Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: NiiLamptey on January 20, 2013, 04:53:44 AM
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Mirror are reporting that Genting deal expires this summer and they are not going to renew as we are in another relegation battle...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/troubled-aston-villa-are-set-to-lose-1545399?
So if we do go down its not just the PL money we will loose....
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It still makes me laugh when I remember someone saying on these pages that Genting sounded like some sort of upper class homosexual act.
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And 'if' my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
Modern journalism, eh?
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Couldn't careless. F in Genting a shit gambling house they can piss right out of Villa Park.
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Couldn't careless. F in Genting a shit gambling house they can piss right out of Villa Park.
Agree - any sponsor that can't be on a kids shirt has no place in football.
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Its not about the brand its about the money coming into villa...
with all these relegation battles it doesn't matter who sponsors us we wont get the same amount of money... regardless of if we stay up or go down.
This bad on pitch lark is now affecting the money coming in.. which in turn will devalue club impacting amount invested... and we are desperate for investment!
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The Genting deal was only ever going to be 2 years...the club were well of this and have been looking for a sponsor for about a year now - it's no surprise to them. They are, however, struggling to find a new one and I think a Wembley appearance and hopefully win is what they're hoping will give us the profile we need to get a decent tie in.
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The big problem they have us that prospective sponsors don't know what division we will be in. That is key.
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Next seasons sponsers will be Poundland or possibly Dimeland!
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like i said even if we stay up, not going to get big sponsorship... as we are not a bottom half club!
Its a catch 22... value of club will go down so lerner wont sell or invest... but wothout the investment we wont climb up the ague earning the big sponsorship!
just feels like nothing is going right...
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We don't exactly attract big sponsors anyway which is one of the reasons we were able to do the Acorns thing for a few seasons.
IF we get relegated all commercial income will fall. No point in reading too much into a deal that is about to expire anyway and a lazy piece of journalism.
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We don't exactly attract big sponsors anyway which is one of the reasons we were able to do the Acorns thing for a few seasons.
IF we get relegated all commercial income will fall. No point in reading too much into a deal that is about to expire anyway and a lazy piece of journalism.
What do you mean by "big"?
The Genting deal is one of the biggest in the league. They also might not be a household name here, but they are an enormous company.
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I for one will be glad to see a chinese gambling organization purged from our identity.
The country is awash with exploitation. Bookmakers who became established on the perfectly honourable habits of the masses having a flutter on the horses have spawned mini casinos in every shopping street in the land. They are no better than pay day loan sharks and are all off shore to avoid paying British taxes.
Aston Villa does not need to get in whatever money it can at all costs. It needs the mega wealthy man who owns it to support it properly and the people who spend the club's money to spend it more wisely.
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We don't exactly attract big sponsors anyway which is one of the reasons we were able to do the Acorns thing for a few seasons.
IF we get relegated all commercial income will fall. No point in reading too much into a deal that is about to expire anyway and a lazy piece of journalism.
What do you mean by "big"?
The Genting deal is one of the biggest in the league. They also might not be a household name here, but they are an enormous company.
IIRC the deal is/was £16m over two seasons, pretty small when compared to the Sky money.
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how about Homebase or Mothercare?
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Genting probably don't 'need' us anymore anyway.
They not long ago won the right to build the new mega casino at the NEC. So, we have helped get their name/brand recognised. As far as they are concerned, its probably job done.
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Until we get a government which wants to raise the taxation on gambling then the betting boys will start shopping around again for association with names which will give them some sort of anchor of respectability and propriety.
A founder member of the Football League forged from young men in the congregation of Wesleyan Methodist Chapel? Let them go and try to buy that prestige anywhere else.
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Until we get a government which wants to raise the taxation on gambling then the betting boys will start shopping around again for association with names which will give them some sort of anchor of respectability and propriety.
A founder member of the Football League forged from young men in the congregation of Wesleyan Methodist Chapel? Let them go and try to buy that prestige anywhere else.
Right with you on this Brian, but it's all supported via media channels like Talkshite and Sky, with their in-game betting and chats every five minutes with friendly bookmakers.
Having said that, football and exploitation have been comfortable bed fellows for some time.
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Until we get a government which wants to raise the taxation on gambling then the betting boys will start shopping around again for association with names which will give them some sort of anchor of respectability and propriety.
A founder member of the Football League forged from young men in the congregation of Wesleyan Methodist Chapel? Let them go and try to buy that prestige anywhere else.
Right with you on this Brian, but it's all supported via media channels like Talkshite and Sky, with their in-game betting and chats every five minutes with friendly bookmakers.
Having said that, football and exploitation have been comfortable bed fellows for some time.
I love the way Talkshit report the betting odds like they're reporting breaking news when it's obvious it's blatant advertising.
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Just about every online betting firm has an office within spitting distance of my office. Most of them don't look like they'd fit a whole team of head office staff in, if you get my meaning.
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Its not about the brand its about the money coming into villa...
with all these relegation battles it doesn't matter who sponsors us we wont get the same amount of money... regardless of if we stay up or go down.
This bad on pitch lark is now affecting the money coming in.. which in turn will devalue club impacting amount invested... and we are desperate for investment!
I disagree. After the Acorns thing we went too far the other way with a casino sponsor. The difference in income between an unethical sponsor (alcohol, gaming, money lending) and more ethical ones (Mita copiers) is very little in the overall scheme of things.
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Of course, the most high profile tv sport advertising, shirt sponsoring bookie, bet365, is entirely based in this country.
Is also suggest Genting don't need name recognition to get a casino built at the NEC, they're huge in the industry in any case
Interested to see losing our sponsorship deal shrugged off, as if we aren't already in enough financial turmoil
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It's LOSE! >:(
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I'd be happy with Dunne and Warnock out the door and an untainted Aston Villa shirt. We'd be no worse off.
I read somewhere yesterday - probably the Guardian - that some Japanese paint company has become ManYoo's 'Official Paint Partner'.
The prospect of relegation suddenly became marginally less distasteful.
The world has gone fucking mad.
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We don't exactly attract big sponsors anyway which is one of the reasons we were able to do the Acorns thing for a few seasons.
IF we get relegated all commercial income will fall. No point in reading too much into a deal that is about to expire anyway and a lazy piece of journalism.
What do you mean by "big"?
The Genting deal is one of the biggest in the league. They also might not be a household name here, but they are an enormous company.
IIRC the deal is/was £16m over two seasons, pretty small when compared to the Sky money.
Yes, but amongst the larger sponsorship deals.
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Its not about the brand its about the money coming into villa...
with all these relegation battles it doesn't matter who sponsors us we wont get the same amount of money... regardless of if we stay up or go down.
This bad on pitch lark is now affecting the money coming in.. which in turn will devalue club impacting amount invested... and we are desperate for investment!
I disagree. After the Acorns thing we went too far the other way with a casino sponsor. The difference in income between an unethical sponsor (alcohol, gaming, money lending) and more ethical ones (Mita copiers) is very little in the overall scheme of things.
Money lending unethical?
How do you think Lerner senior got so rich? And how much money do you think credit card companies have made through online gambling?
If ethics in sport are a major concern, you're screwed with the premier league (whose richest club gets its money from a human rights abusing, vile middle eastern regime)
Oh, and after Acorns, don't forget our year with currency speculators FxPro
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Good to see the Mirror speak of us in a postive light.......
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They're idiots. If we get relegated we'll be the biggest team in the division and about twenty of our games will be televised. Plenty of exposure for sponsors.
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Money lending unethical?
How do you think Lerner senior got so rich? And how much money do you think credit card companies have made through online gambling?
If ethics in sport are a major concern, you're screwed with the premier league (whose richest club gets its money from a human rights abusing, vile middle eastern regime)
Oh, and after Acorns, don't forget our year with currency speculators FxPro
All good points but I think from an ethical position a credit card or even a f/x company is more acceptable than a payday lender such as Wonga. I volunteer in a Credit Union and see every day the misery that these companies cause and I would hate them to be associated with our club.
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Worried about going down but managing to repeatedly stay up despite the odds? Yes gentlemen, our new sponsor will be Viagra.
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back to Acorns please , looks best on the shirt :D
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I think people are getting caught between what the company represents (and by extension, what they're prepared to advertise) and the worth of it to the club. Say, for example, a huge company such as Aldi or Lidl offered us a £20 million deal for a couple of seasons. It's money to the club, but how many would be happy to walk around with what we would always see as a budget supermarket on their Villa shirt?
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I think people are getting caught between what the company represents (and by extension, what they're prepared to advertise) and the worth of it to the club. Say, for example, a huge company such as Aldi or Lidl offered us a £20 million deal for a couple of seasons. It's money to the club, but how many would be happy to walk around with what we would always see as a budget supermarket on their Villa shirt?
Aldi do great sausages I would be happy to have them
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I think a lot of fans wouldn't share that view. I recall when the Stripeyfilth had that home safety thing on their shirt, with the massive red house. There were a lot of piss takers showed up on here.
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Good to see the Mirror speak of us in a postive light.......
What's to be positive about though?
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Another vote for Acorns from me.
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Good to see the Mirror speak of us in a postive light.......
What's to be positive about though?
In your world, nothing.
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I know we've been crap for three seasons now, but in the context of British football we're still a big deal. We're in danger of thinking we've got to take what we can get, which isn't true. Possibly if we ended up like Forest or Preston (e.g. clubs that used to mean a lot but slid horribly down the divisions) I'd admit nostalgia isn't going to get you megabucks, but we're not at that stage yet and hopefully never will be.
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We don't exactly attract big sponsors anyway which is one of the reasons we were able to do the Acorns thing for a few seasons.
IF we get relegated all commercial income will fall. No point in reading too much into a deal that is about to expire anyway and a lazy piece of journalism.
Agree with this, who reads the Mirror anyway, got to be the worst paper going and the transfer lies they make up are always swallowed up, still don't know why people fall for it !!!!
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I know we've been crap for three seasons now, but in the context of British football we're still a big deal. We're in danger of thinking we've got to take what we can get, which isn't true. Possibly if we ended up like Forest or Preston (e.g. clubs that used to mean a lot but slid horribly down the divisions) I'd admit nostalgia isn't going to get you megabucks, but we're not at that stage yet and hopefully never will be.
At the very least (regardless of where we are in the league at the moment) we should be aiming for what the likes of Spurs get. I appreciate Spurs are currently a top four chasing team but, even so, we've won more than them and have a far greater history. One of the things I hoped Randy Lerner would get right when he took over Villa was the branding of the club (the McGregor/League creators angle in particular). Marketed the right way, Villa being the home of every league football competition in the world must have a significant value?
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If someone from the Mirror told me it was snowing I wouldn't believe them even if I was stood in a blizzard.
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I know we've been crap for three seasons now, but in the context of British football we're still a big deal. We're in danger of thinking we've got to take what we can get, which isn't true. Possibly if we ended up like Forest or Preston (e.g. clubs that used to mean a lot but slid horribly down the divisions) I'd admit nostalgia isn't going to get you megabucks, but we're not at that stage yet and hopefully never will be.
At the very least (regardless of where we are in the league at the moment) we should be aiming for what the likes of Spurs get. I appreciate Spurs are currently a top four chasing team but, even so, we've won more than them and have a far greater history. One of the things I hoped Randy Lerner would get right when he took over Villa was the branding of the club (the McGregor/League creators angle in particular). Marketed the right way, Villa being the home of every league football competition in the world must have a significant value?
None whatsoever. This is modern football - it doesn't give a toss about what happened last week never mind the century before last.
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Couldn't careless. F in Genting a shit gambling house they can piss right out of Villa Park.
Agree - any sponsor that can't be on a kids shirt has no place in football.
This
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Aldi was the only place in Swindon which served the Villa fans a drink. Besides they are wiping the floor with the so called up market supermarket chains, especially Morrisons.
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By the time Randy runs out of money and patience, we may be pleased to get Aston Manor lager as sponsor.
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I for one will be glad to see a chinese gambling organization purged from our identity.
Brian, I get your sentiments but have to point out that Genting are Malaysian, not Chinese. No gambling in China, other than in the special jurisdiction of Macau ( which makes Vegas look like Pheasey).
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Aldi was the only place in Swindon which served the Villa fans a drink. Besides they are wiping the floor with the so called up market supermarket chains, especially Morrisons.
In my humble opinion, there's no way in the world you could call Morrisons an up-market supermarket chain.
There own branded goods are welfare-standard at best.
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We shop at Waitrose so everything is down market. Fwah fwah.
A few people used to use the public toilets next door for a spot of Genting.
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We shop at Waitrose so everything is down market. Fwah fwah.
A few people used to use the public toilets next door for a spot of Genting.
Waiting for them to throw out perishable goods doesn't count as shopping.
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I manage a sainsburys store, they would never sponsor villa as they're consistently the most successful supermarket of the last few years
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We shop at Waitrose so everything is down market. Fwah fwah.
A few people used to use the public toilets next door for a spot of Genting.
Waiting for them to throw out perishable goods doesn't count as shopping.
Semantics.
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As if being owned by Venky's wasn't bad enough, Blackburn are now sponsored by this chancer:
http://www.probiz-excellence.com/probiz/feisal.php
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It will never happen of course but if football is ever going to be properly competitive again shirt sponsorships must either be banned or at least a cap put on how much a company can pay the club that it's "sponsoring"
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A noble idea in theory (like communism) but is essentially a restraint of trade which is why, as you said, it will never happen.
What might work (although still highly unlikely) is if the shirt sponsorship money, over a cap, goes to charity. Companies still have to be the highest bidder and so on but over a cap (for instance, 10% of clubs turnover) the money goes to a designated charity.
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A noble idea in theory (like communism) but is essentially a restraint of trade which is why, as you said, it will never happen.
What might work (although still highly unlikely) is if the shirt sponsorship money, over a cap, goes to charity. Companies still have to be the highest bidder and so on but over a cap (for instance, 10% of clubs turnover) the money goes to a designated charity.
If it was in the best interests of the premier league it would happen, as it has in lots of sports, they could quite easily stipulate that 50% of all sponsorship deals for teams playing premier league matches goes into a big pot and is shared equally. It won't happen because the profile of the league is based on having a small number of 'mega-clubs' who have shirt sales all over the world, which leads to the league being tagged as the 'greatest league in the world'.
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How do we know that Villa aren't already talking to potential sponsors for next season? Another space filler from The Mirror.
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No serious decisions will be made regarding sponsorship until we can be assured of survival.
It makes a huge difference.
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I'd suspect we're looking at getting an agreement along the lines of 'if you're still in the league then we'll give you £Xm a year unless you get relegated' and having a smaller backup offer to take if that one falls down.
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It's more likely we'll have two offers to consider.
John Lewis if we stay up, HMV if we go down.
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A noble idea in theory (like communism) but is essentially a restraint of trade which is why, as you said, it will never happen.
What might work (although still highly unlikely) is if the shirt sponsorship money, over a cap, goes to charity. Companies still have to be the highest bidder and so on but over a cap (for instance, 10% of clubs turnover) the money goes to a designated charity.
Nice idea.