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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 09, 2013, 04:35:50 PM
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Available Sunday afternoon.
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Massive win, not the best of games but the result is all that counts today - great goal from nzogbia and nerve-wracking finale but we got the win - well done all enjoy your sunday !
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God almighty, so nearly fucking lost it near the end. Thank you Brad and praise to Clark today he was excellent. Bent did very well when he came on.
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We won but don't be fooled...
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Thank fuck for that.
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Oh, thank you sweet Lord. Even though we tried to throw it away.
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Massive.. Massive win. Not a great performance, but well done Villa. We needed that.
Out of the bottom 3 - Lets build on that!
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Im still shaking
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Get in there valuable three points well done lads.
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Massive win, not the best of games but the result is all that counts today - great goal from nzogbia and nerve-wracking finale but we got the win - well done all enjoy your sunday !
Understatement, but I agree a win is all that matters!
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Phew. Bowery the wrong selection over Dawkins. Otherwise, Lambo chose right. A role has to be found for Bent. Not many signs that we can win 4 or 5 more this season.
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that'll do boys, that'll do. onwards and upwards.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
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That'll do nicely, a crucial 3 points
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A win is a win and boy did we need that, the first must win we have managed in a long time.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
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We have the ability to play so well, to score very good goals, we turn to suicide football. We also might be the unluckiest team out there with bizarre situations, and West Ham's goal is another example. How on earth they do not know how to defend late goals, gamesmanship, time waste wasting whatever. It's still such a massive concern but we needed today because the next two games are very hard.
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Big result. Takes us out of the bottom three with a two week break coming up.
Why does it have to be so excruciating. Only Villa could concede a goal like that.
Well played Guzan and Clark. A lot better defensively until they all decided to line up alongside Guzan at the end. Delph is a much improved player.
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Best team won but West Ham were very very poor.
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We don't make things easy for ourselves do we. Jesus.
Finally we've ground out a win. We need more of this. But AGAIN, we almost gifted back a point to a side we should have well beaten. Thank Christ for the Goose.
Great to see N'Zog get a deserved goal for all his work of late. He looks more confident and above all you could see how much the goal meant to him. Hopefully the injury isn't too serious, because he's the only spark we have in midfield.
Benteke is always a threat. It wasn't his best game by any stretch but when called upon he scored.
For me, Bent came on, and put himself about. He showed willingness to work and didn't negate Bentekes ability to get into good areas. He needs to start the next game alongside Benteke as Andy's just hitting a brick wall at the minute.
Dawkins gave a bit more balance and impetus that Bowery couldn't. It's clear though, Bowery isn't a wide man, and nor as Weimann.
Delph did pretty well. Westy okay.
Clark was fairly solid, but again, there's always an error in him. We give away such fucking stupid freekicks at times. It has to stop if we want to stay up.
3 points though. Out of the bottom 3. We've opened a healthy gap over QPR too.
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Good performance. Great team selection. Enjoy the win boys and girls. UTV!!!
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My heart is still beating out of my chest!
A massive 3 points, given the games we have coming up they will be needed.
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My face has contorted in to a rather unfamiliar position. The sides of my lips have moved up towards my eyes. How weird.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
My goodness, very sorry to hear that too. My deepest condolences
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Thank fuck for that.
The team defended admirably today.
Kudos to all on the pitch.
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Fuck me that was ugly at the end. I nearly passed out, my heart still racing!
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Top marks go to Benteke for a great penalty under pressure.
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We don't make things easy for ourselves do we. Jesus.
Finally we've ground out a win. We need more of this. But AGAIN, we almost gifted back a point to a side we should have well beaten. Thank Christ for the Goose.
Great to see N'Zog get a deserved goal for all his work of late. He looks more confident and above all you could see how much the goal meant to him. Hopefully the injury isn't too serious, because he's the only spark we have in midfield.
Benteke is always a threat. It wasn't his best game by any stretch but when called upon he scored.
For me, Bent came on, and put himself about. He showed willingness to work and didn't negate Bentekes ability to get into good areas. He needs to start the next game alongside Benteke as Andy's just hitting a brick wall at the minute.
Dawkins gave a bit more balance and impetus that Bowery couldn't. It's clear though, Bowery isn't a wide man, and nor as Weimann.
Delph did pretty well. Westy okay.
Clark was fairly solid, but again, there's always an error in him. We give away such fucking stupid freekicks at times. It has to stop if we want to stay up.
3 points though. Out of the bottom 3. We've opened a healthy gap over QPR too.
about spot on ST
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Likewise to Tuscans. Chin up fella.
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Guzan, Clark, Vlaar and Delph all had fantastic games.
Westwood, Weimann and Bowery all had games to forget.
N'Zogbia and Benteke didn't have great games but still produce chances and finishes.
Also Baker and Lowton did solid if unspectacular jobs down the flanks, they really did cut out a lot of crosses even if quite a few snuck through.
Great win. Onwards and upwards.
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Im still shaking
Me too! Trembling like leaf in a hurricane.
Wow.
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Got my two year old running around shouting "come on you Lions!"
Absolutely thrilled we won that. Massive win. Long way to go but it's a start.
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That was not a good game, but the quintessential win at all costs game. When Dawkins and Bent came on our shape was much better, Bowery worked hard but he is never a right midfielder. N'Zog hopefully won't be injured. Guzan saved us and that was the best centre half performance from Clark i've seen in a long time.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
Thanks mate, surprising how a win can just make things a little brighter.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
My goodness, very sorry to hear that too. My deepest condolences
Thanks mate, surprising how a win can just make things a little brighter.
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We weren't much cop today; West Ham were worse.
But we did defend a bit better than in recent games although we still almost managed to find a way to fuck it up from 2-0.
Getting out of the bottom 3 is a relief for now but 2 very tough games coming up followed by 2 six-pointers.
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Likewise to Tuscans. Chin up fella.
Thanks mate, surprising how a win can just make things a little brighter.
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Lowton reminds me of Gary Nevile . Good player there
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We weren't much cop today; West Ham were worse.
But we did defend a bit better than in recent games although we still almost managed to find a way to fuck it up from 2-0.
Getting out of the bottom 3 is a relief for now but 2 very tough games coming up followed by 2 six-pointers.
Yep agreed. Hopefully holding on for the win will give them more faith.
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I still haven't managed to pull the couch out of my asshole just yet. Where's the butter?
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
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We won but don't be fooled...
Orly? I thought this win meant that we'd have the Prem won by the end of April?
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We simply have to stop giving away balls around our penalty area. If forces us on to the back foot all the time and we concede corners which just adds more pressure. It will haunt us if we cannot fix that between now and the end of the season. Better teams than West Ham will take advantage.
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We simply have to stop giving away balls around our penalty area. If forces us on to the back foot all the time and we concede corners which just adds more pressure. It will haunt us if we cannot fix that between now and the end of the season. Better teams than West Ham will take advantage.
Agreed.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
My goodness, very sorry to hear that too. My deepest condolences
Echo that, look after yourself mate!
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Sincere condolences Tuscans to you and your family, it must be a tough time for you. Stay strong.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
I'm sorry to hear that Tuscans
My goodness, very sorry to hear that too. My deepest condolences
Echo that, look after yourself mate!
Agreed.
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Im still shaking
Glad it's not just me. It's the hope that kills you...
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Honestly think they have done a lot of work on the training field over the last few weeks on defending corners, and it showed today against such a dangerous team with the aerial threat that we can do it.
No matter how the game went, 3pts was all we needed. Please don't let it be another 2 months for the next 3.
Think Gabby would of been dangerous if fit today and hope N'Zogbia isnt too bad as he is a good release ball.
Well done Lambo, subs were spot on.
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
Haha, I locked myself in the kitchen away from the tv
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Thankyou everyone for your meaningful replies. Its nice to hear.
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Vintage Big Sam tactics, not offering too much but making it hard to play against them. I liked Dawkins' positive attitude. I hope he might inspire our midfield to be a bit more positive during games such as this.
I missed the last five minutes. I had an urgent appointment in the kitchen with the kettle.
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When we went down in 86, we were hopeless and lost. Now, we can see very promising players with a good attitude and little experience, confused by flim flam coaching.
If we have settled on 4231, good. If each player knows his role, great. If we stop defending like a hen party, brilliant.
Really not much for any decent coach to sort out. Lambo, if you are not a decent coach, were you just drugging Colchester and Norwich players?
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We won but don't be fooled...
Orly? I thought this win meant that we'd have the Prem won by the end of April?
I don't know how you've got de Gaulle to bring that up
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Fucking yes. I was knackered at the final whistle and couldn't stop shaking.
About time. This, QPR, Fulham & Sunderland + couple of away points should do us (he says).
Positives & negatives, but don't care at the moment!
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Not a great performance, but the lads battled well and deserved to win IMHO. Thought back four looked stronger, Clark had an excellent game, shame we conceded near the end, went to pieces after that. Thought Lambert should have changed it earlier when West Ham came out after the game, not sure Bowery will ever be a premiership player. Delph did well in the middle again, Benteke had quiet game, but great composure for penalty. Weimann had a mare, really struggled after his miss, need to boost his confidence. What was wrong with Gabby?
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Dawkins showed decent energy and I thought our shape improved a lot with Bent and him on the pitch.
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We won but don't be fooled...
Orly? I thought this win meant that we'd have the Prem won by the end of April?
I don't know how you've got de Gaulle to bring that up
Just a flight of fancy I presume.
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Congratulations on your win boys! :D
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Westwood wasn't bad today considering he had a virus. I had one 2 weeks ago and struggled to peel an orange let alone score an o.g.
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Jeeeesus it is cold!
We won and we showed some grit! We look so much better playing with widemen, we looked like creating something when Charlie got wide. Pace is so dangerous in this league.
There was a lack of quality in the game, with West Ham being a tedious percentage football outfit. Carroll is a donkey.
I cannot believe how our luck goes, with the own goal.
A great result, lets hope that we can take the grit we showed, take the confidence and maybe get Dunne back, then we are well in with a shout.
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I wasn't expecting this.
The bastards have given me hope................
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Imagine if Villa had battled in the same way to nick one or three points at home to Wigan and Southampton and Newcastle. Now, we'd be buying rounds for each other, relaxed, watching egg chasers in a B6 pub.
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What a relief! well done Villa, thought Bowery's touch let him down on numerous occasions, more time on the training ground needed. the last 10 minutes of each game lately have been torturous. we need N'zogbia so hope he is ok?
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We battled and ground out a win, we rode our luck and it is going hard 3 months. What was west wood doing ???
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Clark was good. Guzan was good. Delph started bad but got good. Benteke was good-bad-good-bad-good. Bowery is not a Premier League player. Dawkins might be. Bent tried and was decent. Weimann was off colour. Zog was magic.
I was so relieved at the end of the game I almost cried.
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Rode our luck?
That implies we have any luck.
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bang on about it but, 45% (or 47% sky have) of the ball at home is not very good. Wonder what it will be at the emirates...
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Clark was good. Guzan was good. Delph started bad but got good. Benteke was good-bad-good-bad-good. Bowery is not a Premier League player. Dawkins might be. Bent tried and was decent. Weimann was off colour. Zog was magic.
I was so relieved at the end of the game I almost cried.
Yeah agree with that. Bowery isn't good enough to be playing for us at the moment.
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Not getting too carried away...but thank f**k for that! We did our best to mess it up but Guzan bailed us out. Defence was reasonably solid. Midfield still a concern though. Delph's first touch was appalling today. Westwood offered nothing as usual. Bowery didn't really impress and looked really rusty. He is faster then that. Weimann will rest easier knowing that sitter hasn't cost us. I don't really like him out wide anyway. Dawkins looked lively at times. Although I wasn't impressed with him diving for a penalty when he could've had a shot at goal. Benteke must be the coolest penalty taker we've had. Sends the keeper the wrong way every time. Great FK by Zog to win it. No amazing performances today and Clark probably deserves MOTM. Not pretty...but 3 points.
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We'll have him! :D
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It was a good win. What the team needs now is the fans to play a positive role. The relegation scrap generates nerves and these young players need the confidence to believe that they can get away from the danger zone. A clean sheet would be nice and would be something to build on. Is Dunne close to getting back?
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Congratulations on your win boys! :D
Thankyou. :)
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I thought on balance we deserved it just about, and won ugly as Lambert had talked about.
I thought Vlaar had a good game and Clark made some essential interceptions on low crosses into the box. Guzan was, IMO, slightly out of position and got caught for the goal but had an excellent game apart from that.
Westwood looked and played like a man who had not eaten for a few days, and should not have been out there really.
Weimann let the miss kill his whole match and unless scoring, his all round game is very suspect. He is great with confidence and dire without, but works his bollocks off whatever so should be forgiven and is on the way to being an excellent player.
Benteke struggled I thought, and I think he feels the pressure a lot more at VP than away from home where he is a beast. Amazing pen though.
NZogbia was woeful until Bent and Dawkins arrived, and they drew defenders to give him the room to get at the defenders. Stunning free kick, and he is and has proven in the past to be a ticket out of the situation we are in. Give him the ball in areas he can hurt teams. Get him confident.
Delph I was impressed again. Energy, fight, some nice touches, but he runs the ball on his 3/4th touch too far time and again and loses it or has to make a tackle. Take a breath, calm and keep the ball lad.
Baker played well at left back IMO, but needs to not dive in. Brilliant header of Carroll.
Delighted to win. It feels nice to win.
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Not getting too carried away...but thank f**k for that! We did our best to mess it up but Guzan bailed us out. Defence was reasonably solid. Midfield still a concern though. Delph's first touch was appalling today. Westwood offered nothing as usual. Bowery didn't really impress and looked really rusty. He is faster then that. Weimann will rest easier knowing that sitter hasn't cost us. I don't really like him out wide anyway. Dawkins looked lively at times. Although I wasn't impressed with him diving for a penalty when he could've had a shot at goal. Benteke must be the coolest penalty taker we've had. Sends the keeper the wrong way every time. Great FK by Zog to win it. No amazing performances today and Clark probably deserves MOTM. Not pretty...but 3 points.
Watch the Dawkins one again. He is already stumbling and their guys thigh catches his back leg into his other when the ball has gone taking him to the floor. It wasn't a dive, but wasn't a pen.
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Given the pressure, both the penalty and free kick were absolutely massive
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
That's the spirit.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
So no positives at all then? I think the fact that we actually held on for a win, however it was achieved will do wonders for the psychology of the players. That dressing room while relieved will be really happy, and training next week will be so much better. Yes, we need to play better, and yes we got lucky, but don't downplay the impact of a win.
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Relieved to finally chalk up a win, and for once not to throw away a two goal cushion - although we had a go. Bent's clearance off the line was vital. Baker is like a bull in a china shop at times, no wonder he gets crocked so often. Felt a bit sorry for Weimann, he'd normally have buried that chance, and he was obviously gutted by it.
Although a lot of it is bad defending, we do seem to have some ill luck with goals conceded, they seem to be flying in from all angles and distances with very little compensating fortune at the other end.
We need to build on that now.
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I thought on balance we deserved it just about, and won ugly as Lambert had talked about.
I thought Vlaar had a good game and Clark made some essential interceptions on low crosses into the box. Guzan was, IMO, slightly out of position and got caught for the goal but had an excellent game apart from that.
Westwood looked and played like a man who had not eaten for a few days, and should not have been out there really.
Weimann let the miss kill his whole match and unless scoring, his all round game is very suspect. He is great with confidence and dire without, but works his bollocks off whatever so should be forgiven and is on the way to being an excellent player.
Benteke struggled I thought, and I think he feels the pressure a lot more at VP than away from home where he is a beast. Amazing pen though.
NZogbia was woeful until Bent and Dawkins arrived, and they drew defenders to give him the room to get at the defenders. Stunning free kick, and he is and has proven in the past to be a ticket out of the situation we are in. Give him the ball in areas he can hurt teams. Get him confident.
Delph I was impressed again. Energy, fight, some nice touches, but he runs the ball on his 3/4th touch too far time and again and loses it or has to make a tackle. Take a breath, calm and keep the ball lad.
Baker played well at left back IMO, but needs to not dive in. Brilliant header of Carroll.
Delighted to win. It feels nice to win.
I thought Baker was very suspect at left back, they constantly used that channel to get crosses in and he never stopped them and also he gave away some stupid fouls. Agree that Bent and Dawkins massively helped N'Zog.
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Has Allardyce quit yet?
;-)
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Just on my way home, thank god for that!
I thought Baker and Guzan were superb, N'Zogbia and Clark played very well, Bowery struggled and Delph was his usual enigmatic self.
On a side note, West Ham really are poor aren't they.
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Can anyone tell me why Bent got booked? At the time it looked like one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. There was no chat about it on the commentary though.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
That's the spirit.
To be fair, the truth does lie somewhere in between. Both teams are poor. Big Sam is so cynical in his approach that he cannot win ongoing enthusiasm from Ammers fans. They just want to stay up, as do we now. Villa do have good players for the future, who need to learn to grind them out now. Lambert, rather than keep it simple, appears determined to confuse them without cause.
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Still too lightweight in midfield.Need to try and beef it up in the centre, maybe get this Silla fella in.
Bakers aeriel power makes a lot of difference tbh, he won a lot of important headers today, but dives in , and gets caught out of position a bit too much, but he should play.
I thought Westwood was defensively poor today, lets players drift off him too much.
We were vulnerable today, but West Ham were too negative, and too shit to exploit it.
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bang on about it but, 45% (or 47% sky have) of the ball at home is not very good. Wonder what it will be at the emirates...
We had 60%+ in the first half.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
sorry to hear. All the best.
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Is Dunne close to getting back?
If the rumour I heard is correct, he's been fit for weeks.
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Yes sorry to hear that Tuscans, best wishes.
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Best wishes tuscans, thinking of you mate and your family.
The result today is the main thing , now lets hope we can move forward with a bit of confidence.
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Watch the Dawkins one again. He is already stumbling and their guys thigh catches his back leg into his other when the ball has gone taking him to the floor. It wasn't a dive, but wasn't a pen.
I see. I still thought he could've got a shot away and instead looked for the penalty.
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Can anyone tell me why Bent got booked? At the time it looked like one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. There was no chat about it on the commentary though.
Persistent fouling I thought. He had pushed their defender several times before then.
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When Zog scored it was great to see every player charge over to celebrate with him.
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I thought Baker was very suspect at left back
Maybe because he's not a LB. He made several important aerial challenges and defended welll at set pieces.
We are clearly lacking a decent Lb and I was surprised that Stephens was not involved; at least he looks reasonably safe in defence.
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Hard to judge the performance itself because we were under colossal pressure to win today. Maybe if we'd got that early goal we'd have relaxed a little but it wasn't to be.
Credit where it's due, we defended the set pieces well enough and it would have been a clean sheet but for the freak own goal. I think Bent makes a difference because his movement is excellent and he drags defenders around, even if the ball doesn't reach him. N'Zog did well and should stay right wing. Benteke deserves a lot of credit for slotting that penalty away under huge pressure. Would like to see more of Dawkins if Gabby is unavailable.
Overall, a monumental win and something to build upon hopefully.
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When Zog scored it was great to see every player charge over to celebrate with him.
Wasn't great to see Wilkins try and make something out of the fact they did with him but not Benteke.
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I thought Baker was very suspect at left back
Maybe because he's not a LB. He made several important aerial challenges and defended welll at set pieces.
We are clearly lacking a decent Lb and I was surprised that Stephens was not involved; at least he looks reasonably safe in defence.
I wasn't criticising him as a player, I was criticising him as a left back.
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Hallelujah - a win at villa park . Get in !!!
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I thought Baker was very suspect at left back
Maybe because he's not a LB. He made several important aerial challenges and defended welll at set pieces.
We are clearly lacking a decent Lb and I was surprised that Stephens was not involved; at least he looks reasonably safe in defence.
I wasn't criticising him as a player, I was criticising him as a left back.
Even with those flaws, he'd be my first choice left back all day. Bennett is too raw, Stevens isn't good enough, nor is Lichaj.
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When Zog scored it was great to see every player charge over to celebrate with him.
Wasn't great to see Wilkins try and make something out of the fact they did with him but not Benteke.
Nothing sinister at all. At that point, even for our players, they thought 2 would be enough. It was a sight from the North stand though. As soon as it was over the wall I shouted "It's in". And then looking at the pitch and not seeing one C & B shirt on it as they were all in the corner was tremendous.
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When Zog scored it was great to see every player charge over to celebrate with him.
Wasn't great to see Wilkins try and make something out of the fact they did with him but not Benteke.
I wouldn't be too concerned by the opinions of Mr Charisma himself.
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Can anyone tell me why Bent got booked? At the time it looked like one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. There was no chat about it on the commentary though.
Persistent fouling I thought. He had pushed their defender several times before then.
Cheers. I missed the 5 mins after he came on.
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On my way back from the game, my God I am a nervous wreck after that. It was a shocking game but fair play to the lads for seeing it out. Benteke must be one of coolest penalty takers I've seen, considering the pressure he was under it was perfect.
With the point we got last week and these 3 we have a platform to build on and need to keep this going. I fancy us to get something against Arsenal.
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Just thawing out using the "we've just won a game" inner glow
At 1-0 you just knew we needed another and what a great goal for the Zog.
Fun celebrations with the Italian contingent in the Upper Trinity who seemed bemused when we went mental and started pummelling each other and then them! But not as shocked as the American teens...
A couple of early balls into Bent and Benteke in the 2nd half would have seen us clear before they scored
To misqioute the Bard "a win, is a win by any other name..."
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Thank fcuk we hold on to that, another collapse in injury time would've certainly relegated us imo given how garbage West Ham were for 90% of the game.
N'zogbia is a huge player for us now, hopefully the injury he picked up isn't too bad. Thought Dawkins looked decent when he came on aswell.
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It was critical to hold on, absolutely vital. Had we thrown that away we'd be relegated now.
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West Ham manager Sam Allardyce:
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
Talk about sour grapes. Contributed nothing, we passed you off the pitch first half. Twat.
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Is Dunne close to getting back?
If the rumour I heard is correct, he's been fit for weeks.
Rumour being?,
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From the BBC website
West Ham manager Sam Allardyce:
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
Don't know which game he was at, West ham were garbage at best and came for a point.
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Just got back. I must say West Ham were awful I expected more from them.
When Weimann missed that unmissable chance the bloke next to us laughed and went to the gents...that early!.
I doubt if any of you watching on streams at home were fooled into thinking Lamberts got any idea what his best team or system is.
I think its possible Charles went down to easily for the penalty, although my view was slightly obscured, but his free kick for the second was excellent.
I know Clark had a good game but he is not a centre half. Baker is a centre half not a left back although he was strong and did well.
I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Delph was good in the main and Bent appeared to be trying very hard when he came on.
Weimann needs a rest for a couple of games.
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But apart from that you were pleased, yes?
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From the BBC website
West Ham manager Sam Allardyce:
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
Don't know which game he was at, West ham were garbage at best and came for a point.
And all the interviewer had to say was Villa players scored all three goals in that match and your players scored none.
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Full credit to the team... maybe it wasn't pretty but it's 3 POINTS!!!! Woo-hoo!
Great to see N'Zog finally get a crucial goal - hope he is not injured.
Full credit to the fans as well - the weather looked horrendous, cold and wet!
Onwards and upwards!
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Get the fucking fuck in!!!!
P.s. I'm still soaked and frozen so can hardly type. UTV
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Fuck off Allardyce, your team offers nothing ever.
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But apart from that you were pleased, yes?
I missed that out! Yes I was very pleased indeed with the result but not Lamberts tactical expertise!
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PHEW!
Well that was a really boring game, one that until the penalty I was tempted to turn over, it was an appalling game. West Ham were awful mind, I said to my friend at half time if we don't beat these we deserve to go down. The back 4 looked a lot more solid this week which is a big plus. A penalty out of nothing and phenomenal free kick one us this game
Lets enjoy it, but theres a hellova long way to go yet.
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Fat Sam has lost it.
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Bowery has no pace at all .... failed to go past his man every time ....dont see the point in us signing him ...must have better in the academy ...isnt as if he has bags of experience either ...strange one
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
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West Ham manager Sam Allardyce:
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
Talk about sour grapes. Contributed nothing, we passed you off the pitch first half. Twat.
I thought West spam were awful, They came for a draw and got what they deserved.
To be honest they didn't even deserve that goal and I was hoping we might get a clean sheet.
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Great decision by the ref for the penalty. It was like going top of the league, winning today. I am delighted for N'Zogbia that there was nobody else on the pitch ready to snatch the ball off him for the free kick.
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From the BBC website
West Ham manager Sam Allardyce:
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
Don't know which game he was at, West ham were garbage at best and came for a point.
Wow, what a load of shite. West Ham were probably the worst team I've seen this season, including us against Wigan.
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I am going to kidnap allardyce and reverse over him in my car
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Really sorry to hear that, Tuscans. All the best.
Know what you mean about the small smile.
Here are some reasons for mine -
A win!
Out of the bottom 3!
Dawkins looks good!
NZog's goal was wonderful!
Benteke's still knocking em in!
Clark's international game must have given him confidence.
Brad and the team can defend. Not against Westwood - but as long as he doesn't make a habit of it, they should do better from now.
Thank goodness for all of that.
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I can't believe some prats want Allardyce as manager. They were as anti-football today as Stoke have ever been. They have one plan, lump it towards Carroll/Nolan, close eyes and hope something happens. I'd rather shit razor blades every day than watch that shite week in week out.
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I'm sure Bowery was on to give us extra height, especially from corners and set pieces, as we know how WH play, and we also know how we defend them
if you read the pre match thread some were shitting in there own pants at the thought of what Nolan and Carroll were going to do to us, ripping us to pieces and tearing us a new arsehole were only two of the options,
However they both turned out to be dog shit, and so the need for Bowery was negated somewhat,
But you can't blame Lambert for thinking he might be useful, even though in the end he wasn't needed
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West ham were poor and it shows why big sam has not been offered contract talks - he knows he is the final weeks of his deal and his crass comments will not fool anyone.
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A win a win a win.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy
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It was a good win. What the team needs now is the fans to play a positive role. The relegation scrap generates nerves and these young players need the confidence to believe that they can get away from the danger zone. A clean sheet would be nice and would be something to build on. Is Dunne close to getting back?
The atmosphere was good today. The fans still believe despite the garbage we've watched for most of the season.
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I'm just surprised West Ham's fans have put up with Allardyce's anti-football for so long. Only a matter of time before they replace him for Di Canio.
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And for anyone who has doubted how much they care they should have seen Weimann after his miss. Or Guzan after our goals, he celebrated more than some of the people around me. Or the way Lowton reacted after their goal, like a captain. And mainly, at the final whistle. They do care.
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I doubt he has got what it takes to make it in this league - but today he made the most of his limited ability & experience and did the best he could. He fully deserved the applause when he went off for his commitment and effort. He looked better today as he was playing against Wet Spam who have a team full of championship players.
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Phewwww
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Fuck me I loved that win, even if I did have to change my trousers on the way home, and it wasn't from the rain!
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Allardyce came for the point and got what he deserved, nothing. First half they managed to kill the game, making it very difficult for us to find the space for Benteke. Second half, he'd obviously told them to have a go and to be fair, for 5 minutes they did. But in doing so, they opened up the game and we could finally start running at them. Two-nil would have been a fair result against such negative tactics that have seen West Ham score only two goals outside of London all season. He should shut the f*uck up and concentrate on trying to keep them up. They've some very tough games coming up and with his tactics, I can't see them picking up many points.
It was a tough game for us but mainly because West Ham didn't want to know, which is kind of strange after their convincing win against Swansea. Almost feel sorry for the West Ham fans. It's probably only their demands on the team to perform at Upton Park that will manage to keep them up, though it may not be enough to keep Fat Sam in a job come the summer.
Pleasing performances from Guzan, Clark, Delph and Zog (second half). We really missed Gabby today, Bowery put in a shift but never really managed to threaten their defence. No worries, he played out of position and he's still learning. At least Holman wasn't brought back. Overall, the 3 points are what count but with Gabby hopefully back against Arsenal, we'll have a bit more balance to the side, not to mention, a bit more confidence. Just a shame we never kept a clean sheet, the defence deserved it today.
Tuscans, sorry for you loss. Stay strong.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
Dear Lord...
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Allardyce has just been on SSN saying how West Ham deserved something from the game, as he reckoned they had dominated most of it, particularly in the second half!
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I doubt he has got what it takes to make it in this league - but today he made the most of his limited ability & experience and did the best he could. He fully deserved the applause when he went off for his commitment and effort. He looked better today as he was playing against Wet Spam who have a team full of championship players.
I think it's hats off to Lambert for again finding a player playing in a lower division who doesn't look out of place at a higher level. For peanuts as well.
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Performance was largely poor against an abysmal West Ham but who cares. 3 points was an absolute must given the next couple of games.
Must admit I fully expected them to equalise in injury time.
I think Lambert really has to get Bent into the side. We looked much better when he and Dawkins came on.
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I thought on balance we deserved it just about, and won ugly as Lambert had talked about.
I thought Vlaar had a good game and Clark made some essential interceptions on low crosses into the box. Guzan was, IMO, slightly out of position and got caught for the goal but had an excellent game apart from that.
Westwood looked and played like a man who had not eaten for a few days, and should not have been out there really.
Weimann let the miss kill his whole match and unless scoring, his all round game is very suspect. He is great with confidence and dire without, but works his bollocks off whatever so should be forgiven and is on the way to being an excellent player.
Benteke struggled I thought, and I think he feels the pressure a lot more at VP than away from home where he is a beast. Amazing pen though.
NZogbia was woeful until Bent and Dawkins arrived, and they drew defenders to give him the room to get at the defenders. Stunning free kick, and he is and has proven in the past to be a ticket out of the situation we are in. Give him the ball in areas he can hurt teams. Get him confident.
Delph I was impressed again. Energy, fight, some nice touches, but he runs the ball on his 3/4th touch too far time and again and loses it or has to make a tackle. Take a breath, calm and keep the ball lad.
Baker played well at left back IMO, but needs to not dive in. Brilliant header of Carroll.
Delighted to win. It feels nice to win.
I thought Baker was very suspect at left back, they constantly used that channel to get crosses in and he never stopped them and also he gave away some stupid fouls. Agree that Bent and Dawkins massively helped N'Zog.
Probably shows how terrible Bennett and the other options are at LB that I was quite happy to see Baker there today probably just for the extra height.
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
Well thats one way to relieve stress I suppose.
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I think all those calling for Diame were generally embarrassed today Delph MOM and far superior
Guzan 8
Vlaar 7.5
Clark 7.5
Baker 7.5
Lowton 7
N'Zogbia 8
Westwood 7
Delph 8 8)
Benteke 8
Bowery 6
Weimann 6.5
Bent 6.5
Dawkins 6.5
Sylla n/a
UTV
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Special mention to Bent. That goal line clearance could be invaluable come the end of the season. Felt it worth a mention as i've given him stick in the past so credit where it's due.
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You could hear the tackle that Baker got booked for.
It was a cracker.
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After Weimann missed that early open goal I really thought it wasn't going to be our day. Pretty flat first half and very flat atmosphere. West Ham looked like they'd come for a point and didn't really offer a threat until the last 10 minutes then it was all hands to the pump to repel the inevitable aerial bombardment, and thank fcuk we've got Brad Guzan in goal. Thought we defended pretty well, although we still give away far too many unnecessary free kicks. Not sure what Bowery can offer - looked out of his depth - Gabby in that position would have had a field day. Didn't see enough of Sylla to form an opinion. Men of the match for me were Delph and, for his heroics at the end, Guzan. Massive 3 points
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
Well thats one way to relieve stress I suppose.
Depends whos standing in front of you chipsticks ;D
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Alladyce can fuck right off - he is full of shit most of the time.
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Great decision by the ref for the penalty. It was like going top of the league, winning today. I am delighted for N'Zogbia that there was nobody else on the pitch ready to snatch the ball off him for the free kick.
I thought one of the reasons the West Ham wall failed to jump was they expected Vlaar to smash the ball from the free kick.
Delighted for N'Zogbia. Ever since I said I never want to see him in a Villa shirt again, he's really raised his game. Hopefully the goal will give him even more confidence and he'll continue to prove what a good player he can be.
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Special mention to Bent. That goal line clearance could be invaluable come the end of the season. Felt it worth a mention as i've given him stick in the past so credit where it's due.
Totally agree, although his needless foul when putting Benteke through probably cost us another goal.
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You could hear the tackle that Baker got booked for.
It was a cracker.
I had a great view of it from the Lower North. Took everything. Not sure he needed to make the challenge but feck me it was old skool.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
Dear Lord...
He may be right but just for ONE day enjoy the win. We have games left against other poor teams too
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I am going to kidnap allardyce and reverse over him in my car
That's one hell of a speed bump..
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After Weimann missed that early open goal I really thought it wasn't going to be our day. Pretty flat first half and very flat atmosphere. West Ham looked like they'd come for a point and didn't really offer a threat until the last 10 minutes then it was all hands to the pump to repel the inevitable aerial bombardment, and thank fcuk we've got Brad Guzan in goal. Thought we defended pretty well, although we still give away far too many unnecessary free kicks. Not sure what Bowery can offer - looked out of his depth - Gabby in that position would have had a field day. Didn't see enough of Sylla to form an opinion. Men of the match for me were Delph and, for his heroics at the end, Guzan. Massive 3 points
Gabby has been playing at the top level all his career. Bowery has not although if he was fit, Gabby would probably have started. I didn't think Bowery was shown up as much as some have said although the time he cut into the box he should have hit it but tried to play inside instead.
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Couldn't understand why Jarvis was an unused sub for them, player with pace and an excellent crosser.
They'll be burning effegies of Big Sam in the East end just for that.
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Villa win, Gloucester win, England win. This is the holy grail that I have never realised until today. And I'm too ill to drink beer. There's always something to moan about.
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Was it just me who was reminded of the Newcastle game a few years ago? The crowd, the players, the management, everyone knew that this was the must-win and everyone ground it out. Hopefully it will be as much a platform for survival as that game turned out to be.
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
Well thats one way to relieve stress I suppose.
Depends whos standing in front of you chipsticks ;D
Is it weird that I'd consider giving Benteke head if it meant he played his entire career at Villa?
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Thank christ for the win, losing today didn't bear thinking about. Shocking miss from young Weimann early on, but he's been great this season so can forgive him that. Benteke always looks like the player most likely to score, although what we were doing starting with a player like Bowery in a game this important beggars belief. It's looking like it's going to be three team from four to go down, so somehow we need to maintain the momentum now. We'll be lucky to get anything out of the next two games, so Reading at home is going to be a huge game.
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I was on my knees at the end of the game.
Well thats one way to relieve stress I suppose.
Depends whos standing in front of you chipsticks ;D
Is it weird that I'd consider giving Benteke head if it meant he played his entire career at Villa?
Yes it is !
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Was it just me who was reminded of the Newcastle game a few years ago? The crowd, the players, the management, everyone knew that this was the must-win and everyone ground it out. Hopefully it will be as much a platform for survival as that game turned out to be.
I remember that game fondly, my first time standing right at the back of the Upper Holte. Sang my knackers off and loved it.
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Thank christ for the win, losing today didn't bear thinking about. Shocking miss from young Weimann early on, but he's been great this season so can forgive him that. Benteke always looks like the player most likely to score, although what we were doing starting with a player like Bowery in a game this important beggars belief. It's looking like it's going to be three team from four to go down, so somehow we need to maintain the momentum now. We'll be lucky to get anything out of the next two games, so Reading at home is going to be a huge game.
Its reading away risso!
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Apart from the win, the most pleasing aspect of today was our midfield. Seeing the team selection, I really expected us to get ripped a new one.
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Couldn't understand why Jarvis was an unused sub for them, player with pace and an excellent crosser.[\b]
They'll be burning effegies of Big Sam in the East end just for that.
Allardice - was a player with no pace and an absolute tosser
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Thank christ for the win, losing today didn't bear thinking about. Shocking miss from young Weimann early on, but he's been great this season so can forgive him that. Benteke always looks like the player most likely to score, although what we were doing starting with a player like Bowery in a game this important beggars belief. It's looking like it's going to be three team from four to go down, so somehow we need to maintain the momentum now. We'll be lucky to get anything out of the next two games, so Reading at home is going to be a huge game.
Its reading away risso!
Er yes, so it is! Still huge though!
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We'll be lucky to get anything out of the next two games, so Reading at home is going to be a huge game.
TBH, both of those matches are those ones were we could easily get something, or we could lose badly. Benteke should get goals against that Arse defence and they are not normally a team that capitalises on corners. But they could pull us apart quite easily if on their game. As for Citeh, well Balotelli isn't playing anymore so who knows.
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
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Thank christ for the win, losing today didn't bear thinking about. Shocking miss from young Weimann early on, but he's been great this season so can forgive him that. Benteke always looks like the player most likely to score, although what we were doing starting with a player like Bowery in a game this important beggars belief. It's looking like it's going to be three team from four to go down, so somehow we need to maintain the momentum now. We'll be lucky to get anything out of the next two games, so Reading at home is going to be a huge game.
Obviously Gabby was going to start today before illness so I just assumed Lambert wanted to play 4 attackers like at Everton last week so Bowery could do an imitation of Gabby.
I thought he worked hard but like most of our lower league signings lacks quality at key moments. Dawkins looked pretty bright in his cameo.
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Apart from the win, the most pleasing aspect of today was our midfield. Seeing the team selection, I really expected us to get ripped a new one.
Luckily Big Sam's tactics of starting with 5-3-2 and plating the ball up to Carroll at every opportunity helped us out. Also Delph having a blinder helped as well.
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N'Zogbia pretty much won the game for us today and has arguably been our best player since he's come back from injury. Certainly a player who you think something might happen when he's on the ball. Obviously it doesn't all come off for him, but it didn't for A.Young either.
Benteke is frustrating. When hanging on, he stood around allowing their players more time on the ball when, understandably, our defence & midfield were dropping deeper. He needs to be more committed, he'd be a much better player for it. Very good penalty though, saw the goalie move and so put it the other way.
Delph. I don't get him. Stupid, reckless challenges. Over runs when in possession. Positioning is poor. Likely to make mistakes. cant deny his 100% effort, but he's just not good enough. I know he got MOTM, but everyone around me in the Holte was very surprised with that.
How are West Ham that many points ahead of us???
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
Risso might swop...
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Was a toss up between Delph and Clark for my MOTM.
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Thank god for 3 points, bit mystified about Charlie, great goal but his final ball at times is awful, Westwood if playing while ill, showed that he was ill, Baker left back suspect but gave us added height and strength , if Bowery is the answer not sure what the question was, but showed the lack of quality in the squad if he gets a start if Gabbys injured, but yet again thank god for 3 points, now to build on that regardless of who we are playing, because weekends results wont always be like this weekend.
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
Risso might swop...
Yeah but Risso thinks we're playing Reading at home soon ...... :P
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
i dont think they do want to put up with it, but its a bit like us with TSM you dont get a chioce and you still want to support the team
i suppose his name gets mentioned on here because he knows how to keep a team up, lets face it WH are poor but they wont go down because big sams football does produce points
i like you cant stand that sort of stuf though, and if thats what football was all about i would walk away from watching the game, thankfully its not
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Tonight will be the first Match of the Day I will have watched since beating Liverpool. Looking forward to it!
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
i dont think they do want to put up with it, but its a bit like us with TSM you dont get a chioce and you still want to support the team
i suppose his name gets mentioned on here because he knows how to keep a team up, lets face it WH are poor but they wont go down because big sams football does produce points
i like you cant stand that sort of stuf though, and if thats what football was all about i would walk away from watching the game, thankfully its not
Them singing "Big Fat Sam's claret and blue army" indicates they don't hate it though. What they produced today was as bad as anything Stoke have ever produced. Made the stuff we played under MON look like Brazil '70.
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I have felt a surge of optimism this evening. Partly because we're out of the bottom 3, partly because we defended a bit better, partly because we scored a couple despite having a bad day up front, but mainly because it was an absolute must win today and we somehow found a way to do just that.
Tougher tests to come but it was a good day today.
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For once our defence to a man showed real desire to get their heads on the ball ahead of the opposition. Baker may not be too convincing as a left back but the lad has guts and isn't afraid of getting hurt. He was able supported by Vlaar and Clark and the reassuring Guzan who came and collected crosses whenever possible. I can only think Bowery was selected for his physical presence defending corners and free kicks. His contribution was valuable in that respect.
All in all a spirited performance, a deserved win and a vital three points.
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It amazes me that the West Ham fans put up with that shite every week. Aren't they supposed to be all about the academy and something approaching football?
After seeing that is anyone still insane enough to want Allardyce anywhere near B6?
i dont think they do want to put up with it, but its a bit like us with TSM you dont get a chioce and you still want to support the team
i suppose his name gets mentioned on here because he knows how to keep a team up, lets face it WH are poor but they wont go down because big sams football does produce points
i like you cant stand that sort of stuf though, and if thats what football was all about i would walk away from watching the game, thankfully its not
Them singing "Big Fat Sam's claret and blue army" indicates they don't hate it though. What they produced today was as bad as anything Stoke have ever produced. Made the stuff we played under MON look like Brazil '70.
like i say he will keep them up, so its difficult for them to complain to much,
but the chances are he could be gone at the seasons end, and that wll not be because of the owners only, but because of the fans,
there are plenty of people on here who would rather put up with Big Sam football as long as we stayed in the prem with all its limitations and awfullness to watch, than drop down and rebuild from the championship, so thats the position the WH fans are in,
its crap but hey were in the prem
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
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Just drove 200 miles after spur of moment decision to suppport the boys. My lads were crying cold and wet. But my god I feel good now! What a last 20 mins after 70 mins of dross. What a ride!
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
I must admit I thought he had a great game.
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We'll have to disagree but at the end of the day we won and only a flukey own goal breached our defence so good overall display. If Clark can play like that every week we'll be much better. Bowery offered a physical presence today and served a purpose, but he shouldn't be anywhere near starting in future games..
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That was not an enjoyable experience, until the end at least. Big Sam is deluded, saying the West Ham performance was excellent. I thought they were a complete shower of shite in the first half.
Much better defensively for the most part, though still too ragged at times. Top marks to Guzan, Clark and to a slightly lesser extent Vlaar and Baker.
Delph was really very good for about 70% of the game. Quite headless for the other bits though - too eager to run at pace. But (despite what some on here say) you could say what he could be about today. Very quick feet.
Thought Westwtood was pretty mediocre - hopefully the illness - and Benteke quite a way off his best. N'Zogbia flitted in and out, but scored, got an assist, and nearly scored another. I've said for a while that he's going to be crucial over the rest of the season.
Weimann really let his (horrendous) miss go to him. He really fell apart after that. The less said about Bowery's performance the better really. Clearly not his position to be fair.
I thought Dawkins looked very eager, if a little harem skarem. Bent did quite well I thought. But I can't see us playing 442 too often.
Forthcoming games against Reading and QPR are huge. We need to start winning some of these games against rivals.
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Thanks feck we played the early game. Weather is far worse now. Can't tell if it's snow or rain but it's absolutely smashing it down.
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Phheee-hew..up up and away!!
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That's your Aston Villa keeper for the next ten years lads and lasses.
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Sam Allardyce has made me laugh out loud a lot. The guy is a grade A ******. Shit manager. Shit football. And fat. What game was he watching:
""Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
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Bent deserves to start after that display, we made some great runs which allowed N'Zog to become a threat and his hold up play led to the free kick for the second. Also great clearance off the line. For a player who has been much criticised I thought he did very well.
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Hi folks just got and will read and post later but can those of you who watched it on telly tell me abouts Charles' injury and was that a penalty when Dawkins was tripped but he tried to keep going?
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
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Not been home long, jacket potatoes in the oven [cheese sandwich idea just not hot enough]. Don't really care about the game now, other than chuffed we didn't throw it away, and it should be a confidence booster.
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Sam Allardyce has made me laugh out loud a lot. The guy is a grade A c***. Shit manager. Shit football. And fat. What game was he watching:
""Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
He really is a first class ****. He must have been watching a different game from the one at VP.
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Dawkins it wasn't a penalty.
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Wasn't Westwood ill in the week with the same bug Weimann has had,and kept Gabby out today? Probably did well to get through game. Baker played well considering not a natural LB. Also thought Delph and Nzogbia played well. A good result and hopefully we can build on it from now on. West Ham were awful though.
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Allardyce has always been like that, the one-eyed sack of shit.
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
Quality save right at the end.
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
Quality save right at the end.
It was a top drawer save
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
Quality save right at the end.
It was a top drawer save
Agreed - Guzan was the difference between 3 points and 1 point at the end
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
Quality save right at the end.
But to be considered a "hero"? He hardly made save after save after save.
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
I agree Paul. Baker was terrible in the second half. Nervous as hell and conceded stupid free kicks on the left. I would suggest a swap with Clark who I think is a better leftback and Baker a better centre half?
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Adding to that, what did Guzan really have to do? Fuck all Big Fat Cunty Sam, that what.
Quality save right at the end.
A couple, the one from Carlton from the left of the area when he hit it whilst falling and the one from the corner right before the final whistle. But most of his work was claiming the high balls. Jussi didn't have many saves though apart from Benteke's shot that lead to Weimann's miss.
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If those two points are the difference between getting relegated and staying up then he's done fine by me.
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
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Piss of Allardyce
"Apart from the Aston Villa fans, anyone who watched this afternoon knows we deserved something. The sad thing is, after not converting our chances, we have paid the price by conceding from a free-kick and a penalty.
"Apart from Jussi Jaaskelainen spilling an early shot which fell to Weimann, Aston Villa created and contributed nothing.
"We were waiting to see what Villa had to throw at us in the first half and we coped with that. Then our plan was to go at them in the second half and we created chance after chance.
"We completely dominated the second half and we've ended up losing 2-1. Even at the end their goalkeeper was the hero."
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
Agreed. The subs were spot on today to counter the changes made by Spam.
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Despite the low quality of things, I thought that today followed on quite successfully from the best bits of the Everton game. Specifically, the team looked a lot more organised for the most part than it has done for most of the season.
Everyone seemed to understand their role, and stuck to it pretty well until the last ten minutes or so. That's a significant improvement.
And although he looks technically a little short, I'm including Bowery in the above - he did a good job of tracking back on a number of occasions and provided Lowton with both useful cover and a simple pass.
Finally, I was pleasantly surprised by Dawkins' half hour. He seemed quite comfortable, and showed some nice touches and good technique. Early days, of course, but I suspect I may have scoffed a little too hard!
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Massive 3 points for us today,lets try and build in this now!!
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Bowery was on purely to add height defending corners. He seemed OK at that, but otherwise quite poor overall.
Still, there may be a player in there somewhere..
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
Agreed. The subs were spot on today to counter the changes made by Spam.
PL has been slated at times for his substitutions lately, it's only right that he gets credit where credit is due.
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If he was there purely to add height and physicality then shouldn't we have played Sylla on the right? Just as big, but quicker and more technically able as well.
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Despite the low quality of things, I thought that today followed on quite successfully from the best bits of the Everton game. Specifically, the team looked a lot more organised for the most part than it has done for most of the season.
Everyone seemed to understand their role, and stuck to it pretty well until the last ten minutes or so. That's a significant improvement.
And although he looks technically a little short, I'm including Bowery in the above - he did a good job of tracking back on a number of occasions and provided Lowton with both useful cover and a simple pass.
Finally, I was pleasantly surprised by Dawkins' half hour. He seemed quite comfortable, and showed some nice touches and good technique. Early days, of course, but I suspect I may have scoffed a little too hard!
Totally agree.
Just lately we do appear to be more organised. The quality and confidence is lacking, but if the organisation is right, at least you have a starting point.
Onwards and upwards.
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Vital win. Lambert's post match comments were more understandable - he sounds like a weight had been lifted and I hope that goes around the whole club and we can make a fist of staying up.
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
I thought Bowery did ok for his first start. Helped out a lot defensively and was calm on the ball. One good through ball to NZog who was fouled. Not an attacking threat on the day but encouraging.
West Ham were extremely negative first half and just got behind the ball. From start of the second half they went very direct which caused us to struggle a bit, lots of corners yet again.
But come on, haven't won at home in League for ages, it was always going to be nervy.
I just want them to have a go, and today the effort from all was clear. hope has returned!
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Good for you, IV, you're clearly some sort of lucky mascot.
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Nice to meet your wallet.
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Just back from game, I am a nervous wreck .
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Just got back, and I'm sure this has been said elsewhere, but Thank Fuck For That
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Just a feeling of utter relief to see us collect a rare 3 points, particularly after Weimann missed that tricky chance early doors. The defensive display was greatly improved and I am very much in the pro-Baker camp. Not a full back perhaps but easily as good as the ones we have plus he shows commendable aggression and commitment to the cause. I broke a world record towards the end of the game by saying 'here we fucking go again' over a gazillion times in under 10 minutes. Thank The Lord for Guzan. This roller coaster is far from over and I have this sickening feeling we will be heavily involved right up to the final day. I'm not sure I can take it.
Quote of the day 'Lambert must have given them a right mumbling to at half-time'. Brilliant!
Knob of the day jointly awarded to Huge Sam and 'Butch(?)' Wilkins. What the fuck do you know you baldy twat?
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Fabian Delph was announced as the man-of-the-match over the tannoy after the win over West Ham.
And the statistics back up that decision, with the midfielder proving immensely influential in the central ground, going forward and tracking back.
Delph was No.2 for passes - behind Mark Noble - with forty-three successful from forty-seven made. Charles N'Zogbia was No.4 with thirty-one successful from thirty-six made.
Delph was No.2 for take-ons - behind Mohamed Diame - with four successful out of seven made.
Delph was No.1 for tackles with five successful out of five made. Matt Lowton was No.3 with four successful out of five made. Ashley Westwood was No.5 with three successful out of three made.
Delph was No.1 for interceptions with six. Ron Vlaar was No.4 with three.
Christian Benteke was No.1 for shots with three in total, two on target and one goal. N'Zogbia was No.2 with two in total, one on target and one goal.
N'Zogbia was No.1 for attacking third passes with seventeen successful from twenty-one made.
N'Zogbia was No.4 for chances created with two. Westwood was joint No.1 with Lowton for blocks with two. Darren Bent and Vlaar were joint No.2 with one.
Ciaran Clark was No.1 for clearances with four successful out of fifteen made. Vlaar was No.2 with four successful out of thirteen made. Nathan Baker was No.3 with five successful out of ten made.
Benteke was No.2 for aerial duels - behind Andy Carroll - with seven successful out of ten made. Clark was No.3 with four successful out of four made. Baker was No.4 with three successful out of eight made. Vlaar was No.5 with three successful out of seven made.
Interestingly, No.1 pass combination for Villa - No.2 overall - was Jordan Bowery to Lowton with eleven.
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Delph. I don't get him. Stupid, reckless challenges. Over runs when in possession. Positioning is poor. Likely to make mistakes. cant deny his 100% effort, but he's just not good enough. I know he got MOTM, but everyone around me in the Holte was very surprised with that.
You couldn't be more wrong if you agreed with everything fat Sam spouted!
Delph was our most influential player today. Fantastic work rate and some telling intervention when we were under press topped with some very good attacking balls. Rightly named MotM.
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Nice to meet your wallet.
Good reading on the flight home!
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West Ham were fucking awful, made it easy for us.
Thought Delph had a good game.
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What in the name of pointless fucking statistics are 'take ons'?
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What in the name of pointless fucking statistics are 'take ons'?
Sounds like something you'd hear from an MLS commentator.
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What in the name of pointless fucking statistics are 'take ons'?
Sounds like something you'd hear from an MLS commentator.
Or Claire Raynor advertising.
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What in the name of pointless fucking statistics are 'take ons'?
*A-ha internal jukebox problem*
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What in the name of pointless fucking statistics are 'take ons'?
The bits where, on a 50/50 ball, 2 players on opposite sides don gloves and spar for 3 rounds with the referee as umpire.
I thought everybody knew that.
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Thank god.
But are we ever going to work out how to kill a game off in the last ten minutes. Keeping the ball would be a start as opposed to hoofing it down the pitch to give the opposing team another chance to come back at us. It really is basic stuff.
Still 3 points on the board, a step in the right direction.
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Safe home Mel. Glad you enjoyed the experience. Please bring your dad again, lucky mascot.
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Baker is a big unit so he's good to have defending those set pieces.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Very sorry to hear that Tuscan Villa. I am pleased you found some solace in the win today.
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Baker was decent, but was lucky as he was very very late when he clattered Tomkins. If that was with his feet and not his head he'd have been booked at last.
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And I still think that not only are Norwich in this but West Ham too. They're abysmal away from home and have Spurs and Man Utd up next at home.
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Baker is a big unit so he's good to have defending those set pieces.
Yep I agree, I was saying his left back play was poor though which it was.
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I would expect the team we had today to be the one we put out at Stoke in April. Depends on injuries and suspensions of course but only real changes would be I think Gabby coming back in and maybe Sylla coming in to midfield.
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I am going to kidnap allardyce and reverse over him in my car
Don't do that. You car deserves better!
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
So sorry to about your parents , feel terribly sad for you, I am glad Villa gave you a bit of happiness today
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And I still think that not only are Norwich in this but West Ham too. They're abysmal away from home and have Spurs and Man Utd up next at home.
I too have been thinking Norwich could soon be in the mixer soon, Southampton are playing too well unfortunately so I reckon it's between the bottom 4 plus Norwich.
In the next 12 games all we have to do is be no worse than Wigan or Reading, surely that's possible. Reckon QPR have gone which is a pleasant surprise.
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I am going to kidnap allardyce and reverse over him in my car
That's one hell of a speed bump..
See my pic on fb? Not all that big!!
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Delph. I don't get him. Stupid, reckless challenges. Over runs when in possession. Positioning is poor. Likely to make mistakes. cant deny his 100% effort, but he's just not good enough. I know he got MOTM, but everyone around me in the Holte was very surprised with that.
You couldn't be more wrong if you agreed with everything fat Sam spouted!
Delph was our most influential player today. Fantastic work rate and some telling intervention when we were under press topped with some very good attacking balls. Rightly named MotM.
Despite N'Zogbia winning the penalty and scoring a free-kick?
Delph was/is part of our problem in beating shit teams.
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Is Dunne close to getting back?
If the rumour I heard is correct, he's been fit for weeks.
Yes the rumours are spread by Dunne himself and it's his own assessment and we know the standard!
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Safe home Mel. Glad you enjoyed the experience. Please bring your dad again, lucky mascot.
Thanks Dave, will try. He was getting into it by the end....and, I thought the Villa fans were brilliant in the closing twenty minutes, you can tell it does make a difference on the pitch. The players began to look nervous after about 35 minutes when the goal they probably deserved didn't come and the place went quiet. But second half, the fans were with them til the death.
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Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Nathan Baker was outstanding today, true commitment from the lad.
Not sure on that, he did well when he was in the box and the ball went in the box. However when he was on the left he was pretty horrible, giving away stupid fouls and letting far too many crosses come in.
So does Bennett.
At least Baker is a big unit so he's good to have defending those set pieces.
Yep I agree, I was saying his left back play was poor though which it was.
Bennett would argue that Baker has had a player in front of him to help out. Bennett has been part of a formation which resulted in him being on his own facing two players (due to no midfielder realising they need to help both full backs.)
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Villa win, Gloucester win, England win. This is the holy grail that I have never realised until today. And I'm too ill to drink beer. There's always something to moan about.
..and Gloucester City too. There must be a solar alignment or something.
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We won. The league table says we're out of the bottom three.
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Just at Birmingham airport....had a really enjoyable day (apart from almost missing the start of the game and having to run to the stadium because my uncle took a wrong turn).
Massive three points and we defended those corners. Phew!!!!
Also, nice to meet you Dave W.
UTV
Safe home Mel. Glad you enjoyed the experience. Please bring your dad again, lucky mascot.
Thanks Dave, will try. He was getting into it by the end....and, I thought the Villa fans were brilliant in the closing twenty minutes, you can tell it does make a difference on the pitch. The players began to look nervous after about 35 minutes when the goal they probably deserved didn't come and the place went quiet. But second half, the fans were with them til the death.
Typical of my luck at the moment. I'm going home on Thursday for a few days and there's no friggin match. I'll try and get to Walsall with my son and grandson. If not I'll look up the non-league fixtures local to where he lives.
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Delph was good, especially in the first half. Drove us on, neat on the ball. Thought he did well today.
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Allerdyce is an ignorant, fergusson-sychophant tw@t isn't he. Reckons he could manage Barcelona, in the words of the great Jim Royal .......MY ARSE
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We won. The league table says we're out of the bottom three.
Yup, and that's all we can ask for today. That'll do for me.
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We won. The league table says we're out of the bottom three.
I like the little arrow that says we're on our way up.
Please be true.
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
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Allardyce is just a Dudley born bitter Albion bastard, end of.
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The improvement in delph and nzogbia in recent weeks has been very pleasing and they can be two big players in the remaining games- well done to both!
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Allardyce is just a Dudley born bitter Albion bastard, end of.
Thought he was a Wolves fan?
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Pretty much sums it up. That game was there for the taking for West Ham but Allardyce seemed to have no intention of allowing his team to attack. Too much concentration on not conceding, not enough on scoring goals.
All the more annoying given where Villa are in the league. Get at them, make them nervous, put them under pressure. Why no Jarvis to run at the full backs?
Far, far too easy.
Still, good luck to you lot. I thought you played some nice football in patches. Belting free kick from N'Zogbia. I don't know why opposition players always seem to spank in worldys against us.
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Tonight will be the first Match of the Day I will have watched since beating Liverpool. Looking forward to it!
Same here I have avoided MOTD since then but excited about watching it tonight, Jesus that club rules my life.
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Delph had a great game. It was a toss up between him and N'Zogbia who also had a fantastic match for man of the match. Shame it's took us a year and a half to play N'Zogbia in his best position. No coincidence he's had his best matches in a villa shirt the last 5 or so games where we've been playing him behind Benteke.
Still hate the shit support chant. Makes me cringe. Especially when I was sitting in a holte end full of empty seats and looking out upon a villa park full of empty seats where as the west ham corner seemed to have been sold out...
But anyways. Great win, fantastic free kick. It's Ben a long time since I've seen a free kick like that at the holte end.
Well deserved. Finally out the bottom three!!
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Pretty much sums it up. That game was there for the taking for West Ham but Allardyce seemed to have no intention of allowing his team to attack. Too much concentration on not conceding, not enough on scoring goals.
All the more annoying given where Villa are in the league. Get at them, make them nervous, put them under pressure. Why no Jarvis to run at the full backs?
Far, far too easy.
Still, good luck to you lot. I thought you played some nice football in patches. Belting free kick from N'Zogbia. I don't know why opposition players always seem to spank in worldys against us.
Cheers. Good luck to you un all. Any ideas why you seem so different away from home? You seem to have more possession away yet create fewer chances? Is it just because he's scared to over commit?
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A big well done to the lads today, although it wasnt pretty, i thought they really dug in today and defended as a unit. We showed a lot more control and kept our shape at crucial times, and we defended set pieces a lot better. A big step forward today as was last week at Everton, were not down yet!
Come on you Lions!!
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Have to be honest, N'Zog wasnt as influential today for me. Delph was good, did overrun the ball a couple of times with his enthusiasm, but showed real qualit at times. y MOTM was Clark, thought he was immense and maybe his midweek outing with the Republic did him well. As for Allardyce, not sure what he is on with his comments but couldnt give a monkeys really
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Pretty much sums it up. That game was there for the taking for West Ham but Allardyce seemed to have no intention of allowing his team to attack. Too much concentration on not conceding, not enough on scoring goals.
All the more annoying given where Villa are in the league. Get at them, make them nervous, put them under pressure. Why no Jarvis to run at the full backs?
Far, far too easy.
Still, good luck to you lot. I thought you played some nice football in patches. Belting free kick from N'Zogbia. I don't know why opposition players always seem to spank in worldys against us.
I feel really sorry for West Ham. I know that sounds a bit nuts when we are the club in the relegation struggle, but I'd rather stop watching football altogether than watch Allardyce manage my team. I know we have been largely awful this season, but we're at least trying to play football, whereas Allardyce's tactics are only just "football".
A mate of mine is a Hammers fan, east end born and bred type, seen it all before, no Johnny Come Lately, and he was telling me he's pretty much through with football as a result of Allardyce.
I've no idea how you or we played today, BTW, I didn't see the match, but I was just reading a minute by minute thing on one of the broadsheet websites, and the first thing West Ham did from the start of the second half was whack a diagonal ball upfield and in to touch, which made me think of my my mate's sad face watching it.
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CNZ was MOM IMHO. He's been class the last month or so. We look far better without Bennett and KEA. Bowery was out of position and we missed Gabbys pace and hold up play. Credit Bent for the off the line. If we'd gone 1 down I think we'd have lost.
Why they didn't play Jarvis is bizarre to be honest.
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Why they didn't play Jarvis is bizarre to be honest.
They're the first team in a while not to target one of our full backs.
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
I thought Bowery did ok for his first start. Helped out a lot defensively and was calm on the ball. One good through ball to NZog who was fouled. Not an attacking threat on the day but encouraging.
West Ham were extremely negative first half and just got behind the ball. From start of the second half they went very direct which caused us to struggle a bit, lots of corners yet again.
But come on, haven't won at home in League for ages, it was always going to be nervy.
I just want them to have a go, and today the effort from all was clear. hope has returned!
Bowery put a shift in for the team. Like Fenton did all those years ago in the League Cup final. Nowt spectacular just not bad for what he was asked to do.
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Performance irrelevant.
3 Points was all that mattered.
Having said that :
Guzan superb as he has been all season (maybe apart from last week when Everton seemed to target him stopping him coming from crosses)
We drop so deep when under pressure. Keep the forwards up the pitch to hold onto the ball and retain possession.
I'm a big advocate of adding height to the team for set pieces both attacking and defending. ie Baker at left back. Yes Clark is much better at centre half. O'neill did it with Cueller when we had a decent team. We need it know we have a poor team.
I've been impressed with Delph over the last 6 games or so. He has quick feet and creates space / time which the others can't. He also drives forward which the other midfielders don't although his touch let him down today and lost possession.
Bowery - can't see any qualities at all.
Anyway 3 points and we go again.
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To be fair to Allardyce, him and the even more anti football Tony Pulis have implemented a style that will always get results. It's the sort of football that can only take you so far but it works and keeps them in jobs. It's the fans who watch it I feel sorry for, especially at Stoke. I can't believe someone has actually managed to create a side so reliant on set pieces. I remember when they came to Villa last season, it was almost as if they were going out of their way to get yardage down the touchline for a long throw in. It's not that bad with Allardyce but it's not far off. They won't get relegated though.
I actually feel we're quite lucky that we have a manager that wants get it down, pass it and score goals, but also have enough in the side that means we can mix it up when we have to. It was great to see some positive intent with the subs at 0-0. I can think of more than a few managers that wouldn't have risked the gamble.
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Allardyce is just a Dudley born bitter Albion bastard, end of.
Thought he was a Wolves fan?
He was, I was referring to his 1 game Albion career....
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Only just read Allardyce's comments. Thinking now I didn't watch that game at all. Maybe I imagined those 90 minutes.
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Basically we've played a lot better and lost, I'm delighted for us not to play well and win.
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Delph had a great game. It was a toss up between him and N'Zogbia who also had a fantastic match for man of the match. Shame it's took us a year and a half to play N'Zogbia in his best position. No coincidence he's had his best matches in a villa shirt the last 5 or so games where we've been playing him behind Benteke.
Still hate the shit support chant. Makes me cringe. Especially when I was sitting in a holte end full of empty seats and looking out upon a villa park full of empty seats where as the west ham corner seemed to have been sold out...
But anyways. Great win, fantastic free kick. It's Ben a long time since I've seen a free kick like that at the holte end.
Well deserved. Finally out the bottom three!!
I have been a big critic of his. Big time Charlie. Boom boom. However he has started to pick up a lot - coincides with Bannan and Ireland being nowhere near the team and not sticking him out on the wing where he becomes Charles-de-sac
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Enjoyed the first West Ham fan on 606 saying that Clattenburg was awful and that the pen and freekick were both terrible decisions. Oh, 3 points!!! 3 fucking big, beautiful bastard points!
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Well thank fuck for that. A happy start to the week for a change. ;D ;D ;D
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I am going to kidnap allardyce and reverse over him in my car
What a good idea. Hang, draw and quarter too.
I think the vision of the knife tearing up and down his torso and then showing him his own innards is very satisfying. A little excessive perhaps but satisfying.
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Pretty much sums it up. That game was there for the taking for West Ham but Allardyce seemed to have no intention of allowing his team to attack. Too much concentration on not conceding, not enough on scoring goals.
All the more annoying given where Villa are in the league. Get at them, make them nervous, put them under pressure. Why no Jarvis to run at the full backs?
Far, far too easy.
Still, good luck to you lot. I thought you played some nice football in patches. Belting free kick from N'Zogbia. I don't know why opposition players always seem to spank in worldys against us.
Bizarre not playing a winger against our FB; most wingers tear us a new one.
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I dont understand why Bowery was on the pitch....just dont understand Lamberts thinking.
Personally I thought him, Lowton and Charles linked up well on the right although maybe over elaborated. He also helped at set pieces and gave Lowton some cover. When West Ham broke from our corner in the first half, Bowery ran the player down.
I thought Bowery had a fine first half, tracked back well, linked up well, showed some nice touches but the game was starting to pass him by in the second half when he went off, he looks ok to me.
I thought Bowery did ok for his first start. Helped out a lot defensively and was calm on the ball. One good through ball to NZog who was fouled. Not an attacking threat on the day but encouraging.
West Ham were extremely negative first half and just got behind the ball. From start of the second half they went very direct which caused us to struggle a bit, lots of corners yet again.
But come on, haven't won at home in League for ages, it was always going to be nervy.
I just want them to have a go, and today the effort from all was clear. hope has returned!
Bowery put a shift in for the team. Like Fenton did all those years ago in the League Cup final. Nowt spectacular just not bad for what he was asked to do.
Yep - the match thread was stufffed with critical comments about bowery. I thought he did okay. He's not a world-beater, but he put in a shift and showed more determination than the likes of Ireland. Players making a nuisance of themselves, not being phased and chasing lost causes will give us more than the laconic, occasional-brilliance players.
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Cheers. Good luck to you un all. Any ideas why you seem so different away from home? You seem to have more possession away yet create fewer chances? Is it just because he's scared to over commit?
Allardyce. Today was a perfect example. Had we been at home we'd have pressed high up the pitch, worked the channels, put crosses into the box, harried the opposition and put the pressure on. Instead as we're away he tells them to sit back, defend the final third only, and concentrate on not conceding, like Villa are going to somehow crumble if it's 0-0 at half time.
It's all in their heads, it shouldn't matter if we're home or away, you can't win if you don't attack, and the less you attack the less likely you are to score.
I feel really sorry for West Ham. I know that sounds a bit nuts when we are the club in the relegation struggle, but I'd rather stop watching football altogether than watch Allardyce manage my team. I know we have been largely awful this season, but we're at least trying to play football, whereas Allardyce's tactics are only just "football".
A mate of mine is a Hammers fan, east end born and bred type, seen it all before, no Johnny Come Lately, and he was telling me he's pretty much through with football as a result of Allardyce.
I've no idea how you or we played today, BTW, I didn't see the match, but I was just reading a minute by minute thing on one of the broadsheet websites, and the first thing West Ham did from the start of the second half was whack a diagonal ball upfield and in to touch, which made me think of my my mate's sad face watching it.
To be fair we've played some pretty good football at times this season, but it's all came at home. The Man Utd cup game, Fulham at home, Chelsea at home were all games when we played well, bossed the other team, knocked it about well, mixed it up. I've nothing against being solid defensively and looking dangerous from set pieces - in all my years watching West Ham I've never really fancied us scoring from free kicks until Allardyce came along - but I don't see why being good from set pieces and playing good football need to be mutually exclusive.
Enjoyed the first West Ham fan on 606 saying that Clattenburg was awful and that the pen and freekick were both terrible decisions. Oh, 3 points!!! 3 fucking big, beautiful bastard points!
Nailed on penalty and a definite free kick. Both stupid fouls to give away. I thought Clattenburg did alright, barely noticed he was there which is always a good sign for a ref.
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Excellent analysis there.
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Why they didn't play Jarvis is bizarre to be honest.
They're the first team in a while not to target one of our full backs.
I thought Diame did exactly that for most of the second half. He was glued to their rh touch line having a run at our lh side.
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Just home from the game. Good battling performance which will do them the world of good. Bit disappointed in Bowery. Did okay but we have a similar player on loan at Blackpool. Don't see the point really. Baker is so slow, he needs to be coached intensively to overcome his running against the wind style of locomotion. Delph played well but I would have had him behind both Brad and Charlie for man of the match. Three points that is all that matters. I even understood three or four words of Lambchops' interview with Pat Murphy.
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A great win - it wasn't pretty but it sure felt good ;)
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I remember thinking about halfway through the game that Clattenburg was reffing it really well.
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Clattenburg was very good today on the whole.
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I am relieved. STill not convinced we will stay up but thank you for a happy day Charles & Darren! I dont get to say that very often.
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[quote author=Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? link=topic=49118.
Bennett would argue that Baker has had a player in front of him to help out. Bennett has been part of a formation which resulted in him being on his own facing two players (due to no midfielder realising they need to help both full backs.)
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Absolutely correct, almost all of Bennett's games have come in that 3 2 3 2 formation that has created most of our problems.
Anyway, a good win, well deserved. MOTM was Clarke.
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I don't have to go to work siting degrees of doomedness at least for another couple of weeks.
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Big Sam and Pulis are "home" managers. Both stick to our agriculutral basics of getting the ball forward quickly and playing tight deep defences that get them consistant results in home games. Once they go away on big wide pitches unfamilar to them neither have a clue. Stoke and West Ham have two of the worst away records in the league.
At least both get home results on a regular basis. TSM couldn't even manage that at VP last season!
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Enjoyed the first West Ham fan on 606 saying that Clattenburg was awful and that the pen and freekick were both terrible decisions. Oh, 3 points!!! 3 fucking big, beautiful bastard points!
Thought it was nice to have a decent referee for a change - Clattenburg had a very good game - and showed he vastly superior to Dowd, Dean etc. Plus he isn't biased like those 2.
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Big Sam and Pulis are "home" managers. Both stick to our agriculutral basics of getting the ball forward quickly and playing tight deep defences that get them consistant results in home games. Once they go away on big wide pitches unfamilar to them neither have a clue. Stoke and West Ham have two of the worst away records in the league.
At least both get home results on a regular basis. TSM couldn't even manage that at VP last season!
Definitely agree on the Allardyce/Pulis point. I actually think TSM got a bit of a raw deal. It wasn't like he had a long time to slowly build his team. Given a few years he probably would have got together a steady side that got results. We would have bored everyone to tears mind.
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A win, great! It wasn't pretty who who cares. It's stopped the rot and we've actually moved up the table. Christ we needed that!
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A win, great! It wasn't pretty who who cares. It's stopped the rot and we've actually moved up the table. Christ we needed that!
That's the point, the win was the only important thing really.
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Big Sam and Pulis are "home" managers. Both stick to our agriculutral basics of getting the ball forward quickly and playing tight deep defences that get them consistant results in home games. Once they go away on big wide pitches unfamilar to them neither have a clue. Stoke and West Ham have two of the worst away records in the league.
At least both get home results on a regular basis. TSM couldn't even manage that at VP last season!
Definitely agree on the Allardyce/Pulis point. I actually think TSM got a bit of a raw deal. It wasn't like he had a long time to slowly build his team. Given a few years he probably would have got together a steady side that got results. We would have bored everyone to tears mind.
Nah the garbage football didn't surprise but I at least thought he could get a solid base of home form to maybe get some of the crowd onside, didn't he go over a year at SHA without losing a home game in the league?
I think I'd take garbage, long ball football if it meant 9/10 home wins a season at VP rather than the 4/5 we seem to be feasted on most seasons now.
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Big Sam and Pulis are "home" managers. Both stick to our agriculutral basics of getting the ball forward quickly and playing tight deep defences that get them consistant results in home games. Once they go away on big wide pitches unfamilar to them neither have a clue. Stoke and West Ham have two of the worst away records in the league.
At least both get home results on a regular basis. TSM couldn't even manage that at VP last season!
Definitely agree on the Allardyce/Pulis point. I actually think TSM got a bit of a raw deal. It wasn't like he had a long time to slowly build his team. Given a few years he probably would have got together a steady side that got results. We would have bored everyone to tears mind.
Nah the garbage football didn't surprise but I at least thought he could get a solid base of home form to maybe get some of the crowd onside, didn't he go over a year at SHA without losing a home game in the league?
I think I'd take garbage, long ball football if it meant 9/10 home wins a season at VP rather than the 4/5 we seem to be feasted on most seasons now.
For me it just came down the fact the quality of the players in his reign, especially in midfield, even more so after we lost Petrov, just wasn't there. At least at Blues he built a solid midfield that could protect the defense for large parts. Ours went down the toilet towards the end of last season.
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Not me. Football is entertainment and I want to be entertained. I see no good reason to "settle" for shit attritional football such as played by the likes of Stoke and West Ham.
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Thing is if we were winning say 9 home games a year playing like West Ham or Stoke then within a year or so the complaints would start wanting more wins and better football. As fans we also want more and better.
Personally, while winning is the most important thing,I think i'd slowly lose the will to live if I had to watch Pulis/Allardyce football every week. And even it meant no relegation battle i'd know it would never never lead to more than mid-table mediocrity. At least if we stay up this year I have hope that the players will improve, gain more confidence etc and we'll see more of the great stuff we've seen in patches this season.
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I don't care about entertainment for the remainder of the season, I only care about results and us surviving in the league. In the long run obviously entertainment is important and I want us to play passing football.
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Even in the niggly, petty minded, spiteful world that football has become, Allardyce's post match comments were particularly graceless.
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Special mention to Bent. That goal line clearance could be invaluable come the end of the season. Felt it worth a mention as i've given him stick in the past so credit where it's due.
Seconded by another critic. Work-rate was there, won the free-kick we scored from as well
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Even in the niggly, petty minded, spiteful world that football has become, Allardyce's post match comments were particularly graceless.
Yep takes some doing
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Bloody hell, that's tough. My deepest sympathies for you,
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Bloody hell, that's tough. My deepest sympathies for you,
Same here.
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Fans eye view of the Zog.
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Mr Allardyce, Aston Villa contributed 2 goals, one of which was a stunner, while your hapless outfit managed a lucky goal via a deflection off a Villa player.
Your "tactics" for this match consisted of one up front and hope for the best. Strange when you consider you playing the worst defence in the league. You came for a draw and got what you deserved.
You also have a comically fat head.
Even in the niggly, petty minded, spiteful world that football has become, Allardyce's post match comments were particularly graceless.
Not half! I've lost a lot of respect for Allardyce today. There's no need to disrespect us like that, it's fair enough being a bit annoyed at losing but most managers manage to keep themselves in check in the post match interviews and not act like a kid who just lost a game of fifa.
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Bloody hell, that's tough. My deepest sympathies for you,
Same here.
Likewise. Manly hugs Tuscans and deepest sympathies.
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http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=146146
West Ham view on their dire away form.
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Fans eye view of the Zog.
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That's ace. Right at the end you hear the hysterical laughter of a fan who just can't quick believe it. Wonderful stuff.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
Well you may get your wish but the rest of us are hoping we stay up.
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Positives
1. The result
2. Delph continues to improve
3. N'Zog continues to create in maybe not his best game
4. Guzan was excellent, especially coming out to claim high balls
5. Gabby to come back will improve things
Negatives
1. Vlaar continues to be a worry - no leadership, not dominant at all
2. No composure in the last 10 mins - central midfielders went absent
3. Bowery - WTF was he doing on the pitch? He was so far out of his depth it was embarrassment.
4. Benteke's continuous offsides break up the impetus of our play and allowed WetSpam to launch high balls back into the heart of our defence
5. Stupid foul/booking from Baker - mistakes like that meant they were allowed to keep building the pressure.
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Fuck me I loved that win, even if I did have to change my trousers on the way home, and it wasn't from the rain!
Pissed yourself again?
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Fuck me I loved that win, even if I did have to change my trousers on the way home, and it wasn't from the rain!
Pissed yourself again?
Feck off!
It was a sex wee when the final whistle went and and an 'accident' from nerves during injury time. Pissed myself indeed. Pfffft.
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Fans eye view
I was at the other end of it and from my seat right in the centre in Witton End Upper I jumped as soon as the ball cleared the wall and almost followed it in! I had noticed Jussi position and thought that he was a bit too far over to his right and no doubt Zog spotted that. Fantastic!
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Fans eye view
I was at the other end of it and from my seat right in the centre in Witton End Upper I jumped as soon as the ball cleared the wall and almost followed it in! I had noticed Jussi position and thought that he was a bit too far over to his right and no doubt Zog spotted that. Fantastic!
Exactly the same here from an identical position. As soon as it cleared the wall I shouted "it's in" as Jussi was never getting over there. It wasn't even in the corner and he was still a yard or two away from it.
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I was in the Lower North so as soon as it cleared the wall I couldn't see smeg all of the ball or their keeper. I had to rely on the Holte to know it was in.
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Nice work by the two in the wall that created the gap.
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A fantastic albeit nervy win. 3 more and 3 or 4 draws could well do it. It's time to believe!
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A fantastic albeit nervy win. 3 more and 3 or 4 draws could well do it. It's time to believe!
From now on, we need to stop giving our nearest rivals 3 points from us. Stop that and we should survive. Beat them and we definitely will.
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Tonight will be the first Match of the Day I will have watched since beating Liverpool. Looking forward to it!
Jesus that club rules my life.
Innit. The times I've wished I didn't care!
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And we start with Manu Everton
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Well after the loss of both my parents over Christmas, I now have a tiny tear in my eye and a small smile to match.
Thankyou Aston Villa
Bloody hell, that's tough. My deepest sympathies for you,
Same here.
And here. Thoughts are with you Tuscans. Glad today gave you something to be cheerful about.
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Tonight will be the first Match of the Day I will have watched since beating Liverpool. Looking forward to it!
Jesus that club rules my life.
Innit. The times I've wished I didn't care!
I too just haven't been able to face watching Match of the Day the last few weeks. Will definitely be watching tonight though!!
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Has anyone tried not caring. It lasts about 40 seconds before I start thinking about the bloody Villa again. It is like a sad addiction that has very few highs, and a lot of lows!
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By the way MotD2 started on BBC2 at 10.
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Has anyone tried not caring. It lasts about 40 seconds before I start thinking about the bloody Villa again. It is like a sad addiction that has very few highs, and a lot of lows!
It's impossible, I tried to reconcile my fact to us being relegated and giving up but it doesn't work.
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Funny old game. Thought we were far worse than at everton and yet 3 points in the bag. The main thing is we've got the "not holding onto a lead" hex off our backs. Not to mention the "not winning a game" hex, only the "not keeping a clean sheet" one to go!. I think (well i'm hoping), that may just be where our season not exactly turns around but veers away from the iceberg. Its amazing what a win will do however unimpressive the performance was. As others have mentioned, could have been a whole different story if Bent wasn't goal hanging at the wrong end. Mystifying why he chose Bowery to start but for once Lambchop's oddball team selections came off, sort of.
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Tonight will be the first Match of the Day I will have watched since beating Liverpool. Looking forward to it!
Jesus that club rules my life.
Innit. The times I've wished I didn't care!
And the sodding snow has lost us our satellite signal.
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Has anyone tried not caring. It lasts about 40 seconds before I start thinking about the bloody Villa again. It is like a sad addiction that has very few highs, and a lot of lows!
I tried for the Newcastle match as I was too ill to go I decided to ignore the match and watch a film. I managed most of the first half but by HT the film was off, radio was on and I was a fixture in the match thread. I reckon it would be easier to kick a crack habit than the Villa.
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How many "Oh fuck, here we go"s do you reckon were said when Westwood's header went in?
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How many "Oh fuck, here we go"s do you reckon were said when Westwood's header went in?
Hundreds from me alone.
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How many "Oh fuck, here we go"s do you reckon were said when Westwood's header went in?
Definitely. From then on it was always going to be a siege. I was a bit pissed off that we didn't run it into the corners when the 90 was up though. We had a couple of chances and instead of bombing down there, the player on the ball stopped and looked around.
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How many "Oh fuck, here we go"s do you reckon were said when Westwood's header went in?
My head just hit the table in front of me, and from minute the 87th to 92nd minute I left the room.
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"Here we go again" crossed my mind when it went in and I was in the ground. Anyway, we're on MOTD 2 now so time to watch us win!
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Clark has to continue to play like he did today, he was strong and his reading of the game was vital.
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I can't see how anyone could dispute those two decisions.
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Nope me either, N'Zog is vital to us. Good to see Bent going to congratulate Benteke as well, I'd like Bent in the team he showed good application and definitely improved us.
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Didn't notice Guzan's reaction at the time after our second goal, but saw it just on MOTD2 and loved it.
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I think Bent's reaction is the best. Hardly played. yet delighted when the pen goes in. Brilliant to see.
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Everyone on MotD is calling Guzan "Guzman".
Getting him confused with that fella from Swansea.
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MOTD2 really is shit.
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Everyone on MotD is calling Guzan "Guzman".
I was wondering if anyone would correct him. Don't know why.
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Didn't notice Guzan's reaction at the time after our second goal, but saw it just on MOTD2 and loved it.
He did it after both goals. And the final whistle. I've said a couple of times he went more mental those times than some of the people around me. I love little Brad.
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Guzan = Villa Legend Material 8)
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Huge Huge Win
I think we will need 38 points to stay up so 14 more to go.
From today I think for the first time in a long time the ball dropped for us. The drops in the boxes fell to our men which was great to see and hopefully can be a turning point for our season!!
In terms of performance was good at times scrappy at others but we got the win and that was the most important
Positives/Negatives/Observations
Baker instead of Bennett - added rigidity in the back four - Positive
Delph - is becoming more assured in the middle of the park which is a real bonus - Positive
NZogbia - looks much better in the free role supporting benteke - Positive
Bowery - totally out of his depth im afraid as an attacking force - Negative
Observations
Bannan/Ireland - must not get in the team for the rest of the season
Bent - fair play to the guy for continuing to celebrate etc.
We have two weeks till Arsenal away..... chance for Lambert to get the team working on shape, set pieces movement etc.
I think we will be going to wigan last day needing something but today has given a little bit of hope
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Landed in Dublin at 9.35pm, got to my car, 35 minute drive so was in just in time to see the MOTD2 Highlights.
Nice to see they focussed on the Villa fans, the noise after the second goal was incredible. The sense of relief throughout Villa Park was palpable.
Here' hoping we build on this result....Three wins and three draws before we get to Wigan away? Can we do it?
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Landed in Dublin at 9.35pm, got to my car, 35 minute drive so was in just in time to see the MOTD2 Highlights.
Nice to see they focussed on the Villa fans, the noise after the second goal was incredible. The sense of relief throughout Villa Park was palpable.
Here' hoping we build on this result....Three wins and three draws before we get to Wigan away? Can we do it?
Would prefer 4 wins 2 draws
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Here's to you, Tuscans.
Holte Enders In The Sky....
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Allardyce really is a bitter twat. I also want to know how he managed to steal one of those statues from Easter Island and replace his own head with it.
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Allardyce really is a bitter twat. I also want to know how he managed to steal one of those statues from Easter Island and replace his own head with it.
There's been plenty of spammers on various radio stations today who heard his post-match comments, and wondered themselves if he'd watched the same game that they had
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Has anyone tried not caring. It lasts about 40 seconds before I start thinking about the bloody Villa again. It is like a sad addiction that has very few highs, and a lot of lows!
I tried for the Newcastle match as I was too ill to go I decided to ignore the match and watch a film. I managed most of the first half but by HT the film was off, radio was on and I was a fixture in the match thread. I reckon it would be easier to kick a crack habit than the Villa.
I tried today when sitting down to watch the rugby with the second half going so badly. Within a few seconds, we had scored and I was back addicted. Rugby off, radio full on and ended up watching England beat Ireland about an hour later. Gloryhunter, what me?!!
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I said in the pre match thread I thought a team that some may consider safe may be dragged down into it.
That team could be West Ham, because they are truly shite.
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My match report here:
"It's been a long time since Aston Villa made me happy enough to want to hug strangers in the street, but it's amazing what three points can do to a man. Luckily, I live on a fairly quiet street, so I'm not offering this as a police statement. But it's fair to say Monday morning will be a lot easier for those of a proper claret and blue persuasion.
Read more: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/10-02-2013/aston-villa-vs-west-ham-united#ixzz2KXhaAzGD"
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season.
Good job we've still got QPR, Reading and Wigwam to play then, isn't it? I'd say they're all worse than West Ham, possibly Martin O'Neill's Sunderland too.
We played with a degree of conviction today, particularly first half. We dominated possession and (weirdly) defended with composure in that opening period, and that meant we weren't having to play catch up and chase the game - as per Wigan and Soton at home.
Praise too for Baker at LB -and for Lambert for having the balls to drop Bennett. Nathan might have his limitations as a fullback, and against a better calibre of opponent he might struggle. But he did the basics well, didn't over elaborate in his own final third (as Bennett frustratingly does so often) and there wasn't a dirty great big gap down our left hand side everytime the opposition hit us on the counter.
If we can grind out another win by Mid March, I'd be reasonably confident that we could find the two victories we're likely to need in the remaining two months of the season. I don't think we're good enough to win many more than that, but confidence is a funny thing.
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I said in the pre match thread I thought a team that some may consider safe may be dragged down into it.
That team could be West Ham, because they are truly shite.
They were, but playing devil's advocate, on the bbc site they had more possession, shots on goal, and shots on target. Lies, damm lies, and statistics certainly but we were far better against everton imo. I think we should just view this game as a stand alone and not read too much negative or positive into it personally. Saw someone describe this game and the two team's records beforehand as the "resistable force verses the moveable object" and that sums its up for me.
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Due to my illness (and Villa's shitness) this was the first league win I've seen in well over a year. Not pretty, not stylish but it was great to be enjoying football again.
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Can't understand all the criticism for Bowery. First full start for the team, played out wide. I thought he equipped himself well.
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I said in the pre match thread I thought a team that some may consider safe may be dragged down into it.
That team could be West Ham, because they are truly shite.
They were, but playing devil's advocate, on the bbc site they had more possession, shots on goal, and shots on target. Lies, damm lies, and statistics certainly but we were far better against everton imo. I think we should just view this game as a stand alone and not read too much negative or positive into it personally. Saw someone describe this game and the two team's records beforehand as the "resistable force verses the moveable object" and that sums its up for me.
Apart from the Bent clearance i'm struggling to think of anything West Ham created before we scored our goals. After that we did our usual panic and they created a fair bit by lumping it into the box. Besides the 2 goals we also had the Weimann chance, the Zog shot and the Vlaar chance. Would have been a travesty if they'd got anything today. Just in my opinion of course.
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Brilliant, brilliant result twisted into an unconvincing performance.
For every positive point, a negative sat not far away.
Delph showed sign of what he could be. On occasions.
N'Zogbia showing terrific ball control only to walk straight into trouble.
Having said that, there was one thing I feel confident and one dimensional on.
Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
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I said in the pre match thread I thought a team that some may consider safe may be dragged down into it.
That team could be West Ham, because they are truly shite.
They were, but playing devil's advocate, on the bbc site they had more possession, shots on goal, and shots on target. Lies, damm lies, and statistics certainly but we were far better against everton imo. I think we should just view this game as a stand alone and not read too much negative or positive into it personally. Saw someone describe this game and the two team's records beforehand as the "resistable force verses the moveable object" and that sums its up for me.
Apart from the Bent clearance i'm struggling to think of anything West Ham created before we scored our goals. After that we did our usual panic and they created a fair bit by lumping it into the box. Besides the 2 goals we also had the Weimann chance, the Zog shot and the Vlaar chance. Would have been a travesty if they'd got anything today. Just in my opinion of course.
Nah its mine as well but then you look at the stats and they had 13 shots to our 7. 7 shots on target to our 2 and 10 corners to our 4 according to the bbc. Someone looking at that who didn't see the game would probably come to a totally difference conclusion
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Re their stats. Most of those probably came in stoppage time
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Did he just nick your kebab or something?
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
heh. Indeed. 20minutes and he's already worse than Heskey?
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
Definitely won the most bizarre comment of the year.
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I'm not sure of your reputation beforehand mr woo but it's certainly tarnished now.
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
Definitely won the most bizarre comment of the year.
It is. He's not getting a DVD though.
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
Definitely won the most bizarre comment of the year.
Unlucky. Just pipped your Delph post.
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Winning. Its nice isn't it?
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Allerdyce is an ignorant, fergusson-sychophant tw@t isn't he. Reckons he could manage Barcelona, in the words of the great Jim Royal .......MY ARSE
"That pipsqeak has got to go. And get me Nolan's agent on the blower, pronto."
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Never mind all this nonsense about results and performance and tactics. What about West Ham's charming owners? Did they turn up? What did they thing of the catering? Did anyone shake them warmly by the throat?
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Never mind all this nonsense about results and performance and tactics. What about West Ham's charming owners? Did they turn up? What did they thing of the catering? Did anyone shake them warmly by the throat?
They arrived in a convoy of Rolls Royces. I kid you not.
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A car like that could get damaged round here mister. Give me a tenner and I'll look after it for you. Oh it's you Mr Gold. Nevermind, keep your cash...
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Never mind all this nonsense about results and performance and tactics. What about West Ham's charming owners? Did they turn up? What did they thing of the catering? Did anyone shake them warmly by the throat?
They arrived in a convoy of Rolls Royces. I kid you not.
jus when you think you'd never again say "you couldn't make it up" they come along to raise the bar for all complete and utter obnoxious wankers.
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Winning. Its nice isn't it?
Just ask Charlie Sheen.
In fact maybe Monsieur Sheen should give the team talks. "I'm bi-winning, winning here, winning there".
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Good read from a West Ham Perspective...
http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C (http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C)
Fat Sam made me question what I had seen with his convincing comments! lol
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Here's my reputation on the line...
Based on the half hour I've seen today, Simon Dawkins will go down as the worst player to play for Villa in living memory.
Really. He was either nervous or shit.
Nervousness usually fades though.
Wow
Definitely won the most bizarre comment of the year.
Unlucky. Just pipped your Delph post.
His assessment of Brad Guzan is also a contender.
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Dawkins reminded me of Tony Daley. (prays)
Bowery really wasn't that bad, was he? We also won with him in the team so regardless, Lambert got it right yesterday.
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Dawkins reminded me of Tony Daley. (prays)
Bowery really wasn't that bad, was he? We also won with him in the team so regardless, Lambert got it right yesterday.
Dawkins didnt look too bad at all in my opinion- he got into decent positions and looks to have a bit of pace.
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I said in the pre match thread I thought a team that some may consider safe may be dragged down into it.
That team could be West Ham, because they are truly shite.
They were, but playing devil's advocate, on the bbc site they had more possession, shots on goal, and shots on target. Lies, damm lies, and statistics certainly but we were far better against everton imo. I think we should just view this game as a stand alone and not read too much negative or positive into it personally. Saw someone describe this game and the two team's records beforehand as the "resistable force verses the moveable object" and that sums its up for me.
The stats from the Everton game don't paint a pretty picture at all though. 36% possession, 8 shots compared to their 22, 2 corners compared to their 15. Even on fouls we had 23 fouls to their 6. It all points to us being outclassed by a superior side who we did very well to take a point from. Yesterday was more of an even contest which went our way. That's the way football goes, we've had more than one occasion this season where it hasn't quite gone our way in a tight game. The reverse fixture of yesterdays game is a good example.
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Dawkins reminded me of Tony Daley. (prays)
Bowery really wasn't that bad, was he? We also won with him in the team so regardless, Lambert got it right yesterday.
I thought that Bowery did well in the first half and that his tracking back was good.
However, at half time, I did hear people moaning about him.
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Big sam beware-
@DavidGoldWHU: Disappointed for the fans who traveled hundreds of miles on a miserable day to lose to a team in the bottom three. We should do better.
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I'm disappointed for West Ham fans whose club is owned by a bearded lady standing permanently in front of a helicopter.
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Good read from a West Ham Perspective...
http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C (http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C)
Fat Sam made me question what I had seen with his convincing comments! lol
Nice to read honest, balanced reports and no holes barred player ratings, good read,thank you
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Has anyone tried not caring. It lasts about 40 seconds before I start thinking about the bloody Villa again. It is like a sad addiction that has very few highs, and a lot of lows!
I tried for the Newcastle match as I was too ill to go I decided to ignore the match and watch a film. I managed most of the first half but by HT the film was off, radio was on and I was a fixture in the match thread. I reckon it would be easier to kick a crack habit than the Villa.
I tried today when sitting down to watch the rugby with the second half going so badly. Within a few seconds, we had scored and I was back addicted. Rugby off, radio full on and ended up watching England beat Ireland about an hour later. Gloryhunter, what me?!!
Same here but I turned over once we'd gone ahead. then i looked at the final score with my hand over the creen and revealed W Ham 1 (88 OG) and thought we'd drawn again.
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Big sam beware-
@DavidGoldWHU: Disappointed for the fans who traveled hundreds of miles on a miserable day to lose to a team in the bottom three. We should do better.
David Golds repugnant face makes me want to vomit through my nose.
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Never mind all this nonsense about results and performance and tactics. What about West Ham's charming owners? Did they turn up? What did they thing of the catering? Did anyone shake them warmly by the throat?
They arrived in a convoy of Rolls Royces. I kid you not.
really ? self important rich tossers
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I think people are right, we did look a lot better against Everton, but I think we were playing what our natural shape was at Goodison and in the twenty or so minutes that we got some width into the side yesterday, we looked dangerous.
The Villa at Goodison would have won four or five yesterday, especially if we'd have been away from home. I think there is a real psychological barrier at Villa Park. We've only won 7 games in the league in nearly two seasons and it shows.
But ultimately, there was only one side yesterday that went out to win the game and that was deservedly us. West Ham never looked like scoring and ultimately didn’t. Alladyces comments are bizarre to say the least.
I also think both West Ham and Norwich are in the relegation battle.
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Big sams contract ends in may and i think the writing is on the wall for him with west ham saying today thy have no plans to discuss a new contract until the summer- enter di canio i think.
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Especially if it reads: "Big Sam is a deluded fat fannyclown".
As for Cackbeard and Co:
- Its not much more than a hundred miles to Villa Park from Estairm. Hardly an epic pilgrimage.
- Your team are shite and we even scored for you.
- You're a dildo wrangling cackbearded nonce.
- You might (should) be in the bottom 3 yourself soon.
- Your bitterness and pettiness is a joy. Long may it continue.
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A much needed 3 points yesterday and that was the main thing but god we were awful. We looked better when the two subs came on though.
I can't say i was too impressed with Bowery but Dawkins looked like he could be a useful player for us.
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Big sam beware-
@DavidGoldWHU: Disappointed for the fans who traveled hundreds of miles on a miserable day to lose to a team in the bottom three. We should do better.
David Golds repugnant face makes me want to vomit through my nose.
He really is a tosser of the highest order. You think he would be used to losing having been chairman of the noses for many years. What a wanker.
Great result yesterday by the way. All the Hammers fans in the local were very bitter and twisted after the game. Oh how i laughed. Fuck'em.
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David Gold. It says a lot about the man that he took the piss out of 'noses for years yet I'd still quite happily cave his face in with a cricket bat.
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I hear that a good Grey Nicholls would do the trick ;D
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A much needed 3 points yesterday and that was the main thing but god we were awful. We looked better when the two subs came on though.
I can't say i was too impressed with Bowery but Dawkins looked like he could be a useful player for us.
Awful is way too harsh , i thought we played nowhere near as bad as in recent home games but no doubt the subs were a major boost yesterday- i agree dawkins looked useful.
Bowery was played out of position and doesnt have the first touch required at this level- i felt sorry for him- should have started with dawkins .
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I didn't think we were 'awful' yesterday - if we had been doing OK this season that would have been classed as a 'routine home victory'. West Ham offered little and we didn't need to be at our best to beat them.
I was impressed by Delph, but overall it was the defending that got us that win. We stood strong and allowed the goals that this team has in it to actually count for a change.
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Yes I think the key phrase is "good enough". Nobody is claiming a slick performance but we've played much better and come away with less so I couldn't really give a toss in this instance. The result was everything considering saturdays results.
We also missed a resurgent Gabby who would have had a field day against them yesterday.
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We also missed a resurgent Gabby who would have had a field day against them yesterday.
I said the same to my mate yesterday. Gabby instead of Bowery would have made a massive difference.
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Dont waste good willow on that scumbag.
I think one of his products would me more suitable. Shove a strap-on in his mouth and tie it behind his head.
The benefits are two fold thusly: It will shut him up and as an absolute cocksucker he might even enjoy it.
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That was better, wasn't it?
As for Allardyce claiming they sould've got something out of the game, they got nothing despite getting the two biggest breaks all afternoon - Weimann's missed sitter in the second minute and the own goal. West Ham really were gash.
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Sorry. That was simply a terrible game between two very very poor teams. We will be lucky to play against a team as bad as WHU in what remains of the season. We are going down.
Jesus wept.
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Especially if it reads: "Big Sam is a deluded fat fannyclown".
As for Cackbeard and Co:
- Its not much more than a hundred miles to Villa Park from Estairm. Hardly an epic pilgrimage.
- Your team are shite and we even scored for you.
- You're a dildo wrangling cackbearded nonce.
- You might (should) be in the bottom 3 yourself soon.
- Your bitterness and pettiness is a joy. Long may it continue.
That is fucking brilliant.
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Fat Sam's comments really are bizarre. The first half was poor from both sides, but we edged it and should have been in the lead early on, I'm really surprised Weimann missed, he's normally clinical with chances like that.
2nd half both sides were better going forward but there were still very few chances until the Bent clearance off the line. After that we were on top and were rewarded with a penalty and free kick. It was only in the last 5 that they really got any dominance, and that was largely due to nerves on our part, Westwood was terribly unlucky with the OG.
As for Bowery, I think he did exactly what he was asked to do, which was to work hard and provide cover for Lowton. He's not a right sided midfielder, we can all see that, but he did the donkey work we needed from him and set up a platform for us to get the win.
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As for Bowery, I think he did exactly what he was asked to do, which was to work hard and provide cover for Lowton. He's not a right sided midfielder, we can all see that, but he did the donkey work we needed from him and set up a platform for us to get the win.
Agreed.
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Bowery just isn't good enough for the Premier League no matter how much he's talked up on here. I actually felt sorry for him yesterday he was that out of his depth.
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Good read from a West Ham Perspective...
http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C (http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C)
Fat Sam made me question what I had seen with his convincing comments! lol
i see the West Ham supporter there gave Nolan 3 and Carroll 4 out of 10, saying that Nolan was largly anonymous, and these were the two players that on the pre match thread were going to 'rip us apart'
its amazing how every one else has great players and ours are always rubbish, for instance the worst bit of defending i have seen this season was the 12 million man Samba yesterday, when the attacker went passed him like he was a statue,
then there were calls to change Clark/Baker with Upson or Dann in the transfer window, as if because they have more experience they wont make any mistakes, it just doesnt work like that,
look at QPR now, spent up, in the shit and going down with massive overheads,
yes but at least they gave it a go in the window i hear people cry, i would rather take good players like Clark, Baker, and make them better on the training field, i think thats where our future lies, i dont for one minuit think they will go for long without making some mistakes, but so will the others who we might have signed in a panic,
if we spend we need real quality, not short term shit
if we cant buy quality we stick wth what we have and go again ( i think someone else said that)
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Bowery just isn't good enough for the Premier League no matter how much he's talked up on here. I actually felt sorry for him yesterday he was that out of his depth.
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he wasnt great, but he wasnt as bad as people are making out,
this stuff about not being good enough for the prem league, i've heard it said about most of our palyers this year, and its just not true in most cases
it wasnt more than a few weeks ago, Delph was 'not fit to wear the Villa shirt' i'm not saying you said that but you have been one of the more critical of the players,
Delph was a lot of peoples man of the match yesterday, along with Clark who also 'not good enough' according to some,
as with Bowery, he was yeaterday the 'scapegoat od the day' at least he gave Bannan the day of
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Good read from a West Ham Perspective...
http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C (http://www.westhamonline.net/article.php?6654035%7C%7C5%7C%7C)
Fat Sam made me question what I had seen with his convincing comments! lol
i see the West Ham supporter there gave Nolan 3 and Carroll 4 out of 10, saying that Nolan was largly anonymous, and these were the two players that on the pre match thread were going to 'rip us apart'
its amazing how every one else has great players and ours are always rubbish, for instance the worst bit of defending i have seen this season was the 12 million man Samba yesterday, when the attacker went passed him like he was a statue,
then there were calls to change Clark/Baker with Upson or Dann in the transfer window, as if because they have more experience they wont make any mistakes, it just doesnt work like that,
look at QPR now, spent up, in the shit and going down with massive overheads,
yes but at least they gave it a go in the window i hear people cry, i would rather take good players like Clark, Baker, and make them better on the training field, i think thats where our future lies, i dont for one minuit think they will go for long without making some mistakes, but so will the others who we might have signed in a panic,
if we spend we need real quality, not short term shit
if we cant buy quality we stick wth what we have and go again ( i think someone else said that)
Lol i agree.. grass is always greener!
I work with a load of Arsenal Expats and they are all expecting us to get a result there!
Another West Ham Article popped up on on news now and very similar tone, (Also work with a West Ham fan and he wants Di Canio in asap)
http://www.westhamunitedblog.co.uk/2013/02/11/aston-villa-v-west-ham/? (http://www.westhamunitedblog.co.uk/2013/02/11/aston-villa-v-west-ham/?)
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Bowery put a shift in for the team yesterday.
He may not develop into a Premiership player.
At the moment I have no issues with him being in the 18 especially if it means the arpehole Ireland not being.
As for the calls for Upson / Dann etc.. I think it was more to provide additional cover / experience / competition and not because they are World Beaters.
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Bowery just isn't good enough for the Premier League no matter how much he's talked up on here. I actually felt sorry for him yesterday he was that out of his depth.
There was one guy across from me shouting 'Lambert, he's a fucking Championship player, come and sit here where we do and see what we see, why is he still on the pitch?'.
That said, I thought he was terrible the few times the action came down my corner. His touch was very heavy.
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I don't think Bowery will be at Villa next season. I'd loan him out to a Championship club, see what he can do.
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Watching the recording of the game earlier, it really was a desperately poor game between 2 distinctly average sides. We played much better against Everton.
Thought our goal led a charmed life in the second half. Bent arguably saved us from defeat with that clearance. Penalty was soft and Nzogbia won us the game with the free kick. Despite the win, there was nothing to suggest we will avoid the drop and only confirmation that Andy Carroll was probably the worst signing in the history of the game. West Ham won't be picking up many points between now and the end of the season I reckon and could well get drawn back into it.
Guzan looked less assured than usual, Lowton was good on the ball as usual but poor defending as per usual. He is really poor defending deep balls to the back post. Gets drawn towards the ball continuously. Baker certainly added extra height to our defence but too many crosses came in from that side. Clark was better but still is incredibly naive at times like that foul on Carroll. Vlaar was no better than usual and doesn't look fit.
Delph competed well but at this level you shouldn't get away with overrunning the ball 4 or 5 times like he did. Westwood has promise but his lack of presence is a problem in the current formation. Weimann went to pieces after missing the sitter and shirked a bit of his defensive responsibilities I thought. Benteke was useless really, got offside routinely and didn't seem as up for it as usual. Bowery started ok but yeah should have been hooked at the break really. Nzogbia was our only player with an ounce of quality. Made penalty, scored winner and flashed a great shot just wide.
Bent saved us from defeat but without a midfield worthy of the name is wasted playing for us. Other two suggested little in their cameos to suggest they will aid us over the next 12 games.
With the injuries and the dire run of form obviously a win was great. But I think we need to try Kea back in a 3 man midfield with Gabby and Charlie supporting Benteke.
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What a relief that win was but boy do we make it hard for ourselves.
West Ham are shit or we made them look so, maybe it's a bit of both. They could easily be dragged into the bottom over the coming weeks if we can pick up points in our next few games.
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
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Upson/Dann/Reo-Coker christ poor players in Championship teams...cover for who exactly. They are not good enough so no matter how we try and pretend otherwise there was/is no point getting kneejerk reaction bodies in.
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
Barry bannan.
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I've never rated Noble. He's a very limited player and also as thick as a Whale Omelette. Seriously, there are minerals with higher IQ.
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What a relief that win was but boy do we make it hard for ourselves.
West Ham are shit or we made them look so, maybe it's a bit of both. They could easily be dragged into the bottom over the coming weeks if we can pick up points in our next few games.
I just thought it was typical of the games we've seen against Allardyce teams over the years, they drag everything down to their level.
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
Barry bannan.
No, Bannan is better than Noble.
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He's a curious one is Allardyce.
He invests so much resource in different kinds of sports science, fitness, nutrition, psychology, astrology, feng shui, soothsayers, witch doctors, particle physics and so on and yet the end result is the most archaic, lowest common denominator attritional bollocks football.
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I don't think Bowery will be at Villa next season. I'd loan him out to a Championship club, see what he can do.
whats Carruthers done wrong ? Is he injured ?
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No, but N'Zogbia is playing in his position. Arguably our best player at the moment.
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No, but N'Zogbia is playing in his position. Arguably our best player at the moment.
agreed,
so what has happened to him ?
up untill a few weeks ago he heading for the legendary status as one of the worst Villa signings of all times,
i dont completly buy the play him in his correct position excuse, obviously thats going to help, but a good player when he has the ball at his feet he either does something with it or not, he looks interested or not, he puts a shift in no matter where he plays or not.
and untill recently N'zog has not being doing anything of note, now he has become in some ways our saviour, so whats changed, why the sudden change of heart and form
very welcome as it all is, but something has changed, and its not just down to playing in a certain role
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He's a curious one is Allardyce.
He invests so much resource in different kinds of sports science, fitness, nutrition, psychology, astrology, feng shui, soothsayers, witch doctors, particle physics and so on and yet the end result is the most archaic, lowest common denominator attritional bollocks football.
I doubt he even uses all his resources, he probably just wants all those dossiers and textbooks to make a fort.
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c67.0.403.403/p403x403/408527_10151393322361418_248650348_n.jpg)
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He's a curious one is Allardyce.
He invests so much resource in different kinds of sports science, fitness, nutrition, psychology, astrology, feng shui, soothsayers, witch doctors, particle physics and so on and yet the end result is the most archaic, lowest common denominator attritional bollocks football.
Bluetooth headset and chewing gum. When he gets the sack he can go and work for Addison Lee
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No, but N'Zogbia is playing in his position. Arguably our best player at the moment.
agreed,
so what has happened to him ?
up untill a few weeks ago he heading for the legendary status as one of the worst Villa signings of all times,
i dont completly buy the play him in his correct position excuse, obviously thats going to help, but a good player when he has the ball at his feet he either does something with it or not, he looks interested or not, he puts a shift in no matter where he plays or not.
and untill recently N'zog has not being doing anything of note, now he has become in some ways our saviour, so whats changed, why the sudden change of heart and form
very welcome as it all is, but something has changed, and its not just down to playing in a certain role
I think there are two reasons.
1- Position. He is played in a central role allowing him freedom to move at will behind the frontmen. This is his natural role where he is most dangerous. He's not a winger.
2- Mentality. His role allows him to be important for the team. The string puller. The X Factor.
I think this has motivated him to perform to the levels expected of him. There may be other reasons. Maybe Lambert has found a way of communicating with him that works. Maybe he's just more settled.
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untill recently N'zog has not being doing anything of note, now he has become in some ways our saviour, so whats changed, why the sudden change of heart and form
very welcome as it all is, but something has changed, and its not just down to playing in a certain role
His agent has told him to up his game so he can finally get his move to Real Madrid in the summer.
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Bloody typical!! We finally win a game and my MOTD2 series link fails
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I've never rated Noble. He's a very limited player and also as thick as a Whale Omelette. Seriously, there are minerals with higher IQ.
agreed Noble is poor, but my West Ham supporting season ticket holding neighbours love him and reckon he would of got an England cap if he wasn't at West Ham.....and yes I'm being serious..
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No, but N'Zogbia is playing in his position. Arguably our best player at the moment.
agreed,
so what has happened to him ?
up untill a few weeks ago he heading for the legendary status as one of the worst Villa signings of all times,
i dont completly buy the play him in his correct position excuse, obviously thats going to help, but a good player when he has the ball at his feet he either does something with it or not, he looks interested or not, he puts a shift in no matter where he plays or not.
and untill recently N'zog has not being doing anything of note, now he has become in some ways our saviour, so whats changed, why the sudden change of heart and form
very welcome as it all is, but something has changed, and its not just down to playing in a certain role
I think there are two reasons.
1- Position. He is played in a central role allowing him freedom to move at will behind the frontmen. This is his natural role where he is most dangerous. He's not a winger.
2- Mentality. His role allows him to be important for the team. The string puller. The X Factor.
I think this has motivated him to perform to the levels expected of him. There may be other reasons. Maybe Lambert has found a way of communicating with him that works. Maybe he's just more settled.
I think there's a third, which is that tactiacally the wide players in the 4-2-3-1 formation are doing a lot of tracking back, which sort of takes the pressure off him for doing the same. Off the ball we can be more like a 4-4-1-1. This suits him as he is by nature not exactly a work horse!
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I've never rated Noble. He's a very limited player and also as thick as a Whale Omelette. Seriously, there are minerals with higher IQ.
agreed Noble is poor, but my West Ham supporting season ticket holding neighbours love him and reckon he would of got an England cap if he wasn't at West Ham.....and yes I'm being serious..
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I would suggest then that you ring British gas straight away before their leak affects you too.
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There's a fourth, for me. The guy's actually been fit for long enough to get a run of games under his belt. His opening half of the season was very patchy with injuries. Now he's settling in, getting a series of starts.
Don't underestimate the importance of playing regularly for many of these lads. We had to chop and change the team so often for months because of injuries, re-jigging the set-up every week. Getting close to a full squad now, and I think we're back to the formation Lambert wanted from the start of the season. There seems a consistency to the side now we haven't often been able to enjoy.
Couple of other things:
Bowery. Really sad to see some on here slating him, writing him off after, what? First PL start? He looked what he is - a rookie centre-forward playing wide right; a little out of sorts and uncomfortable on the ball, which didn't surprise me, but he worked hard, tracked back, gave support to his full-back and kept their full-back quiet. I guess PL wanted a certain shape to his team and felt, with Gabby out, Bowery was next best to provide it.
Dawkins. Didn't make a great impact but he looked promising; good feet, quick and took up good positions. Kept it simple. Even if he's only here until May he may contribute from the bench.
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Bloody typical!! We finally win a game and my MOTD2 series link fails
Is that 'cos they changed channels due to the Bafta back slap fest?
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Bloody typical!! We finally win a game and my MOTD2 series link fails
MOTD2 is on iPlayer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01qqygk/Match_of_the_Day_2_2012_13_10_02_2013/
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I've never rated Noble. He's a very limited player and also as thick as a Whale Omelette. Seriously, there are minerals with higher IQ.
agreed Noble is poor, but my West Ham supporting season ticket holding neighbours love him and reckon he would of got an England cap if he wasn't at West Ham.....and yes I'm being serious..
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The Doc
I would suggest then that you ring British gas straight away before their leak affects you too.
I miss you when you don't post for a while.
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Spammers love Noble because he's one of them.
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Witless, incompetent, overrated...
Yes, I see.
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Witless, incompetent, overrated...
Yes, I see.
We wan the wawld cap.
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Noble is no where near as bad as some people are making out. You don't play over 5 seasons in the Premier League if you're crap. I'd have him in our team at the moment and can think of plenty in the Premier League that are worse. If the general consensus amongst the West Ham fans is that he's useful, that tells you all you need to know imo.
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Noble is no where near as bad as some people are making out. You don't play over 5 seasons in the Premier League if you're crap. I'd have him in our team at the moment and can think of plenty in the Premier League that are worse. If the general consensus amongst the West Ham fans is that he's useful, that tells you all you need to know imo.
Yeah, West Ham fans are fucking idiots. :)
I've seen him a few times recently, and thought he's stood out as a beacon of ineptitude.
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According to the West Ham fans, Noble had his worst game in years yesterday. Whether that was down to his lack of ability or our midfield, I'll let you decide.
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when I got back to the pub the clan of Wet Sham were gathering to do the autopsy on their defeat and the general concensus was that Allardyce is a twat, the Villa are shit, Noble was unlucky with the pen( I thought it was nailed on a pen), it was never a free kick, Carroll was beaten up by our centre-halves and why wasn't Matt Jarvis playing ?
I was then treated to the BBC stats that they provided on their I-Phones......I said only the top one showing the score was relevant....
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According to the West Ham fans, Noble had his worst game in years yesterday. Whether that was down to his lack of ability or our midfield, I'll let you decide.
He's a typical, jack of all trades master of none, British midfielder. He's Craig Gardner or Steve Sidwell and the best you can say about them is they are hard working.
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According to the West Ham fans, Noble had his worst game in years yesterday. Whether that was down to his lack of ability or our midfield, I'll let you decide.
He's a typical, jack of all trades master of none, British midfielder. He's Craig Gardner or Steve Sidwell and the best you can say about them is they are hard working.
Thats very noble of you to say that , chris!
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According to the West Ham fans, Noble had his worst game in years yesterday. Whether that was down to his lack of ability or our midfield, I'll let you decide.
He's a typical, jack of all trades master of none, British midfielder. He's Craig Gardner or Steve Sidwell and the best you can say about them is they are hard working.
Very harsh sir. Statistically he's the best tackler and ones of the best passers of a ball they've got this season. I know he takes penalties but he always chips in with a few goals a season and has a decent set piece delivery on him. I'm just glad he had a poor day yesterday but I think most West ham players generally do away from home. Put it this way, he obviously stood out like a sore thumb in the championship as he won their player of the year and made the PFA team of the year. He's an average premier league midfielder all day long, that does not make him the poor player some have been suggesting.
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I said he was very limited, not hopeless.
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I said he was very limited, not hopeless.
Are we talking by Premier League standards? Or Champions League? If it's the latter I'd agree.
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Premier League standards.
By Champions League standards... well, that would be hilarious to even consider him.
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I think he is OK normally but thankfully was dire yesterday.
Nailed on pen and free kick - soft ones to give away but fouls none the less.
COME ON YOU LIIIIOOOOOOONNNNNNNNSSS
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I'm with Maz on this. Noble had a reputation of being the next big thing out of West Ham but I've never seen him put in anything more than an ok performance, and often he's not even that good. Given the respective experience and ages I wouldn't have him over any of our current midfield.
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There was more than one player suggested in the Jan transfer thread, which got a few "Yeah, he'd do" responses, that was no better than Noble.
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The result at least means Risso can get some work done.....
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The result at least means Risso can get some work done.....
Indeed. Those taxes won't avoid themselves, you know.
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Just reading the West Ham take on it and I genuinely didn't even realise Matt Taylor was playing.
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
You've obviously not been watching Premier League football for very long then.
Noble had a very poor game yesterday, but this season he's been one of our consistently better players. Works hard, wins tackles, lays the ball off to faster more able players with minimal fuss. Limited going forwards and his set pieces can often be mixed at best, but nowhere near "shittest" midfielder currently playing in the Premier League.
QPR have probably got half a dozen worse all by themselves.
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I really didn't think Bowery was as abject as the rest of you did, he eased the pressure with his backtracking and carrying the ball forward and he gave us more height at corners and when WHU tried to hit diagonals toward our full backs. I think the beefing up of the flanks with him and Baker worked pretty well until we did our usual replay of the Alamo in the last 10 minutes.
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QPR are not a football club so much as an improvised explosive device, fashioned out of overpaid shit footballers.
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
You've obviously not been watching Premier League football for very long then.
Noble had a very poor game yesterday, but this season he's been one of our consistently better players. Works hard, wins tackles, lays the ball off to faster more able players with minimal fuss. Limited going forwards and his set pieces can often be mixed at best, but nowhere near "shittest" midfielder currently playing in the Premier League.
QPR have probably got half a dozen worse all by themselves.
I'm afraid Sendo it is a trait on here that if you have a bad game you are shit forever, sadly, a lot of our own get labelled the same way. However, I'm with Maz on this one :)
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QPR are not a football club so much as an improvised explosive device, fashioned out of overpaid shit footballers.
i went to a match at Loftus road what seems like a 100 years ago now, when they had just had there plastic pitch put down,
i'm sure we were the first team to play on it, i remember it bounced around badly that day, i'm sure we lost and i think Venables was there manager, but cant be 100% on all that without googleing it which i cant be arsed to do
anyway just thought i'd mention it, even though it had nothing to do with your post, only to point out that QPR are plastic pitch wankers
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
You've obviously not been watching Premier League football for very long then.
Noble had a very poor game yesterday, but this season he's been one of our consistently better players. Works hard, wins tackles, lays the ball off to faster more able players with minimal fuss. Limited going forwards and his set pieces can often be mixed at best, but nowhere near "shittest" midfielder currently playing in the Premier League.
QPR have probably got half a dozen worse all by themselves.
I'm afraid Sendo it is a trait on here that if you have a bad game you are shit forever, sadly, a lot of our own get labelled the same way. However, I'm with Maz on this one :)
The problem for me is that he comes across as a bit like NRC, but slightly better at passing but not as physical.
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anyway just thought i'd mention it, even though it had nothing to do with your post, only to point out that QPR are plastic pitch wankers
Plastic pitch wankers!
Classic
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If there's a shitter midfielder in the Premiership than Mark Noble, I've yet to see him.
And that's going some given some of our performances this season.
You've obviously not been watching Premier League football for very long then.
Noble had a very poor game yesterday, but this season he's been one of our consistently better players. Works hard, wins tackles, lays the ball off to faster more able players with minimal fuss. Limited going forwards and his set pieces can often be mixed at best, but nowhere near "shittest" midfielder currently playing in the Premier League.
QPR have probably got half a dozen worse all by themselves.
I've watched more Premier League football than you and your brethren, given that you've spent most of the 25 years I've been going down doing a passable impression of a southern Birmingham City.
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anyway just thought i'd mention it, even though it had nothing to do with your post, only to point out that QPR are plastic pitch wankers
Plastic pitch wankers!
Classic
Yeah, good work john.
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QPR are not a football club so much as an improvised explosive device, fashioned out of overpaid shit footballers.
Marvellous, I will use that.
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anyway just thought i'd mention it, even though it had nothing to do with your post, only to point out that QPR are plastic pitch wankerst
Just behind Luton 'plastic pitch, away fan banning ******' Town.
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Bowery really wasn't that bad, was he? We also won with him in the team so regardless, Lambert got it right yesterday.
Technically he was taken off at 0-0, you could argue we might not have won with him still on the pitch as all he seemed to do attacking wise was lose possession or miscontrol the ball.
Having said that he played his part defensively in the 0-0 while he was on the pitch.
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QPR are not a football club so much as an improvised explosive device, fashioned out of overpaid shit footballers.
i went to a match at Loftus road what seems like a 100 years ago now, when they had just had there plastic pitch put down,
i'm sure we were the first team to play on it, i remember it bounced around badly that day, i'm sure we lost and i think Venables was there manager, but cant be 100% on all that without googleing it which i cant be arsed to do
anyway just thought i'd mention it, even though it had nothing to do with your post, only to point out that QPR are plastic pitch wankers
I was at that one too, beginning of 1983-4 season.
We lost 2-1 but were practically not in it as we couldn't cope with the pitch. I remember being in that crappy little away end close to the front and you could see the marks on the pitch where the ball bounced.
Terry Weir gave me a lift back to Great Barr after the coaches dropped us off, and that was about the only highlight of the day.