Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on January 09, 2013, 08:22:21 AM
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As awful as we were last night and for most of the season it is not unotciable that when times are tough lady luck does tend to leave you
Last night we started like a train and but for wasteful finishing, yes you Benteke (anyone else feel that the more press he gets for goalscoring the more the inevitible "i want to play champs league" will surface) could have been comfortably 2/3 up. Then on almost thier first attack a crappy half arsed shot from outside the box deflects straight to a player to slot in. As crap as we were we still created loads of chances but everything either became half chances or straight at the keeper etc
Even at 2-1 down we then have the Bent chance and complain as much as we like about how he should have finished it you just know that if that was the other end it would have dropped perfectly for one of their players.
It also seems that almost every time a team gets a chance against us it falls perfectly for them
Maybe i am just clutching at strwas and we really are that shit but all season there has been not a lot of fortune for us - maybe TSM brought that curse with him from the dog shit the bastard
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Last night wasn't bad luck, they were better than we were where it mattered
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Luck has nothing to do with the awful defending for the second and third goals though
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Luck is not a factor in this shambles.
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Their goalie made some great saves its true, but only in the same way as Given or Guzan would have to do a world class performance for us to win at Man U for example.
As good as Benteke is or will be, he was relatively cheap and you get what you pay for. Van Persie probably would have got a hat trick last night but cost 4 times as much.
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We should have been out of sight if only a couple of the chances had been put away. It's seeming pretty obvious Weimann is our best taker of chances than the other forwards but he was playing wide early on. N'Zogbia spoilt much of his work because of his selfishness, shooting when a pass would have been a better option.
We have strikers who promise much but are inconsistent and lack of goals increases pressure on a dodgy defence as we saw all to clearly last night.
All is not lost, but Lambert and his coaches need to earn their corn.
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Their keeper had a blinder and yes we didn't get the rub of the green in the box. However, Bradford fully deserved their victory. The desire shown by their centre half for the third goal epitomised what they were about. For all of the praise Benteke has received this season he deserves fcuking for that third goal. I can only see us getting to the final if we score 4 or 5 in the second leg because I can't see this Villa side keeping a clean sheet. On the whole the team embarrassed the club last night and the only way to put that right is to show us on the pitch that it hurts them as much as it does us fans.
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Luck is not a factor in this shambles.
0-8, 0-4 and 0-3 isn't about luck! Just admit that we are utter rubbish!
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We should have scored five or six easily, but we didn't thanks to awful finishing. Couple that with abysmal defending and you will inveriably get beat.
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We had a bit of luck at Swansea when the kept hitting the woodwork. Whatever it is, I'm fucking sick of being let down.
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Their goalie made some great saves its true, but only in the same way as Given or Guzan would have to do a world class performance for us to win at Man U for example.
As good as Benteke is or will be, he was relatively cheap and you get what you pay for. Van Persie probably would have got a hat trick last night but cost 4 times as much.
Their goalkeeper didnt make any 'great saves' he made a few blocks with his body and legs. We couldnt defend and were wasteful with our chances. Benteke was totally responsible for their third goal.
However there was a great atmosphere and I believe we will win and win well at Villa Park.
I thought N'Zogbia played well but the our manager doesnt inspire confidence does he. Either verbally or with his non performance on the touchline.
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We should have scored five or six easily, but we didn't thanks to awful finishing
Exactly what we were saying last night. There's a difference between bad luck and bad finishing.
I'm not so sure that their 'keeper had a blinder at all. Most of our attempts were either straight at him, at a catchable height or were weak shots which he collected easily. If he'd have let any of those in he'd have been criticised.
Fucking rubbish, Villa
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In response to Hookeysmith injuries apart i think we have been pretty lucky on the pitch, should have been three down before we scored against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and have just watched the Swansea match again and except in patches they played us off the park, if we had won it would have been a minor miracle.
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Our luck with injuries has been appalling, just as a few players begin to return suddenly Holman and Herd are nowhere to be seen (I presume injured) and Bent goes off injured. Albrighton went off injured on Sat, Westwood in the previous match I think and we've been without Vlaar for a couple of months now and Petrov, Dunne and Gardner all season.
Luck on the pitch, I'm not sure, they were composed and clinical with their chances we snatched at ours, well done them.
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Luck isn't the issue, it's an appalling defence, midfield and having no character that is the problem.
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We have too many poor players, Delph not good enough, Bannen not good enough, Clark not good enough, Baker not good enough, Nzogbia not good enough and I could go on.
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I don't know. This seems to be the exact opposite of the Liverpool match. I was listening to a caller on Talksport this morning saying we should have been four down at Anfield in the first twenty minutes (and Norwich) and we were lucky to win. When the shoe's on the other foot and the opposition holdout against us it seems they are not "lucky" but we are still shit because we weren't good enough to score. We can't have it all ways.
If supporters think we are shit regardless of whether we win or lose it must be very hard for the players to motivate themselves. Do the team have character? Of course they do or we wouldn't be in the semis.
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But the likes of Swansea were unlucky not to score past us as they hit the woodwork 3 times or whatever, you cant get much closer to scoring, just an inch or so in it. Compare that to the pathetic header of Benteke last night, way off target from four yards, or his pathetic left foot pass back when put clean through, Bent's pathetic header well over with the goal gaping etc etc. We had about twenty efforts on goal, many from excellent positions, I dont think one was aimed in the corners of the goal forcing the keeper to extend himself to save them, they were either straight at him or wide/over.
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I thought about how luck plays a part over a season yesterday when I heard that Adebayor has decided to go to the ACN & will miss Spurs game against QPR. This just after Chelsea rested their best players against QPR handing them a morale boosting win where we got a morale sapping massacre.
These are the little things that make me think this isn't going to end well.
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meh. You make you're own luck and we certainly had it in the 1st half against Swansea. In relation to the defence and organisation, Lambert and Co would be wise to remember the famous quote
"It's a funny thing, the more I practice the luckier I get"
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You generate your own luck. When you sell your best players and replace them with inferior ones don't be surprised when your luck runs out.
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I do think there's an element of bad luck to us currently, their first, for example was a shocking shot that Given would've saved comfortably before the deflection took it straight to the feet of their striker.
The thing with football though, is that you have to put yourself in the position to benefit from a bit of luck. Put villa in the same position, would the player 25 yards out have taken on the shot? Would one of our attackers have hung aeround in the position Wells was to make it look so easy? You make your own luck by putting yourself in the situations to benefit from a bit of luck, we're not doing that so we never seem to get the lucky breaks that other teams do.
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I think there was an element of poor luck with the first goal, but you can overcome such things if you play, and especially defend, properly. We didn't, and having conceded over 20 goals in our last 6 games, that's got nothing to do with luck.
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I do think there's an element of bad luck to us currently, their first, for example was a shocking shot that Given would've saved comfortably before the deflection took it straight to the feet of their striker.
The thing with football though, is that you have to put yourself in the position to benefit from a bit of luck. Put villa in the same position, would the player 25 yards out have taken on the shot? Would one of our attackers have hung aeround in the position Wells was to make it look so easy? You make your own luck by putting yourself in the situations to benefit from a bit of luck, we're not doing that so we never seem to get the lucky breaks that other teams do.
The two defenders walking out rather than running out to leave the player onside wasn't anything to do with luck though.
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Claiming its bad luck is just looking for excuses. We were lucky we weren't 3-0 down after 20 mins at Liverpool the other week before we scored. Same at Swansea. We should have lost by 7 when we played Everton first game of the season etc.
no excuses - we are a very poor team, full stop.
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I do think there's an element of bad luck to us currently, their first, for example was a shocking shot that Given would've saved comfortably before the deflection took it straight to the feet of their striker.
The thing with football though, is that you have to put yourself in the position to benefit from a bit of luck. Put villa in the same position, would the player 25 yards out have taken on the shot? Would one of our attackers have hung aeround in the position Wells was to make it look so easy? You make your own luck by putting yourself in the situations to benefit from a bit of luck, we're not doing that so we never seem to get the lucky breaks that other teams do.
The two defenders walking out rather than running out to leave the player onside wasn't anything to do with luck though.
Still doesn't stop the ball falling right at the feet of the striker being a lucky break, the opportunity to benefit from luck is manageable, the better sides don't allow teams those opportunities as often and et themselves into position to benefit more often, there's still an element of luck to it though.
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We were lucky to only ship 8 goals at Chelsea.
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I do think there's an element of bad luck to us currently, their first, for example was a shocking shot that Given would've saved comfortably before the deflection took it straight to the feet of their striker.
The thing with football though, is that you have to put yourself in the position to benefit from a bit of luck. Put villa in the same position, would the player 25 yards out have taken on the shot? Would one of our attackers have hung aeround in the position Wells was to make it look so easy? You make your own luck by putting yourself in the situations to benefit from a bit of luck, we're not doing that so we never seem to get the lucky breaks that other teams do.
The two defenders walking out rather than running out to leave the player onside wasn't anything to do with luck though.
Still doesn't stop the ball falling right at the feet of the striker being a lucky break, the opportunity to benefit from luck is manageable, the better sides don't allow teams those opportunities as often and et themselves into position to benefit more often, there's still an element of luck to it though.
True, but the ball would have fell at the feet of an offside striker had the defenders done their job properly, then Bradford would have felt unlucky that their goal had been offside.
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Their keeper had a blinder and yes we didn't get the rub of the green in the box. However, Bradford fully deserved their victory. The desire shown by their centre half for the third goal epitomised what they were about. For all of the praise Benteke has received this season he deserves fcuking for that third goal. I can only see us getting to the final if we score 4 or 5 in the second leg because I can't see this Villa side keeping a clean sheet. On the whole the team embarrassed the club last night and the only way to put that right is to show us on the pitch that it hurts them as much as it does us fans.
Benteke should be the near post screen on a corner, not marking man to man.
The second was a realy cluster feck of a goal, with Baker aimlessly ambling out to close down a cross he never got near, then Bennett not getting tight to the man heading it it, and Given watching it go by.
Overall - the defending from the moment they scored the first became a calamity.
Not scoring before we did was not luck either, it was poor, poor finishing. Weimann needs to be down the middle every week from now on, he sniffs chances and takes them.
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Their keeper had a blinder and yes we didn't get the rub of the green in the box. However, Bradford fully deserved their victory. The desire shown by their centre half for the third goal epitomised what they were about. For all of the praise Benteke has received this season he deserves fcuking for that third goal. I can only see us getting to the final if we score 4 or 5 in the second leg because I can't see this Villa side keeping a clean sheet. On the whole the team embarrassed the club last night and the only way to put that right is to show us on the pitch that it hurts them as much as it does us fans.
Benteke should be the near post screen on a corner, not marking man to man.
The second was a realy cluster feck of a goal, with Baker aimlessly ambling out to close down a cross he never got near, then Bennett not getting tight to the man heading it it, and Given watching it go by.
Overall - the defending from the moment they scored the first became a calamity.
Not scoring before we did was not luck either, it was poor, poor finishing. Weimann needs to be down the middle every week from now on, he sniffs chances and takes them.
Except for when he tried to cross early on when he really should've taken the chance on.