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Title: Experienced 11
Post by: richardhubbard on January 20, 2013, 08:40:23 PM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2013, 08:52:55 PM

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


No it wouldnt.  If anything, it just highlights how paper thin our defence / midfield is.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 20, 2013, 08:55:56 PM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Still think Westwood and Lowton would be superior to Ireland/KEA and Hutton
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Concrete John on January 20, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Still think Westwood and Lowton would be superior to Ireland/KEA and Hutton

And Guzan's done nothing to deserve being dropped either. 

The key positions in that are Duune's, KEA's and Warnock's, where for one reason or another the players have either been missing or poor and the young guns have struggled.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:10:27 PM
It might not get us out of the deep shit we currently are in but chances are had all the above been fit, selected and played in their correct position (e.g. Gabby not on the wing) we more than likely would not be in the shit we are currently in.

Ideally Lambert should be able to mix experience and youth to get a decent XI but doesn't matter which way you look at the squad we are still desperately short of a quality holding midfielder
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Shrek on January 20, 2013, 09:21:16 PM
We need a mix of both. We've gone from one extreme last year of basically picking the most experienced squad, even if that's people out of position to this year mainly due to injury, being stuck with the kids and unable to rotate and rest them when needed.

Dunne, Vlaar, Gabby, N'Zogbia being available is huge.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 21, 2013, 10:45:17 AM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Guzan
Lowton Clark Baker Stephens
Westwood Delph Bannan Bennett
Weimann Benteke

Would interesting to watch this at Bodymoor Heath - I reckon the young guns would win it.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: pestria on January 21, 2013, 10:48:43 AM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Guzan
Lowton Clark Baker Stephens
Westwood Delph Bannan Bennett
Weimann Benteke

Would interesting to watch this at Bodymoor Heath - I reckon the young guns would win it.

Not much in it, but it's a damning indictment that the 'young' midfield, which has been the major weakness, is still better than the experienced one.  If ever there was one killer argument for needing to shore up the team with new signings then this is it.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 10:50:27 AM
I'd also pick Lowton over Hutton. And Guzan over Given.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Guzan
Lowton Clark Baker Stephens
Westwood Delph Bannan Bennett
Weimann Benteke

Would interesting to watch this at Bodymoor Heath - I reckon the young guns would win it.

The young team has a much better midfield and attack, in fact I'd only swap in nzogbia and vlaar, for Bennett and Baker, as our best side right now.  Dunne may be a slight upgrade on Clark when he's fit, but he's been out for a long time and fitness was never one of his plus points.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: nigel on January 21, 2013, 12:17:14 PM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Guzan
Lowton Clark Baker Stephens
Westwood Delph Bannan Bennett
Weimann Benteke

Would interesting to watch this at Bodymoor Heath - I reckon the young guns would win it.

It would also be interesting to see how Stevens & Bennett would work on that left flank.
I think both are decent players and will improve given experience. I also think Bennett's got extra in his locker, he's a pretty skillful player
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 12:19:31 PM
Just imagine for one minute lambert changed tactic and went for experience but spent no money and picked what we have available today
                       Given
Hutton dunne vlaar Warnock
 Ngzobia Ireland kea Holman
            Bent gabby

On paper around at peak £70m of talent but would it be it get out of shit we are in?


Guzan
Lowton Clark Baker Stephens
Westwood Delph Bannan Bennett
Weimann Benteke

Would interesting to watch this at Bodymoor Heath - I reckon the young guns would win it.

It would also be interesting to see how Stevens & Bennett would work on that left flank.
I think both are decent players and will improve given experience. I also think Bennett's got extra in his locker, he's a pretty skillful player

I thought he has his best game for us on Saturday.

He's been thrown into a poor team and then had spells out with injury.  If we can steady things up at the back I think we'll see better from him, but next season is probably the best time to judge.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: nigel on January 21, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Totally agree, John.
If we can survive this season, and I believe we will, these young guns will surprise a few next season.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 12:24:40 PM
On paper, yes, it's a team that should avoid relegation easily. However take out the players who haven't put in a shift for us in years or haven't even done it while they've been at our club, then its a no from me. I'm oot.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: pedro25 on January 21, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
Warnock is better than Stevens imo.
Title: Re: Experienced 11
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 01:21:58 PM
Warnock is better than Stevens imo.

The problem is, if even half of what I've read is true, I don't want to see him anywhere near our squad again and that's ignoring that last season from him was about as poor as anyone I've ever seen playing for the club.
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