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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: David_Nab on March 30, 2013, 10:15:12 PM
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3127194,00.html
French Ligue 1 club Rennes will exercise their option to complete a permanent move for Jean Makoun in the summer transfer window.
The deal for an undisclosed fee will go through on July 1.
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More wages freed up then .
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Oh well. We never really saw the best of him or enough to determine whether he would be worth persevering with.
I guess he's been doing well in France?
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Farewell to this decade's Mathieu Berson
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Good luck.
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Shame. But at least, unlike one of MON's flops, he wasn't too difficult to offload.
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I suppose it's better than paying him to play for another club, or not play at all.
Utterly baffling that we brought in a non-EU player without bothering to ask the Home Office what the rules were, then loaned him to a non-English speaking country that is massively in debt so we'd have no chance of renewing his work permit or accruing a sizeable transfer fee.
Good luck Jean II.
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Jesus.
MON sacked, Makoun gone.
Is there any end to this sadness?
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Jesus.
MON sacked, Makoun gone.
Is there any end to this sadness?
Stephen Ireland next?
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The jumper will be sadly missed.
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It's a real shame it didn't work out here. He looked a good player to me, but he was hardly likely to play for us again.
Best of luck with his next club and all that,.
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He seems to be doing ok in France. He even scores from time to time!
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It's a real shame it didn't work out here. He looked a good player to me, but he was hardly likely to play for us again.
Best of luck with his next club and all that,.
I'd agree with that.
He didn't get anything like enough of a chance with us, but we managed his situation so piss poorly that he ended up being touted around all over Europe as he lost his work permit here.
At least we're going to get some money for him, even if it is a fraction of the amount we wasted on him.
A perfect example of why changing manager every year isn't a good idea.
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Weren't there comments that came out which suggested Makoun didn't like living in this country and had no intention of coming back? I think there's a decent player in there but it sounds like his attitude was all wrong.
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Wrong signing for our requirements at the time. It's OK in times of plenty to allow the odd player a few months settling in time but when your boss is trying to cut costs it becomes a bit of a luxury.
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Weren't there comments that came out which suggested Makoun didn't like living in this country and had no intention of coming back? I think there's a decent player in there but it sounds like his attitude was all wrong.
That is the first I've heard of that.
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My memory might have exaggerated the facts but apparently he couldn't get a work permit because he failed the English test - having stopped having English lessons when he was in Greece. Not exactly the act of someone desperate to prove their worth at their parent club though.
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Hardly the sign of a bad attitude, though, having been bought, brought the England, then promptly despatched, having been sent to Greece pretty sharpish.
I'd also imagine he'd have faced the choice of learning Greek or English at that point, so it is understandable if he didn't learn English.
It hardly makes him a trouble maker.
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I think had Houllier stayed he'd have found a playing partner for Makoun. As it is we'll just never know whether he could have been a good PL player. The news is really met with a shrug of the shoulders and on to other news.
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Weren't there comments that came out which suggested Makoun didn't like living in this country and had no intention of coming back?
That is the first I've heard of that.
I think OCD's confusing Makoun with me. ;)
Good luck to the fella.
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I think had Houllier stayed he'd have found a playing partner for Makoun. As it is we'll just never know whether he could have been a good PL player. The news is really met with a shrug of the shoulders and on to other news.
Makoun and Cabaye in midfield, possibly with Bradley?
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The shocking part of the story is the fact that there will be a fee involved
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I wondered when we signed him if we knew what we were doing; he cost £6M, was soon sent off at Blackpool, and that was it.
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It's a real shame it didn't work out here. He looked a good player to me, but he was hardly likely to play for us again.
Best of luck with his next club and all that,.
He looked a good player to me as well. Clearly Lambert didnt think so or the club would have made an effort to deal with the red tape that surrounded him.
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Waste of cash. Good riddance!
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It's a real shame it didn't work out here. He looked a good player to me, but he was hardly likely to play for us again.
Best of luck with his next club and all that,.
Same for me. Houllier going did for him as TSM was hardly likely to give him a chance. Thought Lambert may have though although his work permit caused problems.
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Also worth remembering at the time we signed Michael Bradley who really did look toss in a few of his cameos and since then he's gone on to do very well in Italy.
I think it just shows our decisions in central midfield since Milner left have been awful bar Westwood who will be a good player for us. That's one of the reasons we've plummeted from top 6 so quickly.
Loads of teams get away with dodgy defences if their midfield and attack are good, Norwich for one did last season. Ours isn't.
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From what little I saw of Makoun I could have seen him fitting into Lambert's passing style of play and providing the midfield creativity we lack.
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Weren't there comments that came out which suggested Makoun didn't like living in this country and had no intention of coming back?
That is the first I've heard of that.
I think OCD's confusing Makoun with me. ;)
Good luck to the fella.
And me! Who could blame him really?! ;)
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Also worth remembering at the time we signed Michael Bradley who really did look toss in a few of his cameos and since then he's gone on to do very well in Italy.
I think it just shows our decisions in central midfield since Milner left have been awful bar Westwood who will be a good player for us. That's one of the reasons we've plummeted from top 6 so quickly.
Loads of teams get away with dodgy defences if their midfield and attack are good, Norwich for one did last season. Ours isn't.
I think the fact that Bradley's done well in Italy doesn't prove at all that he'd have done well over here given time, quite the opposite in fact. Lots of players have struggled over here but done well abroad where you have more time on the ball, it's an entirely different approach to the game.
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I'd rather have Westwood than Makoun.
Bye
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Bradley doing well in Italy doesn't guarantee he'd have done it here, maybe it suits his game?
It is a reminder, though, that we are sometimes a bit hasty to write players off, and a handful of games is nothing like enough.
When you throw in the fact that writing a player off means a waste of money, and look at our financial situation, that's another reason not to do it.
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Bradley doing well in Italy doesn't guarantee he'd have done it here, maybe it suits his game?
It is a reminder, though, that we are sometimes a bit hasty to write players off, and a handful of games is nothing like enough.
When you throw in the fact that writing a player off means a waste of money, and look at our financial situation, that's another reason not to do it.
I'd say giving shit players long, expensive contracts is far more damaging.
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Of course it is, but its still no reason to write them off in a hurry.
In fact, if anything, it is the opposite.
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If i could remember much about him i might have an opinion on this.
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I suppose it's better than paying him to play for another club, or not play at all.
Utterly baffling that we brought in a non-EU player without bothering to ask the Home Office what the rules were, then loaned him to a non-English speaking country that is massively in debt so we'd have no chance of renewing his work permit or accruing a sizeable transfer fee.
Good luck Jean II.
Yep, all of that and also throw in pauliewalnuts points about not being given a chance and the knock on effects of changing manager every season.
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If i could remember much about him i might have an opinion on this.
He was a purveyor of fine knitwear.
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If i could remember much about him i might have an opinion on this.
jean deux o'who, son of martin o'who.
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Also worth remembering at the time we signed Michael Bradley who really did look toss in a few of his cameos and since then he's gone on to do very well in Italy.
I think it just shows our decisions in central midfield since Milner left have been awful bar Westwood who will be a good player for us. That's one of the reasons we've plummeted from top 6 so quickly.
Loads of teams get away with dodgy defences if their midfield and attack are good, Norwich for one did last season. Ours isn't.
I think the fact that Bradley's done well in Italy doesn't prove at all that he'd have done well over here given time, quite the opposite in fact. Lots of players have struggled over here but done well abroad where you have more time on the ball, it's an entirely different approach to the game.
Fair enough but Makoun and Bradley have more domestic and international pedigree than say this Sylla bloke and some of the other jokers we've had in central midfield over the last 18 months.
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Bradley doing well in Italy doesn't guarantee he'd have done it here, maybe it suits his game?
It is a reminder, though, that we are sometimes a bit hasty to write players off, and a handful of games is nothing like enough.
When you throw in the fact that writing a player off means a waste of money, and look at our financial situation, that's another reason not to do it.
Bradley played something like 105 minutes for the first team. Those that wrote him off are probably the same ones who wrote off Benteke after the Spurs game calling him a complete donkey, the new Heskey/Balaban etc.
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Bradley doing well in Italy doesn't guarantee he'd have done it here, maybe it suits his game?
It is a reminder, though, that we are sometimes a bit hasty to write players off, and a handful of games is nothing like enough.
When you throw in the fact that writing a player off means a waste of money, and look at our financial situation, that's another reason not to do it.
Bradley played something like 105 minutes for the first team. Those that wrote him off are probably the same ones who wrote off Benteke after the Spurs game calling him a complete donkey, the new Heskey/Balaban etc.
Agreed, absolutely ludicrous to write off a player in anything less than half a season. It really varies as well, look at Bale at Tottenham. Players develop at different rates.
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In fairness Bradley was toss in that Man. City cup game, fair worse than the performances Makoun gave in that timespan imo.
However he's also done well in Germany and Holland so clearly he's shown he can do it over time in different european leagues.
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Bradley doing well in Italy doesn't guarantee he'd have done it here, maybe it suits his game?
It is a reminder, though, that we are sometimes a bit hasty to write players off, and a handful of games is nothing like enough.
When you throw in the fact that writing a player off means a waste of money, and look at our financial situation, that's another reason not to do it.
Bradley played something like 105 minutes for the first team. Those that wrote him off are probably the same ones who wrote off Benteke after the Spurs game calling him a complete donkey, the new Heskey/Balaban etc.
Agreed, absolutely ludicrous to write off a player in anything less than half a season. It really varies as well, look at Bale at Tottenham. Players develop at different rates.
Look at a player like Veron, brilliant at Lazio then the most expensive player in English history at the time when he transferred over here, but couldn't hack it at either Man U or Chelsea. Some players just don't suit the Premier League. I'm not saying that Bradley was or wasn't one of them, but his relative success in Italy doesn't prove anything. In any case, it wasn't the fans who wrote him off, it was the manager who signed him.
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In fairness Bradley was toss in that Man. City cup game, fair worse than the performances Makoun gave in that timespan imo.
However he's also done well in Germany and Holland so clearly he's shown he can do it over time in different european leagues.
Who wasn't toss in that match?
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Problem is our managers are under pressure to get result and they can't blood in quality players. Players might work much better in non premier league due to slower pace of game and more technical football and probably play with better footballers in a team game.
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In fairness Bradley was toss in that Man. City cup game, fair worse than the performances Makoun gave in that timespan imo.
However he's also done well in Germany and Holland so clearly he's shown he can do it over time in different european leagues.
Who wasn't toss in that match?
Delph at left back.