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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 19, 2013, 10:42:36 AM
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Available Saturday night.
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Not the worst result, but fuck me it feels like a defeat.
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So fucking frustrating. Holman and Bannan cost us the game for me.
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Awful subsitutions.
I suppose the momentum of the game had shifted but we were still looking like we could get a third. That disintegrated when the subs were made, Holman and Bannan too weak.
That aside we're not very good at winning games are? Still can't win after our best 45 minutes of the season. We need 5 wins from somewhere.
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And 4 points thrown away recently because we can't defend. Unless he was injured taking Zog off was insanity.
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Lambert cost us the game with that stupid substitution, unless N'Zogbia is injured.
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Not good enough Lambert. Cannot believe how vulnerable we are being 2 up. Times ticking Randy....
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Poor substitution again from lambert - defence all over the place again at set pieces , draws will not keep us up, 2 points dropped here tonight , nzogbia and gabby both a real threat but a deeply disappointing result after the first half.
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I have no idea what Holman does other than run around a lot.
He's like James Milner without all the good things.
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A lot of positives from that. Standard stuff in the 2nd half though. At least it's something to build on.
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I'd have taken a draw before the game, but the manner of it was just horrible.
It seemed inevitable as soon as they got one. The second half was just like knowing you're going to be kicked in the bollocks, but being forced to stand in a queue for 40 minutes until it's your turn.
Bannan and Holman being on the pitch is the reason we lost control of the game, they contributed fuck all, and left midfield completely open for Albion to do as they pleased. May as well have played with 9 players.
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I have had it with that lot, Lambert's subs cost us the game.
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Charlie is the key.
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That's the way Villa do business. Been the same for ages, a two-nil lead is never enough. A point, but not really enough in these desperate times.
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Would have settled for that before kick off, wouldn't have settled for that at half time. Some bright spots, Gabby, CN'Z, Benteke.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
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When will they be coached on defending corners?!
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Why the fuck he keeps playing Bannan, he's fucking shite. Horrible subs, Holman has looked utter shite for better part of the month now and he takes off N'Zog for him who is finding his form, idiotic.
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Should have won it. Simple really.
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I have no idea what Holman does other than run around a lot.
He's like James Milner without all the good things.
He's a shit player that shows flashes of brilliance.
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Well would of said before 5:30 a point would be good....but after the first half im on the floor in despair. Why can't Villa play football for 90 minutes....guess thats what sorts out the wheat from the chaff
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I have no idea what Holman does other than run around a lot.
He's like James Milner without all the good things.
I've never seen him run. He jogs around a lot, or maybe strolls briskly.
He's got the pace of Gareth Barry, with none of the ability.
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That was literally the reverse of the 2-2 with QPR last season.
Would've snatched your hand off for a draw at the beginning of the game, and we can take heart from some of the performances. Bring on Bradford!
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I would have taken a point before the game. We are psychologically on 20 points now so the target is a bit closer. A comeback against Bradford would set us up nicely for the league run in.
If we could somehow beat Newcastle and West Ham I'd back us to stay up.
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Obvious. This time absolutely shit themselves when they get in front. For the first time I'm convinced we're going down.
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I have to say feels like lambert manages to just about hold onto his job...
If we had lost 3-2, which we nearly did, think it would be an untenable position...
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
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When will they be coached on defending corners?!
The same time they get some coaching on taking corners, hopefully.
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I don't think I have ever seen a team throw away the lead as much as that lot.
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We should have been clear of that lot before they got their equaliser. Had some really good chances before inevitably we got sucked deeper and deeper and conceded. We must be the worst set piece team in both directions in Europe.
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Can't believe the twatty remarks!!
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His subs didn't cost us the game. Delph and Baker were forced substitutions due to injury and Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press. We should have been more than 3 goals up before Zog came off.
What cost us was not only shit defending at set pieces but a complete lack of a winning mentality. Again.
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Regardless of who scored when ill take that
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IF Zog was injured then that was just bad luck. IF he wasn't, then Lambert is a prized bellend for that substitution.
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As soon as I knew Holman was coming on , I was thinking for who and why does Lambert not want the 3 pts.
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So fucking frustrating. Holman and Bannan cost us the game for me.
All three of his substitutions were the worst three players on the pitch. Thought Bennet played really well as did the front three and Vlaar makes a big difference.
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Lambert is really starting to look like an idiot, doubtless his 'we go again' mantra in the post match interview will compound it.
Time for drooling, pea brained fuckwit Lerner to open the cheque book.
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Great first half. Terrible second. Should have been in the bag. Why was CNZ substituted? Bizarre.
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Still, its a bloody valuable point and lots of positive things to focus on!!
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Some positive things there but fuck me, when will we ever manage to win a game again?
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Good first half, rotten second half, usual two goals conceded. Absolutely chronic substitutions, Bannan and Holman were gash when they came on. Still, Gabby had his best game in ages.
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Terrible luck in having two injuries limiting choices but bringing off charlie if not injured was madness as it sucked them onto us and they kept coming at up instead of guarding against our three pronged attack
Lambert looks absolutely fooked ...... dead man walking now
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That clearly went all tits when, first, Delph was forced of through injury and Bannan came on. Bannan is shit. He is a tiny midget, with very little ability. And then when N'Zog went off. If he went off for any other reason than injury then I blame Lambert whole heartedly for throwing the points away.
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we can't take sustained pressure, never have and by this never will. Not exactly much on the bench to 'shore' things up if he was trying to do that by the substitutions... You could argue that attack would have been the best tactic but hey... I'm not a footie manager.
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When will they be coached on defending corners?!
The same time they get some coaching on taking corners, hopefully.
Ha! Yip.
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2-0 up at half time and absolutely cruising. How we ended up clinging desperately to a point 45 minutes later is a mystery. I suppose it was a combination of them improving, us doing the one thing we absolutely didn't want to do at the beginning of the second half, and a couple of substitutions of which the very best you can say is that they were ineffectual.
We keep finding new ways of shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press.
Well, he did a fucking sterling job of that.
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Feels like a defeat yet again
Our huge lack of experience means we pay again in not having players with the know how to see out a lead against a very average, off form team
I didn't see it but it seems very odd to have taken N'Zogbia and Deph off for headless chicken Holman and Bannan
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Would have settled for a draw at 1730, but really disappointed we didn't get more being 2 up & having furhter chances. Everyone who started plus Lichaj deserves credit. CNZ finally found his mojo.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
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We need to sort the defence and midfield out.
The front three were excellent first half today and we have Weimann and Bent in the mix aswell. None of the other relegation threatened teams have that strength in attack but christ we have very little quality in midfield or defence when the going gets tough.
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Charlie is the key.
but Lambert decided to lock the door and throw away the key
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Looked like a football team again tonight, quite happy with the performance all in all. Bennet surprisingly good, Gabby and Benteke a threat, only Holman looked out of his depth which makes a change when normally 7 or 8 of them appear bereft. Vlaar made a big difference.
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Cut it out both of you.
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We have the core of a decent side, but there are just too many players in the team who aren't good enough right now, especially at the back: Lichaj, Bennett, Clark and Holman should be squad players and only feature regularly when we're in a midtable comfort zone.
It seems Lambert and/or Lerner is/are not prepared to sanction the emergency purchase of some solid experienced defenders. Whichever of them thinks we can stay up with our current defence is deluded.
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Excellent first half, nervous second. Holman is not very good. Charles, Gabby and Ron made a real difference today. I am unhappy we let a two goal lead sip but happy that we looked a lot better for large periods. I have slightly more confidence we can stay up.
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Great first half. Terrible second. Should have been in the bag. Why was CNZ substituted? Bizarre.
Injured?
Knackered?
Take your pick
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Bannan just can't stand up to a full sized footballer, all they have to do is put their arm out and he can't get near them. It's embarrassing as much as anything. Hope CNZ was injured, because he was man of the match.
Still it's a draw I guess...
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We've got a very good selection of front players - Benteke, Bent, Gabby, N'Zogbia and Weimann.
It's the midfield and defence that fuck up any good work they do, it's a joke.
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PL has to justify why he takes off for once this season Villas most dangerous player to sub with a sub standard prem player and then brings on Holman to keep Stripey filth on the front foot, understand if he was trying to close the game down, but neither sub is capable of that, a point more than what we thought we would get before the game but to be 2-0 up and give them two goals is two points defo lost and may cost us dearly in May
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IF Zog was injured then that was just bad luck. IF he wasn't, then Lambert is a prized bellend for that substitution.
Spot on
I have defended Lambert a lot, but it was just rediculous. Holman and Bannan were shit.
Athletic midfielder, propper stopper before the window is out please.
Lambert is cursed I am sure of it. He has no luck whatsoever.
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Great first half. Terrible second. Should have been in the bag. Why was CNZ substituted? Bizarre.
What minute did he get subbed? CNZ did nothing in the second half and looked like the CNZ we've become accustomed too.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
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A point I didn't think we would game before the game. Shame about the second half but at least there are some positives
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The game Lambert lost my support. Beyond inconsolable.
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Have we ever had a team as brittle as this one, you know once we concede more are on the way that's why we get hammered when we concede early.
We are gonna regret the 4 points we've blown against Swansea and Albion.
A signing to strengthen please, we cannot close games out with Bannan and Holman, they will take us down.
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Part of me thinks a draw is a good result.
However, the more I think about letting a two goal lead go fucks me off. Fucking idiots. A win would've been HUGE.
Really fucked off.
How will the players take it?
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Taking off our most threatening player, who was having his best game for us by a country mile, removed about 75% of any attacking threat we had, allowed them to step up easily, and limited the effectiveness of any counter attacks. It may also have the added bonus of pissing off said player, who has been described as being a bit on the touchy side.
Assuming that decision was tactical, it's utterly bone-headed.
But again, it's woeful defending that have cost us the win there.
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It was alocal derby, good point but should have been out of sight. Note to Lambert, play that team and formarmation please...don 't take Charles off for Hollman it killed us. My Boggies mates were saying N'Zog was tearing them open...and he took him off!
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Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press.
Well, he did a fucking sterling job of that.
Boo hoo it didn't work out. It was a substitution based on the offensive half of the pitch. People saying he is the reason we lost are trying to blame something for the sake of it.
Everyone has been slagging off PL for playing 3 at the back and he did tonight and we were better for it. Credit where it's due as well as criticism please.
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His subs didn't cost us the game. Delph and Baker were forced substitutions due to injury and Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press. We should have been more than 3 goals up before Zog came off.
What cost us was not only shit defending at set pieces but a complete lack of a winning mentality. Again.
exactly , so why take him off , he was best player by miles
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We would have taken the draw. Like Wigan at home the timing of the oppositions first goal was crucial and it killed us. In other circumstances a good derby but a win wiuld have been crucial.
It's obvious to say we need to beat Newcastle and West Ham but non defeats keep us in the mix. Still need another centre half which would help.
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If we had gone 2-0 down like they did we would have got hammered. However we did have a 2 goal lead at half time and still doubted we would win. That sums up why we won't be in the premiership next season
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CNZ was not injured. Injured players don't sit down on the bench and watch the rest of the game.
Tired? Maybe, but I'd rather have had him on the pitch exhausted than a supposedly fit Holman.
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Positives - 1st half
Negatives- 2nd half
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The game Lambert lost my support. Beyond inconsolable.
How bizarre. The guy was up and down the touch line, he started with the right team and we looked half decent (something we haven't done for a while).
Yet you choose to do it after this game? Obviously you didn't see the last 4/5 matches.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
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We can't afford to be passing up the chance of a victory - and we had given ourselves a great chance.
Same mistakes occurring from set pieces. We blow again.
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The idea of taking N'Zog off was to bring a bit more ebergy into midfield, and to close the game down.The fact is that if Gabby and N'Zog could pick a final pass , then we could have wonn by 4 or 5 goals.
Too weak and slow in central midfield, and Lowton badly needs a rest.
Disappointed, but not the worst result, shows how with a couple of additions, we could be quite a good team.
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His subs didn't cost us the game. Delph and Baker were forced substitutions due to injury and Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press. We should have been more than 3 goals up before Zog came off.
What cost us was not only shit defending at set pieces but a complete lack of a winning mentality. Again.
Steve Clark would been delighted to see CNZ go off. Look forward to PLs explanation.
exactly , so why take him off , he was best player by miles
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N'zogbia, Benteke, Agbonlahor, Guzan, and Lichaj all deserve a lot of credit.
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His subs didn't cost us the game. Delph and Baker were forced substitutions due to injury and Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press. We should have been more than 3 goals up before Zog came off.
What cost us was not only shit defending at set pieces but a complete lack of a winning mentality. Again.
exactly , so why take him off , he was best player by miles
Not fully fit? How many 90 minutes has he played this season? You can count them on one hand. Just because he finally had a good game doesn't mean he is suddenly super fit.
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Charlie is the key.
I agree.
A few lines of it tonight might help me to forget the 2nd half.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
Enough, please.
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The thing is, though, that if you're forced to play three at the back it means your players aren't good enough to cover the defensive areas with four. So someone needs replacing...
We need better defenders and a tall midfielder, or else we will be relegated. It really is as simple as that.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
One more from either of you and you're banned. It's that simple.
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CNZ did fuck all in the 21 minutes he played in the second half should PL have kept him on because he had a good first 45?
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IF Zog was injured then that was just bad luck. IF he wasn't, then Lambert is a prized bellend for that substitution.
Ouch!
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Thought it was a foul on Benteke for the equaliser . But when you are down there you get no luck - as the baggies know from a couple of seasons ago .
It was a game of two halves .
We're gone .
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Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press.
Well, he did a fucking sterling job of that.
Boo hoo it didn't work out. It was a substitution based on the offensive half of the pitch.
It was a poor substitution. and that's not a smart-arse comment based on hindsight, it was openly questioned by many people the moment it happened.
I think it's pretty fair to criticise taking off the best player on the pitch.
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The idea of taking N'Zog off was to bring a bit more ebergy into midfield, and to close the game down.The fact is that if Gabby and N'Zog could pick a final pass , then we could have wonn by 4 or 5 goals.
Too weak and slow in central midfield, and Lowton badly needs a rest.
Disappointed, but not the worst result, shows how with a couple of additions, we could be quite a good team.
Yes. He was tearing open. Hollman does what he does best...gives the ball away.
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Thought N'Zog was our MOM. Threatening, and scared their defence to death (It's a shame he gets so much stick, think he's been bright since his return). Once he left all our threat disappeared, which left us with a midfield that cannot win the ball back and a defence that cannot weather a storm without conceding. All very predictable once they got the early goal. That Newcastle game is looking very important all of sudden given their catastrophic form.
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Holman on for N'Zogbia cost us two points imho, but I'll wait to hear if he was carrying a knock before I castigate PL. If he took him off to 'rest' him for next week he needs shooting
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Thought Delph was excellent and losing him made the difference. Arguably CNZ had his best half for us, I wouldn't have taken him off as I'm sure we could have got another goal on the break. Will take the point but we needed 3...
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Just watched the replay for their first goal. Watching Westwood (I think) running into the back of their player, twice, is actually quite amusing.
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Their substitution of Thomas strengthened them, Bannan, Holman and Lichaj weakened us. If ever one game summed up the need for a better quality squad that was it.
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Lambert is tactically as thick as McLeish.
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CNZ did fuck all in the 21 minutes he played in the second half should PL have kept him on because he had a good first 45?
Some reason. We needed to press more & Charlie, though having a good game, was the obvious choice.
He took the chance if the dub over having greater threat on the break. It didn't pay off.
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CNZ did fuck all in the 21 minutes he played in the second half should PL have kept him on because he had a good first 45?
He was holding the ball better than Holman did, and he was also running at them with intent. There's a big psychological impact there - I bet the tesco bags got a lift from seeing him subbed.
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Great first half. Terrible second. Should have been in the bag. Why was CNZ substituted? Bizarre.
What minute did he get subbed? CNZ did nothing in the second half and looked like the CNZ we've become accustomed too.
CNZ was winning corners and looking a threat when he had the ball , Benteke and Gabby were so much better with him in the team , they both lost it a little when he went off as he was feeding them . I just wish Gabby had put him in , in the second half.
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Just watched the replay for their first goal. Watching Westwood (I think) running into the back of their player, twice, is actually quite amusing.
Not from where I was.
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Bennett did well.
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It feels like a defeat but if you told me we'd get a point at albion then get to wembley this week I'd be chuffed.
And if that happens I think it will be a great confidence boost for the players and club.
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i'll take the point, i thought we were gonna get stuffed another 5-0
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Even second half he was still our biggest threat.
This is the formation and side we need to play, and with a proper defensive midfield player and centre half into it, and we will be a good side.
Got to get those 2 signings as a minimum.
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Holman came on for Zog to sure it up and press.
Well, he did a fucking sterling job of that.
Boo hoo it didn't work out. It was a substitution based on the offensive half of the pitch.
It was a poor substitution. and that's not a smart-arse comment based on hindsight, it was openly questioned by many people the moment it happened.
I think it's pretty fair to criticise taking off the best player on the pitch.
I agree but I don't think it's as black and win as Zog on = win or Zog off = lose.
He wanted to take off either Zog or Gabby and probably kept on the fitter player.
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Gabby and poor subbing cost us 2 points. Gabby should have gone off instead of N'zogbia. Albion supporters are racist scum ...more later.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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How many times do you see a side dominate the first half only to be put under pressure in the second. Albion were never going to play that badly for two halves.
I know its frustrating and we could probably all see what would happen.......but there are some positives.
Charlie seems to be turning in to the player we all hoped he could be and Delph seems to finding some ability to control a game in the middle of the park.
Vlaar returning is also a massive bonus.
If we can turn Bradford over on Tuesday I think we can start to grow as a team, beat Newcastle and start to ease ourselves away from trouble.
Also massively positive is seeing Newcastle implode...I'm sure there will be other sides slipping into the dogfight too.
Keep the faith guys
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I'll tell you waht is really really broing. Not being able to string two good halves together. I just don't get it.
That was really annoying. That win would have been such a tonic.
There really is no excuses. Get a dominant central midfielder (at least) and a centre half in.
Find some way to not let 2 goals a game in and good things might happen.
I'm really fucking sick of it.
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Great first half. Terrible second. Should have been in the bag. Why was CNZ substituted? Bizarre.
What minute did he get subbed? CNZ did nothing in the second half and looked like the CNZ we've become accustomed too.
CNZ was winning corners and looking a threat when he had the ball , Benteke and Gabby were so much better with him in the team , they both lost it a little when he went off as he was feeding them . I just wish Gabby had put him in , in the second half.
He didnt in the 2nd half
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Gabby and poor subbing cost us 2 points. Gabby should have gone off instead of N'zogbia. Albion supporters are racist scum ...more later.
Poor subbing? 2 were enforced subs!
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Guzan poorly letting the ball slip out of his hands for the corner that led to the goal?
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Halftime at 2-0 most clubs should and would see it through. I think you need to double it for us.
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Always hoped Zog can come good, I think he'll be vital from now on.
He got Wigan out of the shit previouslly.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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Bit harsh on Lichaj.
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N'Zogbia was a link between midfield and attack, he was working hard for the team today and unless he had a knock, I think it was the wrong move to take him off. Losing Delph was a big loss, him and Westwood were excellent in the first half, dont remember Bannan doing anything. The forwards were totally isolated.
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Whilst it is immensely frustrating, ultimately I think it was a fair result and a decent performance.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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Bit harsh on Lichaj.
I just think that you can't play Lichaj and Lowton in the same team. And Lowton is much the better player.
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Find some way to not let 2 goals a game in and good things might happen.
Do you really believe that will happen?
We could have swooped for the centre half Southampton had (only £3.5m).
There are good players out there at the right price, but I don't think we're even looking.
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Their substitution of Thomas strengthened them, Bannan, Holman and Lichaj weakened us. If ever one game summed up the need for a better quality squad that was it.
in all fairness its the carte blanche to cane Lichaj on this site, he did well today and didnt weaken us at all
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2-0 up at half time and absolutely cruising. How we ended up clinging desperately to a point 45 minutes later is a mystery. I suppose it was a combination of them improving, us doing the one thing we absolutely didn't want to do at the beginning of the second half, and a couple of substitutions of which the very best you can say is that they were ineffectual.
We keep finding new ways of shooting ourselves in the foot.
First half we played with a purpose. Everybody knew what they were doing.
What was our purpose in the 2nd half? A team of half arsed strangers who met in the pub at half time. No midfield, no challenges, backing off, getting caught out of position, getting bullied and absolutely no idea what to do with the ball when we rarely had it.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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Bit harsh on Lichaj.
agreed.
Left on the coach,rather than the bench.
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I hope Delph is ok. He is the only presence we have in midfield.
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Aston Villa. A team of two halves.
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Lichaj - pivotal moment when he hit the keeper and could've made 3-0. Then all we had to do was keep it tight at the start of the 2nd half and they'd have run out of steam but no. Need someone who can tackle in midfield as we simply have no strength to protect the wobbly defence.
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it was so obvious we weren't going to hang on when they pulled one back.
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Guzan fecked up for the second goal massively, took his eyes off the ball when Lukaku was coming towards him
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
He's probably been our best player the last 4 games.
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Ah well, it was a good game, and the good first half just about overshadowed the bad second, and we've moved out of the bottom three.
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We just can't win football games, and unfortunately I don't think anything other than a win was an option today if we are realistically going to stay up. That said, the point has moved us out of the bottom 3.
I must admit the first half really confounded my expectations, played really well, and N'Zogbia looked on fire. It's such a difference when he just gets his head up and passes the ball at the right moment, he could have had 3 assists or more today. Gabby was also on fire and cutting up their defence. That said I still thank that Gabby and N'Zogbia are still guilty of making some bad decisions at times, where we might have scored otherwise.
Delph was also looking good and keeping us solid in midfield, Bennett was looking good as a winger, but he's no defender, that is plain to see. I'm still far from convinced by Lowton too. Overall maybe one of the best halves of the season from us.
But, as the pundits favourite cliché goes, it's a game of two halves and as many of us feared, we were a different team in the second. The last thing we wanted to do was concede early and get West Brom's tails up, and put ourselves under pressure,so what do we do? Exactly that! Can't remember who, but it was just slack defending on our part, starting from midfield. From there on in I think we all knew it was unlikely we would win this.
Can't believe N'Zogbia was taken off, Bannan and Holman looked ineffective and we lacked the same penetration after that. To me it kind of signalled to West Brom that we were happy to try and sit on our lead, and we know what happens when we do that don't we!
Feels like we lost today, rather than got a draw. We must beat Newcastle now, if we don't i'm just not sure who there is we can beat any more.
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Get a grip some of the abuse is shocking. Good away point.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
He's probably been our best player the last 4 games.
Not as good as today though. My point still stands in that his Villa career has hardly lived up to expectation.
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Guzan fecked up for the second goal massively, took his eyes off the ball when Lukaku was coming towards him
I'm sure Bannan will still get the blame on here.
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Benteke was magnificent tonight.He could play at the very top level.There 1st goal came from N'zog failing to lay the ball off to Eric overlapping.As good as N'Zog and Gabby played, their final ball is awful.Westwood played well again, but needs a more physical player alongside him, although Delph showed again he is an able stand in.Bannan and Holman, are too slow and too weak at this level.
Bennett played well i thought, as did Vlaar and Guzan.Don't rate Clark, but thought he was ok, but looks like hes always got a mistake in him.Lowton, i'm not sure on tbh, needs a rest.I thought Eric was poor tonight.
One good central midfielder, and we won have won that tonight.
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I'd have taken a draw beforehand but it's still a sickener to lose a 2 goal lead. Our appalling defence let us down again. It's now more important than ever that Lerner provides the cash to strengthen it. It's not acceptable for Aston Villa to have a defence as truly bad as this one. It has to be addressed.
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I havent seen the game but I didnt dream we could get a point away at WBA. I am happy enough. Also out of the relegation zone.
PLEASE Lambert, Lerner Faulkner. Sign some god damn midfielders this week.
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Get a grip some of the abuse is shocking. Good away point.
If we could win at home I'd be in agreement.
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I just worry about confidence. That's 4 points we've lost late in games recently. The second time we've blown a 2 goal lead this season. The mentality of players has got to start being affected as games move into the latter stages.
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Questions have to be asked when we say dont bring on the yank for Baker when he was injured but who else was coming off the bench, Delph is beginning to look like a player and picks up a knock, Holman I am sorry works hard at times, but should nowhere be near the bench, thats just maybe why Randy needs to get his cheque book out again, be coz if he does not we are down.
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Get a grip some of the abuse is shocking. Good away point.
Agreed. Still gutted though.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
That's not fickle at all.
I still back Lambert (just about) but shite though Zog has been for two years, he was excellent in the first half, they didn't know what to do with him.
Then we took him off, and look how the second half worked out.
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Yet again, second half collapse. Sounded like a lot of long ball stuff too in that half, shaky clearances etc.
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You can blame Randy Lerner all you want, but he doesn't set the team up to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes. He wasn't in the dressing room to motivate and inject desire into them. He wasn't the one who could spot our shortcomings and correct them. He wasn't the one that made a couple of the oddest substitutions I've seen.
We are a soft, soft touch. And we will be relegated if nothing is done to correct that. It doesn't matter if we sign Messi, Sneijder or Yaya Bastard Toure.
I wanted Lambert as manager this summer. I thought he'd be exactly what we needed. I'm sorry to say I've changed my mind, now I see him as Roberto Martinez-lite.
If I was Lerner, as far as I was concerned, Paul Lambert has one game to save his job.
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Feels like a defeat but thankfully wasn't
Vlaar back a big plus
Benteke really great goal and good performance
Gabby really good game
We are absolutely desperate for a defensive midfielder
CNZ was a real threat
If CNZ was not injured, his substitution was madness
Guzan, apart from the mistake for the corner had a good game
Holman, Bannan and a few others not for this level
A really good first half but if we continue like this we will go down
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
He's probably been our best player the last 4 games.
Not as good as today though. My point still stands in that his Villa career has hardly lived up to expectation.
It hasn't, but when a player is in form (and it's not like we have many we can say that about) and the opposition are worried about him it makes more sense to leave him on. To me it does anyway.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
He's probably been our best player the last 4 games.
Not as good as today though. My point still stands in that his Villa career has hardly lived up to expectation.
No, he hasn't. But today he was outstanding so why PL took him off is a mystery and after he did, we were shit. People aren't being fickle, they're getting fucked off with watching a team who always concede a couple of couple of goals.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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Bit harsh on Lichaj.
agreed.
Left on the coach,rather than the bench.
A fine example and typical idiotic comment. Why people feel the need to spout bollocks like this I have no idea. Lichaj had a good game today. surrounded by better players with more confidence Lichaj will be a good player for us. Yes, he has had a few bad games for us but crap like this after he has a decent game is infuriating
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I'd have taken a draw beforehand but it's still a sickener to lose a 2 goal lead. Our appalling defence let us down again. It's now more important than ever that Lerner provides the cash to strengthen it. It's not acceptable for Aston Villa to have a defence as truly bad as this one. It has to be addressed.
That's the thing.
A first half of considerable promise, but let down by the same feeble deficiencies we have had all season.
They have got to be put right because, despite the first half, we still don't ever look like winning games, and that will get us relegated. All the good work and improvements will count for nought, sadly.
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Lichaj did fine. Who else could Lambert have brought on?
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Albion were always gonna come out second half and have most of the posession, even second half we had some good moments so for fucks sake lets not be quite so quick to slate them.
It's a decent away point.
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You can blame Randy Lerner all you want, but he doesn't set the team up to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes. He wasn't in the dressing room to motivate and inject desire into them. He wasn't the one who could spot our shortcomings and correct them. He wasn't the one that made a couple of the oddest substitutions I've seen.
We are a soft, soft touch. And we will be relegated if nothing is done to correct that. It doesn't matter if we sign Messi, Sneijder or Yaya Bastard Toure.
I wanted Lambert as manager this summer. I thought he'd be exactly what we needed. I'm sorry to say I've changed my mind, now I see him as Roberto Martinez-lite.
If I was Lerner, as far as I was concerned, Paul Lambert has one game to save his job.
The first two subs were from injuries so how you can make that comment is strange, agree N Zog should not have gone off
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
Fickle? As you rightly say, he's been pretty poor for nearly 2 seasons, so when he's having what is agruably one of his best games for the club, having had 2 assists and nearly created several other goals, we take him off. I wonder what Lambert said to him when he came off? "Well Charles, mumble, mumble, i took you off even though you were playing well in this game, because, mumble mumble, you've played pretty badly over the last 2 seasons and that's a good reason to substitute you in this game."
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Lambert either needs to get forwards finishing chances
Or
He needs to teach defenders how to deal with set pieces
Either of those would have won us the game, it really isn't rocket science.
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Fuck settling for a point, we SHOULD have WON this game.
Positives
- Gabby back to his best
- THAT goal
- We appear to be seeing an in form Charles N'Zogbia for the first time in his Villa career
- The improved 1st half display - Confident, exciting, technically very good
- Bennett - Thought he played ok today. Made a couple of saving tackles, put some good crosses in. Just needs a bit of confidence which he should get playing alongside Ron
Negatives
- The lack of tactical nouse by Mr Lambert
- The introduction of Barry 'Hollywood' Bannan - Lacking in EVERY possible dept
- The introduction of Holman - Doing his best to impersonate one of the chickens from Chicken Run, running around the pitch, arms flailing everywhere
- Eric Lichaj - Bench at best - SHould not have come on as replacement for Baker
- Injury to Baker, who I think is our next best defender to Ron
...but, we pick ourselves up, we go again. Now I know how Bill fucking Murray feels! 'Sigh'
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Bit harsh on Lichaj.
agreed.
Left on the coach,rather than the bench.
A fine example and typical idiotic comment. Why people feel the need to spout bollocks like this I have no idea. Lichaj had a good game today. surrounded by better players with more confidence Lichaj will be a good player for us. Yes, he has had a few bad games for us but crap like this after he has a decent game is infuriating
I agree, he's never going to be a world beater but his an honest fucker and will always give 100%. If only he put that chance away!
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The problem in the second half was tactical, for me. We gave them so much time, space and ball in the final third. I know all the theories behind what the formation is meant to be and what it's meant to do, but it ends up as 5-2-1-2, and against their 4-2-3-1 it basically ended up as 2 against 5 in their favour. It meant every clearance the defence made was essentially futile, as the ball fell to the feet of their midfielders.
First half, tactics didn't matter too much as the players just looked so up for it and just so much better than recent weeks. However, the ingredients of failure were there, and Lambert didn't appear to see it. It was obvious what the problem was, and he did nothing about it. For different reasons we have surrendered leads late on away at Swansea and now Baggies. Give us four extra points and we'd be feeling much happier - as it is, we still look in desperate trouble.
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At the start of the day if you'd have offered me a draw I would've taken it, but knowing that that draw came from a 2 nil lead makes my piss boil a bit more than it should've.
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Lambert is tactically as thick as McLeish.
So assuming N'Zogbia, Delph had knocks & Baker was injured who could have come on to replace them? Possibly Ireland instead of N'Zogbia but who else?
Bannan, Holman & Lichaj are not good enough, we all know that.
Don't forget Albion improved after half time, closed us down quicker and constantly went dirrect to Lukaku. But we didn't keep the ball during the 2nd half.
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Nothing wrong with our strike force, but it's hopeless if we have to expect them to score three goals a game to get 3 points.
What the fuck do they work on at Bodymoor Heath.
The defence may be green, but they continually make the most basic of errors.
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Problem 2nd half when they went fir it was a lack of leader in the midfield...please get one!
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
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Ah well, it was a good game, and the good first half just about overshadowed the bad second, and we've moved out of the bottom three.
I agree with Risso.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
Barry Bannan is even worse but that doesn't stop him and others from getting a game nearly every week.
N'Zogbia can win games for us. Get him in the team and keep him there. Same with Gabby. It's experience we need, not lightweight youngsters who'll never be good enough.
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We've scored twice in our last 2 away games. Led in both going into the last 10 minutes. To not win at least one of them is poor.
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A big problem was Delph going off. Bannan is not a defensive midfielder at the best of times, and certainly not in a two against five situation!
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
Not sure i'd say Weimann is better than Benteke.
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I suppose a point is a point and we are out of the bottom three but it is still annoying.
We're perfectly ok in attack. The defence is ok too truth be told. It's the bloody midfield. It's the problem we have had since close of business at the end of August.
Almost every Albion possession from about 40 minutes onwards ended up with them having possession - and free players - on the edge of our box. Lambert should be moving heaven and earth this week to get a couple of strong midfielders from somewhere.
Sort that out and we could actually be quite a good team.
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I much prefer to be moaning about only getting a point, than to be moaning about a 4-0 defeat and wondering if the manager has resigned yet.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
Not sure i'd say Weimann is better than Benteke.
I think it's fair to say he's more consistent, though. Benteke was magic tonight but has been really poor the last few games.
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Ah well, it was a good game, and the good first half just about overshadowed the bad second, and we've moved out of the bottom three.
I agree with Risso.
and darren woolley?
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Can't complain about the result.
But I can complain about us winning corners, and then almost immediately conceding chances.
Not winning the second balls.
Looking totally inept when a ball is lumped into our box.
I still think the good stuff outweighed the bad today.
Delph and N'zogbia caught the eye, the Zog looked good against Ipswich too.
One central midfielder who isn't a pushover please.
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. The defence is ok too truth be told.
Disagree, defending is still appalling at corners and crosses and always look capable of dropping a goal costing clanger.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
Not sure i'd say Weimann is better than Benteke.
Just my opinion, Benteke shows flashed of brilliance but also shows the ability to miss sitter after sitter.
There's definitely a good player in there but he's very hot and cold for me.
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A big problem was Delph going off. Bannan is not a defensive midfielder at the best of times, and certainly not in a two against five situation!
In all farness neither is delph. I think he is best when he picks the ball up and drives at the defence-he was outstanding in a more adanced role for leeds, i think it is a case of needs must for him at the moment. I hope that if we can get in a dmf or two he can be utilised in a more advanced role.
and for all of those ripping into Holman, today he was pretty crap to be fair but on a couple of occasions this season he has been the post game focus in the highlights, dont be so quick to write him off
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Looking at the game today, I think the Baggies will be where we are now next season. Lukaku will return to Chelski, Odemwingie will go in January or the summer, Morrison's having the season of his life, Olsson really isn't that great. They're an average side who had a great start, but in a struggle they've not got what it takes to battle. Their best player today was Jerome Thomas and he didn't start - you've got to question Steve Clarke for getting that wrong.
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
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Forgot about Weimann, i must say a foward choice og Bent, Benteke, N'Zog, Weimann and Gabby is quite good, the trouble is the defence and the midfield is not strong enough.
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Even at 2-0 you knew it probably wouldn't be enough. The miss by Lichaj just before half time could have sealed it and again you kind of knew that would probably end up costing us.
The priority for the second half was not to concede early, but this is Villa, so no surprise when we did just that.
I can kind of see the logic of why he replaced N'Zogbia with Holman but Charlie was having perhaps his best game for us and they were constantly worried about the quick break while he was on. Plus Holman isn't up to much apart from a lot of largely ineffective chasing and harrying.
Great dummy and strike by Benteke but the lad is shite at defending set pieces.
Positives- Gabby and N'Zogbia were tremendous, especially first half, and we need more of that from them. We didn't lose and we're out of the bottom 3 again - just.
Whilst our form is relegation form, I still don't think there is too much wrong that a couple of strong and influential central midfielders wouldn't go a long way to putting right. Unfortunately there are few signs we will get even one.
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A big problem was Delph going off. Bannan is not a defensive midfielder at the best of times, and certainly not in a two against five situation!
In all farness neither is delph. I think he is best when he picks the ball up and drives at the defence-he was outstanding in a more adanced role for leeds, i think it is a case of needs must for him at the moment.
He's much more suited to the role than Bannan though, undeniably.
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I suppose a point is a point and we are out of the bottom three but it is still annoying.
We're perfectly ok in attack. The defence is ok too truth be told. It's the bloody midfield. It's the problem we have had since close of business at the end of August.
Almost every Albion possession from about 40 minutes onwards ended up with them having possession - and free players - on the edge of our box. Lambert should be moving heaven and earth this week to get a couple of strong midfielders from somewhere.
Sort that out and we could actually be quite a good team.
The midfield is poor, but it isnt in the middle of the pitch that corners are delivered from
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
Not sure i'd say Weimann is better than Benteke.
I think it's fair to say he's more consistent, though. Benteke was magic tonight but has been really poor the last few games.
4 goals and 2 assists in his last 7 games. It'll take that every day of the week.
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We need a strong spine to the team, we have Guzan in goal, Vlaar in defence and Benteke up front, add in a big athletic midfielder and we might have something to work from.
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Truth is the midfield is killing us. Strengthen that and the defence will look better as it won't be under pressure for long periods of games. Priority now before the Newcastle game, must have someone making a debut that night to sort this out.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
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When, when will I ever see us hold onto a fucking lead. That is 2 points dropped. They were there for the taking, but he decided to sit back and then made the shittest substitution ever - was he trying to save him for Tuesday? Bannan is hopeless, Holman just looks as if he has spent all his playing days at Dandenong. Ironically, Delph was having a very decent game until his injury.
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Delph going off was a big hindrance to us. Didn't think i'd be saying that a month ago.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
Not sure i'd say Weimann is better than Benteke.
I think it's fair to say he's more consistent, though. Benteke was magic tonight but has been really poor the last few games.
4 goals and 2 assists in his last 7 games. It'll take that every day of the week.
Are those Benteke's stats? Blimey, he can be effective when looking rubbish!
A point - Moussa Sissoko in that midfield and we wouldn't have lost the game.
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Sorry, that is last 7 league games.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
One more from either of you and you're banned. It's that simple.
I've only had one go, he's had two. Surely I can sneak another in?
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
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As an aside, what did people think of Graham Dorrans today? Didn't do that bad but wasn't fantastically influential.
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You can try Lee, but i'm not going to promise that it ends well!
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A big problem was Delph going off. Bannan is not a defensive midfielder at the best of times, and certainly not in a two against five situation!
In all farness neither is delph. I think he is best when he picks the ball up and drives at the defence-he was outstanding in a more adanced role for leeds, i think it is a case of needs must for him at the moment. I hope that if we can get in a dmf or two he can be utilised in a more advanced role.
and for all of those ripping into Holman, today he was pretty crap to be fair but on a couple of occasions this season he has been the post game focus in the highlights, dont be so quick to write him off
The first half was as good as we have played all season. Unfortunately the three subs had a negative impact (in all fairness Baker and Delph were injured, and N'Zogbia looked jaded so I can see why PL made the changes) and the 2nd half had an air of inevitability about it.
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Delph going off was a big hindrance to us. Didn't think i'd be saying that a month ago.
His performances in the last game and a half have been the best by any centre mid this season at Villa ( admittedly that's not saying much)
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As an aside, what did people think of Graham Dorrans today? Didn't do that bad but wasn't fantastically influential.
not for us im afraid. I did keep an eye on him and didnt think he was any better than anything we have to be honest
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
One more from either of you and you're banned. It's that simple.
I've only had one go, he's had two. Surely I can sneak another in?
Please don't.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
One more from either of you and you're banned. It's that simple.
I've only had one go, he's had two. Surely I can sneak another in?
I'm joking by the way.
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How did we let that happen. I watched game on telly in Salisbury and left the pub happy after 40mins to rejoin disrupted train..Get to Sidmouth and they did it again!! Oh well. Better than nothin I suppose.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
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And that second half 'performance' ladies and gentlemen, exactly why we will get relegated this season.
Fuck off, you're really boring now.
Wanker
Pack it in the pair of you.
Well not quite sure why that twat told me to fuck off. I didnt know I kept say we would be relegated to the point of it being boring.
One more from either of you and you're banned. It's that simple.
I've only had one go, he's had two. Surely I can sneak another in?
I'm joking by the way.
And I'm laughing.
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That makes a change
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The main positives are that we managed to get performances out of Gabby and N'Zogbia and we're out of the bottom 3. We now have to build on that.
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Gabby had a decent game, but he missed chances that would have ensured us winning yet I don't see much criticism compared to some of the other players.
Agreed Holman isn't up to Premiership standard and Bannan has ability but isn't consistent. Today Delph was better but has had much abuse recently as has N'Zogbia.
It may be that Lambert is not playing some players in their best position and the coaching staff need to improve their performance as we lost out today because Clarke fired his team up and changed their game to counter our first half superiority and we hadn't a clue how to counter Albion's change of tactics.
That is down to Lambert.
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Delph going off was a big hindrance to us. Didn't think i'd be saying that a month ago.
His best game for us today.
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If the scoring sequence had been the other way around we would be whooping for joy.
This was never going to be anything other than a very difficult match - Olbiun had 6 changes to their side today.
Just shows what a couple of decent players will do for us.
I shall enjoy questionning the Boggies of my aquaintance about their levels of discomforture at being ripped apart by "shit" Villa in the first half.
What happened during the 8th minute btw?
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. The defence is ok too truth be told.
Disagree, defending is still appalling at corners and crosses and always look capable of dropping a goal costing clanger.
We defend ear corners as a team, our problem is the 2nd ball, as we never get to get to it. Our whole defence tries to react a split second too late.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Funnily I remember when we first signed him and one of the (genk?) fans said he was unplayable on his day but very inconsistent
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As an aside, what did people think of Graham Dorrans today? Didn't do that bad but wasn't fantastically influential.
Not good enough for Villa. The squad is already rife with average players we don't need anymore.
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If the scoring sequence had been the other way around we would be whooping for joy.
This was never going to be anything other than a very difficult match - Olbiun had 6 changes to their side today.
Just shows what a couple of decent players will do for us.
I shall enjoy questionning the Boggies of my aquaintance about their levels of discomforture at being ripped apart by "shit" Villa in the first half.
What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
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Delph going off was a big hindrance to us. Didn't think i'd be saying that a month ago.
His best game for us today.
Yes, infact his last 2 or 3 games have shown a big improvement.
A midfield of him, Westwood and a 'petrov' type would be promising.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
I agree with Greg except about NZog. He was great.
And think that Nzog taken off was with an eye to the next game. He, Chris B and Gabby terrified Albion for the first half. The team were firing. What happened at half time?
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I'm disappointed with our second half performance I really thought we were going to beat them but I'll take a point.
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Chill. Please chill.
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When we get a corner, I never feel that we are going to score. When we defend a corner, I have exactly the opposite feeling.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
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We need to work harder on defending corners. We need to work harder on keeping 2 goal leads.
We just need another midfielder. Bannan just isnt cutting the mustard. it's just such a shame how we can't see games out, Barry Bannan is not a player I want on when we're trying to hold onto lead. It's really unfortunate that Delph and N'Zogbia had to be substituted, I think we could of held on if both were playing.
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What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
They did do it, although not sure it lasted a minute as the Villa fans sang and took the piss.
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I'll tell you waht is really really broing. Not being able to string two good halves together. I just don't get it.
That was really annoying. That win would have been such a tonic.
There really is no excuses. Get a dominant central midfielder (at least) and a centre half in.
Find some way to not let 2 goals a game in and good things might happen.
I'm really fucking sick of it.
Can't remember the last good one half we had, lets alone two. One step at a time!
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If its like this when we got a point, I dread to think what this thread would have been like if we'd had a shoeing.
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What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
They did do it, although not sure it lasted a minute as the Villa fans sang and took the piss.
I barely heard it.
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What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
They did do it, although not sure it lasted a minute as the Villa fans sang and took the piss.
It's unbelievably small time, incidentally couldn't tell watching on tv how did they react to the Petrov applause?
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We need to work harder on defending corners. We need to work harder on keeping 2 goal leads.
We just need another midfielder. Bannan just isnt cutting the mustard. it's just such a shame how we can't see games out, Barry Bannan is not a player I want on when we're trying to hold onto lead. It's really unfortunate that Delph and N'Zogbia had to be substituted, I think we could of held on if both were playing.
Benteke has been at fault for goals conceded st corners. Not all, but more than his fair share.
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I'll tell you waht is really really broing. Not being able to string two good halves together. I just don't get it.
That was really annoying. That win would have been such a tonic.
There really is no excuses. Get a dominant central midfielder (at least) and a centre half in.
Find some way to not let 2 goals a game in and good things might happen.
I'm really fucking sick of it.
Can't remember the last good one half we had, lets alone two. One step at a time!
Did you not watch today's game?
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
Really?
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What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
They did do it, although not sure it lasted a minute as the Villa fans sang and took the piss.
It's unbelievably small time, incidentally couldn't tell watching on tv how did they react to the Petrov applause?
Couldn't tell that either. The audio was poor.
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People in forums are so fickle. Zog has been shit for us for nearly 2 seasons, he has 1 good game and people cry when he leaves the pitch and question the manager. A manager who over the last 2 years of his career has been nothing short of great.
what even the last 6 mths ?
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It's unbelievably small time, incidentally couldn't tell watching on tv how did they react to the Petrov applause?
Same here, I think it was during the Gabby/Olsson handbags so ESPN concentrated on that.
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
I agree with Greg except about NZog. He was great.
And think that Nzog taken off was with an eye to the next game. He, Chris B and Gabby terrified Albion for the first half. The team were firing. What happened at half time?
Still not sure why anyone pays much attention to this Nash fella. As far as I've seen, he's posted pretty mundane, provocative rubbish ever since I've been on here.
Seems like if you speak sense, you're ignored, talk rubbish and people take note.
He should be writing for the Daily Mail.
They're boring as well.
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I also think we should have had a penalty second half. blatant foul on Benteke in the box.
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What happened during the 8th minute btw?
They were threatening to do an 8th minute applause to mock our recent Chelsea defeat, if ever there was a small time gesture...
They did do it, although not sure it lasted a minute as the Villa fans sang and took the piss.
I barely heard it.
I heard it clearly on the wireless.
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I also think we should have had a penalty second half. blatant foul on Benteke in the box.
NO.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
Really?
Yes, I forgot to mention the goals that Benteke has cost us from corners so far too!
Like I said I do rate him I just prefer Weimann.
I don't see what part of that is me looking for an argument, lets just agree to to disagree.
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You can blame Randy Lerner all you want, but he doesn't set the team up to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes. He wasn't in the dressing room to motivate and inject desire into them. He wasn't the one who could spot our shortcomings and correct them. He wasn't the one that made a couple of the oddest substitutions I've seen.
We are a soft, soft touch. And we will be relegated if nothing is done to correct that. It doesn't matter if we sign Messi, Sneijder or Yaya Bastard Toure.
I wanted Lambert as manager this summer. I thought he'd be exactly what we needed. I'm sorry to say I've changed my mind, now I see him as Roberto Martinez-lite.
If I was Lerner, as far as I was concerned, Paul Lambert has one game to save his job.
The first two subs were from injuries so how you can make that comment is strange, agree N Zog should not have gone off
Fair enough if Delph was injured, he didn't seem to hobble off as far as I could see.
The rest of my post I stand by. Our defending as a team (not back four wise) is as disorganised, as unstructured, as powder puff and naive as I have seen in 30 years of watching Villa.
Take that result before the game? Yes. Take that performance? I don't think so.
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
I agree with Greg except about NZog. He was great.
And think that Nzog taken off was with an eye to the next game. He, Chris B and Gabby terrified Albion for the first half. The team were firing. What happened at half time?
well clarke went 4-4-2 after the 2nd went in. that stopped us being so effective in the 2nd half
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
Really?
Yes, I forgot to mention the goals that Benteke has cost us from corners so far too!
Like I said I do rate him I just prefer Weimann.
I don't see what part of that is me looking for an argument, lets just agree to to disagree.
Read my first post again really slowly,read the one you just posted and leave it to the grown up's.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
Really?
Yes, I forgot to mention the goals that Benteke has cost us from corners so far too!
Like I said I do rate him I just prefer Weimann.
I don't see what part of that is me looking for an argument, lets just agree to to disagree.
Read my first post again really slowly,read the one you just posted and leave it to the grown up's.
I'm the one looking for an argument though.
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Fucking stripeyfilth bastards I hate them, did you see their inbred scum fans at every corner/throw in abusing Villa players?
That's why I'm even more fucking annoyed at letting it slip.
Our defence (whoever plays in it) is the worst in the Premier League and it's going to send us down.
I thought some of our players were clueless in the second half, men against boys springs to mind, Lowton was blocked in the build up to the first goal and countless times we tried to play when we should have just killed the game, all very noble but sometimes you just have to kick it away from your goal.
I too am confused, N'Zogbia was such a threat but to take him off so early was to nullify any chance we had, Gabby worked hard and Benteke was awesome in the first half but when are we going to get that a game lasts two halves !
More points lost.
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Wind it in you two. Especially you bertlambshank. And stop with the flipping quotathons please.
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
I agree with Greg except about NZog. He was great.
And think that Nzog taken off was with an eye to the next game. He, Chris B and Gabby terrified Albion for the first half. The team were firing. What happened at half time?
Still not sure why anyone pays much attention to this Nash fella. As far as I've seen, he's posted pretty mundane, provocative rubbish ever since I've been on here.
Seems like if you speak sense, you're ignored, talk rubbish and people take note.
He should be writing for the Daily Mail.
They're boring as well.
hmmm mundane but provocative. Surely i can't be both?
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Yep.
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Why do we ask our best forward to keep defending their best player at a corner.
He is just a kid for fucks sake.
Our best forward didn't play today.
of course he did,if you think you are being clever go and play with somebody else.
Sorry who's being clever?
Not you.
In my opinion Weimann works harder, is more consistent and shows more of a winning mentality than Benteke. Rather than blowing hot or cold he always contributes and works damn hard.
That said when Benteke is on it he's virtually unplayable, I just don't think we see it often enough.
I apologise if that conflicts with your opinion.
Are you just looking for an argument?
No I'm voicing an opinion, if that bothers you then maybe message boards are not for you.
Really?
Yes, I forgot to mention the goals that Benteke has cost us from corners so far too!
Like I said I do rate him I just prefer Weimann.
I don't see what part of that is me looking for an argument, lets just agree to to disagree.
Read my first post again really slowly,read the one you just posted and leave it to the grown up's.
I'm the one looking for an argument though.
Please both stop this or go to PM if need be.
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I'm in full blown count the points mode so its a good point - i certainly would have settled for it beforehand. Gabby actually looked like he gave a fuck for a change, wasn't as impressed with N'Zog as some of you but then i don't rate him - he was better, for him. Problem still boils down to the defence - you can't give away 2 goals a game and expect to win unless you have RVP up front.. Peter omyweeble or whatever his name is, should have had a hattrick second half. Overall, simlar feeling to the Swansea game except we played a bit better. Something to build on hopefully.
I agree with Greg except about NZog. He was great.
And think that Nzog taken off was with an eye to the next game. He, Chris B and Gabby terrified Albion for the first half. The team were firing. What happened at half time?
Still not sure why anyone pays much attention to this Nash fella. As far as I've seen, he's posted pretty mundane, provocative rubbish ever since I've been on here.
Seems like if you speak sense, you're ignored, talk rubbish and people take note.
He should be writing for the Daily Mail.
They're boring as well.
I don't see any problem with what Nash wrote (above). It looks like a sensible assessment of today to me.
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That goes for you too Legion with the quotathon! ;D
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CNZ was not injured. Injured players don't sit down on the bench and watch the rest of the game.
Tired? Maybe, but I'd rather have had him on the pitch exhausted than a supposedly fit Holman.
Baker did
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Wind it in you two. Especially you bertlambshank. And stop with the flipping quotathons please.
What am winding in? I wasn't the one having a go.
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For what it's worth Weimann and Benteke would be my first choice forward line.
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Yes, I forgot to mention the goals that Benteke has cost us from corners so far too!
Like I said I do rate him I just prefer Weimann.
I don't see what part of that is me looking for an argument, lets just agree to to disagree.
I think Weimann has played well next to Benteke, the partnership brings the best out of both.
But I agree with you about the corners issue. He would be far more effective up the pitch for them for to hold on to the clearance. At the moment it is Charles left up and all they do is leave pacy fullbacks back to mark him. If Christian was up there as well, one of their stronger fellas would have to stay back with him.
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Wind it in you two. Especially you bertlambshank. And stop with the flipping quotathons please.
What am winding in? I wasn't the one having a go.
The digs and trying to get an argument going.
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
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Midfield on Tuesday will be Bannan and Ireland if Delph is injured. Well, I use the word midfield in the broadest possible sense because that is practically non existent.
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That goes for you too Legion with the quotathon! ;D
See you next Tuesday!
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That goes for you too Legion with the quotathon! ;D
See you next Tuesday!
Look at my name and cry!
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On a positive note, I thought Bennett looked much better especially first half.
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Can this whole tip-tapping argument thing stop now please? I was the one getting pelters last week (and be forewarned, my co-editor will probably be posting his match report on here later) and it's tedious.
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Wind it in you two. Especially you bertlambshank. And stop with the flipping quotathons please.
What am winding in? I wasn't the one having a go.
The digs and trying to get an argument going.
PWS if you read it back I wasn't .But I will it leave it there.
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
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Amen.
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You can blame Randy Lerner all you want, but he doesn't set the team up to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes. He wasn't in the dressing room to motivate and inject desire into them. He wasn't the one who could spot our shortcomings and correct them. He wasn't the one that made a couple of the oddest substitutions I've seen.
We are a soft, soft touch. And we will be relegated if nothing is done to correct that. It doesn't matter if we sign Messi, Sneijder or Yaya Bastard Toure.
I wanted Lambert as manager this summer. I thought he'd be exactly what we needed. I'm sorry to say I've changed my mind, now I see him as Roberto Martinez-lite.
If I was Lerner, as far as I was concerned, Paul Lambert has one game to save his job.
The first two subs were from injuries so how you can make that comment is strange, agree N Zog should not have gone off
Fair enough if Delph was injured, he didn't seem to hobble off as far as I could see.
The rest of my post I stand by. Our defending as a team (not back four wise) is as disorganised, as unstructured, as powder puff and naive as I have seen in 30 years of watching Villa.
Take that result before the game? Yes. Take that performance? I don't think so.
Mr Woo, he was clearly hobbling as he came off, think he suffered it in first half when he went for tussle with their crap right back. I thought first half we defended excellently as a team to be fair, second half we suffered when Delph went off and N'Zog IMHO
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I can't wait till we win a match and get 3 points we'll all be happy for a few hours then. Looking at the fixtures it might not be till March 9th :(
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Easy, we've got millwall next week.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
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For what it's worth Weimann and Benteke would be my first choice forward line.
Bent and Benteke for me. Pace apart - thats all you need in a front two.
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
Royal rumble?
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Oh yes, and Villa oblige another player who hasn't scored for a Geological epoch.
Does that happen a lot or is it a figment of my imagination?
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You can blame Randy Lerner all you want, but he doesn't set the team up to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes. He wasn't in the dressing room to motivate and inject desire into them. He wasn't the one who could spot our shortcomings and correct them. He wasn't the one that made a couple of the oddest substitutions I've seen.
We are a soft, soft touch. And we will be relegated if nothing is done to correct that. It doesn't matter if we sign Messi, Sneijder or Yaya Bastard Toure.
I wanted Lambert as manager this summer. I thought he'd be exactly what we needed. I'm sorry to say I've changed my mind, now I see him as Roberto Martinez-lite.
If I was Lerner, as far as I was concerned, Paul Lambert has one game to save his job.
The first two subs were from injuries so how you can make that comment is strange, agree N Zog should not have gone off
Fair enough if Delph was injured, he didn't seem to hobble off as far as I could see.
The rest of my post I stand by. Our defending as a team (not back four wise) is as disorganised, as unstructured, as powder puff and naive as I have seen in 30 years of watching Villa.
Take that result before the game? Yes. Take that performance? I don't think so.
Mr Woo, he was clearly hobbling as he came off, think he suffered it in first half when he went for tussle with their crap right back. I thought first half we defended excellently as a team to be fair, second half we suffered when Delph went off and N'Zog IMHO
Sorry, fair enough. Thats what alcohol does for your eyesight and concentration. Be warned kids............
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
Royal rumble?
Bender! you just want to grapple with 24 guys in skimpy outfits! :D
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Amen.
PWS are you going to let this go?
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Just seen that Odemwingie hasn't scored a prem goal for the equivalent of 10 full games. Good old Villa ending droughts and bad records for the opposition since 2000.
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How did Dorrans play? - is he worth a punt this window?
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Oh yes, and Villa oblige another player who hasn't scored for a Geological epoch.
Does that happen a lot or is it a figment of my imagination?
Players often seem to score their first goal against us too.
Jamie Carragher and Phil Jones spring to mind.
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
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His subs cost us today. Bannan is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot
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Just seen that Odemwingie hasn't scored a prem goal for the equivalent of 10 full games. Good old Villa ending droughts and bad records for the opposition since 2000.
Every other game has ended 2-1 to either side. Not today this Villa team change all the records nothing new there!
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How did Dorrans play? - is he worth a punt this window?
On todays showing no, but he's been getting good reports in the press recently.
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
Royal rumble?
Bender! you just want to grapple with 24 guys in skimpy outfits! :D
You have seen right through me
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
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Just seen that Odemwingie hasn't scored a prem goal for the equivalent of 10 full games. Good old Villa ending droughts and bad records for the opposition since 2000.
well he had enough chances 2nd half. I reckon Ivanhoe could have got one presented with that many opportunities
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His subs cost us today. Bannan is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot
I agree re the 3rd sub, who would you sugges the bring on for the first two ?
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
Royal rumble?
Bender! you just want to grapple with 24 guys in skimpy outfits! :D
You have seen right through me
God, richtheholtender is a robot from the year 3000.
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
Other than Citeh away on the league cup I can't remember a better performance from him. Someone tell him Bradford is a derby!
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You all talk a good fight.
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Let's cut to the chase. Would anyone like a fight?
Yeah I'd love one!
Royal rumble?
Bender! you just want to grapple with 24 guys in skimpy outfits! :D
You have seen right through me
God, richtheholtender is a robot from the year 3000.
Paul Lambert should come with me if he wants to live
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
aye. he's been bollocks for ages now and seems to have escaped a lot of flak for some reason. I hope this return to form isnot just because of who we were playing - he owes us some performances from now till May.
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You all talk a good fight.
Somebody hold my coat!
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Holman should have been the one to have come on for Delph. In a deeper role he can be useful when we are under pressure due to his closing down. He is useless though in the advanced role. Offers nothing. Taking Zog off is yet another in a long list of poor substitutions by PL that have cost us. The game was end to end before he went off. They had pressure but we looked threatening on the counter. I have no confidence in PL keeping us up. He is just too tactically inept. What makes it even worse is that the Boggies weren't even that good in the second half. They gave it a go but there wasn't much end product. Most of their attacks resulted in wayward long shots. Fair play to them though, they showed the spirit and character that we haven't seen at Villa for ages.
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
We won't get relegated for throwing away two goal leads. We are Aston Villa - throwing away two goal leads defines us. Our next crest should say AVFC - throw away two goal leads.
Back to the match: our front three were a joy to watch first half. I hope to see more of the same from Zog and Gabby, then I think we may start picking up.
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
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Bannan is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot
Yep, once again, for his few qualities, he detracts so much from the team because of his shortcomings its not worth him being on the pitch. I saw a feature about Gordon Strachan on Football Focus today. THAT is the player wee Barry should be striving to replicate.
I'm afraid Strachan will be lacing his own (all be it, coaching) boots for the forseeable future. Bannan isn't fit to do so.
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Lambert cost us the game with that stupid substitution, unless N'Zogbia is injured.
He hadn't touched the ball for 10 minutes, not sure if he was injured or knackered but I think something needed to be done. Played very well first half though.
One of those clichéd "would have taken it before the game" results. If you're a glass half empty type you'll bemoan the points dropped, if you tend to the half full side of things then you'll be encouraged by a point against a team that would have gone sixth if they'd won.
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There ought to be a mod amnesty for an hour on the post match thread after every game where we can vent our spleens and have a right go at each other
It would be fuckin brill
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You all talk a good fight.
Did you call my pint a puff?
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That game summed everything up for me!! At times we look great at others woeful!!
All of us can see the same things! We need a strong midfielder as Barry bannan must never play for us again! He is just hot enough when the chips are down he hides he adds abs nothing!!
The substitution of n zog was crazy he was the link man and doing Alot of good work today why take him off
The other must signing is a centre half baker off means Lowton to centr half he looked like a little boy lost!!
Positives return of vlarr n zog gabby Benteke Delph Westwood
Negatives bannan Holman Lowton
Lambert needs to stop being so naive as the 4 dropped points at Swansea and today will haunt us!
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Amen.
PWS are you going to let this go?
I'm assuming he was saying "amen" to leaving it there.
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You all talk a good fight.
Did you call my pint a puff?
Did you spill my lass? Are you looking at my pint?
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
Is that episode on today?
My nephew? The boy always was a disappointment.
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I was.
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
I expected WB to come back 2nd half. Everybody did. What happens at half time in the Villa dressing-room?
CNZ came off for a change in tactics which didn't work but could have done.
Lichaj had his best match for ages.
Not the best time for Holman or Bannan but they have been better and we don't know their instructions!
What does happen in the Villa dressing room at half time?!
(PS if this ever gets posted - issues with the website disappearing - I would like to bet on Damon.)
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There ought to be a mod amnesty for an hour on the post match thread after every game where we can vent our spleens and have a right go at each other
It would be fuckin brill
Throws a pie.
Come at me bro!
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
Is that episode on today?
My nephew? The boy always was a disappointment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/19/the-wire-star-robert-f-chew-proposition-joe-dead-52_n_2509716.html
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
holy shit he's actually dead? that's creepy... I only saw him being killed by Chris Partlow the first time last week. heart attack or stroke... or murdered again?
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
aye. he's been bollocks for ages now and seems to have escaped a lot of flak for some reason. I hope this return to form isnot just because of who we were playing - he owes us some performances from now till May.
He's a striker, and he played up front today. It's not really a surprise he played better than he does when he's out wide.
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
holy shit he's actually dead? that's creepy... I only saw him being killed by Chris Partlow the first time last week. heart attack or stroke... or murdered again?
http://theurbandaily.com/2038182/the-wire-actor-robert-f-chew-dead/
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Amen.
PWS are you going to let this go?
I'm assuming he was saying "amen" to leaving it there.
Still having a go and getting away with it nevermind.
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
aye. he's been bollocks for ages now and seems to have escaped a lot of flak for some reason. I hope this return to form isnot just because of who we were playing - he owes us some performances from now till May.
He's a striker, and he played up front today. It's not really a surprise he played better than he does when he's out wide.
I agree, but to be fair it's the most interested and hungry he's looked for a while. He should be up for it regardless of where he plays.
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Amen.
PWS are you going to let this go?
I'm assuming he was saying "amen" to leaving it there.
Still having a go and getting away with it nevermind.
How is agreeing with leaving it having a go?
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You all talk a good fight.
Did you call my pint a puff?
You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself.
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
aye. he's been bollocks for ages now and seems to have escaped a lot of flak for some reason. I hope this return to form isnot just because of who we were playing - he owes us some performances from now till May.
He's a striker, and he played up front today. It's not really a surprise he played better than he does when he's out wide.
mebbe but he's been pretty piss poor since MON left so its not just lambert's fault.
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
I expected WB to come back 2nd half. Everybody did. What happens at half time in the Villa dressing-room?
CNZ came off for a change in tactics which didn't work but could have done.
Lichaj had his best match for ages.
Not the best time for Holman or Bannan but they have been better and we don't know their instructions!
What does happen in the Villa dressing room at half time?!
(PS if this ever gets posted - issues with the website disappearing - I would like to bet on Damon.)
Am sure Holman and Bannan werent told to go out with instructions to be shite lol
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If he was agreeing he would of said agreed.You say Amen when you are taking the piss.
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Gutting not to win, obviously but it does feel for the first time in some weeks that there were at least reasons for encouragement. Vlaar back, Gabby/N'Zogbia/Benteke looked dangerous and I though Delph was decent overall. That formation too, with the right personnel could be the one for us.
Thats the big 'if' though. We desperately need a couple of commanding figures in the middle to help us, to close games out and take charge. Without them I fear the worst. But we all know that and like everyone else, I'm sick of bloody talking about it.
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If he was agreeing he would of said agreed.You say Amen when you are taking the piss.
My last word on this, I agree that we got a bit silly with the quotes and that we should have left it there. That is why I put amen.
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its not that surprising how's he's died. I really liked him as a character in The Wire. Such a shame. rip...
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They're doing my head in on Facebook please supply ammo, biggest team in midlands on one hand or plucky small club on other grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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We need to work harder on defending corners. We need to work harder on keeping 2 goal leads.
We just need another midfielder. Bannan just isnt cutting the mustard. it's just such a shame how we can't see games out, Barry Bannan is not a player I want on when we're trying to hold onto lead. It's really unfortunate that Delph and N'Zogbia had to be substituted, I think we could of held on if both were playing.
Benteke has been at fault for goals conceded st corners. Not all, but more than his fair share.
Which reinforces my belief it would be better to leave him on the half way line,taking two defenders out of our box .
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
Is that episode on today?
My nephew? The boy always was a disappointment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/19/the-wire-star-robert-f-chew-proposition-joe-dead-52_n_2509716.html
Awful news, that's ruined the day :(
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If he was agreeing he would of said agreed.You say Amen when you are taking the piss.
My last word on this, I agree that we got a bit silly with the quotes and that we should have left it there. That is why I put amen.
Agreed.I was a bit spikey it's been one of those days.Amen brother.
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Oh yes, and Villa oblige another player who hasn't scored for a Geological epoch.
Does that happen a lot or is it a figment of my imagination?
Players often seem to score their first goal against us too.
Jamie Carragher and Phil Jones spring to mind.
Andy Cole, Forlan...
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We need to work harder on defending corners. We need to work harder on keeping 2 goal leads.
We just need another midfielder. Bannan just isnt cutting the mustard. it's just such a shame how we can't see games out, Barry Bannan is not a player I want on when we're trying to hold onto lead. It's really unfortunate that Delph and N'Zogbia had to be substituted, I think we could of held on if both were playing.
Benteke has been at fault for goals conceded st corners. Not all, but more than his fair share.
Which reinforces my belief it would be better to leave him on the half way line,taking two defenders out of our box .
Or just stick Benteke at the front post.
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
I expected WB to come back 2nd half. Everybody did. What happens at half time in the Villa dressing-room?
CNZ came off for a change in tactics which didn't work but could have done.
Lichaj had his best match for ages.
Not the best time for Holman or Bannan but they have been better and we don't know their instructions!
What does happen in the Villa dressing room at half time?!
(PS if this ever gets posted - issues with the website disappearing - I would like to bet on Damon.)
Am sure Holman and Bannan werent told to go out with instructions to be shite lol
Thanks best laugh today!
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Oh yes, and Villa oblige another player who hasn't scored for a Geological epoch.
Does that happen a lot or is it a figment of my imagination?
Players often seem to score their first goal against us too.
Jamie Carragher and Phil Jones spring to mind.
Andy Cole, Forlan...
Forlans was his only goal wasn't it?!?
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Even though we played really well 1st half just knew we was not going to win with recent results being the way they have been all in all a good result overall if not with a slight bit of dissapointment, special mentions to Delph, benteke, and Guzan if we play like that against Bradford we will be fine
As for the prem well it's scary shit..
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I'm so relieved we didn't lose I'm not half as angry as everyone else here we threw away a 2 goal lead.
I imagine you are more concerned about your death today.
Is that episode on today?
My nephew? The boy always was a disappointment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/19/the-wire-star-robert-f-chew-proposition-joe-dead-52_n_2509716.html
Awful news, that's ruined the day :(
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
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Good to see Gabby on form. Benteke is very good, but not the finished article - drifts out at times. Shame Delph went off - he looks good, losing him and only having Bannan (too lightweight) to replace him was what led to us being under the cosh - even wonder if Holman would have been a better replacement? Lowton and Lichaj are very poor defensively. Didn't look like winning a tackle all game. Hopefully something to build on, but relegation still stares ominously at us.
Good to see Vlaar back. We've missed someone of his stature at the back.
The set up reminded me of a Gregory formation. Westwood and Delph as Taylor (Westwood obviously isn't a patch on Taylor) and Boateng, NZog in the Merse role, Benteke as Dublin and Gabby as Joachim/Vassell. Just a shame we didn't have Delaney and Wright quality on the wings.....
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First half I thought Gabby looked as good as I've seen him for a while.
aye. he's been bollocks for ages now and seems to have escaped a lot of flak for some reason. I hope this return to form isnot just because of who we were playing - he owes us some performances from now till May.
He's a striker, and he played up front today. It's not really a surprise he played better than he does when he's out wide.
Stop talking sense, you big, ugly, drama queen.
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
I'm not disagreeing with the idea, but if he still wanted a role in football, wouldn't he be at Sunderland?
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
I'm not disagreeing with the idea, but if he still wanted a role in football, wouldn't he be at Sunderland?
a role in football not hoofball.
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Dunno, as a Midlands-based bloke I thought I heard relocation was an issue with him?
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
I expected WB to come back 2nd half. Everybody did. What happens at half time in the Villa dressing-room?
CNZ came off for a change in tactics which didn't work but could have done.
Lichaj had his best match for ages.
Not the best time for Holman or Bannan but they have been better and we don't know their instructions!
What does happen in the Villa dressing room at half time?!
(PS if this ever gets posted - issues with the website disappearing - I would like to bet on Damon.)
Am sure Holman and Bannan werent told to go out with instructions to be shite lol
Thanks best laugh today!
Lets hope Delph is fit for Tuesday or we may have to start with them as Westwood cup-tied
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
I'm not disagreeing with the idea, but if he still wanted a role in football, wouldn't he be at Sunderland?
The same John Robertson that couldn't teach Young or Downing to cross a ball? The Sunderland fans think his absence is the reason they play hoof ball...
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
I'm not disagreeing with the idea, but if he still wanted a role in football, wouldn't he be at Sunderland?
The same John Robertson that couldn't teach Young or Downing to cross a ball? The Sunderland fans think his absence is the reason they play hoof ball...
If their crossing was that bad, would we really have got the thick end of £38 million for them?
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Quote from: Witton Warrior on Today at 08:10:34 PM
What happened during the 8th minute btw
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There was a bit of a ripple that died after about 20 seconds.
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I'm disappointed with our second half performance I really thought we were going to beat them but I'll take a point.
Let's see if Damon agrees with you?
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Just got back. Fully expected West Brom to come back after that first half. Charles over dribbled into their penalty area and then they went up the far end and scored. Couldnt see it but others said Benteke lost his man for their second.
Agbonlahors best game for two seasons but he had two chances in the second half which could have sealed it for us.
Dont know why N'Zogbia came off. Equally I dont know why Holman and Bannan came on they didnt improve the team.
Lihaj is just not a top class player in any position.
I think a point was the limits of our expectations and we deserved it for Bentekes first half performance.
I expected WB to come back 2nd half. Everybody did. What happens at half time in the Villa dressing-room?
CNZ came off for a change in tactics which didn't work but could have done.
Lichaj had his best match for ages.
Not the best time for Holman or Bannan but they have been better and we don't know their instructions!
What does happen in the Villa dressing room at half time?!
(PS if this ever gets posted - issues with the website disappearing - I would like to bet on Damon.)
Am sure Holman and Bannan werent told to go out with instructions to be shite lol
Thanks best laugh today!
Lets hope Delph is fit for Tuesday or we may have to start with them as Westwood cup-tied
Delph good tonight. Fingers crossed. Holman has had his moments so a combination may work well. Can't believe that he was that bad tonight, he has usually got stuck in. (Didn't see it, listening on radio.) Think the missed chance(s) to go 3-0 were probably the difference when they got one back and I imagine Baker getting injured and so early in the game didn't help the plan, either.
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Can we keep the quotathons down a bit please? :)
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Their second came from Benteke slipping over, Nzogbia got a hard knock just before half time,looked nasty in slow motion and i suspect sl;owed him down.Differing from most i thought we played better than we have for a while, Ron made a difference even though he looked knackered, we badly need strengthening midfield, Bannon should be sold just not big or good enough.
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LouzieO, Delph was a big loss when he went off, not his biggest fan, but did well again this evening. When I saw Holman getting ready I said to mate hope he aint taking N'Zogbia off, but alas. he did. That early goal in the second half woke the crowd up, if we could have held on for 10 minutes they would have caved in. There again, if my aunt had bolloxs, she would be my uncle :(
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LouzieO, Delph was a big loss when he went off, not his biggest fan, but did well again this evening. When I saw Holman getting ready I said to mate hope he aint taking N'Zogbia off, but alas. he did. That early goal in the second half woke the crowd up, if we could have held on for 10 minutes they would have caved in. There again, if my aunt had bolloxs, she would be my uncle :(
Ha ha uncle
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Maybe send Bannan out on loan to the championship to toughen him up a bit, I'm sure McLeish would take him at Forest.
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Maybe send Bannan out on loan to the championship to toughen him up a bit, I'm sure McLeish would take him at Forest.
He would never see the ball if he went there
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CNZ is getting a lot of stick for his final ball from some, and while it is often an issue it seems a bit harsh on this occasion. He was credited with two assists tonight (the Benteke one is a bit of a stretch maybe) and he'd have had 3 if Lichaj had scored with the chance CNZ put on a plate for him. Criticism of Lichaj seems harsh too, he played pretty well today and even did the right thing in taking a yellow for the team when Albion broke away at 2-1.
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Horrible subs and that is squarely on Lambert. Why the heck, when down 2-1 and we are struggling a bit, does he put Barry Frickin' Bannan on?!?!? He adds absolutely nothing defensively! Once I saw that, I knew we were in trouble. Knew it well before that, actually, but that sealed it...
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That early goal in the second half woke the crowd up, if we could have held on for 10 minutes they would have caved in.
Agree, from what I heard of the commentary but it seemed that the Villa were under siege second half from the off.
I must admit to throwing something in the kitchen when that one went in.
Oh all right. It was a tea towel, but I really hurled it against the fridge. The air was blue.
There's a decorative bronze metal plate on the wall. I was saving that in case there was a next one and sure enough, it went crashing down the hall. It's so dented after this season it's frankly a miracle that I can still hang it up.
(Actually lost another plate to Bradford.)
I need Villa to win and stop conceding before I run out of things to throw and/or demolish the house.
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Horrible subs and that is squarely on Lambert. Why the heck, when down 2-1 and we are struggling a bit, does he put Barry Frickin' Bannan on?!?!? He adds absolutely nothing defensively! Once I saw that, I knew we were in trouble. Knew it well before that, actually, but that sealed it...
Who else could he have brought on, Delph was injured so he needed to replace him?
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That early goal in the second half woke the crowd up, if we could have held on for 10 minutes they would have caved in.
Agree, from what I heard of the commentary but it seemed that the Villa were under siege second half from the off.
I must admit to throwing something in the kitchen when that one went in.
Oh all right. It was a tea towel, but I really hurled it against the fridge. The air was blue.
There's a decorative bronze metal plate on the wall. I was saving that in case there was a next one and sure enough, it went crashing down the hall. It's so dented after this season it's frankly a miracle that I can still hang it up.
(Actually lost another plate to Bradford.)
I need Villa to win and stop conceding before I run out of things to throw and/or demolish the house.
Tie your hands up on Tuesday then
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Horrible subs and that is squarely on Lambert. Why the heck, when down 2-1 and we are struggling a bit, does he put Barry Frickin' Bannan on?!?!? He adds absolutely nothing defensively! Once I saw that, I knew we were in trouble. Knew it well before that, actually, but that sealed it...
Bannan is just not good enough for the Premier League and Holman's out of form. They were the two players on the bench who should never have come on.
Ireland should have come on for Delph and, assuming that Zog was injured (and if he wasn't, why the feck was he being taken off?), Bowery could have come on to help hold the ball up and provide a bit more of a physical presence.
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The only bad sub was Holman on. Bannan coming on for an injured Delph makes sense.
Holman, normally, atleast covers a lot of ground and causes trouble for the other team when they have the ball. Today however he looked slow and not interested. He had two terrible shots, and didn't do much else. Hindsight, coulda brought Ireland on. Who could have used the ball better and probably worked just as hard.
We definitely need to get a couple of players in. Midfielder, a tough tackler. Maybe bolster the defence too if we can.
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Delph was excellent and bossing tbose Mickey Moise wankers.
If Gabby had slotted in the third just before half time. Very annoying to throw it away like that, but a point is a good result away from home.
Time to back it up at home.
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Just back.
Gutted.
Both subs were shite - Holman went straight off at whistle - knew he had a mare or couldn't give a f**k? His "high energy" approach just wasn't there. Bannan was awful. Pleased to see Westwood taking corners... until Bannan came on and wasted the "threat".
From what I could see Olson had completely free header for the second we conceded.
Bradford must have watched and smiled! Why can't we defend set pieces - problem for a few seasons now!
Great first half - let them come at us too easily in second.
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yes Delph was good tonight. really showing some form in last few games.
benteke was immense first half.
again once we concede we go to pieces. need a leader to calm it down. lucky to tAke a point after the second half performance
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Ah, yeah. That was the worst thing about Bannan coming on, his corners. Floaty and overhit.
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My issue with subs was that Gabby was wasted after 60 mins and possibly part responsible for their dominance in the second half. He should have gone off instead of N'Zogbia. Gabby was brilliant in the first half however in the second half he kept losing the ball, falling over and not able to make runs that would pocketed us a third goal. Delph was also a loss but he was limping towards the end of first half.
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Horrible subs and that is squarely on Lambert. Why the heck, when down 2-1 and we are struggling a bit, does he put Barry Frickin' Bannan on?!?!? He adds absolutely nothing defensively! Once I saw that, I knew we were in trouble. Knew it well before that, actually, but that sealed it...
We weren't 2-1 down but I know what you mean. Surely Bent was the man, not Holman who missed a glorious chance to make it 3-1 and finish them off, or Bowery who would have run at them and caused physical damage and generally kept the ball at their end. Lambert's subs were defensive at a time when we needed to attack and seal the game. No better than McLeish!
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This season since the demise of VS I have had limited access to watching our Villa live. I have been limited to listening to us on the wireless and to you good people keeping me informed on match threads. I was lucky enough to get to the pub tonight and watching the match in HD live. Having endured the results of the past 4 weeks I have to say that this team will NOT be going down.
We will smash Bradford on Tuesday.
I wish I could be at Villa Park on Tuesday. It will be an absolute cracking game.
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My issue with subs was that Gabby was wasted after 60 mins and possibly part responsible for their dominance in the second half. He should have gone off instead of N'Zogbia. Gabby was brilliant in the first half however in the second half he kept losing the ball, falling over and not able to make runs that would pocketed us a third goal. Delph was also a loss but he was limping towards the end of first half.
Gabby and Benteke were totally isolated in the second half
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I need Villa to win and stop conceding before I run out of things to throw and/or demolish the house.
Barnstoneworth, Barnstoneworth, Barnstoneworth
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My issue with subs was that Gabby was wasted after 60 mins and possibly part responsible for their dominance in the second half. He should have gone off instead of N'Zogbia. Gabby was brilliant in the first half however in the second half he kept losing the ball, falling over and not able to make runs that would pocketed us a third goal. Delph was also a loss but he was limping towards the end of first half.
Agreed.
Gabby was a massive threat to them in the 1st half and a lumbering galoot in the 2nd.
We made them work hard in first half and held the ball up and put them under pressure - in the second we wasted possession (again!) and gave them far too much time and space on the ball - almost inviting them on to our defence with the midfield nowhere to be seen.
Thought Delph was fab! ;-)
Hope he's ok for Tuesday.
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This season since the demise of VS I have had limited access to watching our Villa live. I have been limited to listening to us on the wireless and to you good people keeping me informed on match threads. I was lucky enough to get to the pub tonight and watching the match in HD live. Having endured the results of the past 4 weeks I have to say that this team will NOT be going down.
Cheers Tony I am with you. The first half was the best I have seen us play for a long while. Team was bright and correct and the front 3 absolutely terrorised them. Albion fans around me were dumbfounded at what they were seeing. This was similar to the last 20 mins against Southampton and if we play like that in most of the matches most of the time we will be alright.
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For what it's worth Weimann and Benteke would be my first choice forward line.
It's worth very little given it's a statement of the bleedin obvious! For what it's worth, I wouldn't have Bannan in the country never mind in the squad
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So our fans join in their minute's applause before the game and then they mock the 19th minute.... just proves who has the class - as bad a s Small Time Small Heath.... Albion - that is why you will never be a great club - shame.
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Disappointing to only get a point after a good first half. We looked very good going forward but wasted chances and good positions that eventually cost us two points. We coped well after losing Baker and I thought Eric had a reasonable game, although he has to learn that if he pushes right up the pitch when we have possession, he has to race to get back when we lose the ball.
The turning point was losing Delph to injury and Lambert having very limited choices of players to bring on. Bannan was just about the only player he could bring on and he is so lacking in confidence at the moment. His size is also a problem and I pointed out to my son during the game that the long striding WBA players simply lost him with a simple push of the ball to the side of him as he is not tall enough to slide in on them.
First goal was simply that we could not get players out to the edge of the box quick enough. This is not just a current problem but it has been one we have had for years. The second was basically that we do not have enough players with a physical presence in the air. Our midfield and wing backs are too small and lightweight to get up and challenge. Vlaar, Clark and Benteke are not enough in todays football.
I do not know how bad Baker's injury was but it looked like a pulled hamstring. So having got Vlaar back, we are now back to only two central defenders. I have always liked Clark as a player but he is struggling at the moment and when he struggles I get worried that he is going to get himself sent off, so putting pressure on an already wafer thin squad.
You could see that CNZ was drifting out of the game but I said at the time that I thought the substitution was 10 minutes too early. For me, Holman does next to nothing in a game now and he has been like this for the last 2 to 3 months, except for an odd moment or two. For a key position and in an area of the pitch where we need everybody to give everything, he is not good enough.
I was pleased to see Bennett have a good game as I really think he will be a good player with a bit more experience. Vlaar certainly added something today and Westwood played well when he had Delph alongside him. Today was probably the best I have seen Delph play and Benteke had one of those games when he looks top class. Gabby and CNZ both decided to put something into todays game and it showed that we can be very good going forward. The change in formation up front worked and the manager should be given credit for this (but this does not seem to be fashionable now). Although playing well, they were both guilty of giving away good opportunities in failing to see players in great positions or taking to long to shoot.
All in all, although disappointed, I will take a point from tonights game.
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Just a quick point. Admittedly a repeated one- I'd love to see John Robertson brought back in as a specialist coach to work with the wingers.
Especially N'Zogbia.
At the minute he's like a man with a twelve inch cock and premature ejaculation. (N'Zogbia that is - not John Robertson)
I'm not disagreeing with the idea, but if he still wanted a role in football, wouldn't he be at Sunderland?
The same John Robertson that couldn't teach Young or Downing to cross a ball? The Sunderland fans think his absence is the reason they play hoof ball...
If their crossing was that bad, would we really have got the thick end of £38 million for them?
All hail King Kenny. To say he paid over the odds for a player that has a great knack of failing to beat the first man is putting it mildly. Ashey had his moments, as did Albrigton but to heap praise on Robertson is as off target as one of Downings crosses (should he get passed the first man).
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So our fans join in their minute's applause before the game and then they mock the 19th minute.... just proves who has the class - as bad a s Small Time Small Heath.... Albion - that is why you will never be a great club - shame.
Well said, they will never be a big club, let alone a great club
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Horrible subs and that is squarely on Lambert. Why the heck, when down 2-1 and we are struggling a bit, does he put Barry Frickin' Bannan on?!?!? He adds absolutely nothing defensively! Once I saw that, I knew we were in trouble. Knew it well before that, actually, but that sealed it...
Did you not see that Delph had to be replaced. So we are now into blaming the manager for players getting injured as well. If Lerner would give the manager some money to bring in a midfield player or two, he would not have to bring on 'Barry Frickin' Bannan'.
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Just back from the Tesco bags
Thought we were the best I have seen all season first half
Delph MOM for me - how bad is the injury?
Nzog best I have seen him - did not agree with taking him off
Sat with friends from work in the Albion Directors box. My 11 year old son Ben experienced his first away game and I had to stop him singing yippie i eie (hand over mouth) with the fantastic away support 8)
I would have taken a point before the kick off.
Need more backup
Randy either shit or get off the pot
Sorry bit pissed 8)
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Charles is a real talent, a real, real talent,” said Lambert, who was forced to shuffle the team around when Nathan Baker and Fabian Delph limped off at the start of each half.
“He goes past people as if they’re not there at times. I would like to see him shoot because he has the ability to do it. In the first-half he was excellent.
“I took him off. He wasn’t injured. He’s back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him. We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too.”
A mistake imo, lost all impetus with this and invited pressure.
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A point is a point and we can't be turning down a point away from home. Yes we conceded two in the second half but I was happy to see some passion from the lads and some passion from the manager. UTV.
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I need Villa to win and stop conceding before I run out of things to throw and/or demolish the house.
Barnstoneworth, Barnstoneworth, Barnstoneworth
Had forgotten Golden Gordon! And 8-1(checking) it's a sign.
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This season since the demise of VS I have had limited access to watching our Villa live. I have been limited to listening to us on the wireless and to you good people keeping me informed on match threads. I was lucky enough to get to the pub tonight and watching the match in HD live. Having endured the results of the past 4 weeks I have to say that this team will NOT be going down.
Cheers Tony I am with you. The first half was the best I have seen us play for a long while. Team was bright and correct and the front 3 absolutely terrorised them. Albion fans around me were dumbfounded at what they were seeing. This was similar to the last 20 mins against Southampton and if we play like that in most of the matches most of the time we will be alright.
There was a couple of very very vocal Baggies in the pub tonight I have NEVER met any baggies fans in 17 years of moving to Bristol. They were so cocky. "You are going down" was there continuos mantra. After they composed themselves after the equaliser I turned round and said "that's your FA cup final for this season". They then looked like a couple of scoulded kids and left.
We are BACK.
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As an aside, was reading an article from Bradford's ticket office and saw this:
“And since we beat Villa 3-1, I’ve had around 100 calls from West Brom fans saying they’ll give them the run-around in the league game at the weekend, as well as offering advice!"
SAD TWATS!
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Dunne and Vlaar will make a difference. Gabby,Benteke, Weiman and Bent will score, we just have to keep clean sheets.
Feeling better about us tonight. New signings will be a bonus, but we still have enough as it is.
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Charles is a real talent, a real, real talent,” said Lambert, who was forced to shuffle the team around when Nathan Baker and Fabian Delph limped off at the start of each half.
“He goes past people as if they’re not there at times. I would like to see him shoot because he has the ability to do it. In the first-half he was excellent.
“I took him off. He wasn’t injured. He’s back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him. We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too.”
A mistake imo, lost all impetus with this and invited pressure.
Well i think we were on the back foot before he went off, but even so if he'd had stayed on and picked up an bad injury we'd be even more stetched for bodies. Difficult decision and i'm guessing lambert has a better idea of how fit he is
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From what I could see Olson had completely free header for the second we conceded.
He wrestled Benteke to the ground before finding himself in acres of space. I'm sure if it had been the other way round, the ref would have given them a penalty as he gave us next to nothing tonight.
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As an aside, was reading an article from Bradford's ticket office and saw this:
“And since we beat Villa 3-1, I’ve had around 100 calls from West Brom fans saying they’ll give them the run-around in the league game at the weekend, as well as offering advice!"
SAD TWATS!
Fair play to the little lads for doing well but Bradford aren't half showing themselves up.
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For what it's worth Weimann and Benteke would be my first choice forward line.
It's worth very little given it's a statement of the bleedin obvious! For what it's worth, I wouldn't have Bannan in the country never mind in the squad
In the context of the discussion I was having at the time it was my way of saying I still rate Benteke highly.
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Nice to see Sid mingling with the masses in the away end before the game
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I have had it with that lot, Lambert's subs cost us the game.
what two players coming off due to injury and one having been out for weeks coming off to avoid injury? What would you have done differently?
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Ah, yeah. That was the worst thing about Bannan coming on, his corners. Floaty and overhit.
Apart from his corners he hardly touched the ball. Very disappointing performance but then the midfield didn't really exist.
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Charles is a real talent, a real, real talent,” said Lambert, who was forced to shuffle the team around when Nathan Baker and Fabian Delph limped off at the start of each half.
“He goes past people as if they’re not there at times. I would like to see him shoot because he has the ability to do it. In the first-half he was excellent.
“I took him off. He wasn’t injured. He’s back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him. We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too.”
A mistake imo, lost all impetus with this and invited pressure.
Well i think we were on the back foot before he went off, but even so if he'd had stayed on and picked up an bad injury we'd be even more stetched for bodies. Difficult decision and i'm guessing lambert has a better idea of how fit he is
Good point greg.
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So our fans join in their minute's applause before the game and then they mock the 19th minute.... just proves who has the class - as bad a s Small Time Small Heath.... Albion - that is why you will never be a great club - shame.
At the end of the day, their fans are just fucking stupid. They think that by clapping they're applauding a Villa player, rather than a footballer who has cancer.
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Can't see how gabby could be any fitter given they've missed similar amounts of football. All hypothetical now anyway.
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I still feel positive overall, because we've been so bad recently. That first half performance was the best I've seen us in ages. Frankly, I can think of few occasions we looked that good under MON (or at least in the latter half of his reign).
Guzan - 8, though a mistake for the goal
Vlaar 7 - good to have him back. Certainly compared to Herd playing there.
Clark 6 - ok, but I think he's gonna give away a penalty soon
Lowton - 6 good on the ball, struggled a bit at centre back
Lichaj - 6. Did ok. Fundamentally not good enough though
Bennet - 7. That's more like it. He's got good quick feet and more bravery and determination today.
Westwood - 7. Competed well. Very high quality distribution as usual
Delph 8. I think that's the best I've seen him play. I thought he was excellent. Dynamic. 94% pass completion. Combative. Really hope he's not out long
N'Zogbia 9. Definitely the best he's played for us. I thought he was like a man possessed. More of that please Charles. I think he's going to be absolutely key for us for the remainder of the season.
Gabby 8. Back to his best first half.
Benteke 8. Completely unplayable at times
Overall, I was left feeling that if only we had a fairly bog standard, experienced, physically strong set of centre backs and midfield we'd be absolutely fine.
Surely to goodness some combination of Benteke, Weimann, CNZ, Bent and Gabby should see us score enough goals. Playing to their potential, there isn't a team in the bottom half that has that level of quality.
But Bannan and Holman were big let downs today. A bit worried about who on earth plays there v Bradford if Delph is out (and Westwood cup tied). I wonder if we'll get the lad from Charlton. I think he scored a bit of a wonder goal today.
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I thought the N'Zogbia sub was right personally but he made it far far too early. Around the 75-80 minute mark would have been better.
Delph was great until he went off and that's when the game seemed to start to slip away from us. What we needed was an experienced holding midfielder to come on in his place, not Bannan. Thought we were great first half though and i hope that gives us confidence going into the next few games. We really did play some good stuff.
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So our fans join in their minute's applause before the game and then they mock the 19th minute.... just proves who has the class - as bad a s Small Time Small Heath.... Albion - that is why you will never be a great club - shame.
Watching the TV, I couldn't hear our fans applauding over their lot booing. Booing a tribute to a very sick man, like you say, after our fans had joined in with their minutes applause. Petty, spiteful, bitter ******. So gutted we didn't beat them.
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By the way Gabby was great.
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From what I could see Olson had completely free header for the second we conceded.
He wrestled Benteke to the ground before finding himself in acres of space. I'm sure if it had been the other way round, the ref would have given them a penalty as he gave us next to nothing tonight.
Much as I suspected. Olson completely wrapped his arms round Benteke at another corner. Lukaku was pulling two players' shirts at one of their corners in the 1st half. If I can see it from the stand why can't the officials? Players don't even seem to disguise it!It's obvious!
I can only assume there is some kind of secret directive to refs to ignore shirt-tugging, pulling and pushing at corners because it's a bit contentious.
F***in cowards!!! And lets the cheats - especially Olson - get away with cheating game after game.
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In the end we hung on to a point which was positive and keeps us above the line, ok so we should have been 3 up at the break but as soon as the first albion goal went in so early I feared a defeat was on the cards which would have been harsh they didn't deserve a point let alone 3 - loads of good performances particularly Ron Vlaar, Bennett, Delph, NZogbia, Benteke and Gabby in the first half.
The first 45 minutes were as good as any I have seen from Villa for a long time if we can steam into Bradford and Newcastle like that we'll be ok.
What about that prick lobbing snowballs at Joe Bennett? They really are a tedious bunch, great performance by our lot really put them back in their box. Based on todays evidence I wouldn't rule out the possibility of finishing above them, absolute garbage and to think it wan't long ago they were starting to talk about finishing in the top 6.
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I was right, that cheating ****** Brunt blocked off Lowton right in front of the ref in the build up to the first goal.
Probert was useless, the jug eared twat.
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We have to sign an experienced defender.
When we concede it's like a switch is flipped and any control we have in the game evaporates. As good as the first half was, it was not enough and as soon as we conceded we immediately struggled and the defence was a mess.
It cannot continue any longer.
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Benteke's goal went at 68mph according to MotD. Impressive!
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I'd be more than happy with 3/4 defenders coming in.
Guzan -who has done well this season- had a mare for the 2nd. A soft corner to concede, particularly with our well documented problems from set pieces.
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I like the way BBC commentator dubbing on commentary post match sounds ever so wise!
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From what I could see Olson had completely free header for the second we conceded.
He wrestled Benteke to the ground before finding himself in acres of space. I'm sure if it had been the other way round, the ref would have given them a penalty as he gave us next to nothing tonight.
Much as I suspected. Olson completely wrapped his arms round Benteke at another corner. Lukaku was pulling two players' shirts at one of their corners in the 1st half. If I can see it from the stand why can't the officials? Players don't even seem to disguise it!It's obvious!
I can only assume there is some kind of secret directive to refs to ignore shirt-tugging, pulling and pushing at corners because it's a bit contentious.
F***in cowards!!! And lets the cheats - especially Olson - get away with cheating game after game.
Sorry. Just seen it on MOTD. It was McCauley who shoves Benteke to the ground for the second goal. Perhaps the ref was so focussed on letting Olson get away with murder he missed the blatant push by McCauley.
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I was right, that cheating c*** Brunt blocked off Lowton right in front of the ref in the build up to the first goal.
Probert was useless, the jug eared twat.
However if Lowton had got on with his job rather that barging him and having a word Lukaku wouldn't have had all the time in the world to lay off the ball as he did.
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I was right, that cheating c*** Brunt blocked off Lowton right in front of the ref in the build up to the first goal.
Probert was useless, the jug eared twat.
Yep. Interesting that on MOTD commentator says ref had clocked it - then took no action!!!???
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I thought the N'Zogbia sub was right personally but he made it far far too early. Around the 75-80 minute mark would have been better.
Delph was great until he went off and that's when the game seemed to start to slip away from us. What we needed was an experienced holding midfielder to come on in his place, not Bannan. Thought we were great first half though and i hope that gives us confidence going into the next few games. We really did play some good stuff.
Very good points there. I had the same opinion regarding the timing of Charles going off. At least we now have people actually wanting him to stop on, because he looks interested. That pass to Gabby was sublime.
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Mods.
Please get the Bradford Pre match thread on!
Time for us ALL to get together!!!!!!0
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agreed with the general consensus that the timing of Nzogbia's subsitution was wrong. There was no need to make it after 66 mins. Lambert maybe showed his inexperience there. Arguably it was Gabby that was flagging more so at that stage of the game. Unfortunately the two subs brought on, Bannan and Holman were complete passengers. Bannan decent when he came on last time, anonymous this time around. No consistency with him.
First half was the best we have played in a very long time. We looked a top 6 side. Everyone looking to keep the ball, huge threat up top. Benteke's goal was unbelievable but it was the ease in which we got Gabby's which was so impressive. Lambert certainly got the team selection right. Not many would have given Nzogbia a chance after his performance against Southampton the week before. Hopefully that is the start of him becoming a good player for the club. Gabby too was like going back in time. Outstanding in the first hour. Between them both we should have scored the killer third, Gabby's effort when he put it straight at Foster was disappointing.
To be fair Clarke made decent changes. Thomas on the left improved matters as did Odemwingie moving up top. Lowton was exposed horribly in the second half I thought for his lack of physical strength. if ever a player needs a spell out of the side it is him. Vlaar was solid enough as was Clark I thought. Much better from Bennett though it was car crash defending from him near the end from Foster's goal kick. Delph put another decent performance and Westwood certainly impressed in the first half. Disappointed that he disappeared a bit after Delph went on. His lack of pace was exposed for the first goal. I was happy enough with Lichaj when he came on. Thought he was solid at right back while Guzan did well again. Benteke falling at the crucial moment for the second was incredibly disappointing. Thats becoming a habit with him defensively that needs to be ironed out asap.
Very disappointing to play that well in the first half but only pick up a point. Tuesday night is pretty crucial for us now from a momentum point of view. We need a physical presence in midfield in asap.
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Happy with a point, even in the context of us losing a two goal lead and definitely more positives than negatives to be taken from this one
Gabby, Vlaar, Benteke, Delph, Bennett and N'Zogbia were all big plusses
Two of our three substitutions were forced on us and I understand Lambert's thinking behind resting N'Zogbia but sadly neither Holman nor Bannan did anything of note (if I am being honest they were piss poor today)
We started the day in the bottom three and ended the day out of it; that at least is something to be thankful for given our current plight
Hope to see that first half replicated against Bradford on Tuesday
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So our fans join in their minute's applause before the game and then they mock the 19th minute.... just proves who has the class - as bad a s Small Time Small Heath.... Albion - that is why you will never be a great club - shame.
At the end of the day, their fans are just fucking stupid. They think that by clapping they're applauding a Villa player, rather than a footballer who has cancer.
Or to put it another way, a human-being suffering from a life threatening illness.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
Insanity rules ok. I'm with you there.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
I shouldn't like this but it did make me laugh.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
I shouldn't like this but it did make me laugh.
Again?
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in all of our frustrations, we arent far off. it is doing my head in how so close to being a really good team we are, if no one else can see that, i think i am giving up!
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A point more than I expected. A point in a derby against a better team than us. First half was excellent. Worse things happen.
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This is the level they've sunk to. Has anyone from Small Heath ever gone so low?
Alan @zoltan0371
@HRAVFC my dad has passed away. Your capt is next #fuck Stan 19
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Some deluded people out there. There'd be some of ours who'd be just as bad. Tracey Andrews?
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Some deluded people out there. There'd be some of ours who'd be just as bad. Tracey Andrews?
That was a handful and shouted down.
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Agreed. Each club has their scum element though - some just have more than others.
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Some deluded people out there. There'd be some of ours who'd be just as bad. Tracey Andrews?
That was a handful and shouted down.
Can we not find them,and name and shame. I don't know anybody who sings it.
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What pisses me off about the Albion in this regard is that they claim to be the nice, inoffensive club with lovely, friendly supporters. The last few weeks have shown that they've got an element who can sink lower than Small Heath.
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What pisses me off about the Albion in this regard is that they claim to be the nice, inoffensive club with lovely, friendly supporters. The last few weeks have shown that they've got an element who can sink lower than Small Heath.
Living on the border for 20 years they were always ******.
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They worshipped that wan**r who basically finished Alex Cropleys career, had thought he was useless before
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They worshipped that wan**r who basically finished Alex Cropleys career, had thought he was useless before
who do you think broke cropleys leg? i have a counter argument,
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I would be interested to know your counter argument as I was directly in line with the incident in lower trinity when the scottish twat did it
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I would be interested to know your counter argument as I was directly in line with the incident in lower trinity when the scottish twat did it
dont forget on this i am totally on alex cropleys side, i wasnt there, never seen the incident so i only have a judgement of what i have been told.
my dad has a drink with ally robertson(well knows who he is and exchanges slight pleasantries) everynow and the. robertson is in the wollaston area quite often with bob taylor. robertson says that he went in for the tackle but it was actually allistair brown who made the contact and did the damage,
can someone give an alternate view as if he is bullshitting i will go and berate the wanker! please
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I meant Ally Brown, not the centre half Robertson. The wanker is widely known as being the culprit
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I meant Ally Brown, not the centre half Robertson. The wanker is widely known as being the culprit
did both players go in for the ball? why was there confusion who did the deed?
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I have always been of the opinion that Ally Brown was the culprit. Robertson was a hard hard man, but he wasnt a player who would do a cowards challenge like Brown did. It was sickening hearing the crunch, obvious it was a bad injury. I have never heard anyone say they thought Robertson was to blame tbh
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It was Brown without a doubt. A disgraceful assault and he never even had the grace to contact Alex afterwards. Some things never change.
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The equaliser was a pisser. If Benteke slipped or let Olsson out-muscle him surely to fcuk we've learnt by now to leave the big man up front as the outball as he's as useful as a waterproof teabag when defending set-pieces. If it was a foul by Olsson I hate the twat even more. It was his dive that got Herd sent off and a penalty at the VP game last season.
For the first goal, Westwood was skinned far too easily for the cross that led to Lukaku's lay-off back for Brunt. An example of the clear lack of physical presence in our squad compared to most of our rivals.
Also, I thought Vlaar handled Lukaku pretty well compared to Clark who I was sure was going to give away a penalty through shirt-pulling. I would have made sure Vlaar stuck to Lukaku as much as possible. Concrete had the power and nous to get the the better of him but it was usually Clarke who was left dealing with Lukaku and as with all of the youngsters bar Benteke, they are found wanting in physical duels.
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I have always been of the opinion that Ally Brown was the culprit. Robertson was a hard hard man, but he wasnt a player who would do a cowards challenge like Brown did. It was sickening hearing the crunch, obvious it was a bad injury. I have never heard anyone say they thought Robertson was to blame tbh
thats what i find confusing, he said he had taken the blame for many years, i wondered wether the 2 players went in on cropley and one did the damage, or was robertson no where near?
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I dont recall him being near, maybe he took stick as fans got confused with the two of them cos of their forenames, not sure. Ally Brown was the culprit for sure, and didnt even get sent off, yet Villa went down to ten men cos only one sub in tose days and had already been used. Beat the barstards 3-0 though
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thanks for clearing it all up, maybe wont be harsh on him when i get to meet him.
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It's always been Brown who was guilty. I was at the match although I was only very young so don't remember seeing the tackle but I for some reason remember the noise of it. My dad brought me up to hate Ally Brown after that.
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Robertson was nowhere near the incident.
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Their best season in donkeys' years, our worst season in donkeys' years, and they still celebrate getting a draw against us at home.
I know who comes out of that looking small time.
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Their best season in donkeys' years, our worst season in donkeys' years, and they still celebrate getting a draw against us at home.
I know who comes out of that looking small time.
They couldn't win their cup final and their season's over in January.
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This is as good as it gets for them. And still I wouldn't swap.
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I still feel positive overall, because we've been so bad recently. That first half performance was the best I've seen us in ages. Frankly, I can think of few occasions we looked that good under MON (or at least in the latter half of his reign).
Guzan - 8, though a mistake for the goal
Vlaar 7 - good to have him back. Certainly compared to Herd playing there.
Clark 6 - ok, but I think he's gonna give away a penalty soon
Lowton - 6 good on the ball, struggled a bit at centre back
Lichaj - 6. Did ok. Fundamentally not good enough though
Bennet - 7. That's more like it. He's got good quick feet and more bravery and determination today.
Westwood - 7. Competed well. Very high quality distribution as usual
Delph 8. I think that's the best I've seen him play. I thought he was excellent. Dynamic. 94% pass completion. Combative. Really hope he's not out long
N'Zogbia 9. Definitely the best he's played for us. I thought he was like a man possessed. More of that please Charles. I think he's going to be absolutely key for us for the remainder of the season.
Gabby 8. Back to his best first half.
Benteke 8. Completely unplayable at times
Overall, I was left feeling that if only we had a fairly bog standard, experienced, physically strong set of centre backs and midfield we'd be absolutely fine.
Surely to goodness some combination of Benteke, Weimann, CNZ, Bent and Gabby should see us score enough goals. Playing to their potential, there isn't a team in the bottom half that has that level of quality.
But Bannan and Holman were big let downs today. A bit worried about who on earth plays there v Bradford if Delph is out (and Westwood cup tied). I wonder if we'll get the lad from Charlton. I think he scored a bit of a wonder goal today.
It seems that everybody except the management team can see the bleeding obvious!
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The way they were carrying on at the end and in the train station you would have thought they'd won a cup.
The Villa fans waiting at the Metro were showering them with snowballs. Childish, but amusing.
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Talking about their supporters I mentioned this briefly yesterday. I was sitting in the East stand in their so called posh seats with 4 other Villa fans. There was a group above us sitting in seats in front of their hospitality box. They gave us shit as we celebrated both goals. That's fair enough however they were absolutely horribly racist towards Benteke and N'Zogbia through out the game. It was stuff like "watch that nigger" "stop that fuckin monkey" and "get up you black ****" when Charles had studs planted in his shin at halfway line.
When you consider their history and th player mix in football these days, even ignoring decent human values, I would have thought they would be better than that.
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They are a nothing club with nothing fans
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For the first goal, Westwood was skinned far too easily for the cross that led to Lukaku's lay-off back for Brunt. An example of the clear lack of physical presence in our squad compared to most of our rivals.
True. But also a lack of experience. We miss some experienced players (Parker and Lescott?) who can encourage and tell the others what to do when we are under pression. In this situation we immediately panic, we keep throwing long balls and the opponents'goal it's only a qustion of time.
We also suffered when Delph came out as he was playing strangely well, one of the best performances with the claret and blue shirt for Fabian.
Being a fan of P.L. I am surprised and obviously disappointed for the total lack of any form of defensive organization.
It's quite clear that our midfield is too weak for the Premier League standards, even if in the 1st half this was hided for the (strangely) fine performance of Zog in the hole.
Even if we can score as we have quality upfront, we can't keep the result.
If we want to avoid relegation I thnk we need two experienced midfielders and one defender at least.
And I am disappointed by the total lack of any form of defensive organization. We have a lot of quality upfront, but our midfiled is too weak for the Premier League standards, even if in the 1st half this was hided for the strangely fine performance of Zog in the hole. If we want to avoid relegation I thnk we need two experienced midfielders and one defender at least.
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My cousin rang me last night.He watched it on Fox USA. He said they showed Steve Clarke with his eyes closed for about 10secs.He also said the Yanks described Bentekes goal as 'pretty'.
That made me laugh.
The Beeb showed minimal highlights. They didnt show the two chances Agbonlahor had in the second half one of which I thought from my position he should have converted . My mate took the opposite view.
As Newcastle have slid down the table to join the happy throng its everything to play for, not much in it up to Southampton.
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We can take a lot of confidence as well as a point from that.
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I reckon everybody up to Norwich is still at risk.
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Well its a point - we are out of relegation, for now. There was some excellent play in the first half. Nice to see N'Zogbia performing well alongside Delph, pity about Delph's injury and Lambert's need to rest N'Zogbia as we seemed to lose our fizz after that and the opposing team sensed it. I thought Albion took their goals well and attacked well in the latter part of the second half . It was always going to be a tough match.
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If only Lichaj had buried that chance.
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If only Lichaj had buried that chance.
Or pulled it back to Benteke.
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If only Lichaj had buried that chance.
Just after that chance, i turned to my mate and said 'i hope that don't come back to haunt us'. In the end it did. Looking at it again last night, he should have buried it.
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Well its a point - we are out of relegation, for now. There was some excellent play in the first half. Nice to see N'Zogbia performing well alongside Delph, pity about Delph's injury and Lambert's need to rest N'Zogbia as we seemed to lose our fizz after that and the opposing team sensed it. I thought Albion took their goals well and attacked well in the latter part of the second half . It was always going to be a tough match.
I wouldnt never have said this two weeks but keep Delph and Nzog fit and start them for each game and we have a chance of staying up and sell Holman to forest please.
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If only Lichaj had buried that chance.
Or pulled it back to Benteke.
or Gabby putting a simple ball to Charlie who was one on one with the goalie
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The worrying thing is that when we play badly we get stuffed, when we play well like yesterday we still dont win.
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The worrying thing is that when we play badly we get stuffed, when we play well like yesterday we still dont win.
The problem yesterday was we started the second half defending much deeper, inviting the Albion on to us. If we can translate the first half performance into a 90 minute performance, we will win more than we lose.
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We can take a lot of confidence as well as a point from that.
I'm afraid I don't agree. The players couldn't even take confidence from a half-time lead.
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I meant Ally Brown, not the centre half Robertson. The wanker is widely known as being the culprit
did both players go in for the ball? why was there confusion who did the deed?
If my memory serves me correct was it not Ally Robertson who did for Ray Graydon on
a night game at the hawthorns, he was never quite the same after that
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As an aside, did anyone notice that Smethwick twat in the crowd throwing snowballs at Joe Bennett whilst he waited to take a throw in? He missed everytime from about a yard away!
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My boss pointed out the other day that a point a game isn't likely to keep us up, and you have to admit it's likely to be the case. However, a few wins sprinkled in as the games run out make that a moot point. I'm not expecting us to tear up the league, just pick up enough points to keep our heads above water. That Newcastle game is vital - I'm glad it's at home, despite our apparent fear of playing there.
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As an aside, did anyone notice that Smethwick twat in the crowd throwing snowballs at Joe Bennett whilst he waited to take a throw in? He missed everytime from about a yard away!
A few photos showed up on Twitter of the guy.
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Also there was an half time Soccer AM type game where 4 or 5 chaps had to get the ball into the door of a pretend house. The choice of prize on offer should they do it was either £1,000 in cash or a house. Have a guess what everyone of them chose......
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Also there was an half time Soccer AM type game where 4 or 5 chaps had to get the ball into the door of a pretend house. The choice of prize on offer should they do it was either £1,000 in cash or a house. Have a guess what everyone of them chose......
Because you can buy a house in Smetwick for less than £1000, I'd imagine.
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
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As an aside, did anyone notice that Smethwick twat in the crowd throwing snowballs at Joe Bennett whilst he waited to take a throw in? He missed everytime from about a yard away!
A few photos showed up on Twitter of the guy.
I was more interested in the delightful individual who`s entire vocabulary seemed to consist of the word "Wanker, screamed at point blank range at any Villa player who went near the far touchline by his seat.
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I don't think N'Zogbia was injured (with that performance, I certainly hope not) - I just think having had a long lay-off, he's not 90 minute match fit yet. He had gone a little quiet the few minutes before he was taken off which is a sign of tiredness and if you keep a player on the pitch once they've tired, you risk them picking up an injury and being out again.
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I don't think N'Zogbia was injured (with that performance, I certainly hope now) - I just think having had a long lay-off, he's not 90 minute match fit yet. He had gone a little quiet the few minutes before he was taken off which is a sign of tiredness and if you keep a player on the pitch once they've tired, you risk them picking up an injury and being out again.
He got studded by Lukaku a cpl of minutes before going off and limped until leaving the field, more of a knock than an injury and yes I guess match fitness would of been considered by PL as well.
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I remember the incident now but didn't see him limping off. Hopefully he will be ok for Tuesday.
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Thought the Albion fans were a disgrace last night. All mouthy in the ground then running for the hills outside. Gobshite wankers.
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As an aside, did anyone notice that Smethwick twat in the crowd throwing snowballs at Joe Bennett whilst he waited to take a throw in? He missed everytime from about a yard away!
It's quite hard to throw something when you lack thumbs...
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
Lambert on N'Zogbia:
"He wasn't injured when I bought him off. He's back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him.
"We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too."
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
Lambert on N'Zogbia:
"He wasn't injured when I bought him off. He's back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him.
"We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too."
He certainly limped around before going off. Delph sounds than more than a knock :(
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
Lambert on N'Zogbia:
"He wasn't injured when I bought him off. He's back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him.
"We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too."
He certainly limped around before going off. Delph sounds than more than a knock :(
The proof of the pudding will be if he starts against Bradford.
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
Lambert on N'Zogbia:
"He wasn't injured when I bought him off. He's back from a long lay-off so you have to watch him.
"We have games coming up. We have to protect him. We lost Fabian to an injury and Nathan too."
He certainly limped around before going off. Delph sounds than more than a knock :(
The proof of the pudding will be if he starts against Bradford.
I hope he does! If we can keep him fit he could play an important role in the rest of the season judging on his current form.
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Not sure if it has been posted yet but anyone see the bloke trying to hit Bennett with a snowball?
(http://i.minus.com/ibiWFjuH26BuJR.gif)
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Can't you get banned for that?
If so he's bang to rights.
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He should be. If you can get into trouble for throwing a coin, I do not see the difference.
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Probably best not to ban him, otherwise the retarded fuckers will have a minutes applause for every future game, on the minute he did it.
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Oh come on, get a sense of humour. What a girl's throw!
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Maybe he can claim he wasn't aiming for Bennett at all. The bloke can't be more than a few yards away and he's got it well wide of the mark.
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Maybe he can claim he wasn't aiming for Bennett at all. The bloke can't be more than a few yards away and he's got it well wide of the mark.
It does come across as a bit half hearted.
Probably doing it to act 'the hard man'
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Oh come on, get a sense of humour. What a girl's throw!
dont ban him, make him do a re run at every match he goes to, and people can just laugh at his shit effort.
wouldnt get in my under 12's cricket team for sure!!
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Oh come on, get a sense of humour. What a girl's throw!
Yes and he manages to elbow the bloke sitting next him in the face!
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I thought it was a great game. Disappointed with a draw, but I would have taken it before the kick off.
There were some encouraging signs and I feel confident about the cup games and especially Newcastle who look as if they're going to be dragged back into the mix.
Zog looks good and we've got Bent to come back as well.
Staying up? Yes, I have to believe we can do it.
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He should be. If you can get into trouble for throwing a coin, I do not see the difference.
could be a coin in it
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He should be. If you can get into trouble for throwing a coin, I do not see the difference.
could be a coin in it
Or a rock, or anything.
Should be banned.
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He should be. If you can get into trouble for throwing a coin, I do not see the difference.
could be a coin in it
You expect them to throw money away? More probably a rock.
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Not sure if it has been posted yet but anyone see the bloke trying to hit Bennett with a snowball?
(http://i.minus.com/ibiWFjuH26BuJR.gif)
Christ, Emile Heskey had a better shot than him.
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Delph going off was a big hindrance to us. Didn't think i'd be saying that a month ago.
Same, I genuinely thought he was one of the worst players in the club's history until the last few games. To his huge credit he's started to look like a footballer. Apologies Fab!
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
I know it frustrates a few people when the manager says this but I must admit I have no problem with it at all. Win,lose or draw Lambert keeps a level head and a positive outlook - that's good management in my book.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
;D
Excellent.
Anyway, in terms of the match, we fucked it up again really didn't we, just not as badly as some other recent games. For years, we had outstanding defences and decent or better midfields and not much up front. Now we've got bags of talent up front and absolutely fuck all in defence and midfield. Maybe goes some way to the old saying of building successful teams from the back.
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Someone needs to tell Lambert that substitutions are discretionary and he doesn't have to make 3 every match.
So many time this season his obsession with 3 substitutions has resulted in us ending up up with a worse side than the one we started with and in my view it cost us at least a point at home to Man U and once Chas went off yesterday our chance of a win went with him.
Lichaj > Baker Injury
Bannan > Delph Injury
Holman > CNZ Injury
Should we keep 3 injured players on rather than using up our subs?
My point was really about what we've seem throughout the season which for me is a load of unnecessary substitutions which have hindered rather than helped.
With regard to yesterday as far as I know Chas wasn't injured and was our main threat, taking him off for Holman who was useless against Southampton just surrendered the initiative entirely to WBA.
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In my opinion, bringing Holman on for N'Zogbia was necessary because Bannan was nowhere near as good as Delph and weakened the defensive side of our game. N'Zogbia doesn't defend well either and Holman chases everything (I know he isn't fantastic but he tries more) so it made sense. It's clear we need depth in the central midfield area and if we'd had a better player we'd have done much better.
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In my opinion, bringing Holman on for N'Zogbia was necessary because Bannan was nowhere near as good as Delph and weakened the defensive side of our game. N'Zogbia doesn't defend well either and Holman chases everything (I know he isn't fantastic but he tries more) so it made sense. It's clear we need depth in the central midfield area and if we'd had a better player we'd have done much better.
KEA!
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I thought N'Zogbia was doing a good job on the defensive side to be honest, but accept the managers comment that he does not want to risk him too much when coming back from injury. Shame is Holman was intent on doing a cameo performance in honour of de la Cruz when he took over. Same when Delph went off, Bannan came on and was non existant
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KEA - All i would say about him is that i hope Morocco do really well in African Nations to keep him away from Villa Park for as long as possible.
Sorry dont rate him at all.
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It was nice to see Delph and Bennett play well yesterday, after day's reflection whilst it was disappointing to be pegged back we are at least out of the bottom three. Also if N'Zog can play like that, he'll be a proper player.
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Enjoyed the game. Was very much like an old fashioned FA Cup game.
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That competition at half time when they had to kick a ball at that board which looked like a house front. I've never seen people kick a ball so poorly. They couldn't hit a barn door.
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I reckon everybody up to Norwich is still at risk.
I see. You mean that MON is a Norwich legend, yes. But AML has nothing to do with the Norfolk club!
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Was absolutely gutted when we threw away two goals but it is a sign of a lack of belief throughout the team that we have to try and get all the boys behind the ball if we are up at half time.
Clark switched his team at half time and sent them out believing they could win and he was right, Lambert told his boys to hang on and they didn't. Villa cannot hang on to a lead this season unless we keep passing in midfield and creating chances, as soon as we decide to defend the opposition are just invited to have a free run at us with a goal an eventual inevitability.
We can stay up but only if the boys have some belief instilled in them which results in attacking football putting the opposition under pressure, every time they run at us we are weaker than a vegitarian weak thing that has had a 3 year course in how to be weak courtesy of messrs Houlier and McLiesh. Lambert is trying hard but his resources are so, so limited.
We either buy some steel in the next week or just stick our fastest forwards on (all of them) and try and go in 6 nil up at half time so we can start to win some games 6-5 with the odd draw. Some of the team are decent players going forward. Bannan is too flaky though I have seen a couple of decent performances from him this season.
I am really looking forward to Bradford tomorrow, we should try my tactic, first half attacking team and second period defensive team once we've scored our sixth. Randy might understand the tactics if we start this system, two squads who change over when the ball crosses the half way line, it might catch on along with Beyonce at half time, popcorn and silly hats, maybe those big hand things with slogans such as Go Villa!
We just need to be confident going forward and never go back, this long ball tactic when we start to panic to Benteke is getting too predicatble, again confidence!!!
I hear the future King is a Villa lad, perhaps we should give him a run on the wing on one of his horses, we can't cross a ball to save our skins or get to the byline at the moment so one out of two would be an improvement.
Ah well, we will beat Bradford 8-4 tomorrow, Newcastle 8-7 and West Ham as a 10-10 draw written all over it. Do you know what, we'd all settle for that right now. Bring it on - Up the Villa!
Two wins and a Draw and then we will all start to believe again.