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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villajk on March 19, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
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Been moved to the Monday night for Tv.
Monday 29 April, 8 pm ko.
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According to the AVFC official twitter feed "Villa’s home clash with Sunderland has been moved. The game will now take place on Monday April 29 at 8pm for Sky Sports coverage" FFS!
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So only 1 of our last 4 home games are a 3pm Saturday KO? Fuck off Sky.
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as bollocks as it is for people going to the game you can see why it's been done. The return of the holy Martin who by that time will be in the bottom three about to take a royal kicking by his former club. It makes for good theatre.
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It's all toss.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
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as bollocks as it is for people going to the game you can see why it's been done. The return of the holy Martin who by that time will be in the bottom three about to take a royal kicking by his former club. It makes for good theatre.
Moved to Sat evening or Sunday, fair enough. Monday night at that kind of short notice takes the piss though.
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That's pretty annoying.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
I would imagine it's a pain in the arse for the majority going.
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Game moved for Armchair Perverts - again.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
No where near as much as the Villa fans who have to trek hundreds of miles on a return journey by car or train back at home Dave, no.
Just inconvenient in the way that i had booked that Saturday off from work to watch it with some other Villains who will be here on holiday at the time. So a bit pissed off about it. But you are right about the ''Hardship'' thing.
Evening Martin. Hope you are well mate.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
I would imagine it's a pain in the arse for the majority going.
I agree. And its them with whom my sympathies lie, rather than with somebody who has to shuffle their television viewing around a bit.
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After Saturday, I was looking forward to seeing VP close to full for our remaining games. Hopefully the club can do something to make sure as many come as is possible. We're in the brown stuff, need it full, give the sodding seats behind me away, I don't care, I'll get upset about the value vs my season ticket over the summer. Suppose I'll have to check if I can make it myself, I'm struggling to make Easter Sunday as it is. Easter Sunday lunchtime. Football? REALLY? F*#'in sky
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I feel sorry for the MONderland fans. It's big enough pain for me (plus I hate Monday night games) but it's a home game and I live in Brum. A lot of them will have already bought tickets and possibly paid for train travel and will now have to sort out time off work, new travel etc. Sky really don't give a shit about us fans.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
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What is their win ratio for Monday night games over the past few years?
Ours must be pretty atrocious.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
I would imagine it's a pain in the arse for the majority going.
I agree. And its them with whom my sympathies lie, rather than with somebody who has to shuffle their television viewing around a bit.
Terribly sorry for not still living in England. All Expats will tell you the same i am sure !
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
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This will be one for the neutrals to savour won't it.
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I've binned Sky recently - not because of this but the more general annoyance at paying them almost £1,000 a year.
Sadly, I'm not even sure a mass cancellation of Sky here would make any difference any more. The big money is overseas - that's where Sky make their money.
As for this move - no doubt they'll be marketing it as such a fantastic thing that they're putting it on TV for all those Sunderland fans who can't make it. Conveniently ignoring the fact that the reason they can't make it is because Sky are putting it on TV on a Monday-fucking-night!!!!
Twats.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
I have - I have upgraded my cable package to XL :-)
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Oh that fuckin pissed me right off , i just bought train tickets advance for the saturday! 15 minutes ago!
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Shite, was going to make my first trip to VP in 18 months but not practical now.
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Shite, was going to make my first trip to VP in 18 months but not practical now.
Ditto
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I've binned Sky recently - not because of this but the more general annoyance at paying them almost £1,000 a year.
how much ? fook
If a sky salesmen went to peoples door and said can you pay your £1200 now for a year , every one would tell them to fook off , saying that is a piss take . It's because it drips out their accounts direct debit and when they think about getting round to get rid , Sky make it so hard for people , like leave you on the phone for ages until you put it down and say I will do it another day . Tossers
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Shite, was going to make my first trip to VP in 18 months but not practical now.
Sympathy is between shit and syphilis in the dictionary mate, as i found out a few posts ago.
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I've binned Sky recently - not because of this but the more general annoyance at paying them almost £1,000 a year.
how much ? fook
If a sky salesmen went to peoples door and said can you pay your £1200 now for a year , every one would tell them to fook off , saying that is a piss take . It's because it drips out their accounts direct debit and when they think about getting round to get rid , Sky make it so hard for people , like leave you on the phone for ages until you put it down and say I will do it another day . Tossers
Crazy isn't it. We started off 6 years ago on a deal where you got stuff half price for 6 months etc, etc and it was about £40 a month with phone, broadband and TV (including sports). By the end it was up to £80 a month - or £960 a year. The tipping point was when the broadband router we'd had for 6 years started playing up and they said we could buy a new one for £70 and it was either that or buy a 2nd hand one off ebay because only Sky routers work with Sky Broadband!!!
That tipped my wife over the edge and we cancelled the same day.
I now have four more days of Sky Sports before it switches off and I'm left with BT broadband, phone and freeview for £30 a month.
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Another game where HnVers will have to keep me informed of the score. Fucking Sky piss me off.
Another game where the attendance will decrease because of the long journey for away fans on a week night and Villa fans doing shifts and the like.
Piss poor Sky.
I agree that in general this is "not a good thing", but unless you had been planning to fly back especially for the Saturday game surely the change in kick-off time isn't too much of a hardship for you?
I would imagine it's a pain in the arse for the majority going.
I agree. And its them with whom my sympathies lie, rather than with somebody who has to shuffle their television viewing around a bit.
Terribly sorry for not still living in England. All Expats will tell you the same i am sure !
No need to apologise for not living close enough to go to games. I don't get to as many as I'd like to myself for distance and cost reasons.
But I'm not sure I'd ever complain about a match being moved for television because I'd planned to watch it on television.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
The glib answer is to stop going. The only thing that will affect Sky is an empty stadium. But they know they have a captive audience built on much more than just a social few hours out of the house.
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To bloody right.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
The glib answer is to stop going. The only thing that will affect Sky is an empty stadium. But they know they have a captive audience built on much more than just a social few hours out of the house.
I genuinely wouldn't put it past Sky putting fake crowd noise over matches if stadiums were empty. Empty seats don't bother them as at many games now the front rows, the only ones you see on TV, are all empty.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
The glib answer is to stop going. The only thing that will affect Sky is an empty stadium. But they know they have a captive audience built on much more than just a social few hours out of the house.
But me not going would have fuck all affect on Sky and the Premier League. The only thing me not going has a negative affect on is me and the Villa.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
The glib answer is to stop going. The only thing that will affect Sky is an empty stadium. But they know they have a captive audience built on much more than just a social few hours out of the house.
I genuinely wouldn't put it past Sky putting fake crowd noise over matches if stadiums were empty. Empty seats don't bother them as at many games now the front rows, the only ones you see on TV, are all empty.
Plenty of empty seats at TV matches around the country as it is and doesn't seem to bother Sky.
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Surely the headline should read "moved to MONday night"?
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Surely the headline should read "moved to MONday night"?
Dont give sky any ideas please
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Surely the headline should read "moved to MONday night"?
Dont give sky any ideas please
Supertastic Armageddon MONday!
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FFS.
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It's a pain in the arse for me too. I don't like Monday night games but it's not too bad for me personally. My girlfriend who drives us in from Leicester hates them though, she's a teacher and her busiest day this year is Monday so she'll be knackered before we even leave for the match. As for Sky, I dropped ESPN a couple of months ago. £10/month for endless shit ManUre/Arse/Chelski/Liverpool wankfests? No thanks. I still pay for Sky Sports but mainly due to the cricket. Now if only the new streaming site I've signed up for would guarantee the cricket then I'd drop Sky Sports too.
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Booked flights and match tickets 2 days ago......God help the next Cock Sucker who starts telling me about fucking Football when they have never ever been to a game.....Also, why didn't Villa tell SKY to stick it where the sun don't shine, as we are on the WankFest channel the previous Monday.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Such as?
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Like what? Write to the club? I very much doubt that will achieve anything. Write to Sky? As if they'd give a fuck. I already boycott Sky and don't give them any money.
The glib answer is to stop going. The only thing that will affect Sky is an empty stadium. But they know they have a captive audience built on much more than just a social few hours out of the house.
I said it before, to much knocking I seem to recall, but we are only there for the atmosphere on the tv. If Sky could have their product without us they wouldn't give two shites. The money in the game doesn't come through the turnstiles so apart from not turning up en masse, which won't happen, to mass Sky protests in Teddington Lock that's nothing that we can do. Sky own football now.
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At least 2 less villains from here attending. 350 mile round trip on a school day. No chance. What is more, when I travel up other family in the Midlands also generally attend. Therefore Villa Park crowd will be probably 4/6 down, just when they need the support. I will be best part of £200 better off tho'. But DW will be £2.00 worse off.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Such as?
All we can do is boycott a game, they wont look good beaming pictures of an empty ground.But will we do it? No, we can all have a moan on here...I've been a season ticket holder for a long time but i,m thinking of only renewing if we go down ...sky piss me off
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Anyone struggling to cancel sky, just cancel the DD with your bank. They will soon turn you off .
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I think it's been said on here before but the maths are clear. Follow your team home and away at an average ticket price of say £35 (okay I'm discounting food/travel etc but it's the guaranteed income to the clubs). That's £1,330 per season. Follow your team home and away for 30 years and that's £39,900. Congratulations, you've just paid the wages of a Hutton/Beye type player for a week. Thank you for your loyal support. Football will one day eat itself and we'll be all that's left.
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I have Virgin, but binned Sky sports and movies about 8 months ago. It is extortion. The broadband fee I pay I can accept for the fast speed, but the Sky related stuff is awful.
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If everybody in the UK cancelled Sky tonight then they would be truly scuppered (despite the overseas revenue).
They would not be able to pay the FA.
But then the clubs would be buggered too. Sky money is the drug that won't go away.
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I think it's been said on here before but the maths are clear. Follow your team home and away at an average ticket price of say £35 (okay I'm discounting food/travel etc but it's the guaranteed income to the clubs). That's £1,330 per season. Follow your team home and away for 30 years and that's £39,900. Congratulations, you've just paid the wages of a Hutton/Beye type player for a week. Thank you for your loyal support. Football will one day eat itself and we'll be all that's left.
Football has been on the edge of imploding for as long as I can remember yet we keep on lapping it up.
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Don't just moan on here - do something about it.
Such as?
That's what i'm wondering. I haven't had Sky for years so the only other thing I can see I can do is boycott the game. Which won't make a blind bit of difference to Sky, so as I said earlier the only losers in me doing that are me and the Villa.
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Anyone struggling to cancel sky, just cancel the DD with your bank. They will soon turn you off .
3 mths later . Thats what happened to me . chased me for 3 mths bill
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Why do Sky keep messing about with these fixtures a monday night for god sake.
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On a positive note, MON will have a 200 mile coach journey with his team and won't get to bed before 2am after losing a six pointer.
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FFS...............
Then I remembered Walsall's last league game is a potentially play off deciding and piss up at Crewe on the saturday so one of the few times I don't mind but yeah a monday at 8pm game is horrible.
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does that mean wigan will have a chance to catch up with a game on the sat or Sunday?
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I don't have Sky Sports - it's cheaper to find streams online :)
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
Rubbish.
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
AGREE, loudly by the looks of it, with your first point. Not your second though. That's quite absurd.
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This takes the piss. Not only have they moved a large chunk of our home games in comparison to our away games, they also stich us up every Christmas freezing our bollocks off at Villa Park, early in evening while everybody else is getting pissed indoors!!
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Maybe Sunderland will put coaches on for their fans? Presumably they will want as many there as possible for what could be a crucial match at this stage of the season.
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As an aside, I dislike Monday night games, as I do 12.45 and Sunday games, but Monday night especially, as you miss that Saturday afternoon atmosphere when we kick-off so long after the rest of the Saturday programme.
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
AGREE, loudly by the looks of it, with your first point. Not your second though. That's quite absurd.
It was somewhat tongue in cheek people!
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I've binned Sky recently - not because of this but the more general annoyance at paying them almost £1,000 a year.
how much ? fook
If a sky salesmen went to peoples door and said can you pay your £1200 now for a year , every one would tell them to fook off , saying that is a piss take . It's because it drips out their accounts direct debit and when they think about getting round to get rid , Sky make it so hard for people , like leave you on the phone for ages until you put it down and say I will do it another day . Tossers
Crazy isn't it. We started off 6 years ago on a deal where you got stuff half price for 6 months etc, etc and it was about £40 a month with phone, broadband and TV (including sports). By the end it was up to £80 a month - or £960 a year. The tipping point was when the broadband router we'd had for 6 years started playing up and they said we could buy a new one for £70 and it was either that or buy a 2nd hand one off ebay because only Sky routers work with Sky Broadband!!!
That tipped my wife over the edge and we cancelled the same day.
I now have four more days of Sky Sports before it switches off and I'm left with BT broadband, phone and freeview for £30 a month.
Our sky router bust last week and they tried the same ruse on us (although they only tried to charge us 30 quid- I reckon they pluck numbers out of thin air). Our contract's up soon and I just told them to cancel it and they posted me a free new router. Robbing gets.
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Home fixtures this season.
Saturday 3pm
Everton
Swansea
Stoke City
Wigan Athletic
Southampton
QPR
Fulham
The other home games
West Brom, Sunday 4pm
Norwich, Saturday 12.45pm
Man United, Saturday 5.30pm
Arsenal, Saturday 5.30pm
Reading, Tuesday 7.45pm
Spurs, Boxing day, Wednesday 5.45pm
Newcastle, Tuesday 7.45pm
West Ham, Sunday 1.30pm
Man City, Monday 7.45pm
Liverpool, Sunday 1.30pm
Sunderland, Monday 7.45pm
Chelsea, Sunday (kick off 3pm I think)
Thats 7 v 12 against 3pm kick offs. We have had only a few away games shifted which dose not suit us season ticket holders at all. It's not as though we are Man United neither.
Dave, what can we do about it? It is becoming a joke and as this thread illustrates many a loyal fan is getting mighty pissed off about things.
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I feel really smug. I've never had SKY - never will. Rarely watch football on TV. I love it live and in the flesh.
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How many people with the average spend at a Villa game (£35 with grub?) equates to the amount of cash we get for an extra game on'telly?
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I'm probably one of the only people who's pleased with this change as I had resigned myself to having to miss this one as I'm away all that weekend. I take the point though, it's a piss take how few 3pm Saturdays there have been at home this season. I usually prefer them although it does mean I've had less juggling to do when I am scheduled to work a Saturday.
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The Spurs game was bad. No public transport and the Villa were utter, utter shite.
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How many people with the average spend at a Villa game (£35 with grub?) equates to the amount of cash we get for an extra game on'telly?
A quick google shows that the sky deal next season is paying £6m per game, but can't find out how much the home clubs get per game.
Whatever it is I guarantee it is worth more than 10 000 fans and pies.
As an overseas supporter it doesn't affect me as much, but In the past I have spent nearly the equivalent of a season ticket on wasted flights and tickets for 4 people because the same thing happened. Modern football is crap ( except I can watch every game now). UTV
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First, stop regarding other teams supporters as the enemy. Campaigns can only work when we all work together.
Cancel Sky and tell them why.
Don't go to the re-arranged matches. Sky hate empty grounds as it makes 'the best league in the world' look daft.
Boycott their advertisers.
If it were organised properly, just the threat of it would have Sky worried. It would be nice to see the FSF do something concerted instead of their regular calls for something that never get followed up.
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My son-in-law has been meaning to come to a game all season and finally plumped on this one so I bought a ticket right next to my ST seat this morning and by this evening it's been moved. Now I probably can't go myself as I have to come up from London. I don't suppose I'll get much joy tomorrow when I ring up and ask for my money back - there's probably a clause somewhere saying I can't. Infuriating.
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It will hit the crowd for sure, given we got 38k for QPR I'd say we'd have got 40k + for this if it had stayed on the saturday.
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First, stop regarding other teams supporters as the enemy. Campaigns can only work when we all work together.
Cancel Sky and tell them why.
Don't go to the re-arranged matches. Sky hate empty grounds as it makes 'the best league in the world' look daft.
Boycott their advertisers.
If it were organised properly, just the threat of it would have Sky worried. It would be nice to see the FSF do something concerted instead of their regular calls for something that never get followed up.
1) I've already said it's shit for them that the game has been moved.
2) I don't have Sky.
3) Why? If I boycotted every Sky Villa game it would be pointless buying a ST.
4) That's just about everyone of any note then I imagine. However in the impractical scenario that I decided to boycott thousands of products, as I don't have Sky, how do I know who advertises with them as I don't watch any other their channels because of 2?
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I'm as pissed off about this is the rest of you, but it seems to me that directing anger at Sky over it is aiming it in the wrong place.
It is the clubs that have put themselves at Sky's mercy, it is the clubs that pass on the vast majority of the TV money to players, overpaid executives and greedy agents and it is the clubs that then expect us to change all our plans and mess around our family and social lives and work shifts etc to fit in with these changes.
It should be the clubs that supporters should take issue with over these changes. We should refuse to buy season tickets where the terms and conditions basically say tough shit to you if the game gets moved. We should start to demand that prices be lowered for live TV games, which is effectively only us getting our fair share of the TV money coming in. We should be given the option of a pro rata refund if we can't attend or say a 25% reduction for that game if we do attend, which could be given as a credit on the following year's season ticket. It would be such a good way of marketing season tickets they'd probably sell a lot more anyway.
So many people and organisations are raking it in and making a living off the TV deals due to the global interest in the Premier League now. That's fine, but we fans are still being charged top dollar to turn up and provide what is a major part of the whole package that gets flogged around the world. It would only take a small percentage of the extra money clubs get for a TV game to give us back our fair share. We are the only ones that lose out when a game gets televised.
We have to make our own clubs take notice of us on this - trying to fight Sky over it will get us nowhere. We are each one of 20,000 or so Villa season ticket holders, if a good number of us campaigned for a fair deal and a change to the terms on which we buy our tickets that gives a much greater voice than being one of so many million worldwide TV viewers.
As for away games being moved for TV, it wouldn't take up that much of the extra money to provide free travel would it for those hardy and loyal folk who have now had to take half a day off work.
It's a big enough pie - we deserve our fair share.
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My son-in-law has been meaning to come to a game all season and finally plumped on this one so I bought a ticket right next to my ST seat this morning and by this evening it's been moved. Now I probably can't go myself as I have to come up from London. I don't suppose I'll get much joy tomorrow when I ring up and ask for my money back - there's probably a clause somewhere saying I can't. Infuriating.
If you ring up the ticket office I'm almost certain they'll give you your money back. You won't get train fare back if you've already paid for that though.
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If we as fans were to start a campaign is it just the Monday night game we want rid of? I suggest the Saturday lunchtime ko is awful from atmosphere and for anyone having to travel any distance.
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If a Holiday company changes your departure dates, and you find it unnaceptable, you have a legal right to a full refund, why is this facility not available to the bottom-of- the-pile-taken-for-granted, cash cow hereafter referred to as Season ticket holders?. SKYs money has enabled a lot of good things within the game, but all this chopping and changing of schedules is becoming a serious pain in the Arse.
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If a Holiday company changes your departure dates, and you find it unnaceptable, you have a legal right to a full refund, why is this facility not available to the bottom-of- the-pile-taken-for-granted, cash cow hereafter referred to as Season ticket holders?. SKYs money has enabled a lot of good things within the game, but all this chopping and changing of schedules is becoming a serious pain in the Arse.
Sky has also allowed very average players to earn a fortune and give nothing back in return. Great .
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How about for the Sunderland game those in attendance take an A4 printed piece of paper saying F**K SKY or SKY STOLE THE SOUL?
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They didn’t steal anything, they bought it fair and square.
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They didn’t steal anything, they bought it fair and square.
They brought the TV rights fair and square but they have taken the game away from the fans with stupid kick off times and moving games to Monday nights.
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The Premier League sold the rights to those slots. Sky use them. If BT or Al The Zebra win the next contract, do you think they'll say "fuck it, we won't show Saturday lunchtime or Monday games"?
What perhaps should be done is that the PL stipulate that there's more notice to switch a game.
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The game was willingly sold to them, if you want to blame anybody, blame the clubs.
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Just looking at the remaining fixtures - Chelsea will be moved / re arranged if they get to the Cup final .
I think that is due to be played on Sat 11th May (Chelsea fixture is currently 3pm on the Sunday)
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The game was willingly sold to them, if you want to blame anybody, blame the clubs.
Money talks.
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The game was willingly sold to them, if you want to blame anybody, blame the clubs.
Football was in a mess then with clubs having too fork out all seater grounds and attendances low to the negative press football received due to violence and the awful tragedy at Hillsborough. Sky took advantage and year by year have been taking more of a stranglehold on our game knowing that the clubs couldn't back out. When Sky first brought the coverage there was one additional kick off time which was 8pm they have added the Sat and Sun lunchtime k/o and the Sat evening purely cos they can.
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Well I was missing this game as I'm in London, so at least I can watch it now. Asked before about pubs with Soccer Saturday on, could now do with a decent pub to watch the match in Darn Sarf?
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I feel sorry for the MONderland fans. It's big enough pain for me (plus I hate Monday night games) but it's a home game and I live in Brum. A lot of them will have already bought tickets and possibly paid for train travel and will now have to sort out time off work, new travel etc. Sky really don't give a shit about us fans.
Isn't it this in a nutshell?
I know someone who drives from Poole for home games, for obvious reasons he can't make mid-week games!
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I could swear but it wouldn't necessarily help!
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I've just swore and it has'nt helped.
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I've just swore and it has'nt helped.
Told you
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I don't like the fact we'll know the Wigan result going into this game. It puts pressure on us. If we're back in the bottom 3 and must win it'll be tough. If we're ahead of Wigan and have chance to open a decent gap, then again, very hard on us. I'd prefer to be playing at the same time on a saturday as our relegation rivals. That way their outcome is less in our thoughts and we can focus fully on the game in hand.
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if wigan have won on the weekend, both teams will need a result.
i think your worry is our team's mental fragility. you can't put the blame on sky for that!
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I wouldn't worry too much about the Wigan game two days earlier putting pressure on us. We all have to play four games before then and given the relative closeness of the teams down there, the table could look very different by then.
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Club have sent out an email apologising for inconvenience caused by "the game being selected for TV broadcast" and stating that Junior ST can be upgraded to an adult seat free of charge and ST holders can now bring a friend for £5 and relocate to any area of the stadium free of charge. A decent gesture for messing us about I suppose.
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I think there are 2 distinct issues here:
Season tickets and normal tickets.
Normal tickets is easier to solve, the premier league should implement policies which state all clubs should only sell tickets up to x weeks in advance and that sky have to confirm fixtures before that time. That massively reduces the chances of someone having booked flights/hotel/trains, etc to make a game which they subsequently miss. As a villa fan away from home this is the one that would effect me and it's largely financial as I'd have to pay about £400 to travel over, stay a couple of nights and get tickets, etc.
For season ticket holders the financial part is less important. Sure they could refund you the cost of that game but you're still missing a game that you had a ticket for, purely because the date has been moved. I'm not sure how you solve that whilst Monday night games still happen so the only real option is to get a major petition of all the clubs organised to express this, but would it get enough support and who would want to organise it?
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I think there are 2 distinct issues here:
Season tickets and normal tickets.
Normal tickets is easier to solve, the premier league should implement policies which state all clubs should only sell tickets up to x weeks in advance and that sky have to confirm fixtures before that time. That massively reduces the chances of someone having booked flights/hotel/trains, etc to make a game which they subsequently miss. As a villa fan away from home this is the one that would effect me and it's largely financial as I'd have to pay about £400 to travel over, stay a couple of nights and get tickets, etc.
For season ticket holders the financial part is less important. Sure they could refund you the cost of that game but you're still missing a game that you had a ticket for, purely because the date has been moved. I'm not sure how you solve that whilst Monday night games still happen so the only real option is to get a major petition of all the clubs organised to express this, but would it get enough support and who would want to organise it?
The problem with the first one is that they only have to give four weeks notice at this stage, and selling tickets at such short notice can be a bit difficult. Plus the clubs want your money ASAP.
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Works out ok for me as I though I would miss the return of MON as I had commited to a game at Darlington for a close friend of mine.
Sorry guys, it doesn't help you I know
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I think there are 2 distinct issues here:
Season tickets and normal tickets.
Normal tickets is easier to solve, the premier league should implement policies which state all clubs should only sell tickets up to x weeks in advance and that sky have to confirm fixtures before that time. That massively reduces the chances of someone having booked flights/hotel/trains, etc to make a game which they subsequently miss. As a villa fan away from home this is the one that would effect me and it's largely financial as I'd have to pay about £400 to travel over, stay a couple of nights and get tickets, etc.
For season ticket holders the financial part is less important. Sure they could refund you the cost of that game but you're still missing a game that you had a ticket for, purely because the date has been moved. I'm not sure how you solve that whilst Monday night games still happen so the only real option is to get a major petition of all the clubs organised to express this, but would it get enough support and who would want to organise it?
The problem with the first one is that they only have to give four weeks notice at this stage, and selling tickets at such short notice can be a bit difficult. Plus the clubs want your money ASAP.
I agree, so the rules would need to change to make it 6-8 weeks notice for it to be workable.
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Lets just make the most of a bad job. Hopefully not too many Sunderland fans will make the trip. There's nothing better than a night match when VP is rocking.
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Almost impossible for me to get to Monday night games because of work and 200 mile round-trip; this will be the second I've missed recently. The viagogo re-sale option simply doesn't work for matches on telly, unless I sold my season ticket for a fiver I couldn't hope to recoup the outlay. I'm seriously thinking of not renewing for first time in 25+ years. With the discounted tickets on sale per game now, there is not a sensible reason to continue beyond blind loyalty.
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I think there are 2 distinct issues here:
Season tickets and normal tickets.
Normal tickets is easier to solve, the premier league should implement policies which state all clubs should only sell tickets up to x weeks in advance and that sky have to confirm fixtures before that time. That massively reduces the chances of someone having booked flights/hotel/trains, etc to make a game which they subsequently miss. As a villa fan away from home this is the one that would effect me and it's largely financial as I'd have to pay about £400 to travel over, stay a couple of nights and get tickets, etc.
For season ticket holders the financial part is less important. Sure they could refund you the cost of that game but you're still missing a game that you had a ticket for, purely because the date has been moved. I'm not sure how you solve that whilst Monday night games still happen so the only real option is to get a major petition of all the clubs organised to express this, but would it get enough support and who would want to organise it?
The problem with the first one is that they only have to give four weeks notice at this stage, and selling tickets at such short notice can be a bit difficult. Plus the clubs want your money ASAP.
For the West Ham game I lost a lot of money rearranging my flights but then again it was stupid of me to book flights so far in advance. If I was planning to attend the Sunderland game (which I almost was given its importance) I would have majorly pissed off that it had happened again and at such very short notice!
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The club probably doesn't care that much if you actually attend the match or not, just as long as you have bought a ticket.
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It's not so much of an issue for me as I'm pretty local but Monday night games are the worst as far as I'm concerned. The problem is I do quite like having the option of watching them on the box when we're not involved. Although on balance not as much as I dislike having to drag myself out on a cold night in January when I've got work the next day.
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Are we comparing apples with apples here.
The season ticket holder and the sky subscriber are 2 different animals.
Sky subsribers around the globe may prefer an 8pm kick off. Isn't that the reason international games are shown at 8pm, and world cup/euro championship tournaments/finals, so the arm chair punters get what they want, to be entertained at a time that suits. The season ticket holder is becoming less important.
Get used to it, the TV supporter is here to stay. How many of us now enjoy La Liga on a sunday night or the odd serie A game, we are all consumers, and our favourite brand is Aston Villa flavoured. If you choose to watch at VP or at home, who cares as long as you pay.
The new generation of football supporter can just as easily cheer on Real Madrid or PSG as Villa or Chelsea. Sad but true
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If they could at the very least make clear that a game can only be changed within X amount of days at least people would then be able to wait before making arrangements and not have to lose rail/flight fares after being proactive and booking well in advance.
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Whilst I despise Sky I couldn't go on the Saturday due to a wedding. I've missed loads this season due to family stuff so i'm looking forward to being able to support the lads for this one. Appreciate its annoying for everyone else though.
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Sky subsribers around the globe may prefer an 8pm kick off. Isn't that the reason international games are shown at 8pm, and world cup/euro championship tournaments/finals, so the arm chair punters get what they want, to be entertained at a time that suits.
It's why internationals and big finals are now on Saturday afternoon. The Monday 8pm game is strictly pitched at the UK market - how often do Manchester United play it?
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If they could at the very least make clear that a game can only be changed within X amount of days at least people would then be able to wait before making arrangements and not have to lose rail/flight fares after being proactive and booking well in advance.
When you dance with the devil it's always to his tune.
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It would be nice if the club made extra special efforts to fill the ground for this one, otherwise the attendance will be sub-30k for a game we need to win. Wouldn't bother me if they reduced prices in all areas and made kids £5 or something to help create a decent atmosphere akin to last Saturday's.
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I was planning in taking my daughter for her first game, now that this has been changed, I can no longer take her due to how late it finished and going to school the following day.
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Almost impossible for me to get to Monday night games because of work and 200 mile round-trip; this will be the second I've missed recently. The viagogo re-sale option simply doesn't work for matches on telly, unless I sold my season ticket for a fiver I couldn't hope to recoup the outlay. I'm seriously thinking of not renewing for first time in 25+ years. With the discounted tickets on sale per game now, there is not a sensible reason to continue beyond blind loyalty.
I quite agree, I have made numerous points about the clubs policy of shitting on ST holders by offering cheap ticket deals nearly every game (see Sunderland) whilst not even considering lowering ST prices but have been accused of whinging by some folk on these boards. The sad fact is gate money really don't contribute much to a PL clubs finances these days.
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Sky subsribers around the globe may prefer an 8pm kick off. Isn't that the reason international games are shown at 8pm, and world cup/euro championship tournaments/finals, so the arm chair punters get what they want, to be entertained at a time that suits.
It's why internationals and big finals are now on Saturday afternoon. The Monday 8pm game is strictly pitched at the UK market - how often do Manchester United play it?
Indeed. It's also why the likes of Barcelona want to shrink the size of the major league top divisions so that they can play Champions League matches on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon.
8pm is a rubbish time to kick off if you're trying to get people in the Far East to watch. IIRC Monday Night Football was an idea Sky nicked from the US where they've had Monday Night Football for decades. I think they even had specific 'MNF' cheerleaders the first year it was shown - an Americanism that just doesn't work over here.
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Sky subsribers around the globe may prefer an 8pm kick off. Isn't that the reason international games are shown at 8pm, and world cup/euro championship tournaments/finals, so the arm chair punters get what they want, to be entertained at a time that suits.
It's why internationals and big finals are now on Saturday afternoon. The Monday 8pm game is strictly pitched at the UK market - how often do Manchester United play it?
Indeed. It's also why the likes of Barcelona want to shrink the size of the major league top divisions so that they can play Champions League matches on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon.
8pm is a rubbish time to kick off if you're trying to get people in the Far East to watch. IIRC Monday Night Football was an idea Sky nicked from the US where they've had Monday Night Football for decades. I think they even had specific 'MNF' cheerleaders the first year it was shown - an Americanism that just doesn't work over here.
They did. They also had bands performing at half-time and firework displays.
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Indeed. It's also why the likes of Barcelona want to shrink the size of the major league top divisions so that they can play Champions League matches on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon.
8pm is a rubbish time to kick off if you're trying to get people in the Far East to watch. IIRC Monday Night Football was an idea Sky nicked from the US where they've had Monday Night Football for decades. I think they even had specific 'MNF' cheerleaders the first year it was shown - an Americanism that just doesn't work over here.
They did. They also had bands performing at half-time and firework displays.
And all that didn't work on a cold January night in Bolton? I wonder if Sky ever worked out why...
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If we as fans were to start a campaign is it just the Monday night game we want rid of? I suggest the Saturday lunchtime ko is awful from atmosphere and for anyone having to travel any distance.
Friday nights would be a great idea, couple before the game and straight out on the lash afterwards, and no work the following day, what a way to tee up the weekend.
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If we as fans were to start a campaign is it just the Monday night game we want rid of? I suggest the Saturday lunchtime ko is awful from atmosphere and for anyone having to travel any distance.
Friday nights would be a great idea, couple before the game and straight out on the lash afterwards, and no work the following day, what a way to tee up the weekend.
Friday night would be better than Monday night football. Playing on a Monday feels like you've missed out on the weekend's football. Plus it would be better for shift workers, most of whom have finished their working week by Friday.
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If we as fans were to start a campaign is it just the Monday night game we want rid of? I suggest the Saturday lunchtime ko is awful from atmosphere and for anyone having to travel any distance.
Friday nights would be a great idea, couple before the game and straight out on the lash afterwards, and no work the following day, what a way to tee up the weekend.
Friday night would be better than Monday night football. Playing on a Monday feels like you've missed out on the weekend's football. Plus it would be better for shift workers, most of whom have finished their working week by Friday.
If the club don't get more points than Wigan between now and the end of May you might get your wish!
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If we as fans were to start a campaign is it just the Monday night game we want rid of? I suggest the Saturday lunchtime ko is awful from atmosphere and for anyone having to travel any distance.
Friday nights would be a great idea, couple before the game and straight out on the lash afterwards, and no work the following day, what a way to tee up the weekend.
Friday night would be better than Monday night football. Playing on a Monday feels like you've missed out on the weekend's football. Plus it would be better for shift workers, most of whom have finished their working week by Friday.
If the club don't get more points than Wigan between now and the end of May you might get your wish!
Oh God yeah. :-(
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
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The one at Millwall certainly fucking was.
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
Yeah but at least you wouldn't have to face work in the morning.
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Definitely a ball-ache, I'd prefer Thursday night to Friday/Monday, at least then it allows guilt free drinking! Balls to it, see any London Villans on the 23.00 train to celebrate.
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
Yeah but at least you wouldn't have to face work in the morning.
Saturday 3pm works so much better.
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Good gesture by the club for this one in allowing ST to bring a friend for a fiver and move anywhere in the ground free of charge. Hopefully this will help boost the crowd and atmosphere.
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
Yeah but at least you wouldn't have to face work in the morning.
Saturday 3pm works so much better.
Sat 12:45pm are my favourites
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Well done to the club for offering what they can, but it's not much consolation to my 7 year old though who will be in tears because he can't go AGAIN because of fucking Sky! It isn't Sky that has the job of telling him he can't go, nor the club, but me. Bunch of fucking wankers.
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For all the money and thought Sky has put into its presentation of football it will never even get close to the old stuttering videprinter on BBC.
A-R-S-E-N-A-L - 4 A-S-...
ohhhhhhhhhhh shit
... T-O-N - V-I-L-L-A - 5
yessssssssssssssssssssss
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
Yeah but at least you wouldn't have to face work in the morning.
Saturday 3pm works so much better.
Sat 12:45pm are my favourites
Normally the worst for atmosphere unless a derby.
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Well I be getting a refund for he 3 tickets I bought on Saturday. No way I can make it after work from Preston. My son & daughter miss out too. Not happy.
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Call the ticket office, Preston. They will refund you most likely.
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Friday night games would be just as shite as Monday nights.
Yeah but at least you wouldn't have to face work in the morning.
It would have been worse being locked in for 45 minutes on a Monday night than it was on a Friday.
That said, with the snow I didn't get back to Manchester until 3am, having driven from Scotland to get to the game.
Bad times.
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Well done to the club for offering what they can, but it's not much consolation to my 7 year old though who will be in tears because he can't go AGAIN because of fucking Sky! It isn't Sky that has the job of telling him he can't go, nor the club, but me. Bunch of fucking wankers.
Even better efforts from the club. I bought a ticket for my son-in-law's only visit of the season the same day the match was later changed to a Monday night job. Well pissed off and then the next day they offer the 'bring-a-buddy' deal for £5 (my ticket was £42). I rang up to ask if there was anything I could do and they offered to refund my money and switch to the £5 deal. Very pleasant, very quick, and a great gesture. in fact i have always found the sales people really helpful.
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Im writing to Sky in disgust. Only our away matches should be on a monday night. Home matches 3pm Saturday
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On the topic of kick off times being moved because of Sky. I've always found the kick off times in Spanish football strange as one week a team could be playing at 3pm on Saturday & the next week they could be kicking off at 9pm on a Sunday evening.
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
Arent they down to clubs being involved with champions lge the following week?
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
Arent they down to clubs being involved with champions lge the following week?
Nope, they are trying to do what the Premier League has done for years, get the interest in the far east as they can watch live games. Real Madrid for example are aware of their lack of exposure over their which could be a huge market for them.
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
Arent they down to clubs being involved with champions lge the following week?
Nope, they are trying to do what the Premier League has done for years, get the interest in the far east as they can watch live games. Real Madrid for example are aware of their lack of exposure over their which could be a huge market for them.
Culturally the Spanish are as much opposed to 3pm kickoffs as we are to 8pm kickoffs. I wonder who the fans blame over there without Sky to beat up?!
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I had finally managed to persuade my girlfriend to attend her first ever football match, organisigin train tickets and an overnight hotel in Birmingham and then the Sky switch happened. She is delighted.
Does anyone have anything they can recommend for us to do instead of the game over this weekend now?
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Night games can be good. A derby night game for instance always feels a little more exciting than a 3pm or 12 noon kick off.
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Im writing to Sky in disgust. Only our away matches should be on a monday night. Home matches 3pm Saturday
The opposite for me. Away games should be 3 pm on Saturdays. Always.
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I had finally managed to persuade my girlfriend to attend her first ever football match, organisigin train tickets and an overnight hotel in Birmingham and then the Sky switch happened. She is delighted.
Does anyone have anything they can recommend for us to do instead of the game over this weekend now?
Yes, stay in the hotel room.
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I had finally managed to persuade my girlfriend to attend her first ever football match, organisigin train tickets and an overnight hotel in Birmingham and then the Sky switch happened. She is delighted.
Does anyone have anything they can recommend for us to do instead of the game over this weekend now?
To be honest mate, you've had a lucky escape. You want her to enjoy it as much as you do, and maybe have a drink after if Villa win. This won't happen.
There's a thread in the 'Off Topic' section of the forum: Things to do in Brum (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49374.0). Some good ideas on there. As for pubs, try the Old Joint Stock, The Royal Mail, The Victoria, The Wellington (may be a bit too 'Real Ale Twat' for her though this one), or I dunno, loads more. Take her to the Jewellery Quarter. Bring money.
Day out in Stratford Upon Avon could be good as well actually, you can easily get a train over there. Warwick Castle as well.
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Thanks for the help guys - it's really appreciated.
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Night games can be good. A derby night game for instance always feels a little more exciting than a 3pm or 12 noon kick off.
Yes, like 03-03-03....
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
Arent they down to clubs being involved with champions lge the following week?
Nope, they are trying to do what the Premier League has done for years, get the interest in the far east as they can watch live games. Real Madrid for example are aware of their lack of exposure over their which could be a huge market for them.
Culturally the Spanish are as much opposed to 3pm kickoffs as we are to 8pm kickoffs. I wonder who the fans blame over there without Sky to beat up?!
Late kick offs in Spain, especially in the summer are because of the high temperatures. You really do not want to be playing in 42c on 3pm on a Saturday or Sunday.
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I had finally managed to persuade my girlfriend to attend her first ever football match, organisigin train tickets and an overnight hotel in Birmingham and then the Sky switch happened. She is delighted.
Does anyone have anything they can recommend for us to do instead of the game over this weekend now?
To be honest mate, you've had a lucky escape. You want her to enjoy it as much as you do, and maybe have a drink after if Villa win. This won't happen.
There's a thread in the 'Off Topic' section of the forum: Things to do in Brum (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49374.0). Some good ideas on there. As for pubs, try the Old Joint Stock, The Royal Mail, The Victoria, The Wellington (may be a bit too 'Real Ale Twat' for her though this one), or I dunno, loads more. Take her to the Jewellery Quarter. Bring money.
Day out in Stratford Upon Avon could be good as well actually, you can easily get a train over there. Warwick Castle as well.
To add to Stu's reccomendations Warwick, Stratford Upon Avon and Kennilworth are all within an hours train journey and costs about £6-7 return. The trains a re pretty frequent aswell.
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Night games can be good. A derby night game for instance always feels a little more exciting than a 3pm or 12 noon kick off.
Yes, like 03-03-03....
Shudder...
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some of the saturday afternoon kick-offs in the spanish games are actually down to the fact they're trying to crack the far east and compete with the premier league.
Arent they down to clubs being involved with champions lge the following week?
Nope, they are trying to do what the Premier League has done for years, get the interest in the far east as they can watch live games. Real Madrid for example are aware of their lack of exposure over their which could be a huge market for them.
Culturally the Spanish are as much opposed to 3pm kickoffs as we are to 8pm kickoffs. I wonder who the fans blame over there without Sky to beat up?!
Late kick offs in Spain, especially in the summer are because of the high temperatures. You really do not want to be playing in 42c on 3pm on a Saturday or Sunday.
I know. Hence why they don't really do or get 3pm kickoffs over there.
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I went to the Ticket Office yesterday for my Fulham tickets and advised the woman on the counter that I would have bought tickets for Sunderland too but as they've moved it I can't make it.
She nodded her head, as did the bloke in the queue when I moaned about games being swapped. She also said that they'd already had loads of tickets returned as a result.
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I had finally managed to persuade my girlfriend to attend her first ever football match, organisigin train tickets and an overnight hotel in Birmingham and then the Sky switch happened. She is delighted.
Does anyone have anything they can recommend for us to do instead of the game over this weekend now?
You're staying at a hotel with your bird?
Can we move this to Off Topic before I reply?
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To add to Stu's reccomendations Warwick, Stratford Upon Avon and Kennilworth are all within an hours train journey and costs about £6-7 return. The trains a re pretty frequent aswell.
Kenilworth hasn't got a train station.
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My £5 Bring A Buddy ticket was magically turned into £7 when the charming Sophie added (right at the end of the summary), a £2 'Booking Fee'.
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Am I right in thinking we've done quite well in Night games at home this season?
Tranmere - Won
Man Utd - Unlucy not to get atleast a point, Lost
Arsenal - Good Performance, Drawn
Reading - Won
Spurs - Ok that was shite
Bradford - Won but not by enough
Newcastle - Amazing Second half performance unlucky
Man City - Deserved a point
Ok maybe not then.
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To add to Stu's reccomendations Warwick, Stratford Upon Avon and Kennilworth are all within an hours train journey and costs about £6-7 return. The trains a re pretty frequent aswell.
Kenilworth hasn't got a train station.
Whoops, a connecting bus from close by Warwick. I know Warwick county council are looking to re-open the old Kennilworth Station in the near future but not before the Sunderland game, sorry.
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Monday night will certainly lower the away support. And with Fletcher out for 6 weeks think things will be in our favour .....
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
Post of the year.
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
Post of the year.
I thank you.
Is there a monetary prize for such?
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I think moving this game fucks us up entirely - we are shit on TV on Monday nights, at home, the pressure will be massive. Refs and the FA want us relegated. I am sure of it.
Post of the year.
I thank you.
Is there a monetary prize for such?
Daft question of the year.
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I moaned when it was switched but I actually had a woman moaning like hell to me earlier tonight about Sky and blaming them that she missed the "best game ever" as her husband had to work.
I couldn't convince her that if it had been played Saturday it more than likely wouldn't have panned out the way it did and we might even have lost.
"How would it have made any difference to the score if we'd have been there?" she said.
I gave up.
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Haha..quality.