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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: neo_Villan on May 20, 2013, 01:30:38 PM
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With it clear that there will be a major clearout of some sort this summer, most of the outgoing players will need replacing. Fitting in with our policy it is likely some of those replacements will be some of our Reserve/Youth lads. So which ones are ready to make the step up? I would imagine Siegrist is ready to become our number two Keeper. Derrick Williams could bolster our defensive options. Daniel Johnson is too good for the reserves now IMO and could provide some goals from midfield. Carruthers should be in the first team already but I get the feeling Lambert either doesn't rate him, or doesn't like his attitude. One of Drennan/Burke also probably. I'm not sure which one of the two is more ready for the first team though as I rate them pretty equally. I think the likes of Grealish and Graham might be a little raw right now and I'd rather both are loaned out next season. I'd like to hear your thoughts though as I am not as knowledgeable as some when it comes to the youth lads.
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Out of all the players you listed, I'd most like to see Carruthers and Johnson get a chance. All of them, though, could do with a nice long period out on loan in the championship (or even abroad?), as I think Bannan/Clark/Baker et al have suffered from being thrown right in at the deep end.
Also, am I right in thinking Drennan is more of a winger than an out and out striker? If so he could fit in very nicely with the 4-3-3.
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Callum Robinson could be worth having a look at.
I would like to see a few go out on loan to decent Championship or League one clubs.
Although I haven't seen a great deal of him, Daniel Johnson reminds me of a Fabian Delph style player, so maybe he'll get used as a back up in some way.
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Grealish looked brilliant against Lisbon in the Next Gen semi
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What's happened to Jordan Bowery?
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Grealish looked brilliant against Lisbon in the Next Gen semi
I think grealish will become a great attacking midfielder, I love the way he goes past people, looks really casual but is very effective.
I think Robinson will be a very good player as cover for gabby/weimann, he has the skill, pace and work rate to be very effective in that 'inside forward' role.
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Like to see Samir , GG and Grealish on the bench for nxt season
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I want our kids to be part of the first only if they are good enough and not because the first team squad lacks depth. Irrespective of how good they might they need to be mature enough to handle the expectations of first team status. That's why the top teams, when you do so one of their academy graduate they look so much more ready. They have often been on loan, and they are simply as good or better than the first teamer they have replaced.
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Grealish looks effortless when he drifts past players, could have a big future. Johnson had a good pre season last year, be interesting to see if he figures much this summer. Would like to see a few more loaned out next season.
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Johnson didn't have a great loan time at Yeovil, did he? seem to recall he was sent back early - perhaps someone can give us the full story.
Have been saying for years now that while we have been praising our younger players for winning/doing well in the reserve league, other teams have their younger players out getting the hard grind of the Championship/Div 1 so they are "battle hardened" when they come back and also appreciate what they have at their parent club in the way of facilities/coaches etc.
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Grealish looked brilliant against Lisbon in the Next Gen semi
He's brilliant on Football Manager too.
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Lets send a few on loan first, particularly carruthers, Devine, Johnson and possibly the three young forwards from the youth team - or at least Burke who I think is older. The gulf in class is so huge that I think it's too much of a jump unless the kids are truly exceptional. And I'm not sure any of them are performing to that level.
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From what i've seen which is not a great deal, i'd say Donacein and Carruthers.
Michael Drennan looks ok as well.
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With it clear that there will be a major clearout of some sort this summer, most of the outgoing players will need replacing. Fitting in with our policy it is likely some of those replacements will be some of our Reserve/Youth lads. So which ones are ready to make the step up? I would imagine Siegrist is ready to become our number two Keeper. Derrick Williams could bolster our defensive options. Daniel Johnson is too good for the reserves now IMO and could provide some goals from midfield. Carruthers should be in the first team already but I get the feeling Lambert either doesn't rate him, or doesn't like his attitude. One of Drennan/Burke also probably. I'm not sure which one of the two is more ready for the first team though as I rate them pretty equally. I think the likes of Grealish and Graham might be a little raw right now and I'd rather both are loaned out next season. I'd like to hear your thoughts though as I am not as knowledgeable as some when it comes to the youth lads.
Burke will never be more than a journeyman. We do however have several with the skill factor required Grealish being the stand out. Callum
Robinson must have impressed Lambert with his non stop running in the next Gen.
Samir Carruthers you get the feeling should break through but all players have to impress the manager in everything involved with the club.
Carruthers to me at least comes across as a bit of a big head. I wonder what K Mac thought of him.
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
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Devine had been released. We HAVE to use the loan system properly. Carruthers should have been on loan by now. Johnson at Yeovil just didn't work. Burke needs a season loan maybe Swindon. Williams, Siegrist, Gardner need to be 1st team squad. Donacien another who needs a loan. The likes of Grealish, Graham, Robinson, Webb, Lewis and Kinsella need to play regularly in Under 21 league.
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Let's hope that Gardner can keep injury free and continue his development with the first team squad.
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
Ive watched him six or seven times in full games. Just my opinion. Yours is different. I hope you are right.
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
Ive watched him six or seven times in full games. Just my opinion. Yours is different. I hope you are right.
I don't have an opinion because there's nothing to form an opinion on. He's never played a full game for the first team yet you've deemed him a journeyman based on a handful of games at youth level. I find that rather bizarre.
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Gardner, Carruthers and Grealish.
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Jack Grealish was in with Villa fans at Wigan loving the atmosphere.
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I think Gardner is already a confirmed member of the first team squad. He was involved before his Cruciate and he was involved as soon as he was fit to play a part again.
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
Most of the better players usually have a few games under their belt at that age.
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I remember Gabby went out on loan and didn't have too great a time but he's done alright for himselg.
Bannan and Delfenouso too but can't see them having the career Gabby has had up to now.
Not saying being on loan is a bad thing, for some reason it doesn't always work out.
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
Most of the better players usually have a few games under their belt at that age.
Only world class one's. Not sure just how much you expect of him.
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I think a lot of our youngsters (especially from the nextgen squad, but not exclusively) would benefit from a loan out, even if it's just half a season. Personally, I would try to use them as sweeteners in transfer deals with clubs like Burnley or Crewe for example whereby we're offering them a replacement for the player we're trying to get so they'd be more inclined to release our target to us rather than elsewhere and do so more quickly.
Just a thought, what do you think?
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How in the hell do you know that Burke will never be more than a journeyman? He's bleeding 19!!
Most of the better players usually have a few games under their belt at that age.
Not really. Very few make their debuts and are immediately the player of their potential. Most players mature with a bit of experience. It is also often a case of being in the right situation or system. Finally a massive intangible becomes the player himself and his mental capacity to succeed. All of this needs to come together. We shouldn't be judging Burke or any of these academy kids too soon and expecting too much. There is certainly no correlation between having played in the first team at 18 or 19 and becoming a top player. Players develop at different rates all over the world and only the truly exceptional are that way from a very early age. There is no body of work to determine either way how Burke, Grealish, Gardner etc will eventually pan out.
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I was surprised that Carruthers didn't get a chance this season. I thought he looked decent in short glimpses we saw him last season and thought that he might feature more.
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I wonder if Carruthers has upset Lambert? It does seem strange as he impressed me in his few appearances last season but didn't get a sniff this one.
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Someone in an earlier post said Carruthers is a bit of a 'big head' and I wouldn't be suprised if it is something to do with that. Especially considering how much emphasis Lambert places on a player having the right attitude. A real shame as I thought he looked class in the NextGen final.
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