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Title: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 09:36:33 PM
Now that the season is over who do you think should be moved on ?

I have given my opinion below.
Some are in the "In" column as they are yet to prove if they are up to the standard required or not.
Some are in the "Out" column as we just need them off the wage bill.
Some have shown that they are not up to the standard required so for me it's goodbye and thanks.
For some, it's just goodbye and good riddance.

22    Brad Guzan   In    
1    Shay Given   Out
33    Andy Marshall   In    
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In    
4    Ron Vlaar  In    
2    Alan Hutton   Out
27    Joe Bennett   In        
5    Richard Dunne   Out   
6    Ciaran Clarke   In    
29    Enda Stevens   In    
30    Eric Lichaj   Out    
32    Nathan Baker   In    
34    Matthew Lowton   In    
37    Derrick Williams   In    
7    Stephen Ireland   Out    
8    Karim El Ahmadi   Out    
10    Charles N’Zogbia   Out    
12    Marb Albrighton   Out    
14    Brett Holman   Out    
16    Fabian Delph   In    
15    Ashley Westwood   In
18   Yacouba Sylla   In        
25    Barry Bannan   Out
31    Chris Herd   In    
35    Daniel Johnson   In    
38    Gary Gardner   In   
40    Samir Carruthers   In    
9    Darren Bent   Out
23    Nathan Delfouneso   Out    
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In    
20    Christian Benteke   In    
21    Jordan Bowery   In    
26    Andreas Weimann   In    
36    Graham Burke   In    

 
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 09:38:14 PM
Doh !
Can a mod please move this to the appropriate place ?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 09:40:48 PM
What about Bennett, Makoun, Sylla and Fonz?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2013, 09:43:20 PM
I'd keep KEA, Bennett but other than that I'd agree probably if possible.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
What about the players we want to shake all about?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
What about Bennett, Makoun, Sylla and Fonz?

Makoun is off any way isn't he ?
I have added in the others.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2013, 09:48:21 PM
Out- As many as we can from:
Hutton, Makoun, Ireland, Dunne, Bent, N'Zogbia (cash in if poss, replace with more reliable player), Bannan, Delfouneso, Given, Marshall, Holman, Alby, Lichaj.

Obviously we're barely gonna shift half. But in the next 2-3 windows, all the above should move on IMO.

Replace with 4-5 quality signings this summer. Supplement as and where we need in January with 2-3 in.

Done.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
22    Brad Guzan   In   
1    Shay Given   Out
33    Andy Marshall   Out   
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In   
4    Ron Vlaar  In   
2    Alan Hutton   Out
27    Joe Bennett   In       
5    Richard Dunne   Out   
6    Ciaran Clark   In   
29    Enda Stevens   Out   
30    Eric Lichaj   In (useful as a squad player atm due to being versatile)
32    Nathan Baker   In   
34    Matthew Lowton   In   
37    Derrick Williams   In   
7    Stephen Ireland   Out   
8    Karim El Ahmadi   In   
10    Charles N’Zogbia   Borderline in   
12    Marb Albrighton   Out   
14    Brett Holman   Out   
16    Fabian Delph   In   
15    Ashley Westwood   In
18   Yacouba Sylla   In       
25    Barry Bannan   Out
31    Chris Herd   In   
35    Daniel Johnson   In   
38    Gary Gardner   In   
40    Samir Carruthers   In   
9    Darren Bent   Out
23    Nathan Delfouneso   Out   
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In   
20    Christian Benteke   In   
21    Jordan Bowery   In  (but out on loan) 
26    Andreas Weimann   In   
36    Graham Burke   In   
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 09:49:17 PM
What about the players we want to shake all about?

I'd like to shake Stephen Ireland all about, by the throat.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 09:51:10 PM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?

50 crates of Pot Noodles.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?

Personally I'd keep him and give him one last go. Otherwise £1.5m potentially rising to £3m.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 09:55:37 PM
Rather than list every player would it not be easier to just do an out list?

Bent, Ireland, dunne, albrighton, kea, bannan , Holman , nzogbia, Stevens.hutton, Fonz.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?

Personally I'd keep him and give him one last go. Otherwise £1.5m potentially rising to £3m.

6 goals in about 20 starts and 20 sub appearances in the Championship I think it is. I think he's going to be another Byfield. Will do well in say the third tier but will struggle much higher than that.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2013, 09:56:05 PM
I'd keep all the players signed in the last 12months, good or bad.

The remnants of the MON old guard - obviously bin them

I'd prefer to keep Bent as an insurance policy, but i guess he'll go

TSM  signings Hutton, N'Zogbia - bin them

Youth players - Delfousenso, Allbrighton - bin them. Probably give Bannon one more try

Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
No eastie, it was easier to copy and paste the full squad list from somewhere else, which for some reason was missing the 3 that I added in later.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Bully2345 on May 19, 2013, 09:58:39 PM
I wouldn't be averse to seeing the back of

Given
Hutton
Dunne
Ireland
Bent
Albrighton
Holman
Delfouneso
Bannan
Stevens
Lichaj
Herd
Baker

That's clearly too many to get rid of in the summer but it's a measure of how much work still needs to be done to the squad.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 09:59:17 PM
I'd keep all the players signed in the last 12months, good or bad.

The remnants of the MON old guard - obviously bin them

I'd prefer to keep Bent as an insurance policy, but i guess he'll go

TSM  signings Hutton, N'Zogbia - bin them

Youth players - Delfousenso, Allbrighton - bin them. Probably give Bannon one more try


What about Delfouneso, Albrighton and Bannan?  :P
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
Holy shit, am I being presumptuous that we are not going to try and snap up Dawkins on a 5 year deal ?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2013, 10:02:43 PM
22    Brad Guzan   In   
1    Shay Given   Out
33    Andy Marshall   In   
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In   
4    Ron Vlaar  In   
2    Alan Hutton   Out
27    Joe Bennett   In       
5    Richard Dunne   In - if fit   
6    Ciaran Clarke   In   
29    Enda Stevens   Out   
30    Eric Lichaj   In   
32    Nathan Baker   In   
34    Matthew Lowton   In   
37    Derrick Williams   In   
7    Stephen Ireland   Out   
8    Karim El Ahmadi   In   
10    Charles N’Zogbia   In   
12    Marb Albrighton   Out   
14    Brett Holman   Out   
16    Fabian Delph   In   
15    Ashley Westwood   In
18   Yacouba Sylla   In       
25    Barry Bannan   Out
31    Chris Herd   Out   
35    Daniel Johnson   In   
38    Gary Gardner   In   
40    Samir Carruthers   In   
9    Darren Bent   Out
23    Nathan Delfouneso   Out   
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In   
20    Christian Benteke   In   
21    Jordan Bowery   In   
26    Andreas Weimann   In   
36    Graham Burke   In   
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
I'd also cut Albrighton more slack than Bannan. Marc's had a terrible time with injuries and lack of form but I think he deserves another run. Might be hard to fit him into our current style but if he can show his crossing ability again as well as his ability to ghost in at the far post (used to team-up nicely with Downing like that) he could be an asset.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 19, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
22    Brad Guzan   In   
1    Shay Given   Out
33    Andy Marshall   In   
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In   
4    Ron Vlaar  In   
2    Alan Hutton   Out
27    Joe Bennett   In       
5    Richard Dunne   Out
6    Ciaran Clarke   In   
29    Enda Stevens   In (one more season)
30    Eric Lichaj   In   
32    Nathan Baker   In   
34    Matthew Lowton   In   
37    Derrick Williams   In   
7    Stephen Ireland   Out   
8    Karim El Ahmadi   In   
10    Charles N’Zogbia   In (have a feeling it'll be out though, as of today behind Bowery and Dawkins)   
12    Marb Albrighton   In (one more season)   
14    Brett Holman   Out   
16    Fabian Delph   In   
15    Ashley Westwood   In
18   Yacouba Sylla   In       
25    Barry Bannan   In...just.
31    Chris Herd   Out   
35    Daniel Johnson   In   
38    Gary Gardner   In   
40    Samir Carruthers   In   
9    Darren Bent   Out
23    Nathan Delfouneso   Out   
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In   
20    Christian Benteke   In   
21    Jordan Bowery   Out 
26    Andreas Weimann   In   
36    Graham Burke   In   
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
I'd also cut Albrighton more slack than Bannan. Marc's had a terrible time with injuries and lack of form but I think he deserves another run. Might be hard to fit him into our current style but if he can show his crossing ability again as well as his ability to ghost in at the far post (used to team-up nicely with Downing like that) he could be an asset.

It must be said that his fall from grace has been pretty remarkable.
When he burst on the scene he looked like the next big thing...and it all went horribly wrong for him.
He looked completely out of place on a Premier League pitch the last few seasons.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
Albrighton was borderline for me, what went against him for me was he's 24 at the end of the year and has shown little form for over 2 years. Such a shame because as ger says, he looked like he might be the real deal. I watched that season review a while ago ago and for those few months when he was on form he looked a real prospect.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 19, 2013, 10:39:20 PM
Sell: Given, Hutton, Lichaj, Dunne, Stevens, Holman, Bannan, N'Zogbia, Bent
Loan out: Bowery, Carruthers, Burke, Johnson
Sell / Release / Pay off / Anything as long as he is no longer anywhere near the Villa: Ireland

Albrighton I'd give one more year, possibly even loan him out. If we could get him back in form I still think there's a player there.

Fonz would take Bowery's squad place - is he really any worse?

Bannan I think is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out, but we have far too many average or ok centre midfielders. We need to lose some of them and get one or two of quality in. Herd may well also fall into this category but can fill in in defence and is probably a better squad option. El Ahmadi should get one more year.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
Agree with your list Peter W. Only difference would be if someone offered 7 ish million for NZogbia I would take it.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 19, 2013, 11:20:34 PM
Faulkwit- out.

The rest are no brainers
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 11:27:16 PM
Faulkwit- out.

The rest are no brainers

What?
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Agree with your list Peter W. Only difference would be if someone offered 7 ish million for NZogbia I would take it.

I'd rip someone's arm off if they offered 7m.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Ad@m on May 19, 2013, 11:38:32 PM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?

Was the Fonz 8 when he made his debut for us?!  He seems to have been playing for the U21s forever!
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2013, 05:03:43 AM
Thanks for the memories Dunne, Ireland & Hutton. Assume Given will go as he's a bit pricey as a back-up and unfortunately guess you have to say the same about Bent. I'd persist with Holman but guess he's off too and don't think it's going to happen for Bannan here.

Albeit one of them is out of contract but reckon we'll find buyers for all the other six? I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2013, 05:31:55 AM
I assume we would get a taker for the Fonz since he's still making the England under 21 squad.  What should we ask for him?

50 crates of Pot Noodles.
And some Tesco's Set of Knives coupons.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2013, 05:34:34 AM
No way we are going to able to shift Dunne, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given as they are on fat contracts which is a huge shame as they don't belong in the new LambertVilla.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: eastie on May 20, 2013, 06:43:36 AM
Albrighton was borderline for me, what went against him for me was he's 24 at the end of the year and has shown little form for over 2 years. Such a shame because as ger says, he looked like he might be the real deal. I watched that season review a while ago ago and for those few months when he was on form he looked a real prospect.

Agree, he has really lost his way in the last 2 years and at best needs a spell on loan to recover some form and confidence.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: eastie on May 20, 2013, 06:47:28 AM
No way we are going to able to shift Dunne, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given as they are on fat contracts which is a huge shame as they don't belong in the new LambertVilla.

I feel a bit sorry for given and bent that they are bracketed along with the likes of dunne and Ireland .
Bent and given are still quality players and give their best although they are not in the team , their wages are huge and it is best if both find regular football elsewhere.

The likes of dunne and Ireland are not the good pros that the other two are - as long as they leave i couldn't give a toss what happens with them.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: lovejoy on May 20, 2013, 08:56:11 AM
personally I'd pay Ireland, Dunne and Hutton off. Draw a line and move on. Chalk it up as a prank even.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2013, 08:58:54 AM
personally I'd pay Ireland, Dunne and Hutton off. Draw a line and move on. Chalk it up as a prank even.
We don't have to pay Dunne off The malingering git is out of contract. Good riddance
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Des Little on May 20, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
Those to go for me - Ireland, Given, Dunne, Holman, KEA, Bannan, Albrighton, Fonz, Dawkins. Personally I'd keep Bent if he wanted to stay and we can carry such wages fir an impact player. The rest can be given away or sold on the car boot.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2013, 09:35:22 AM
I reckon El Ahmadi might come good yet. Remember it took Petrov a while to settle and he came from a Feyenoord-sized club.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: CJ on May 20, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
Out: Hutton, Dunne (contract ends September - pay it off and get rid), Stevens, Ireland (MLS - the only place to find someone stupid enough to buy him?), Holman, Bannan, Makoun, Bent and Delfouneso, and send Dawkins back to Spurs. And of course we also sadly lose Stan.

I'd hang on to Given for another year - we need an experienced back up for Guzan and not sure Marshall or Siegrist are up to it yet. I'd also hang on to KEA and N'Zogbia, and give Albrighton one last chance to come good again but I don't hold out too much hope for that one.

That frees up wages to bring in some decent players (an experienced CB and dominant MF as an absolute minimum) and also improve contracts for the likes of Benteke and Weimann.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
I'd let go....

Ireland
Hutton
Dunne
Given
Bent (providing we have a decent replacement and fee for him)
N'Zogbia (again if we got a good offer)

I'd send Stevens and Bowery out on loan.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Loxton01 on May 20, 2013, 10:29:13 AM
For me we are at a crossroads and we need to kick on. We finished 8 points from 8th this season. Below Liverpool all sides are much of a muchness. I want to finish 8th next season and I certainly believe thats achieveable.

For me Lambert has to be ruthless this summer. Pretty much every player has had the opportunity to stake their claim. For the likes of Weimann, Westwood and recently Delph, Sylla they have taken it and have kicked on. For the likes of Bannan, Ireland, Holman, NZog they have had their chance and they need to go. We cant carry players who Lambert doesnt trust as they will be picking up a huge wage and wont be played so why have them [ala Routledge, Maloney, Beye in the MON days].

We need a squad of 22 players next season plus a few kids e.g. Gardner, Williams, Burke. All 22 players need to be players Lambert is prepared to play at any time in the season.

My OUTS

Given, Stevens, Dunne, Holman, Albrighton, Bannan, Ireland, Fonz, Bent, NZog, Makoun

All of the above with the exception of Makoun and Dunne who clearly wont feature again have had a chance. I think Bent has been unlucky but for the rest they have had a chance to prove themselves I just do not think they are either a) good enough or b) Lambert doesnt see them fitting into his system or his philosophy.

INS

That leaves a squad of

GK - (1) - Guzan

Defenders (6)        - Lowton, Lichaj [New Deal], Bennett, Baker, Clark, Vlaar

Midfield ( 5 )     - Sylla, Westwood, Delph, KEA [Needs to improve], Gardner, Herd

Forwards/Wingers (4)        -Benteke, Weimann, Gabby, Bowery,

Thats a total of 17 players. For me we need to go and get 5 new players. Lambert's players who are better than what we had or got rid of -we need to improve the quality now. We need a new CH a leader a presence. We need a midfielder who gets beyond the strikers to play at the tip of the three and chips in with goals. We then need 2 striker/wingers who are better and more consistent than NZog, IReland, Fonz etc.

We would generate circa 20 million from sales and if Lerner gave Lambo another 20 million he would buy better quality im convinced of that.

To move forward we have to complete the removal of the deadwood like dunne, ireland and although tough say goodbye to players Like Bannan, Fonz and Albrighton who have tried to cease their chance but just havent quite made the grade.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2013, 10:32:19 AM
No way we are going to able to shift Dunne, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given as they are on fat contracts which is a huge shame as they don't belong in the new LambertVilla.

Dunne's contract does end this summer, and there is some interest in Bent.  Bent put himself in the shop window yesterday and scored a good goal which will help.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2013, 11:13:56 AM
No way we are going to able to shift Dunne, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given as they are on fat contracts which is a huge shame as they don't belong in the new LambertVilla.

Dunne's contract does end this summer, and there is some interest in Bent.  Bent put himself in the shop window yesterday and scored a good goal which will help.

Yep - Dunne is no issue as he's out of contract.

As for the others, I can see us needing to make some form of pay off to them.  But if they're no going to figure, then that still makes financial sense.  I can see both Given and Ireland going on season long loans somewhere. 
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
Out: Hutton, Dunne (contract ends September - pay it off and get rid), Stevens, Ireland (MLS - the only place to find someone stupid enough to buy him?), Holman, Bannan, Makoun, Bent and Delfouneso, and send Dawkins back to Spurs. And of course we also sadly lose Stan.

I'd hang on to Given for another year - we need an experienced back up for Guzan and not sure Marshall or Siegrist are up to it yet. I'd also hang on to KEA and N'Zogbia, and give Albrighton one last chance to come good again but I don't hold out too much hope for that one.

That frees up wages to bring in some decent players (an experienced CB and dominant MF as an absolute minimum) and also improve contracts for the likes of Benteke and Weimann.

Yeah I would definitely give KEA another chance and would send Albrighton out on loan to see if he can recapture his early promise.  I just can't see N'Zogbia ever really producing on a regular basis so would definitely move him on if there is a buyer. 
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 11:27:07 AM
out-

Dunne , Ireland , Given , KEA , Bannan , Holman , Bowery , Eric , Fonz , Hutton , Warnock , Makoun
Stephens , Dawkins , Nzogbia , Albrighton .

They can all go for me . 
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
Out: Hutton, Dunne (contract ends September - pay it off and get rid), Stevens, Ireland (MLS - the only place to find someone stupid enough to buy him?), Holman, Bannan, Makoun, Bent and Delfouneso, and send Dawkins back to Spurs. And of course we also sadly lose Stan.

I'd hang on to Given for another year - we need an experienced back up for Guzan and not sure Marshall or Siegrist are up to it yet. I'd also hang on to KEA and N'Zogbia, and give Albrighton one last chance to come good again but I don't hold out too much hope for that one.

That frees up wages to bring in some decent players (an experienced CB and dominant MF as an absolute minimum) and also improve contracts for the likes of Benteke and Weimann.

Yeah I would definitely give KEA another chance and would send Albrighton out on loan to see if he can recapture his early promise.  I just can't see N'Zogbia ever really producing on a regular basis so would definitely move him on if there is a buyer.

Agree on KEA.  N'Zog could be an impact player from the bench, so I'd only sell if the right offer came in, which I'm not expecting.  Albrighton is better moving on as Lambert doesn't set up his sides for that type of traditional winger.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 20, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
22    Brad Guzan   In - I would also make him captain. He often leads the team 'huddle', so clearly has the respect of his teammates. 
1    Shay Given   Out - His wage could be used to strengthen other areas of the team
33    Andy Marshall   In  - I wouldn't imagine he's on much, worth keeping if only as a number.
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In - If we could bring in a solid enough keeper as back up to Guzan I would be happy for him to go out on loan though.   
4    Ron Vlaar  In - Concrete needs to be more concrete than playdoh.. I think he should either be leading the defence or be captain. I don't think he should be captain, there are too many flaws in his own game to be captain, he needs to concentrate on his own game.   
2    Alan Hutton   Out - Let's hope he stays in Spain
27    Joe Bennett   In - There is a talent there, maybe not as a LB though.       
5    Richard Dunne   Out - What a waste(r)
6    Ciaran Clark   In - He needed a rest when we had nobody else, I think he was playing with an injury which didn't help his game. Still a future Villa captain for me, but maybe we need to give him some game time as a defensive midfielder.   
29    Enda Stevens   Out - But only on loan, somewhere like Leicester or Forest   
30    Eric Lichaj   Out - He's never let us down, has a good attitude and can play a number of positions. We need an upgrade on Lihaj to move forwards.   
32    Nathan Baker   In - He needs to be a regular player in the cups and spend time on and off the bench in the league. He shouldn't have played as much as he has this season   
34    Matthew Lowton   In - Star in the making if he can tighten up some of his defensive positional play   
37    Derrick Williams   Out - But only on loan
7    Stephen Ireland   Out -  Pay him off if need be as nobody will buy him. The biggest waste of oxygen to ever wear a Villa shirt including Nigel Callaghan   
8    Karim El Ahmadi   In - I still think we have a decent player, he needs another season   
10    Charles N’Zogbia   Out  - Almost as bad as Ireland, great talent, but seen too rarely. Wages can be used elsewhere 
12    Marb Albrighton  In - BUT, out on loan until January, and then he has until the end of the season to cut it   
14    Brett Holman   Out - Not good enough
16    Fabian Delph   In - A good season from Delph
15    Ashley Westwood   In - Our Michael Carrick
18   Yacouba Sylla   In - Looks like a great signing       
25    Barry Bannan   Out - Not good enough, offers little.
31    Chris Herd   In - I'd like him to stay, his ability to play a number of positions makes him a very useful substitute   
35    Daniel Johnson   Out - but only on loan   
38    Gary Gardner   Out, then in... he should do with a good pre-season with us and then a month or so out on loan playing every week in the Championship before returning to the squad to push for a place in the XI
40    Samir Carruthers   Out - On loan for half a season to see how he copes with regular football.   
9    Darren Bent   Out - His wages are the issue, and he isn't suited to playing up top in the way Lambert gets us playing. He'd hopefully generate a few quid to spend as well.
23    Nathan Delfouneso   Out  - Not good enough 
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In - Even when he's not firing, he worries teams and causes them to play against us differently. No team ever defends the half way line against us when Gabby plays
20    Christian Benteke   In - Absolutely!!!   
21    Jordan Bowery   In - He should be given the opportunity to replace Benteke with 20 mins left of games, or in cup games. I like his attitude and work rate, we need to see if he has the ability   
26    Andreas Weimann   In - Without doubt, he's a 'Johnny on the spot', but will graft for the team as well. Great attitude AND natural finishing ability 
36    Graham Burke   Out - On loan, somewhere like Walsall 
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: bobdylan on May 20, 2013, 12:19:39 PM
Out for me, Dawkins, Dunne, Marshall, Makoun, Hutton, Lichaj, Bannan, Albrighton, Delfouneso, Bent, Given, Ireland and N'Zogbia.  Bring in 4 good players, GK, centre half, centre mid and forward, and I think we'll be stronger.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Lsvilla on May 20, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
Bent going to Wet Spam apparently - according to a family member (his not mine !)
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2013, 12:41:32 PM
That would seem plausible.  He won't gt in any of the top club's teams, so a 'middle of the road' PL side is where he'll end up at.  Wouldn't be surprised if Stoke are having a sniff also!
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: MoetVillan on May 20, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Id be happy with Ireland, Dunne, Hutton out and off the wages.  They wont get in a team for me, so wages are a write off

Nzogbia is a frustration, he shows glimpses of a really good player, but then dashes your hopes.  be good if we could get good money for him

Bent needs to be sold for decent money.

Given is a good goalie, but wont start above Guzan, so if we could get a deal, it makes sense.  i think it would be a hard sell

Albrighton and Bannan are players i just dont think will make it for us, wages less of an issue, but surely good championship standard.  Maybe worth swap deals with lower league players

Delfouneso, at this point, i just dont think is good enough.  that said, i am loathe to write off strikers too early, id still look to loan him and see if he will develop.  worth building relations up with a club like Sheff United or Crewe that we seem to be working well with
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: richardhubbard on May 20, 2013, 12:52:36 PM
Out for me , Given , Marshall, Hutton, Dunne, Ireland, Bent, Delf

I think there still a decent player in Bannan and Albrighton
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: sid1964 on May 20, 2013, 01:00:12 PM
The list of going is too long, but all of the above need to be moved on - lets just hope that someone wants them

Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2013, 01:19:04 PM
There should be takes for the likes of Fonz, Alby and Bannan. After all we managed to get rid of Osbourne. I could see Bannan being wanted by either a promoted club or a Championship side. Same goes for Albrighton. As for Fonzy, I can't see him attracting any Prem interested. Probably lower half championship, league 1.

I don't think in the next few years there's any room for sentimentality. If a player isn't going to cut it, they need to move on. The above have had their chances and not cut it.

Herd and Lichaj should also move on at their age. Herd I think could offer something but Lambert doesn't rate him it seems.

Baker and Clark have one more season to come good. After that, replace them with better if they haven't improved.

I'd also agree that it's too early to let go of any of Lamberts signings. Holman, I like him, he works hard but he's nowhere near Premiership quality. He's everything you'd expect from a McLeish signing unfortunately. There was no consideration in that signing for ball control, technical ability, passing. He should be sold. Sure there'd be takers in Holland or maybe the Championship.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
Out -
Given - too much on wages for a reserve and he will want to be playing
Dunne - thankfully his contract ending means we don't need to find a buyer
Lichaj - I like his attitude I just don't think we should be offering a new deal to someone so limited
Hutton - Just not good enough to play in the premier league, his technique is terrible, please let Mallorca make the move permanent
Makoun - Already gone, shame though, think he'd have done well in this team
Ireland - as others have said complete waste of space, offer him out for free if need be
Nzogbia - Too inconsistent to be worth keeping
Bent - If he'd be happy as a bit part player I'd keep him but I can't see it
Dawkins - has offered very little, not worth offering a longer deal to

Borderline
Bannan - I'd probably let him go, I think there's a good player in there but I don't think it will ever work for him at villa
Albrighton - Needs to get over his injuries and start doing what he did when he broke through, I'd loan him for a month and see if he can get firing again
Fonz - I'd like to see him have a few run outs in pre-season in the wider roles, if he still can't step up then try to sell later in the window

Loan out
Gardner for a month
Carruthers
Robinson
Donacien
Grealish
Burke

I like all of them, I'd love to see them have good spells in the championship for half a season and then push for the squad with us later in the year.
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2013, 02:58:16 PM
What about the players we want to shake all about?

I'd like to shake Stephen Ireland all about, by the throat.



Bennett you put your left foot in .... your left foot ,no
Title: Re: In Or Out For Next Season ?
Post by: neo_Villan on May 20, 2013, 03:49:31 PM
May as well do mine:

22    Brad Guzan   In - Firmly established number one.     
1    Shay Given   Out - Good luck to him, great professional and I'm sure he'll take a pay-cut to be a regular somewhere (as he did when he joined us).
33    Andy Marshall   In - Can't expect a much better third choice GK.     
39    Benjamin Siegrist   In - Should probably become our backup GK next year. If not, should be loaned out.    
4    Ron Vlaar  In - Think he will be better next season now he has adjusted to the league.     
2    Alan Hutton   Out - Will we be able to find a buyer this time? Hopefully he impressed someone on his loan spell.
27    Joe Bennett   In - Hit and miss. Still young though. Needs more competition for his place though.         
5    Richard Dunne   Out - Been pretty shite since MON left really. Not to mention his age and wages.
6    Ciaran Clark   Out - My views on him are well known. If he stays as a CB, then I just don't rate him.   
29    Enda Stevens   Out - I actually thought he looked decent but I'm saying out because PL clearly doesn't rate him and he should be playing regularly somewhere now.    
30    Eric Lichaj   Out - Same as Stevens really. Good luck to him.   
32    Nathan Baker   In - Has the raw attributes needed. Just needs to improve the tactical side of his game.    
34    Matthew Lowton   In - One of the players of the season.   
37    Derrick Williams   In - Should probably be promoted to first team now.   
7    Stephen Ireland   Out - Shame because he is a class above everyone else when he wants to be.    
8    Karim El Ahmadi   In - Talented enough, just needs to adjust to the pace of the league. Unlucky with injuries also.   
10    Charles N’Zogbia   Out - As a fan, he is the type of player I hate. The type that will play well if they feel like it. I don't want players who aren't guarenteed to give 100% every game.    
12    Marc Albrighton   Out - Pretty basic player really. Good when he was unknown but found out now.   
14    Brett Holman   Out - Unlike KEA, his problem hasn't been adjusting to the pace of the league. He just has no ability on the ball. Can see why TSM signed him.   
16    Fabian Delph   In - Fair dues to him. He was one of my favorite scapegoats. Has turned it around though.    
15    Ashley Westwood   In - Class act. Can improve on a few things still.
18   Yacouba Sylla   In - Wasn't sure about him in a few games. But proved what he can do with his display against Chelsea        
25    Barry Bannan   Out - I stuck with him longer then most but think it is in everyones interests for him to move on. Shame because he is very talented.
31    Chris Herd   In - Good versatile squad player to have.    
35    Daniel Johnson   In - Looks too good for Reserves now.    
38    Gary Gardner   In - Great shame what has happened to him but believe he can still make it. Can take inspiration from Vlaar and Delph who have gone through similar.   
40    Samir Carruthers   In - I like him but not sure PL does.   
9    Darren Bent   Out - Can't afford to have our highest earner a bit-part player. Does fit into PL's system sadly but that's football.
23    Nathan Delfouneso   ??? - I wouldn't mind him given one more chance but wouldn't be upset if he was sold either. I'll leave it to PL's judgement.    
11    Gabby Agbonlahor   In - I was quite anti him for a while. But he has rediscovered some form.   
20    Christian Benteke   In - 23 goals. Enough said.    
21    Jordan Bowery   In - Deserves a fair chance.   
26    Andreas Weimann   In - Works well in the system. Needs to work on his stamina though.    
36    Graham Burke   In - Should be loaned out probably.
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