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Title: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 16, 2013, 09:42:53 PM
73/75 passes completed today.

Very impressive.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: villan from luton on March 16, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
I think this lad will be a top player, has had a great first season considering he was in Division 3 at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 16, 2013, 09:57:26 PM
not to be picky where did those other 2 passes go then ??
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 16, 2013, 09:59:36 PM
not to be picky where did those other 2 passes go then ??


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Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 16, 2013, 10:02:24 PM
thanks ,  sell him
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 16, 2013, 10:22:10 PM
Westwood's a proper midfield player.

We need much better quality alongside him in central midfield next season though.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: richardhubbard on March 16, 2013, 10:56:17 PM
Like his simple straight forward approach and considering the level of step up he has done well
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: usav on March 16, 2013, 11:10:46 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: OCD on March 16, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
Wasn't that Lowton?
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: neo_Villan on March 16, 2013, 11:18:57 PM
If we can get a proper physical holding midfielder to partner him, then it would really help him. Thought Sylla might be that player but he actually plays quite advanced.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: nigel on March 17, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
not to be picky where did those other 2 passes go then ??

Apparently they were a couple of crosses
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 17, 2013, 10:21:58 AM
not to be picky where did those other 2 passes go then ??

Apparently they were a couple of crosses

Are corners included?
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 17, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: nigel on March 17, 2013, 10:24:07 AM
not to be picky where did those other 2 passes go then ??

Apparently they were a couple of crosses

Are corners included?

I wondered that too.
I wouldn't have thought so.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 17, 2013, 10:25:40 AM
The skill that sets him out from most, and is what quality players have, is his ability to not panic when he has the ball, no matter who's around him and his is always willing to take the ball of someone and give them a pass. And then he generally passes to one of hos own players. Barcelona players all have this.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: nigel on March 17, 2013, 12:05:05 PM
The skill that sets him out from most, and is what quality players have, is his ability to not panic when he has the ball, no matter who's around him and his is always willing to take the ball of someone and give them a pass. And then he generally passes to one of hos own players. Barcelona players all have this.

Agree.
Very 'Stan' Petrov, imo.

Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: darren woolley on March 17, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
He's going to be a top player.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: DrGonzo on March 19, 2013, 08:27:01 AM
Ashley Westwood's 97% pass completion rate v QPR included nine from nine accurate long balls.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on March 19, 2013, 08:36:07 AM
One other thing I like about him is the way he is always communicating with the players around him - you watch him , he is always pointing to where the pass should go / where the players in space are.

Definite future captain,  I think.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2013, 10:33:22 AM
I think he's going to be a very good player indeed.

His ball through to Weimann to pull back for Benteke to score at Reading was sublime.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2013, 12:22:19 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 19, 2013, 12:38:57 PM
Carricks future replacement at Man Utd ;D
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 19, 2013, 01:00:20 PM
He is becoming more ambitious with his passing now as well, I think he'll be a top player.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2013, 01:04:30 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.

Guzman made some top saves as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: peter w on March 19, 2013, 02:01:19 PM
And Clarke was great at the back.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 19, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.

Guzman made some top saves as well.
And Joe Bennett, the former Chesterfield player did well in the build up for our second goal.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2013, 04:17:06 PM
It's embarassing. Had to laugh on one of the commentaries I was listening to when Bowery came on and there seemed to be an audible leafing through of the match-day squads to see who the fuck this big fella was.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: MoetVillan on March 19, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
Bowery has a distinctive "Power" sprint as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 19, 2013, 04:59:52 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.

Guzman made some top saves as well.
And Joe Bennett, the former Chesterfield player did well in the build up for our second goal.

The commentator (not Beelzebub) called him Baker about half-a-dozen times.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: ozzjim on March 19, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Beelzebub is always very fair to us in coms in fairness to him.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on March 19, 2013, 05:36:45 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.

Francis is useless, first he said it was Weimann then corrected himself to Westwood and still got it wrong.

Why does he commentate on so many of our games? The QPR game i could sort of understand, although its not exactly free of bias. Also how many times did they want to mention his hatrick against us in 89.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: rob_bridge on March 20, 2013, 01:07:33 PM
He's a good player, no doubt.   Wish he'd used his left foot though for that chance and he would have scored - and more importantly put the game away at 3-1.

That was Lowton.

Maybe usav was listening to Trevor Francis' erroneous commentary. Half the media don't know who a lot of our players are.

Francis is useless, first he said it was Weimann then corrected himself to Westwood and still got it wrong.

Why does he commentate on so many of our games? The QPR game i could sort of understand, although its not exactly free of bias. Also how many times did they want to mention his hatrick against us in 89.

I think there is basically him and Graham Taylor who are both high profile, live in the area and who are genuine national (international to those of a certain vintage) names and GT is on 5live.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 20, 2013, 01:10:18 PM
Francis always strikes me as very fair with us in his commentary. In fact, almost to the point of being biased towards us at times, mad though that sounds.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 20, 2013, 01:19:19 PM
TF - FFS, I hated him when he managed them.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: paul_e on March 20, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
The biggest problem I have with Francis is that, like most of the ex-players in the media, is too lazy to do any meaningful research before the games, so he relies on clichés and media driven opinions.  On Saturday he said 3-4 things that were just lazy, loads of them being around Weimann and Gabby not being able to play wide of Benteke, oddly he stopped with that nonsense in the 2nd half.   I'm fairly sure I heard one about us missing Bent as well, whilst our front 3, who have about a goal and a half a game between them in 2013, were all scoring.

These 'experts' are the biggest problem with televised sport, you get the odd one who's really on the ball and provides good information (Neville has turned out to be one of these, Jeff Stelling is another good example) but most of them are useless.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2013, 01:57:33 PM
Francis always strikes me as very fair with us in his commentary. In fact, almost to the point of being biased towards us at times, mad though that sounds.

I agree. He's actually really quite complimentary about us given his background and history. I bet he privately wishes he played for us and not that lot. I can imagine far lesser players from their "colourful" past; Claridge, Savage, Tait as examples put in the same position being far less balanced in their observations. Francis doesn't get everything right when commentating on games but it certainly isn't because of any noticeable anti-Villa agenda.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 20, 2013, 02:00:19 PM
Francis always strikes me as very fair with us in his commentary. In fact, almost to the point of being biased towards us at times, mad though that sounds.

I agree. He's actually really quite complimentary about us given his background and history. I bet he privately wishes he played for us and not that lot. I can imagine far lesser players from their "colourful" past; Claridge, Savage, Tait as examples put in the same position being far less balanced in their observations. Francis doesn't get everything right when commentating on games but it certainly isn't because of any noticeable anti-Villa agenda.

The world was different when he played for them. There was rivalry, and violence between sections of our support, but not the all-pervasive 24 hour hatred we get now.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Ads on March 20, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
A long absence made the heart grow fonder.

Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 20, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
A long absence made the heart grow fonder.



Indeed.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Chris Smith on March 20, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
I'd still walk a mile and a bit to rub his face in the shit.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: ACVilla on April 29, 2013, 09:43:46 PM
Ronseal.

Integral.

Love him.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
He's been excellent.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: richardhubbard on April 29, 2013, 09:51:07 PM
Lad class and stepped 4 divisions!
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 30, 2013, 12:45:28 AM
Like Lowton excellent player in the making who understandbly had a dip for a few weeks after the 8-0.

Needs physical presence alongside him in midifeld which is why him, Sylla and Delph looks the best combination for us in midfield this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: supertom on April 30, 2013, 12:51:10 AM
Again, I hope Lambert twigs that we look better with a 3 man mid. Put someone in to help out Delph and Westy and we look better.

Westwood is a class act though. So rarely wastes a pass and is always available.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: nigel on April 30, 2013, 08:32:13 AM
Again, I hope Lambert twigs that we look better with a 3 man mid. Put someone in to help out Delph and Westy and we look better.

Westwood is a class act though. So rarely wastes a pass and is always available.

The work rate of Andi and Gabby cannot be underestimated, with a mid 3 of Westwood, Delph and Sylla their support is vital.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: supertom on April 30, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Again, I hope Lambert twigs that we look better with a 3 man mid. Put someone in to help out Delph and Westy and we look better.

Westwood is a class act though. So rarely wastes a pass and is always available.

The work rate of Andi and Gabby cannot be underestimated, with a mid 3 of Westwood, Delph and Sylla their support is vital.
True. And they do work their bollocks off.
Yesterday we completely ran midfield. Had it been just Westwood and Delph? I'm not sure we would have. If Zog had played, we'd have looked disjointed. As much as he's had a few games where he's done okay. We do still look better when he's not playing. Certainly if Chaz plays, you sacrifice one of our front 3, not a presence in centre mid. One of our major struggling points all season.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: warleyboy on August 28, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Would like to know the feelings of everybody on Westwoods new season.
For me tonight, he played lots of sideways and backwards passing, but no head up and looking for runners.
Is this something Lamborghini wants him doing, because last season he looked much more vibrant and positive.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2013, 11:59:00 PM
I thought he  made bad decisions by choosing the wrong option and/or delaying too long is making the right pass.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2013, 12:02:00 AM
He's been disappointing so far. Then again compared to last season a few have the same form. Westwood, Lowton, Weimann and even Benteke have yet to play really well. And yet we get some decent results and score a few. If everyone hits form we'll win the league I tell ya.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: OCD on August 29, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
I thought he looked 'under-cooked' in the 3 league games (as did Sylla last night) but I thought Westwood played really well last night. His passing was classy, always retaining the ball with some quick 2-touch control and pass movements. He played one or two balls over the top, particularly later in the game and he broke forward for a shot on goal after Gabby had countered. Westy and KEA ran the game last night.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 29, 2013, 01:47:38 PM
He's been disappointing so far. Then again compared to last season a few have the same form. Westwood, Lowton, Weimann and even Benteke have yet to play really well. And yet we get some decent results and score a few. If everyone hits form we'll win the league I tell ya.

I said the same about Lowton and Weimann, I think Gabby and Benteke have looked pretty good so fay though.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2013, 01:55:32 PM
I thought he looked 'under-cooked' in the 3 league games (as did Sylla last night) but I thought Westwood played really well last night. His passing was classy, always retaining the ball with some quick 2-touch control and pass movements. He played one or two balls over the top, particularly later in the game and he broke forward for a shot on goal after Gabby had countered. Westy and KEA ran the game last night.
I thought he was brilliant last night. He's going to be another class act.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: claretandbeer on August 29, 2013, 01:55:41 PM
I thought he had a disappointing first half but a superb second half where he was quicker to the ball ,quicker to close down the opposition and more penetrative in his passing.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2013, 02:53:45 PM
He's not started brilliantly but we're only 3 league games in. He'll get back up to speed soon enough. I think the way we're set up, Ashley is essential. Even though he's been below par so far. I don't think we have anyone else to play the role he does. Karim struggles playing the deeper role. He's actually looked better being in the side and having a bit more freedom and being a bit more advanced of Westy. Put Karim in Westy's position and he'll struggle again I think.

Once he gets into gear and starts picking out a few more telling passes he'll be on it again. I do wish his set pieces would improve though. We're still consistently poor in that area.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2013, 05:33:55 PM
I thought he had a disappointing first half but a superb second half where he was quicker to the ball ,quicker to close down the opposition and more penetrative in his passing.

I agree, we looked to be a bit lax at times in the first half and Westwood was a key part of that, at the start of the 2nd half Benteke stepped up a level and the whole team responded, after which Westwood was superb.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2013, 06:29:41 PM
He's not started brilliantly but we're only 3 league games in. He'll get back up to speed soon enough. I think the way we're set up, Ashley is essential. Even though he's been below par so far. I don't think we have anyone else to play the role he does. Karim struggles playing the deeper role. He's actually looked better being in the side and having a bit more freedom and being a bit more advanced of Westy. Put Karim in Westy's position and he'll struggle again I think.

Once he gets into gear and starts picking out a few more telling passes he'll be on it again. I do wish his set pieces would improve though. We're still consistently poor in that area.

I think he is a really class player but has had a couple of ropey games, but second half against Liverpool and then from about half an hour in last night he looked much better, and significantly looked much happier in himself. Maybe a bit of confidence building for him at the start of his second season, but longer term I just have no worries about him at all. He is a damn good player, and they tend to come through slower patches.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2013, 06:31:33 PM
I haven't seen any of our football since the Arsenal game, because I've been away but I really rate Westwood and he is going to be class.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: nigel on August 29, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
He's been disappointing so far. Then again compared to last season a few have the same form. Westwood, Lowton, Weimann and even Benteke have yet to play really well. And yet we get some decent results and score a few. If everyone hits form we'll win the league I tell ya.

 The players mentioned were the stand out outfield players last season.
Do you think that the other players are just playing better and therefore those 4 don't stand out so much?

Look at Delph, he had a great end to the season and has carried it on this season, and so far has been the stand out player for me..
Guzan hasn't had that much to do, so the defence must be playing better.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Maybe a bit of confidence building for him at the start of his second season, but longer term I just have no worries about him at all. He is a damn good player, and they tend to come through slower patches.

There was an interview with him just after he'd broken through last year, possibly after the 3-1 at Liverpool where he said (to paraphrase) "he wanted to be dropped and taken out of the limelight after his poor debut."  When he signed I think he thought he'd be playing a lot of reserve football initially.  So I think you're right that he lacks a bit of confidence.  A rare breed of footballer to even think it, let alone say it.
Title: Re: Ashley Westwood
Post by: villa kicks on August 29, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
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Francis always strikes me as very fair with us in his commentary. In fact, almost to the point of being biased towards us at times, mad though that sounds.
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Someone mention sounding mad  ;D I'm with you on thjs seems to love us off...however it's a direct contrasts to Brian little who not always so positive in comms pro villa
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