Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave on July 12, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
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While it's quiet this may as well have its own thread:
Is your club a media darling - or an unfashionable whipping boy? Does your team get a rough deal from the hack pack? Do lazy journalists always come up with the same clichés about your club? In this series, John Nicholson and Alan Tyers look at the stereotypes, coverage and media agendas for each team in the Premier League...
Ex-player pundit presence
Andy Gray, but not so much since lesbians escaped from the kitchen and ruined it for everyone with their equality nonsense. Dion Dublin pops up magnificently from time to time. David Platt used to until his head became entirely ovoid and a bit frightening. Gareth Southgate is likeable and decent and doubtless smells of Imperial Leather. Andy Townsend is widely derided; Dwight Yorke seems to be in it only for the money but at least looks happy. And of course there's fearless warrior of the wireless, Stanley Victor Collymore. Perhaps the best ex-Villa pundit we've seen is Ian Taylor but he doesn't get much of an outing. Interestingly, it seems that some of Villa's biggest players of the last few decades are associated more with other clubs than the Villa.
Celebrity followers
Villa's historical, establishment credentials are franked by claiming Prince William, former Bank of England governor Mervyn King and David Cameron among its supporters. Cameron has been a fan since he was taken to see them play aged 13 by his uncle. Who happened to be Sir William Dugdale, the club's former chairman, Sir William Dugdale. See? He's just a regular guy. Other embarrassments for Villa include scruffy violinist Nigel Kennedy and phone salesman Kris Marshall, who dedicated his professional life to promoting BT, only to be ditched just when they might actually have something vaguely cool to flog, i.e. football. On the upside, Villa can claim Ozzy Osbourne and Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath as fans. As the latter once wrote a song containing the lyrics "Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me, I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes" it just goes to show you don't have to be mad to be a Villa fan but it helps.
Back page leaders?
Don't make regular appearances at the top of the media agenda since the brilliant-value 'Deadly' Doug Ellis stepped down, but major club events - O'Neill departure, Lerner's spending, McLeish's head looking like a slice of breaded ham - still get big play. This may be in part because older hacks (at section-editor level and above) still remember days when Villa were a major force but also because they can still pull in over 40,000. Very hard to imagine them getting much attention outside the UK.
Gaffer's media skills
With the exception of Steve Kean, no top-flight manager was more universally unpopular with his own fans than Alex McLeish at Villa Park, so Paul Lambert was already in some credit just for taking over. Has done a reasonable job media-wise, gets the "he's British so go easy on him" instinct from the red tops and there is some sympathy with his difficult position in having to handle a chairman who has apparently lost the drive to spend. Handled relegation-threat pressure okay last season, but got narky with local press, never a wise move for a beleaguered, non-glamorous manager.
Vox pop cliché fan
Not an ounce of arrogance, they more usually have an air of melancholy, especially when West Brom finish above them. Usually in possession of much-needed self-deprecation. Always fiercely defensive about being the biggest team in the Midlands even as the golden glow of more glamorous times fades like the setting sun. Angry that things are not better but are not sure if they actually deserve to be.
Keyboard warrior ferocity
Quite low. Most bile seems to be turned inwards, at McLeish say, or club financial policy. Don't have a large rump of online rage-heads. Don't seem bothered about faddish things such a net spend or winning trophies. Would just like to win a few more games. Dangerously reasonable.
Club's brand
The biggest and most authentic club in the region, a founder member, a once-mighty footballing force that is now forever just a couple of signings away from being one of the major players again.
Outsider's view
A historical curiosity, but one which is generally quite well liked: the Premier League's dotty and smelly, but sweet great auntie. Neutrals would rather like Villa to become a major player to break the North West/London hegemony and look on with sadness as they slip down the league. No more likely to become a big force again than rattles and rosettes.
Archetypal news story
"Randy Lerner now richer than God, Aston Villa to sign unheard-of Romanian on free," or "Player plucked from obscurity, turns out to be very good, now hands in transfer request."
F365 (http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8816436/Footy-On-TV)
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'Dangerously reasonable'?
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Anyone who says Nigel Kennedy is an embarrassment, calls David Cameron a fan since he was 13 and mentions Ozzy bloody Osbourne at all hasn't done much research. They also seem to have a problem remembering whether or not Alex McLeish is still manager.
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It took 2 people to write that?
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A not entirely inaccurate and a benignly amusing piece of writing.
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"Club's brand
The biggest and most authentic club in the region, a founder member, a once-mighty footballing force that is now forever just a couple of signings away from being one of the major players again."
This is the bit that grinds my gears and is one of my main gripes with the current regime at Villa Park: "a founder member". The marketing department has done a pretty poor job - in my opinion - of spreading the word on McGregor and Villa's place as THE club that created league football. This is what makes us unique in world football and surely it would add value to the club if it was shoved a bit more in people's faces? Get it written on the top of the Witton Lane, have a reference to it on the home page of the official site, have a huge portrait of McGregor hanging in the press conference theater/room at Villa Park and Bodymoor. There's so many simple things that could be done. Get it out there!!
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"Club's brand
The biggest and most authentic club in the region, a founder member, a once-mighty footballing force that is now forever just a couple of signings away from being one of the major players again."
This is the bit that grinds my gears and is one of my main gripes with the current regime at Villa Park: "a founder member". The marketing department has done a pretty poor job - in my opinion - of spreading the word on McGregor and Villa's place as THE club that created league football. This is what makes us unique in world football and surely it would add value to the club if it was shoved a bit more in people's faces? Get it written on the top of the Witton Lane, have a reference to it on the home page of the official site, have a huge portrait of McGregor hanging in the press conference theater/room at Villa Park and Bodymoor. There's so many simple things that could be done. Get it out there!!
McGregor? No it was Abramovich who put British football on the map. Kirsty Gallagher said so - on Sky sports news (and oxymoron)
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William McGregor is very important to us, but historical references, especially those from as far back as the 19th century only have so much appeal to the wider audience. If the current team does well and we have sustained period of success the history of the club will become an interesting topic of conversation. Blasting it from the rooftops of a club in the lower reaches of the PL falls on deaf ears outside of the immediate parish.
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"Club's brand
The biggest and most authentic club in the region, a founder member, a once-mighty footballing force that is now forever just a couple of signings away from being one of the major players again."
This is the bit that grinds my gears and is one of my main gripes with the current regime at Villa Park: "a founder member". The marketing department has done a pretty poor job - in my opinion - of spreading the word on McGregor and Villa's place as THE club that created league football. This is what makes us unique in world football and surely it would add value to the club if it was shoved a bit more in people's faces? Get it written on the top of the Witton Lane, have a reference to it on the home page of the official site, have a huge portrait of McGregor hanging in the press conference theater/room at Villa Park and Bodymoor. There's so many simple things that could be done. Get it out there!!
McGregor? No it was Abramovich who put British football on the map. Kirsty Gallagher said so - on Sky sports news (and oxymoron)
She did say that, didn't she? That's the kind of media shite the club has to work against.
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William McGregor is very important to us, but historical references, especially those from as far back as the 19th century only have so much appeal to the wider audience. If the current team does well and we have sustained period of success the history of the club will become an interesting topic of conversation. Blasting it from the rooftops of a club in the lower reaches of the PL falls on deaf ears outside of the immediate parish.
I'm not so sure I agree there Toronto. The media and good marketing can make anything appealing and of interest to an audience. Two cricket teams playing for a trophy consisting of ancient burnt stumps? A bit of media razzamatazz keeps it high profile, reaffirms the history and makes it fascinating. Look at the Lions rugby team and how its profile and brand value have shot up since Sky got in on the act these past fifteen years. Juventus revel in being called "The Old Lady"... I think history and sport go hand in hand and if you can market a history correctly it creates identity and mystique. Look at West Ham and how they are sticking pictures of Bobby Moore all around their ground, they're obviously trying to link England's World Cup win to their own history and brand value.
I really think we are missing a huge trick here - the club that created league football? There's absolutey no excuses for not getting that message out to a worldwide TV audience week in and week out every Saturday.
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William McGregor is very important to us, but historical references, especially those from as far back as the 19th century only have so much appeal to the wider audience. If the current team does well and we have sustained period of success the history of the club will become an interesting topic of conversation. Blasting it from the rooftops of a club in the lower reaches of the PL falls on deaf ears outside of the immediate parish.
I'm not so sure I agree there Toronto. The media and good marketing can make anything appealing and of interest to an audience. Two cricket teams playing for a trophy consisting of ancient burnt stumps? A bit of media razzamatazz keeps it high profile, reaffirms the history and makes it fascinating. Look at the Lions rugby team and how its profile and brand value have shot up since Sky got in on the act these past fifteen years. Juventus revel in being called "The Old Lady"... I think history and sport go hand in hand and if you can market a history correctly it creates identity and mystique. Look at West Ham and how they are sticking pictures of Bobby Moore all around their ground, they're obviously trying to link England's World Cup win to their own history and brand value.
I really think we are missing a huge trick here - the club that created league football? There's absolutey no excuses for not getting that message out to a worldwide TV audience week in and week out every Saturday.
This is the Premier League; the week before last is ancient history. Nobody outside of ourselves could care less which club's chairman founded a competition they don't care about or which club was the best before their great-grandparents were born.
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William McGregor is very important to us, but historical references, especially those from as far back as the 19th century only have so much appeal to the wider audience. If the current team does well and we have sustained period of success the history of the club will become an interesting topic of conversation. Blasting it from the rooftops of a club in the lower reaches of the PL falls on deaf ears outside of the immediate parish.
I'm not so sure I agree there Toronto. The media and good marketing can make anything appealing and of interest to an audience. Two cricket teams playing for a trophy consisting of ancient burnt stumps? A bit of media razzamatazz keeps it high profile, reaffirms the history and makes it fascinating. Look at the Lions rugby team and how its profile and brand value have shot up since Sky got in on the act these past fifteen years. Juventus revel in being called "The Old Lady"... I think history and sport go hand in hand and if you can market a history correctly it creates identity and mystique. Look at West Ham and how they are sticking pictures of Bobby Moore all around their ground, they're obviously trying to link England's World Cup win to their own history and brand value.
I really think we are missing a huge trick here - the club that created league football? There's absolutey no excuses for not getting that message out to a worldwide TV audience week in and week out every Saturday.
This is the Premier League; the week before last is ancient history. Nobody outside of ourselves could care less which club's chairman founded a competition they don't care about or which club was the best before their great-grandparents were born.
They'd care if they knew about it - and we kept it in their faces. Get it written across one of the stands. Get McGregor's portrait hanging behind Lambert in the press room and so on. That's what marketing is about: creating the interest/awareness until it becomes a recognizable part of our identity and story.
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Do you really think you're the only one who's thought of this? Or is it more likely that it's been thought of and discarded because it wouldn't work?
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No more likely to become a big force again than rattles and rosettes.
I am old enough to remember rattles and rosettes quite well, but they were never a big force.
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"Club's brand
The biggest and most authentic club in the region, a founder member, a once-mighty footballing force that is now forever just a couple of signings away from being one of the major players again."
This is the bit that grinds my gears and is one of my main gripes with the current regime at Villa Park: "a founder member". The marketing department has done a pretty poor job - in my opinion - of spreading the word on McGregor and Villa's place as THE club that created league football. This is what makes us unique in world football and surely it would add value to the club if it was shoved a bit more in people's faces? Get it written on the top of the Witton Lane, have a reference to it on the home page of the official site, have a huge portrait of McGregor hanging in the press conference theater/room at Villa Park and Bodymoor. There's so many simple things that could be done. Get it out there!!
Can't we have sponsorship from Jacobs cream crackers, then we can both use "The original and the best"
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No more likely to become a big force again than rattles and rosettes.
I am old enough to remember rattles and rosettes quite well, but they were never a big force.
I wonder what chances they'd have given Manchester City of becoming a major force a few years ago?
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Do you really think you're the only one who's thought of this? Or is it more likely that it's been thought of and discarded because it wouldn't work?
Has the idea been discarded?
EDIT: (Just to add a bit more as I had to nip out mid-post.) I think the club has been working on pushing the McGregor angle over the past six years, no doubt. I've read articles in the national press, local press and so on about him. There's the statue, of course, and so on and they've even started using his portrait in the title sequence to the Football League Show- all brilliant stuff. The idea is there and I'm certainly not alone in thinking these things and I don't think it's been discarded, just lowered on the list of priorities.
Going back to my initial post, my gripe is that we can do more in and around the ground to keep pushing this side of the club's identity because loads of people will see it. We've just signed a deal with Eurosport Asia that will potentially have Villa matches shown in six million households on the other side of the world. Why should they be interested in Villa? Maybe they're not, but, clearly, we're going to try and get them interested. The same applies to aspects of the Villa story: we need to keep getting it out there in my opinion.
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These lyrics have got to be about us haven't they?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5yEFbwnv0lk
I am the painter of the part that you don't see
The architect of all the beauty at your feet
The same one you choose to ignore
Who's in contact to the Olde Original
Can you hear me? Can you hear me through the wire?
Don't you know that, don't you know that I'm alive?
Can you respect the love I gave you all
For the Olde Original?
You scratch the surface of the moon to find a trace
I carved your bodies out of wood and gave the face
Someone who would question it all
And bring comfort to the Olde Original
O'er the rooftops and the plain
In the Sky there's only rain
All my children lost their way
Can you see me? Can you see me through the wire?
Don't you know that, don't you know you made me cry?
When you reject the love I gave you all
For the Olde Original
Look out Momma - the Olde Original
Comin' to getcha - the Olde Original.
It's obviously about Old Mac and Villa forming the league and what's happening now. See references to satellites andg Sky, and all our children - other clubs - losing their way. Nice positive note on which to end though. Nice tune too, kinda Mott the Hoople-ish.
Genius.
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'Dangerously reasonable'?
I actually quite like that - look how reasonable we were with TSM until the Bolton game; how we gave Lambo time even when letting in an average 5 goals a game for a while ;-)
It's when we all turn - then it's nasty!
Happens about once a decade?
Thought this piece was quite fun really if you forget the nit-picky bits...