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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: richardhubbard on June 13, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
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Good call. Feels very similar.
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Aug 95. The last time we beat that Newton Heath lot at VP.
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If next season is anywhere near as good as 95/96 we're in for a cracker. I'm not going to get to over-optimistic based on a few YouTube clips, but I'm loving the way that Lambert had seemingly identified his targets, got all his ducks in a row and concluding the deals early. Hopefully they'll all work out, but if they don't, it won't be for the wont of a full pre-season of integration.
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All this is helping to boost the clubs profile as well, no bad thing during negotiations with future signings or wavering current players (Christian Benteke i fear). Anything that puts us on the back pages is welcome.
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That was an exciting season all right. Savo, Draper and Southgate rejuvenated the side that was almost relegated the season before. Let's hope we match that team, finish in the European places and win a domestic cup final.
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I got my first real six string.
Bought it from Woolworth's.
Played it till my mum threw it in the bin
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Either that or it's a big push to retain the next gen cup at all costs!
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Aug 95. The last time we beat that Newton Heath lot at VP.
In the league.
We beat them 3-0 in 99 in the league cup.
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I got my first real six string.
Bought it from Woolworth's.
Played it till my mum threw it in the bin
Met some guys on the dole,sniffed glue and we smoked some weed......
Im quite embarrassed that i actually know the words to the original.
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I am embarrassed to know Damon who does as well!
All things considered I am as happy as a pig in shit and delighted about our signings.
They must have been in the offing for some time and Lambert and his team must have a plan. Which included us staying up.
Hats off.
Whisper it quietly but I reckon we have a good 'un.
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Have to give Lambert his due, identified his targets and gone out and got them early. They all look to be shrewd signings, and PL is looking to be an astute manager, who while living within a tight budget regime is building a squad that seems to have great potential and can develop together. They may not all work out as good as Benteke, but these players are generating a real feel good factor, so different to the last few managers.
Next season could be a cracker, and we're due one. ;D ;D
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The way the league was last season there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be targetting 8th spot in the upcoming campaign. There'll be another eight clubs thinking the same it's a case of being the best of the rest. Anything higher than that would require Everton or Liverpool to have an absolute disaster and i can't see that happening in the next twelve months. We'll take a few hidings but we'll also dish a few out and at least alonmg the way we'll play good football. Towards the end of the season the football we were treated to was as good as it's been in years in my opinion. The likes of Westwood and Lowton really started looking like Premier league footballers and I expect Westwood in particular to be involved with England by the end of 2013/14. Benteke would be a massive loss should he leave but I don't see it being as massive of a loss as some are predicting.
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The way the league was last season there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be targetting 8th spot in the upcoming campaign. There'll be another eight clubs thinking the same it's a case of being the best of the rest. Anything higher than that would require Everton or Liverpool to have an absolute disaster and i can't see that happening in the next twelve months. We'll take a few hidings but we'll also dish a few out and at least alonmg the way we'll play good football. Towards the end of the season the football we were treated to was as good as it's been in years in my opinion. The likes of Westwood and Lowton really started looking like Premier league footballers and I expect Westwood in particular to be involved with England by the end of 2013/14. Benteke would be a massive loss should he leave but I don't see it being as massive of a loss as some are predicting.
I have been saying this for a while now, never seems to waste the ball and always looks comfortable on it too, now if he can add a few goals....
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The way the league was last season there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be targetting 8th spot in the upcoming campaign. There'll be another eight clubs thinking the same it's a case of being the best of the rest. Anything higher than that would require Everton or Liverpool to have an absolute disaster and i can't see that happening in the next twelve months. We'll take a few hidings but we'll also dish a few out and at least alonmg the way we'll play good football. Towards the end of the season the football we were treated to was as good as it's been in years in my opinion. The likes of Westwood and Lowton really started looking like Premier league footballers and I expect Westwood in particular to be involved with England by the end of 2013/14. Benteke would be a massive loss should he leave but I don't see it being as massive of a loss as some are predicting.
I have been saying this for a while now, never seems to waste the ball and always looks comfortable on it too, now if he can add a few goals....
I hope he doesn't. His performances and quality have been under the radar so far and long may it continue.
We'll see how Everton do in the transfer market, but I think they are going to lose Fellaini at the very least. The fact that Martinez will only be able to get the team going in March, should see them fall into the pack. I also expect Liverpool to push on and make it the 'Sky 6'.
Of the rest of the teams, there is no one I would look at think we should not finish ahead of. At the same time, there is still a lot of transfers to be made, so I imagine come August, there will be a lot of clubs' fans having the same conversation.
Definitely exciting though.
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What is so exciting about Liverpool? Replacing Freddie Mercury with Aspa or Carragher with Toure (The old one)? Gerrard a year older? Sturridge injured? Im hopeful we can finish close to them
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What is so exciting about Liverpool? Replacing Freddie Mercury with Aspa or Carragher with Toure (The old one)? Gerrard a year older? Sturridge injured? Im hopeful we can finish close to them
lifelong never been to Anfield Liverpool fan thought when the story broke about Toure going to them ....yep you guessed it he thought it was the good one.....tit
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lifelong never been to Anfield Liverpool fan thought when the story broke about Toure going to them ....yep you guessed it he thought it was the good one.....tit
;D
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
I had that exact same thought last night, with all the new signings coming in it's similar to when we got Draper, Southgate, Milosevic et al.......... I have a feeling good times lie ahead
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lifelong never been to Anfield Liverpool fan thought when the story broke about Toure going to them ....yep you guessed it he thought it was the good one.....tit
Knob
;D
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lifelong never been to Anfield Liverpool fan thought when the story broke about Toure going to them ....yep you guessed it he thought it was the good one.....tit
Knob
;D
lol.. do you know him Rob ? he has a big tattoo of Jamie Carragher on his arm with 500 underneath it.....a proper fan he calls himself.
UTV
The Doc
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The summer of 1995 was my favourite as a villa fan and this one is indeed similar. I can see us 'surprising a few' next year again.
Oddly, this summer also reminds me of other good close seasons such as '04 and '06. I think the arrival of José at Chelsea takes me back to the days when we used to be their bogey team. Us stealing a march on them with Okore suggests we may, yet again, be a bit of a thorn in Mourinho's side.
All in all, feeling the good times.
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Paul Lambert is Brad Pitt in Moneyball.
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lifelong never been to Anfield Liverpool fan thought when the story broke about Toure going to them ....yep you guessed it he thought it was the good one.....tit
Knob
;D
lol.. do you know him Rob ? he has a big tattoo of Jamie Carragher on his arm with 500 underneath it.....a proper fan he calls himself.
UTV
The Doc
I don't and I don't want to know him.
Is the tatoo story real? Surely not?
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oh yes.....he also told everyone in our local pub that he was going to Man Utd vs Liverpool that saturday, us thinking how the fuck did he get tickets for it.
..........we eventually found out he drove to Livepool to watch the game in a Scouse pub......the game was at Old Trafford..
he is twat of the highest order..
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What happened Draper after a very good start to his Villa career? Seem to remember him coming on to good effect in UEFA cup ties under Gregory but was it off pitch issues that caused the fall of grace in the first place?
Savo had great ability and was a huge signing for the club at the time. Remember being so excited when we signed him, young player with a phenomenal scoring record in Belgrade. Didn't work out though.
Out of the three, Southgate was the unheralded one but turned out to be a great player for us. Jagielka esque signing from Little at the time.
It could be that Bacuna may turn out to be the most successful of this lot.
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What happened Draper after a very good start to his Villa career?
I always wondered that. I remember going in to the see the FA Cup Semi Final and seeing a group of girls playing with a skipping rope and singing "He's got no hair but he don't care Mark Draper". Very surreal.
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What is so exciting about Liverpool? Replacing Freddie Mercury with Aspa or Carragher with Toure (The old one)? Gerrard a year older? Sturridge injured? Im hopeful we can finish close to them
Nothing particularly exciting, I just think they will improve this year. Coutinho looks a great signing. Rodgers, despite some of the s*** he comes out with is a good manager and I think they will spend big. Aspas is very highly rated and selling Suarez could be a blessing in disguise for them.
I'm not expecting a title challenge or anything near it, but I do expect them to take advantage of Moyes leaving Everton and also close the gap on the likes of Spurs.
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What is so exciting about Liverpool? Replacing Freddie Mercury with Aspa or Carragher with Toure (The old one)? Gerrard a year older? Sturridge injured? Im hopeful we can finish close to them
Nothing particularly exciting, I just think they will improve this year. Coutinho looks a great signing. Rodgers, despite some of the s*** he comes out with is a good manager and I think they will spend big. Aspas is very highly rated and selling Suarez could be a blessing in disguise for them.
I'm not expecting a title challenge or anything near it, but I do expect them to take advantage of Moyes leaving Everton and also close the gap on the likes of Spurs.
I wasn't impressed by Rodgers' Liverpool at all last season. Without Suarez's goals they would have been a lot further down the league, so it remains to be seen what they do without him, if he goes, which I expect he will. No Carragher and Gerrard a year older.
They'll still be top half, but I'd be very surprised to see them finish any higher than they did last season.
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This feels better than 95 to be honest. We may have had a brush with relegation, but we had not long before won a trophy and still had some good players on the books.
As good as Lambert has been so far, he has had the advantage of following the worst act for decades. The contrast between what is happening now at VP and the state we were in when McLeish was sent packing is fairly stark.
I'm looking forward to August. I just hope the season doesn't start with Norwich at home.
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This actually feels like Proud History...Bright Future for the first time in many years
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Paul Lambert is Brad Pitt in Moneyball.
It's just me then, this is happening, isn't it?
Ace.
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This site is un recognisable from this time last year. Doom and gloom replaced by positive posts. UTV.
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What is so exciting about Liverpool? Replacing Freddie Mercury with Aspa or Carragher with Toure (The old one)? Gerrard a year older? Sturridge injured? Im hopeful we can finish close to them
Nothing particularly exciting, I just think they will improve this year. Coutinho looks a great signing. Rodgers, despite some of the s*** he comes out with is a good manager and I think they will spend big. Aspas is very highly rated and selling Suarez could be a blessing in disguise for them.
I'm not expecting a title challenge or anything near it, but I do expect them to take advantage of Moyes leaving Everton and also close the gap on the likes of Spurs.
I wasn't impressed by Rodgers' Liverpool at all last season. Without Suarez's goals they would have been a lot further down the league, so it remains to be seen what they do without him, if he goes, which I expect he will. No Carragher and Gerrard a year older.
They'll still be top half, but I'd be very surprised to see them finish any higher than they did last season.
And yet when he was suspended, Coutinho and Sturridge looked class together at the end of the season. It's nice to accentutate our promise and how Liverpool are in terminal decline/bobbing around as best of the rest but they still have decent players and huge resources. After a transitional season they will be a better team next season possibly even if Suarez leaves. Weren't their stats showing better results in his absence? I think they'd cope better if he left than Everton would with Fellaini/Baines leaving and I'd expect Liverpool to finish ahead of their neighbours next season.
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What happened Draper after a very good start to his Villa career? Seem to remember him coming on to good effect in UEFA cup ties under Gregory but was it off pitch issues that caused the fall of grace in the first place?
Savo had great ability and was a huge signing for the club at the time. Remember being so excited when we signed him, young player with a phenomenal scoring record in Belgrade. Didn't work out though.
Out of the three, Southgate was the unheralded one but turned out to be a great player for us. Jagielka esque signing from Little at the time.
It could be that Bacuna may turn out to be the most successful of this lot.
Draper was loaned to Rayo Vallecan in 1999/2000, then sold to Southampton and played 24 games with them and left the game.
He made a comeback in non league football in 2009, did some stints of coaching with Arnold Town and before that Radford FC before leaving the game for other business. Draper's Villa appearances were his Swan Song.
He was a tidy midfielder.
Gary Charles was brought in by Little in 1995 as a right back along with Ian Taylor and Savo.
If you remember it was only that 1-1 draw with Norwich City on the last day that kept us from relegation. Little had a number of aging stars that needed to be moved on so yes, this Summer does indeed have that Summer of 1995 feel to it.
The difference though is that Brian Little had Deadly to deal with on the money front and would have been somewhat limited in that way. Lambert on the other hand has earned the full backing of the Board (so far) and will be afforded the opportunity to implement his brand of entertaining quality football.
For a few of those reasons alone and if Lambert does indeed complete the Luna and Helenius transfers this coming week I would have to say that I feel better about Aston Villa's future after this summer than I have in more years than I care to remember.
I was excited about the Summer that Lerner bought the club off Deadly and there was a level of optimism with MON as manager but it was different.
Lambert's coaching philosophy is not dissimilar to Jurgen Klop. Klop tells us that he loves his club. There are signs that Paul Lambert loves Aston Villa. If that be so, then we have even more right to be not just happy but ecstatic about what Paul Lamber is doing at B6.
How long is it since we have had a manager that loved Aston Villa? Hmmmm yes.. it could be since Brian Little..now what year was that ? ;)
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John Gregory loved us i believe, maybe not as much as the sound of his own voice!
Sgt mark 2 also was since Brian Little...
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This site is un recognisable from this time last year. Doom and gloom replaced by positive posts. UTV.
We haven't started playing yet! Just wait till we're 1-0 down on the first day of the season. The R word will come out
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
Not quite for me. Back then we had a half decent side and we signed some good players. We thought we were getting closer to good things as in winning trophies. I'm not sure how is that comparable to now.Excitement wise, maybe, but with lower expectation levels.
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
Not quite for me. Back then we had a half decent side and we signed some good players. We thought we were getting closer to good things as in winning trophies. I'm not sure how is that comparable to now.Excitement wise, maybe, but with lower expectation levels.
Back then we'd escaped relegation on the last day and didn't expect to do much better.
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We were closer to relegation in '95 than we were last season. We were also strongly tipped to struggle the following season, and from what I remember us Villa fans weren't much more optimistic until after the first game.
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
Not quite for me. Back then we had a half decent side and we signed some good players. We thought we were getting closer to good things as in winning trophies. I'm not sure how is that comparable to now.Excitement wise, maybe, but with lower expectation levels.
Back then we'd escaped relegation on the last day and didn't expect to do much better.
I remember everyone being a bit underwhelmed after losing that friendly at the Stripeys, we looked really flat.
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
Not quite for me. Back then we had a half decent side and we signed some good players. We thought we were getting closer to good things as in winning trophies. I'm not sure how is that comparable to now.Excitement wise, maybe, but with lower expectation levels.
Back then we'd escaped relegation on the last day and didn't expect to do much better.
I remember everyone being a bit underwhelmed after losing that friendly at the Stripeys, we looked really flat.
And it all changed after the 1st game of the season. Very bright, sunny and hot day. The football was fucking great that day when we sent the Glorymonger's fans back to their hovels in Surrey, Cambridge and Cornwall tails between their legs.
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I had forgot that friendly. We missed the first twenty minutes trying to get into the shit hole.
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Mardon and Raven spent the whole game kicking the crap out of Savo, pair of third division cloggers.
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I went over to wiki to refresh my memories on 94/95 and found the passage below to be particularly intersting:
Before the season was over, a new era was already in the making at Villa Park. A number of players now past their best were off-loaded to new clubs; these included Ray Houghton, Garry Parker, Kevin Richardson and Earl Barrett. The close season saw more players from the Atkinson era pass through the Villa Park exit door; Shaun Teale, Dalian Atkinson, Dean Saunders and John Fashanu. Little brought in younger players like Mark Draper, Ian Taylor, Savo Milosevic, Nii Lamptey, Carl Tiler, Gary Charles and Alan Wright, to give some much-needed strength to a side of fading stars as well as giving such much-needed hope to fans of a club which had been rescued from the threat of a rapid decline.
I had actually forgotten that we were that close to relegation but it was an unusual season.
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I had forgot that friendly. We missed the first twenty minutes trying to get into the shit hole.
Twas ever thus.
You'd have thought it was a title decider, useless bastards.
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Remember the summer of 95?
We signed relatively un known players .
We had a young manager on the way up
We had a tough season the year before
I am getting same excitement levels this summer , we had then and its looking really positive .
Not quite for me. Back then we had a half decent side and we signed some good players. We thought we were getting closer to good things as in winning trophies. I'm not sure how is that comparable to now.Excitement wise, maybe, but with lower expectation levels.
Back then we'd escaped relegation on the last day and didn't expect to do much better.
The summer we signed Draper, Southgate, and Savo? Don't agree with that. the didn't expect to do much better, bit.
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It was a lot easier then to go from a dog of a season to be challenging near the top the next.
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I remember Dean Saunders and Dalian Atkinson leaving and thinking "Oh no!". But then Brian Little just said "Not to worry, we've still got Dwight Yorke". And I thought "Oh yeah!"
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I went over to wiki to refresh my memories on 94/95 and found the passage below to be particularly intersting:
Before the season was over, a new era was already in the making at Villa Park. A number of players now past their best were off-loaded to new clubs; these included Ray Houghton, Garry Parker, Kevin Richardson and Earl Barrett. The close season saw more players from the Atkinson era pass through the Villa Park exit door; Shaun Teale, Dalian Atkinson, Dean Saunders and John Fashanu. Little brought in younger players like Mark Draper, Ian Taylor, Savo Milosevic, Nii Lamptey, Carl Tiler, Gary Charles and Alan Wright, to give some much-needed strength to a side of fading stars as well as giving such much-needed hope to fans of a club which had been rescued from the threat of a rapid decline.
I had actually forgotten that we were that close to relegation but it was an unusual season.
A pedant writes: Little didn't buy Lamptey.
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Min of 6th.
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And Little did sign Charles but that was the previous January.
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And Little did sign Charles but that was the previous January.
Yes, along with Alan Wright and Tommy Johnson.