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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IFWaters on June 10, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
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We havent given this one a run out for a while. What with all the stuff in the news about the politicians saying the country needs to spend big on infrastructure, isnt it time Villa did the same and get rid of the abomination of the North Stand once and for all ? If Lambert can return us to nearer the top it would be good to have the stand ready for all the gloryhunters to come back to.
What design would you like to see ?
- Continue the Trinity round a la Newcastle (a great big corner stand)
- seperate stand - match the Holte ?
- just return it to a large grassy knoll ?
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I kind of liked what Bolton did at their old ground, i'd put a supermarket there.
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I kind of liked what Bolton did at their old ground, i'd put a supermarket there.
Aye, on the spot where 35 Bolton fans were killed 60 odd years ago. What a tribute.
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Destroy the Trinity too and rebuild it with the north.
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I think we need to plough all our resources into changing the name of the Doug Ellis stand back to Witton Lane.
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lick of paint in these times of austerity please
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We could sell Benteke to finance it.
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I love it. The tiny concourse, tight stairwells, the boxes with curtins, that original concrete finish, the chocolate brown steelwork everything about it screams the 70's.
Keep it.
Forever.
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Put a good team on the pitch for a sustained period of time and all good things will follow.
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
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A bit of sand-blasting wouldn't go amiss. Or a good scrub down with a power washer.
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Probably a long way off developing the north stand just at the minute. I wonder if the club will wait to see how any safe standing trials turn out and if there would be sufficient demand to introduce a safe standing area into a redeveloped north stand that had been designed specifically for that purpose?
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We could sell Benteke to finance it.
is that you Doug ?
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Put a good team on the pitch for a sustained period of time and all good things will follow.
I think that if we get off to a reasonable start next season we would be filling up for pretty much for all of our home matches.
So might be worth looking to increase capacity, providing we keep our No1 assett. PL.
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Big no to rounded corners. I much prefer 4 distinct stands. I actually think replacing the seats and fittings and giving the whole thing a bit of cladding would enough - think the New Street Redesign - the time and cost of knocking it down isn't really worth it for me.
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This....
lick of paint in these times of austerity please
...or at least this...
A bit of sand-blasting wouldn't go amiss. Or a good scrub down with a power washer.
And a special mention for "most Brummie-sounding" post to
I love it. The tiny concourse, tight stairwells, the boxes with curtins, that original concrete finish, the chocolate brown steelwork everything about it screams the 70's.
Keep it.
Forever.
Bostin.
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
Looks good to me
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I'd like them to put something like the lion that used to be on the Trinity on top of it, make it look a bit different and special rather than looking like any stand anywhere.
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It just needs to be wider - the width of the pitch - so with some create architecture and planning surely we could extend the top tier and remodel the lower? Then we could put the away fans in the top corner and minimise their support and create a safe standing are downstairs should we ever get the chance.
From the back it looks like a tinker's caravan with those awful curtains.
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Maybe hang on to see if anything develops regarding the safe-standing initiative. I can't imagine it'd be cheap to convert a section of The Holte, and I can't envisage anything in there other than the "terrace" section being confined to the lower wings. If standing does return, a purpose-built lower Witton End would be the way to go.
Until then, just clean the sodding thing.
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It looks a right state from the outside. It really could do with a good clean. Seats are cramped in the lower as they just bolted them onto the terracing, i'd be fecked if I didn't have an aisle seat. I still quite like it though, probably because it's the only original stand left from my early days.
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I still quite like it though, probably because it's the only original stand left from my early days.
It's an abomination. Bring back the grassy knoll from my early days.
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
Looks good to me
Yeah I like it.
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Big no to rounded corners. I much prefer 4 distinct stands. I actually think replacing the seats and fittings and giving the whole thing a bit of cladding would enough - think the New Street Redesign - the time and cost of knocking it down isn't really worth it for me.
Like Anfield. Not one angled seat in the place? It's awful. Rounded corners maximise space and veiwing quality.
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I think the old North Stand unfortunately serves a purpose. It allows those who maybe can't afford or are unwilling to pay Premier League prices the opportunity to watch the Villa. A new stand would need paying for, and no doubt it would come from the fans pockets. I reckon that if we we're to have a new stand where it costs the same as the Holte End we'd have a stadium with 10,000 empty seats. Apart from Liverpool and Man Utd you can roll up to Villa Park the day before the game and buy a ticket anyway, never mind with an extra 10,000 seats in a new stand.
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A sustained period of success including silverware and the odd stint in the CL and maybe there might be a need for a new North Stand/Witton End. Otherwise just clean up what's there, a lick of paint and put a few lights around the place.
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Legroom might be tight, but the view from the upper tier of the existing North is very good.
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Big no to rounded corners. I much prefer 4 distinct stands. I actually think replacing the seats and fittings and giving the whole thing a bit of cladding would enough - think the New Street Redesign - the time and cost of knocking it down isn't really worth it for me.
Like Anfield. Not one angled seat in the place? It's awful. Rounded corners maximise space and veiwing quality.
No character though, rounded corners and oval stadiums all have a bit of an 'identikit' feel to them. I'd prefer another stand similar to the holte at that end, with the brick front, etc. It just makes the club and ground feel like the historic place it is.
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Big no to rounded corners. I much prefer 4 distinct stands. I actually think replacing the seats and fittings and giving the whole thing a bit of cladding would enough - think the New Street Redesign - the time and cost of knocking it down isn't really worth it for me.
Me to. I like 4 stands. I would simply have c5,000 seat on the bottom leading up to a big concourse and then a wider version on top 5,500- maybe with a roundish frame - like The Oval
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
Looks good to me
looks like a carbon copy of every other modern ground to me
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I like the cheap and cheerful option to keep costs and ticket prices in it down.
Perhaps just make it one massive tier and a family / locals stand with cheap catering underneath. 10,000 would be about right, perhaps a football museum under part of it.
And i'd like a tower in the corner. About 300 feet high. Not sure what in it - perhaps a bell tower so the bells can ring for claret and blues. And a massive neon club badge with the blinking eye of Sauron atop, looking over all of Birmingham and down on our smelly local rivals.
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The ground as a whole has too many bad seats. I don't see any point in layout out a large capital sum just to add another 5-7,000 to capacity.
If we do anything about the ground, it needs to be something a good deal more imaginative than redevelop the Witton end or fill in the corners.
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looks like a carbon copy of every other modern ground to me
This ^
I too would really like to see it redeveloped but if it is I'd want to see something different, not just a corner being filled in or something. That picture just looks like a small scale Old Trafford.
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I like the cheap and cheerful option to keep costs and ticket prices in it down.
Perhaps just make it one massive tier and a family / locals stand with cheap catering underneath. 10,000 would be about right, perhaps a football museum under part of it.
And i'd like a tower in the corner. About 300 feet high. Not sure what in it - perhaps a bell tower so the bells can ring for claret and blues. And a massive neon club badge with the blinking eye of Sauron atop, looking over all of Birmingham and down on our smelly local rivals.
THAT COULD FIRE A LASER :D
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is chestnut 1044 tilting the big screen between Doug and Witton end so I can see it in the Trinity?
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Don't think we have the cash at the moment to do anything to the ground. Something does need to be done with The North Stand though.
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Didn't they give the back of it a good clean up around the time Lerner took over? Could definitely do with the same again. I don't think we need a new stand though.
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It's shit, but I like it.
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
Looks good to me
looks like a carbon copy of every other modern ground to me
Big no from me. If you fill that corner in but not the others then it means you have a lopsided stadium. Either go the whole hog and make it rounded all the way around or keep the 4 stands separate. Personally, I prefer separate stands as it marks us out as different from the Sunderlands, Middlesboros. Leicesters etc.
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I presume having that vile skeletal nonsense on the roof of your stand is the cheapest way to build a cantilevered one these days. It does make you wonder how older grounds like Craven Cottage and Goodison manage to stay upright.
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Give it a glass roof and a John Lewis like New St but with a Wonkavator in it.
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Clean it up a bit, but we should keep it exactly as it is. The one surviving stand to have witnessed the glory days of 80/82 - plus part of the reason why those days were so short lived.
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Clean it up a bit, but we should keep it exactly as it is. The one surviving stand to have witnessed the glory days of 80/82 - plus part of the reason why those days were so short lived.
Yep, it's been so bad for so long it's now becoming good
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Give it a glass roof and a John Lewis like New St but with a Wonkavator in it.
Proud History Bright Future Pure Imagination
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Free ever lasting gobstoppers for all but you can't stick them on ebay so Slugworth can discover the secrets.
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The other case for sticking with 4 stands - how many grounds with a pitch well renowned for it's quality have the corners filled in?
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By the way, given my unhealthy knowledge of that film, it explains the Veruca Salt reference that someone said they laughed at in one of my latter articles last year when describing the four eyed bottle job.
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The old Wembley stadium had what was regarded as the finest pitch in the country. Until they let the horse of the year show in. That , as you can imagine, wrecked it. It was never the same again.
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
A massive one-tier stand would have no place for executive boxes, denying the club a source of income, so I wouldn't want to see that happening.
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It's shit, but I like it.
I've always liked how the replays of goals filmed at the North Stand end capture the fans celebrating in front of the camera.
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
A massive one-tier stand would have no place for executive boxes, denying the club a source of income, so I wouldn't want to see that happening.
Actually that's a really good reason to do it. There's plenty of that in the Trinity. This stand should be for families and the hoi polloi. Cheap as chips. And move the away fans to the Holte end of the Wit ton so that they can shit themselves at how really very big and loud it is.
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I want something to be inspiring like the classic Trinity Road Stand in North Stand but we can built it bigger and better than the Holte End. We doesn't need a boring modern stand like the one above. It need something very special and then we can charge lot of money for hospitably. The Holte end suffers due to road restriction on Trinity Road side. But North Stand doesn't have this problem. We need to use make it a historical stand.
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I think it would be worth looking at the new generation of stadiums in the US for ideas. Plenty of character, loads of fan facilities and innovative designs.
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It's shit, but I like it.
I've always liked how the replays of goals filmed at the North Stand end capture the fans celebrating in front of the camera.
I've liked seeing that but only since our fans have been sitting there.
Another vote for keeping 4 separate stands.
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
A massive one-tier stand would have no place for executive boxes, denying the club a source of income, so I wouldn't want to see that happening.
Have you seen how empty the Trinity middle is for 90% of the games?
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I presume having that vile skeletal nonsense on the roof of your stand is the cheapest way to build a cantilevered one these days. It does make you wonder how older grounds like Craven Cottage and Goodison manage to stay upright.
Well they put great big posts in them to hold the roof up and stop you seeing!!!
(http://worldsoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/efc.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-5fW11rjk04/TUPoCPfwM_I/AAAAAAAAAQg/buunCMsNyMw/s1600/Craven+Cottage+15.jpg)
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Didn't they give the back of it a good clean up around the time Lerner took over? Could definitely do with the same again. I don't think we need a new stand though.
Yes, they cleaned it up not long after Lerner took over. The trouble with concrete though is that it ages very badly and the dirt quickly builds up.
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I presume having that vile skeletal nonsense on the roof of your stand is the cheapest way to build a cantilevered one these days. It does make you wonder how older grounds like Craven Cottage and Goodison manage to stay upright.
Well they put great big posts in them to hold the roof up and stop you seeing!!!
Fair point!
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(http://astonvillacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/north_stand_zoom_wc2018_bidbook.jpg)
That would look pretty snazzy.
I like this but not sure about building all those houses in Aston park?
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is chestnut 1044 tilting the big screen between Doug and Witton end so I can see it in the Trinity?
That is when Trinity residents are awake!
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
(http://borussiadortmund.net/wp-content/gallery/stadium/borussia-dortmund-stadium-22.jpg)
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The other case for sticking with 4 stands - how many grounds with a pitch well renowned for it's quality have the corners filled in?
Arsenal.
That's a case for 10+ years ago. With modern pitches & technology most pitches a pretty much perfect all year.
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
(http://borussiadortmund.net/wp-content/gallery/stadium/borussia-dortmund-stadium-22.jpg)
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I think that's the small stand at Dortmund too. The big one behind the goal, the Sudtribune, holds 25,000!!!
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
I WANT ONE...!I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
(http://borussiadortmund.net/wp-content/gallery/stadium/borussia-dortmund-stadium-22.jpg)
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
You mean a bit like this...
(http://borussiadortmund.net/wp-content/gallery/stadium/borussia-dortmund-stadium-22.jpg)
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I WANT ONE...!
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
I WANT ONE...!I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I WANT ONE...!
You've got two there!!
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
I WANT ONE...!I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I WANT ONE...!
You've got two there!!
It does look fucking brilliant though.
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I'd be worried that a rounded North Stand would make the Holte stick out like a sore thumb. The pressure would be on to then *modify* the Holte and then the ground would be an odd-shaped bowl.
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That Dortmund end is amazing. Anything like that would just be the business.
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I think that's the small stand at Dortmund too. The big one behind the goal, the Sudtribune, holds 25,000!!!
And the Holte held 28,000. Want one- we had one.
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That Dortmund end is amazing. Anything like that would just be the business.
That is the Sud Tribune
So we could have the Nord Tribune
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I think that's the small stand at Dortmund too. The big one behind the goal, the Sudtribune, holds 25,000!!!
The old Holte was bigger.
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A return to the Grassy Knoll would be a big improvement on how it looks now, or maybe put a rock face there like Braga did.
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I think that's the small stand at Dortmund too. The big one behind the goal, the Sudtribune, holds 25,000!!!
The old Holte was bigger.
I know it was. It was also knocked down 20 years ago whilst Dortmund still have theirs.
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I suggest we elect a committee here and send the honourable members to Dortmund to find out how to build a proper football stadium. Any volunteers?
About 10,000 safe standing to start with should be on the list.
You mean a bit like this...
in all fairness, that's a little bit fucking ace
I think that's the small stand at Dortmund too. The big one behind the goal, the Sudtribune, holds 25,000!!!
The old Holte was bigger.
I know it was. It was also knocked down 20 years ago whilst Dortmund still have theirs.
Also, the old Holte might have held more (23,600 I seem to recall being the figure in the 80s at least) but the stand at Dortmund has to adhere to safe standing requirements, which means more space per supporter, which makes it by definition physically much bigger.
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I'd like something like the Birdcage (Olympics 2008) so that Gabby could run around the top of it and confuse the opposition.
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The current stand has few admirers. It really takes away from the rest of the stadium.It looks ok in the Witton corner but the Trinity just makes it look ridiculous.
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A mirror of the Holte end would be good for me, but the "Lower North" would be a safe standing area.
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I sound like a stuck record on this subject but I love the North Stand ( well, the view of it from the pitch, at least). The finest example of its kind in the country and the blueprint for dozens of other clubs' more inferior stands. Pioneering, ahead of its time, it'll be missed by me if it ever goes.
Thankfully/hopefully, it won't be going anywhere for a few years at least.
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Wasn't there some shennanigans involved with the building of this stand in the 70's?
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Love the view, hate the legroom and concourse madness
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I sound like a stuck record on this subject but I love the North Stand ( well, the view of it from the pitch, at least). The finest example of its kind in the country and the blueprint for dozens of other clubs' more inferior stands. Pioneering, ahead of its time, it'll be missed by me if it ever goes.
Thankfully/hopefully, it won't be going anywhere for a few years at least.
Are you Doug Ellis in disguise?
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Wasn't there some shennanigans involved with the building of this stand in the 70's?
Loads.
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I think the north stand is a monstrosity, but George Orwell thought the same about the Sagrada Família.
I think the parallels are obvious
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Wasn't there some shennanigans involved with the building of this stand in the 70's?
Loads.
Probably been a lot of shagging in it since too.
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I sound like a stuck record on this subject but I love the North Stand ( well, the view of it from the pitch, at least). The finest example of its kind in the country and the blueprint for dozens of other clubs' more inferior stands. Pioneering, ahead of its time, it'll be missed by me if it ever goes.
Thankfully/hopefully, it won't be going anywhere for a few years at least.
Looking at it from the pitch I'd say it's one of the ugliest stands in the top two divisions. It has always looked out of place from the day it was built and the sooner it goes the better.
Having said that, the priority at the moment should be in upgrading the cars in the car park at Bodymoor Heath and in ensuring their agents can afford to heat their pools 24 hours a day.
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It was a fantastic stand when it was built. Set the standard for a number of stands around the country that followed after. However like a lot of buildings built in the 70's, time hasn't been kind to it.
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How can you say it looked out of place when it was built, when at the time it was the most modern stand in the country?
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Bring back the A V floodlights and the advertisement for bovril where Willie Anderson fell over or so says Andy Lochhead in the Air.
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
A massive one-tier stand would have no place for executive boxes, denying the club a source of income, so I wouldn't want to see that happening.
Actually that's a really good reason to do it. There's plenty of that in the Trinity. This stand should be for families and the hoi polloi. Cheap as chips. And move the away fans to the Holte end of the Wit ton so that they can shit themselves at how really very big and loud it is.
remember when we extended the roof of the holte and it joined with the roof on the witton lane? It would be great if we could build a big f-off cheap and cheerful single tier end at the witton end which joined up with the other two stands but no corners and no boxes or corporate facilities and fill it with 12-15k 10 quid seats. It would be amazing when we had a half decent side and it would be close to full , but I suppose it would look a bit shit if we were doing badly and a big expanse of blue plastic on a Monday night against Sunderland.
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I think it should have 4,000 standing space in high safety environment then 5 thousands seats then box above them for fat cat and then 8,000 seats above. But it have to look right and well designed to do this.
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A massive one tier stand please, when the need is there.
A massive one-tier stand would have no place for executive boxes, denying the club a source of income, so I wouldn't want to see that happening.
Actually that's a really good reason to do it. There's plenty of that in the Trinity. This stand should be for families and the hoi polloi. Cheap as chips. And move the away fans to the Holte end of the Wit ton so that they can shit themselves at how really very big and loud it is.
remember when we extended the roof of the holte and it joined with the roof on the witton lane? It would be great if we could build a big f-off cheap and cheerful single tier end at the witton end which joined up with the other two stands but no corners and no boxes or corporate facilities and fill it with 12-15k 10 quid seats. It would be amazing when we had a half decent side and it would be close to full , but I suppose it would look a bit shit if we were doing badly and a big expanse of blue plastic on a Monday night against Sunderland.
those blue seats have annoyed me for years, why not mix Claret and Blue seats together(like that cricket ground in Australia) and have the seats in the name of the stands in white ?
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A Major refurb` i reckon, extend the thing backwards because its a bit claustraphobic underneath, more bars, etc`, apparently the Doug and Trinity were designed to dovetail with the North via rounded corner units, trouble is that would leave the Holte looking a bit isolated, also the drying/drainage of the pitch would be adversley affected. We just dont need a 55.000 seater at the moment, maybe if a World cup came along...........
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A Major refurb` i reckon, extend the thing backwards because its a bit claustraphobic underneath, more bars, etc`, apparently the Doug and Trinity were designed to dovetail with the North via rounded corner units, trouble is that would leave the Holte looking a bit isolated, also the drying/drainage of the pitch would be adversley affected. We just dont need a 55.000 seater at the moment, maybe if a World cup came along...........
Which, incidentally aint gonna happen as long as that slimy bastard Blatter is still alive.
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A Major refurb` i reckon, extend the thing backwards because its a bit claustraphobic underneath, more bars, etc`, apparently the Doug and Trinity were designed to dovetail with the North via rounded corner units, trouble is that would leave the Holte looking a bit isolated, also the drying/drainage of the pitch would be adversley affected. We just dont need a 55.000 seater at the moment, maybe if a World cup came along...........
http://stadiums.football.co.uk/Images/Photos/Large/8-0.jpg
Extend the North and fill in the corners to the Trinity and the Doug and leave the Holte as it is. Would look fine. Maybe put the AV floodlights at the Holte, would look fantastic imo, exec boxes can be built in the North and any safe standing area would go in the Holte.