Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dr Butler on January 08, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
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not sure if this has been posted anywhere yet and please move if needed
I have just seen this on my Facebook page:
http://avillafan.com/site/5186/respect-19th-56th-minutes/
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the Doc
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
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I remember seeing the fire on TV it was awful that so many lives were lost on that day, respect is due lets show everyone watching tonight that The Villa fans show respect. RIP to those who never made it home that day.
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Terrible disaster. Everyone should show respect.
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Absolutely. Let's hope it's followed by their fans singing "Shit support...."
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I vividly remember watching this in horror on TV at the time. People dying before our eyes. Hopefully - in the absence of a video screen - Bradford will make an announcement at the ground so our fans know what's going on and can join in with respect
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I vividly remember watching this in horror on TV at the time. People dying before our eyes. Hopefully - in the absence of a video screen - Bradford will make an announcement at the ground so our fans know what's going on and can join in with respect
I do not think an announcement will be needed now it has been posted on H&V. It will be all over Feckbook and Twatter for us to show respect by now.
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No respect ma' lord.
I'll clap from the boozer.
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Fantastic gesture.
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This is the first I've heard of the 56 th minute respect chant, how long has it been going on , or is it something they have just recently started doing ?
Needless to say I have no doubt due respect will be given from both sets of support on both the 19th and 56th minute.
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
You have more confidence than me.
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
You have more confidence than me.
Why? Our away support on the whole are fantastic.
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We used to have to watch the fire brigade video of this every season as part of our training
Truly horrible to see, especially how quickly it spread - maybe something to be said for the identikit concrete stadiums today against the old wooden ones of yesterday
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The level of response may somewhat depend on how the game is going by the 56th minute.
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
You have more confidence than me.
Why? Our away support on the whole are fantastic.
indeed they are.
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The Doc
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Great idea, UTV
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Anybody not showing respect to Bradford tonight would be a scumsucker of the highest order.
a) because we expect other fans to respect our 19th minute tribute, or at least not dick about when we do it, and
b) like Hillsborough, it was a tragedy that could have happened to any of us.
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The three football disasters of the 1980s all made horrific viewing, but the Bradford one for me remains the most horrible thing I've ever seen on television.
It almost seems forgotten, as another horrific event came along four years later, but it was just horrendous watching that unfold.
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The three football disasters of the 1980s all made horrific viewing, but the Bradford one for me remains the most horrible thing I've ever seen on television.
It almost seems forgotten, as another horrific event came along four years later, but it was just horrendous watching that unfold.
As with the person on the previous page, we had to watch it for fire safety reasons. I recall there were some younger fans laughing and smiling at the cameras on the pitch, presumably unaware of the horror unravelling in the stands.
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I remember watching a program where one of the survivors, a fella in his 30s spoke of how he had to choose between pulling his young son or his elderly father to safety. He chose his son and his dad perished. Not even the mentally toughest would get over that.
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The three football disasters of the 1980s all made horrific viewing, but the Bradford one for me remains the most horrible thing I've ever seen on television.
It almost seems forgotten, as another horrific event came along four years later, but it was just horrendous watching that unfold.
I remember being sat at home as the live pictures came onto the telly. I never witnessed scenes so shocking as those few minutes when the stand turned into an inferno, until 9/11 unfolded.
I shudder when I think of lack of basic safety in that old wooden stand, that led to the tragedy.
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
You have more confidence than me.
Why? Our away support on the whole are fantastic.
Exactly, "on the whole" is a good modifier to Clampy's original post.
Having seen/heard the behaviour of some of our away support (eg the "let him die" chant at the WBA fan having a heart attack) it would not surprise me at all if some people did not respect the Bradford tribute.
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I shudder when I think of lack of basic safety in that old wooden stand, that led to the tragedy.
In the first edition of Simon Inglis's Football Grounds of Great Britain ( surely one of the finest books ever written), Inglis mentions the amount of old litter piled up under the wooden stand at Bradford and how it could be a potential fire hazrds. This was probably 4 years before the disaster.
It was an Archie Leitch-designed stand as well?
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Knowing our away support, it'll be respected.
You have more confidence than me.
Why? Our away support on the whole are fantastic.
Exactly, "on the whole" is a good modifier to Clampy's original post.
Having seen/heard the behaviour of some of our away support (eg the "let him die" chant at the WBA fan having a heart attack) it would not surprise me at all if some people did not respect the Bradford tribute.
A few years back we played United on a Saturday tea time on a freezing cold night. After the game I was walking back to the car up what I think is called Bevington Rd when a few yards in front of me an old fella collapsed with what i'm guessing was a heart attack. I'd just done my coaching badge and part of that was emergency first aid. I gave him CPR. As this was going on I was shouting for someone to phone for an ambulance and I looked up to see three blokes, not teenagers, blokes, who rather than phone 999 were instead videoing the event on their phones while others simply stepped over the stricken fella. They were all Villa fans, but I would never associate myself with them, utter scumbags who just happen to support the same club. What i hope is people like this are in a real minority.
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Had to watch this during a fire marshal course. The fire brigade had told them to clear the rubbish away before the fire. Also the club had worried about people coming through an entrance to watch the game for free, so they padlocked it, leading topeople being unable to get out and burning to death.
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This is a very good article about Bradford and Hillsborough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/sep/15/hillsborough-bradford-daniel-taylor
Bradford, with a turnover in excess of £600,000, had the money in place to make their ground safe. They chose to spend it on creating a promotion-winning team, chasing the dream despite the potential fire risk of litter gathering beneath a timber structure being drawn to their attention by the Health and Safety Executive, twice, in 1981, and the county council in 1984.
After the fire, most likely started by a discarded match or cigarette, a charred copy of the Bradford Telegraph and Argus, from Monday, 4 November 1968, was discovered in the debris. An empty packet of peanuts was also found, costing six old pennies. Decimalisation being in 1971, it had been there at least 14 years. Valley Parade was a monument to neglect, a ticking time-bomb that should have told us football desperately had to change its ways.
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Saw this on twitter yesterday, would be a fantastic gesture.
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This is a very good article about Bradford and Hillsborough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/sep/15/hillsborough-bradford-daniel-taylor
Bradford, with a turnover in excess of £600,000, had the money in place to make their ground safe. They chose to spend it on creating a promotion-winning team, chasing the dream despite the potential fire risk of litter gathering beneath a timber structure being drawn to their attention by the Health and Safety Executive, twice, in 1981, and the county council in 1984.
After the fire, most likely started by a discarded match or cigarette, a charred copy of the Bradford Telegraph and Argus, from Monday, 4 November 1968, was discovered in the debris. An empty packet of peanuts was also found, costing six old pennies. Decimalisation being in 1971, it had been there at least 14 years. Valley Parade was a monument to neglect, a ticking time-bomb that should have told us football desperately had to change its ways.
That is genuinely shocking. What a disgrace.
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This is a very good article about Bradford and Hillsborough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/sep/15/hillsborough-bradford-daniel-taylor
Bradford, with a turnover in excess of £600,000, had the money in place to make their ground safe. They chose to spend it on creating a promotion-winning team, chasing the dream despite the potential fire risk of litter gathering beneath a timber structure being drawn to their attention by the Health and Safety Executive, twice, in 1981, and the county council in 1984.
After the fire, most likely started by a discarded match or cigarette, a charred copy of the Bradford Telegraph and Argus, from Monday, 4 November 1968, was discovered in the debris. An empty packet of peanuts was also found, costing six old pennies. Decimalisation being in 1971, it had been there at least 14 years. Valley Parade was a monument to neglect, a ticking time-bomb that should have told us football desperately had to change its ways.
That is genuinely shocking. What a disgrace.
It is indeed shocking, but I wonder how many other grounds were in a similar condition.
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This is a very good article about Bradford and Hillsborough
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/sep/15/hillsborough-bradford-daniel-taylor
Bradford, with a turnover in excess of £600,000, had the money in place to make their ground safe. They chose to spend it on creating a promotion-winning team, chasing the dream despite the potential fire risk of litter gathering beneath a timber structure being drawn to their attention by the Health and Safety Executive, twice, in 1981, and the county council in 1984.
After the fire, most likely started by a discarded match or cigarette, a charred copy of the Bradford Telegraph and Argus, from Monday, 4 November 1968, was discovered in the debris. An empty packet of peanuts was also found, costing six old pennies. Decimalisation being in 1971, it had been there at least 14 years. Valley Parade was a monument to neglect, a ticking time-bomb that should have told us football desperately had to change its ways.
That is genuinely shocking. What a disgrace.
It is indeed shocking, but I wonder how many other grounds were in a similar condition.
Lots of them i would think. If it had not happened to Bradford it would have happened to some other club as the vast majority of grounds were shit holes.
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Hmmm. Nice idea, but Bradford fans over twitter and forums don't seem to convinced by this as they have a designated day in May
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We used to have to watch the fire brigade video of this every season as part of our training
Truly horrible to see, especially how quickly it spread - maybe something to be said for the identikit concrete stadiums today against the old wooden ones of yesterday
We watched it recently at our place too. Looks so innocuous for so long.
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Agree with the sentiment but ultimately all these minutes applause will start to dilute one another
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I remember watching a program where one of the survivors, a fella in his 30s spoke of how he had to choose between pulling his young son or his elderly father to safety. He chose his son and his dad perished. Not even the mentally toughest would get over that.
That is horrendous, I have a tear in my eye....
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There was nothing in ground. No one had any idea or did anything at 56. One of th problem was that the clock counts down so it confuses people.
Villa fans did do the 19 but shouts of no respect at home fans were well out of order.
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Those behind the goal to our right did start singing 'don't forget the 56' but it was muffled by other crowd noise and, as has been mentioned, difficult to organise with the clock counting down not up.
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I remember watching a program where one of the survivors, a fella in his 30s spoke of how he had to choose between pulling his young son or his elderly father to safety. He chose his son and his dad perished. Not even the mentally toughest would get over that.
My word, that is heartbreaking.
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There was nothing in ground. No one had any idea or did anything at 56. One of th problem was that the clock counts down so it confuses people.
Villa fans did do the 19 but shouts of no respect at home fans were well out of order.
I thought the home fans showed a lot of respect for the 19 minute applause. Unfortunately, like you posted, the 56th minute was a non event.
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I remember watching a program where one of the survivors, a fella in his 30s spoke of how he had to choose between pulling his young son or his elderly father to safety. He chose his son and his dad perished. Not even the mentally toughest would get over that.
My word, that is heartbreaking.
This fella was in his 50s by the time they made the programme, (Might have been a 20th anniversary?) and you could see that he was a broken man. Truly horrendous.
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The gaffer of the pub that we were in before the game was a Leeds fan and he was at Birmingham when the kid got crushed to death when the wall collapsed. It was the same day as the fire. There were a lot of tragedies around that time.
Anyone who has not seen the Bradford Fire video needs to see it. Remember it is real time footage. They have not sped it up. Ignore fire at your peril.
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I'd argue opposite. The last thing you want to do is see it. its horrible.
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A first hand account of the day.
http://football.sportingmemories.org/memory/475-paul-firth/
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Not seen the footage since I watched it live on World Of Sport in 1985 and will never watch it again. The memory of it is vivid enough.
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I'd argue opposite. The last thing you want to do is see it. its horrible.
Yes absolutely horrific
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Must admit I watch it every anniversary. Probably sounds silly but part of me feels that by doing so what they went through will never be forgotten. Even after seeing it so many times it never gets any less upsetting.
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As we have a clock that actually counts in the right direction - maybe we could attempt a 56th minute applause at Villa Park?