
38 Nathan Delfouneso
39 Darren Bent
40 Stephen Ireland
41 Alan Hutton
42 Barry Bannan

Pretty clear who is off then?

Think of the money saved...
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

Assuming he still has the fans backing the club will undoubtedly make more money from selling name sets of players with 2 numbers on the shirt as opposed to those with single digits, if numbers cost £3 each there's a lot of money to be made

Or maybe Benteke just prefers the number 20 shirt.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Legion on July 24, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
It is his goals scored target for next season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2013, 08:26:15 PM
I was surprised on the n'zogbia move too. It must indicate he's not favoured.

He's not been great at all, but he did contribute last season. And most of all lambert specifically said how well he'd been playing as recently as march:

Holman started 15 of 20 Premier League games in 2012 but has since been on the pitch only five times, with just one starting appearance.

"He [Holman] couldn't get in because Charles was playing extremely well," Lambert said.

Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: bobdylan on July 24, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
Albrighton, Bowery and Carruthers appear to be in favour over N'Zog, I guess they will provide competition for Helenius, Weimann, Gabby and Tonev for the 2/3 supporting roles to Benteke.  Injuries permitting we could probably allow Bowery, Carruthers, Gardner etc out on loan.  Also Robinson, Johnson, Burke and Drennan all signed new deals so perhaps Lambert thinks there is enough there for his disposal now with promising youngsters coming through to enable him to ditch Zoggy.  I tend to agree.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2013, 08:41:47 PM
When we're 1-1 at home to a mid table side and there's a choice between albrighton and n'zogbia to come on, I know who I'll be calling for. And he doesn't have a massive nose
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2013, 08:46:50 PM
So, all £60,000/week wages get you these days is someone who can only be used for the last few minutes of a game. Not sure what message that sends out to the rest of the squad either. Maybe 'we're prepared to pay that player 3x as much as we're paying you even though he's only doing one fifth of the work you're doing.'
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2013, 08:51:03 PM
I agree that I'd like someone better. But I'd like someone better in before we ditch him. Perhaps this is a sign we are indeed intent on signing a proper number 10?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
And by the way n'zogbia contributed more in the run of games from January to April than albrighton has done in about two and a half years.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: bobdylan on July 24, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
I'd expect Gabby and Weimann to start with Helenius and Tonev as back up.  Bacuna and Luna can also play wide so Albrighton/N'Zog could be well down the pecking order regardless so it's not a case of who we'd prefer to come off the bench rather if we have a horrific injury crisis who we would then prefer to come off the bench.  N'Zog's wages mean it is difficult to argue he should be that man given our current status, rather the likes of Albrighton or younger players like Carruthers are surely much more appropriate as back ups to the back ups for the wide forward roles.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
Its good to see Helenius, Weimann and Gabby at 9, 10 & 11, a tad more traditional for strikers.


I've always thought of number eight as being a striker and ten midfield - it's the legacy of Messrs Little, Shaw & Cowans. 
I always think of 10 as striker (inside forward) and 8 as attacking midfielder. It's a legacy of Messrs Vowden, McMahon and Deehan!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: bobdylan on July 24, 2013, 09:05:49 PM
11 is a left winger surely.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2013, 09:11:26 PM
When we're 1-1 at home to a mid table side and there's a choice between albrighton and n'zogbia to come on, I know who I'll be calling for. And he doesn't have a massive nose
N'Zog every time over Albrighton.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2013, 09:13:33 PM
I think Weimann should be number 8 rather than KEA. KEA should be number 50!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 24, 2013, 09:18:57 PM
Before slowing down with age and injury, I played right wing but wore 11.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: charleeco7 on July 24, 2013, 09:21:17 PM
Darren bent put this on twitter a few minutes ago

"@DarrenBent: Gutted to lose my No 9 shirt. Unfortunately one of those things I have to deal with. KTF"
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2013, 09:26:25 PM
KTF. Kill the fucker?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: paulcomben on July 24, 2013, 09:42:59 PM
Bannan must have seriously annoyed Lambert to be the very highest number despite: B initial/ alpha order, Scottish, central midfielder, small, young, good feet, came through academy, had a few games last season. DUI?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Lsvilla on July 24, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
KTF. Kill the fucker?
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Keep the faith
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 10:11:12 PM
Bent has been a model of restraint in not commenting on his situation so I'm a bit surprised at the tweet above and his remark to the fan who stopped him in his car the other day. Nothing unprofessional about it, just thought keeping mum was his sensible modus operandi.

I'd rather we clear-out the wantaways before anyone else comes in. They're starting to stench the place out.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2013, 10:34:56 PM
Albrighton must be in last chance saloon by now. It shouldn't be a case of either N'Zog or Albrighton. N'Zog needs to be moved on because he doesn't justify being the top earner (he would be if we got rid of the bomb squad). Albrighton needs to find the form that he showed when he first broke through or be shipped out.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 24, 2013, 10:47:13 PM
Darren bent put this on twitter a few minutes ago

"@DarrenBent: Gutted to lose my No 9 shirt. Unfortunately one of those things I have to deal with. KTF"

To be honest, it is a little disrespectful - especially as it's not been given to Benteke, but an unproven youngster.

Bent doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Ireland, Hutton and N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: midnite on July 24, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Judging by the clip we saw though, Bent seems pretty certain he'll be off before long.

Seems the final nail in the coffin.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on July 24, 2013, 11:05:17 PM
Albrighton must be in last chance saloon by now. It shouldn't be a case of either N'Zog or Albrighton. N'Zog needs to be moved on because he doesn't justify being the top earner (he would be if we got rid of the bomb squad). Albrighton needs to find the form that he showed when he first broke through or be shipped out.

He was extremely over rated in that season anyway, I think fan morale was so down that fans just needed a local hero

He did ok, but his crossing in general was absolutely awful. He certainly could do no wrong, so it didn't surprise me that he got found out ever since.

I'd be more inclined to give Carruthers or Grealish run outs in front of Albrighton, and I think talent wise, he's closer to the Bannan & Delfounesos, rather than the top prospects

I'm not a huge fan of N'Zogbia but i'm gobsmacked Lamberts ostracising him as well as Bent. Both are options that are too valuable to just disregard like that in my opinion.

Newcastle are paying big money for Remy and Fulham have apparently decided against Bent, so theres a chance he could stay.

Have we ever seen Benteke & Bent up top together? I know it's not Lamberts preferred formation but having them two up top seems a mouthwatering combination for a team barely surviving relegation
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 11:32:17 PM

Have we ever seen Benteke & Bent up top together? I know it's not Lamberts preferred formation but having them two up top seems a mouthwatering combination for a team barely surviving relegation

Er, yeah. Away at Southampton in our worst performance of the season and the first half at home to Newcastle in another abject 45 minutes. They make similar runs and need to be the main men. Lambert doesn't see them fitting together.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Lee on July 24, 2013, 11:52:23 PM
Karim firmly in his plans by the look of it

I hope not. He's one of the fail list of Lamberts transfers for me. Will never do anything of note for us
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2013, 11:52:36 PM
There's no point leaving the number 9 shirt to a player who's got one foot out the door, and even if we couldn't ship him off, probably wouldn't make the 25 man squad.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: dekko on July 25, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
There's no point leaving the number 9 shirt to a player who's got one foot out the door, and even if we couldn't ship him off, probably wouldn't make the 25 man squad.

This ^^

As much as I like Darren Bent, his days here are numbered and if he isnt even training with the first team squad, why should he be given a first team shirt?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2013, 12:27:23 AM
Darren bent put this on twitter a few minutes ago

"@DarrenBent: Gutted to lose my No 9 shirt. Unfortunately one of those things I have to deal with. KTF"

To be honest, it is a little disrespectful - especially as it's not been given to Benteke, but an unproven youngster.

Bent doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Ireland, Hutton and N'Zogbia.
Oh I think I could handle this sort of disrespect at circa £60k a week.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 01:40:37 AM
This is the same Darren Bent who was telling supporters yesterday that 'I'll be out of here soon'? Quite right he hasn't got the number 9 shirt.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2013, 01:56:13 AM
Well he's only saying it cos it's the truth. His wages are really going to mean we're going to struggle to get any decent fee unless a Ukranian or Russian team fancies him.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
Albrighton must be in last chance saloon by now. It shouldn't be a case of either N'Zog or Albrighton. N'Zog needs to be moved on because he doesn't justify being the top earner (he would be if we got rid of the bomb squad). Albrighton needs to find the form that he showed when he first broke through or be shipped out.

He was extremely over rated in that season anyway, I think fan morale was so down that fans just needed a local hero

He did ok, but his crossing in general was absolutely awful. He certainly could do no wrong, so it didn't surprise me that he got found out ever since.

I'd be more inclined to give Carruthers or Grealish run outs in front of Albrighton, and I think talent wise, he's closer to the Bannan & Delfounesos, rather than the top prospects

I'm not a huge fan of N'Zogbia but i'm gobsmacked Lamberts ostracising him as well as Bent. Both are options that are too valuable to just disregard like that in my opinion.

Newcastle are paying big money for Remy and Fulham have apparently decided against Bent, so theres a chance he could stay.

Have we ever seen Benteke & Bent up top together? I know it's not Lamberts preferred formation but having them two up top seems a mouthwatering combination for a team barely surviving relegation

WestHam. Bent and Benteke played well together. We won and Bent chipped in defensively.

Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 07:51:43 AM
Retiring No19 for one season will but a whole lot of pressure on whoever gets the shirt in 14/15.

Lionel Messi can handle the pressure
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: IFWaters on July 25, 2013, 08:33:43 AM
I would rather we keep Bent. And I think he like playing for us as well, likes the club. I mean he hated Redknapp and Spurs and that's always a good start.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: tricky dicky on July 25, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

Assuming he still has the fans backing the club will undoubtedly make more money from selling name sets of players with 2 numbers on the shirt as opposed to those with single digits, if numbers cost £3 each there's a lot of money to be made

Or maybe Benteke just prefers the number 20 shirt.
This could be due to the fact that the club have sold lots of the new home shirt with Benteke's name on and don't want a load of returns or exchanges
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Richie on July 25, 2013, 08:43:28 AM
Albrighton must be in last chance saloon by now. It shouldn't be a case of either N'Zog or Albrighton. N'Zog needs to be moved on because he doesn't justify being the top earner (he would be if we got rid of the bomb squad). Albrighton needs to find the form that he showed when he first broke through or be shipped out.

He was extremely over rated in that season anyway, I think fan morale was so down that fans just needed a local hero

He did ok, but his crossing in general was absolutely awful. He certainly could do no wrong, so it didn't surprise me that he got found out ever since.

I'd be more inclined to give Carruthers or Grealish run outs in front of Albrighton, and I think talent wise, he's closer to the Bannan & Delfounesos, rather than the top prospects

I'm not a huge fan of N'Zogbia but i'm gobsmacked Lamberts ostracising him as well as Bent. Both are options that are too valuable to just disregard like that in my opinion.

Newcastle are paying big money for Remy and Fulham have apparently decided against Bent, so theres a chance he could stay.

Have we ever seen Benteke & Bent up top together? I know it's not Lamberts preferred formation but having them two up top seems a mouthwatering combination for a team barely surviving relegation

WestHam. Bent and Benteke played well together. We won and Bent chipped in defensively.



I know what your saying, but its nowhere near as effective as the front 3 formation of Gabby - Benteke - Weimann.

This is obviously Lambert's preferred formation as well.

By the looks of it, the only reason Bent isn't a Fulham player is because they won't pay him anywhere near as much as he is earning at Villa.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
I've no problem with Bent losing the Number 9 shirt.

However, it should have been left vacant rather than being given to Helen straight away.

That way, if Benteke stays for 2014/15 he can have the shirt if he wants. If he doesn't want it (or leaves) and if Helen/Bowery proves worthy, one of them can have it.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2013, 09:52:14 AM
Albrighton is an out-and-out winger, a type of player we don't really have any others of. He's a different option and, if he can get himself back on track, has showed he can be a very good and useful player. Last chance at the Villa, though.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: supertom on July 25, 2013, 09:55:30 AM
Alby deserves another shot. I disagree on his crossing too. When he first broke in his crossing was very good. Whether it's a confidence thing or not, in the last couple of seasons it's been bobbins.
But when Houll was here, Albrighton made goals, and chipped in with a few too. He had good awareness making goalward runs from the right flank. I also think he has to play on the right. Sometimes Eck had him on the left and he doesn't look right there.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 25, 2013, 10:04:59 AM
Benteke DOESN'T WANT the number 9 shirt. Helenius probably did. Bent won't be here next season. What's the issue?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 10:21:34 AM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.
good, they should be awarded when the players get into a proper matchday squad
May be that they are planning on loaning them out to get some experience of first team action!


Would like us to loan more youngsters out, playing reserve team football is no substitute for proper matches I think.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: bobdylan on July 25, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
No Siegriest, Burke, Grealish, or Donacien in the squad officially then.
good, they should be awarded when the players get into a proper matchday squad
May be that they are planning on loaning them out to get some experience of first team action!


Would like us to loan more youngsters out, playing reserve team football is no substitute for proper matches I think.

Quite, I'd add Johnson, Webb, Robinson and Drennan to that list also.  If Albrighton is on one last chance I'd also let Gardner, Bowery and Carruthers out on loan as the squad looks pretty full now.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 25, 2013, 11:03:42 AM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

We do get plenty of that sort of reaction from our own fans.

Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: The Villa Werewolf on July 25, 2013, 11:09:35 AM
I wonder if Benteke prefers number 20 or if this is a very mild punishment?

Assuming he still has the fans backing the club will undoubtedly make more money from selling name sets of players with 2 numbers on the shirt as opposed to those with single digits, if numbers cost £3 each there's a lot of money to be made

Or maybe Benteke just prefers the number 20 shirt.
This could be due to the fact that the club have sold lots of the new home shirt with Benteke's name on and don't want a load of returns or exchanges

Unlikely - the club weren't selling shirts printed with players' names until the squad list was announced.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 11:30:02 AM
Albrighton's crossing was sensational, no question.  But he is very much a confidence player and his confidence was shot after the TSM experience.  But even in the (very) few minutes he got under Lambert I thought he looked more lively and up for it, so I'd definitely give him another go.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: QBVILLA on July 25, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Agreed. Whatever Bent's shortcomings he has a goalscoring record few in the league can match.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2013, 12:26:02 PM
Albrighton is an out-and-out winger, a type of player we don't really have any others of. He's a different option and, if he can get himself back on track, has showed he can be a very good and useful player.
He is never going to be the new Chico Hamilton!
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Pete3206 on July 25, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Yes
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Yes

Like the Baggies at home last season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: robbo1874 on July 25, 2013, 12:47:26 PM
They got number 8 wrong. This is what it should be.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/pws_zpsd8e83d30.png)
thought you may have gone for 9 pws?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 25, 2013, 01:14:25 PM
Who is Pws? New Welsh Centre-half?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Bent's performances as a substitute last season wouldn't really warrant that response. However, looking at the squad now, I think it's clear that Lambert is trying to give us more options like that - Helenius and Tonev may well be feared from off the bench.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Chris Harte on July 25, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Bent's performances as a substitute last season wouldn't really warrant that response. However, looking at the squad now, I think it's clear that Lambert is trying to give us more options like that - Helenius and Tonev may well be feared from off the bench.
Bent does still have a hell of a reputation though, I my opinion. I assume the wage bill cull is still active.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
Oh he has a reputation, but I don't think he did much to maintain it in his sub appearances last season.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2013, 01:43:04 PM
N'Zogbia included with the bomb squad there.
Not surprised
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 25, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
Quote
Andreas Weimann's popularity among Villa fans continues to surge with replica shirts bearing the striker's name dominating sales.

Weimann was announced as Villa's new No.10 yesterday when the squad numbers for the 2013-14 were revealed.

Since the announcement, fans have been quick to snap up their customised player replica shirts - with 'Weimann 10' making up a staggering 95% of sales.

This includes shirt transactions in person at Villa stores, as well as purchasers from as far away as Australia and the Far East through our new online store.

"There has been a tremendous response from the fans since the squad numbers for the new season were announced," said head of merchandising John Greenfield.

"We've had orders come in from all over the world for customised replica shirts.

"The fans have really taken to Andreas since he broke into the first team.

"He is an academy graduate who gives everything on the field and these figures highlight his growing popularity."

Following the official squad number announcement yesterday, fans were able to customise their shirts via the new Kit Builder app on the online store.

The first three orders to come in were Tonev 24 [home shirt], Okore 5 [away shirt] and Weimann 10 [home shirt].
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 25, 2013, 02:25:21 PM
They got number 8 wrong. This is what it should be.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/pws_zpsd8e83d30.png)
thought you may have gone for 9 pws?

8 for Little and Shaw. Early heroes of mine.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: OCD on July 25, 2013, 07:41:10 PM
Quote
Andreas Weimann's popularity among Villa fans continues to surge with replica shirts bearing the striker's name dominating sales.

Weimann was announced as Villa's new No.10 yesterday when the squad numbers for the 2013-14 were revealed.

Since the announcement, fans have been quick to snap up their customised player replica shirts - with 'Weimann 10' making up a staggering 95% of sales.

This includes shirt transactions in person at Villa stores, as well as purchasers from as far away as Australia and the Far East through our new online store.

"There has been a tremendous response from the fans since the squad numbers for the new season were announced," said head of merchandising John Greenfield.

"We've had orders come in from all over the world for customised replica shirts.

"The fans have really taken to Andreas since he broke into the first team.

"He is an academy graduate who gives everything on the field and these figures highlight his growing popularity."

Following the official squad number announcement yesterday, fans were able to customise their shirts via the new Kit Builder app on the online store.

The first three orders to come in were Tonev 24 [home shirt], Okore 5 [away shirt] and Weimann 10 [home shirt].

I wonder what this stat would have looked like if Benteke hadn't dropped a bollock.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: john e on July 25, 2013, 07:49:32 PM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Agreed. Whatever Bent's shortcomings he has a goalscoring record few in the league can match.


yet there is not a club in the whole of European football knocking the door down for his signature,
 even though he has a For Sale sign hanging above his head
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: QBVILLA on July 26, 2013, 06:33:49 AM
I wish we could keep Bent. It's about time we had an "Oh shit, they're bringing HIM on" player.

Agreed. Whatever Bent's shortcomings he has a goalscoring record few in the league can match.


yet there is not a club in the whole of European football knocking the door down for his signature,
 even though he has a For Sale sign hanging above his head


If you were an interested club would you be looking to show your hand early for a player who is clearly not wanted? We'll end up selling for less than £5m purely down to the size of Bent's contract. Lot of short memories on this forum regarding Bent. Without him we'd have been in the Championship. His only 'crime' has been not to be rated by the manager. Wherever he goes he'll score goals and will be a bargain imo.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
I think both Given and Bent have done well for us when they've played and will do well wherever they move to.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: QBVILLA on July 26, 2013, 11:48:10 AM
I think both Given and Bent have done well for us when they've played and will do well wherever they move to.

I agree with that. I also admire their desire to play rather than simply just collect their wage. Now, Ireland on the other hand............
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: gnrpoison on July 26, 2013, 01:19:48 PM
Wow Delfounseo has gone from 14 to 23 to 38 in just over two seasons.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: achilles on July 26, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
I think both Given and Bent have done well for us when they've played and will do well wherever they move to.

Totally agree, neither have given Villa a moments trouble. Wish them well where ever they end up, both very decent players.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2013, 04:15:42 PM
Wow Delfounseo has gone from 14 to 23 to 38 in just over two seasons.

Like Tulisa's pop career.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2013, 04:35:19 PM
Wow Delfounseo has gone from 14 to 23 to 38 in just over two seasons.

Like Tulisa's pop career.

Who ?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2013, 04:41:10 PM
Wow Delfounseo has gone from 14 to 23 to 38 in just over two seasons.

Like Tulisa's pop career.

Who ?

The chav from I'mAnXfactorIdolBrother. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Legion on July 27, 2013, 04:41:37 PM
I've never heard of him, either.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2013, 04:42:51 PM
I've never heard of him, either.

He is a she. I know that much.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: adrenachrome on July 27, 2013, 08:02:05 PM
I've never heard of him, either.

He is a she. I know that much.

A transformer dude?
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 27, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
A footballer in
I've never heard of him, either.

He is a she. I know that much.

A transformer dude?

A footballer in disguise.
Title: Re: Squad Numbers 2013-14 (#19 retired for the season)
Post by: paulcomben on July 27, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Deleted due to being late night nonsense.
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