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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: itbrvilla on December 20, 2012, 01:07:57 PM

Title: Statues?!
Post by: itbrvilla on December 20, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Having just read that the Blose fans feel thay need a statue (only because the Villa and Dingle have one and the Stripeys are having one of the three degree in the town centre), I was wondering who would be most worthy of being immortalised in the next VP statue to accompany William McGregor?

Mine would be Mortimer with the European Cup  held aloft.

Better than suggestions of Enkleman and Carr for SHA!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2012, 01:09:34 PM
Rinder.
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Post by: MarkM on December 20, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
Mine would be Mortimer with the European Cup  held aloft.

I would go with that
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Post by: OCD on December 20, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Better than suggestions of Enkleman and Carr for SHA!

Funding an Enkleman statue would be the most small time thing I've heard of.
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Post by: PGW on December 20, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
Mortimer definetley and position it in Deadly's parking space!!!
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Post by: Ad@m on December 20, 2012, 01:22:33 PM
Whilst a very good shout, Rinder's of a similar generation to McGregor and it'd be nice to recognise another time in our history.

Mortimer holding the European Cup is also a great shout but I'm not a fan of building statues of people who are still alive.

Anyway, how much do statues cost?  I'd personally rather the money was spent on building a team to recreate the Mortimer moment.
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Post by: itbrvilla on December 20, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
(http://astonvillausa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mortimer.jpg)
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Post by: itbrvilla on December 20, 2012, 01:24:21 PM
Whilst a very good shout, Rinder's of a similar generation to McGregor and it'd be nice to recognise another time in our history.

Mortimer holding the European Cup is also a great shout but I'm not a fan of building statues of people who are still alive.

Anyway, how much do statues cost?  I'd personally rather the money was spent on building a team to recreate the Mortimer moment.
Its just a discussion to highlight the heroes from this great club.  Nothing will come of it at the moment.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
I've always been relieved that Dennis didn't swap shirts like most of the others did. Would have been shit if all the pictures like the above were of him holding it while wearing a Bayern shirt.
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Post by: itbrvilla on December 20, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
I've always been relieved that Dennis didn't swap shirts like most of the others did. Would have been shit if all the pictures like the above were of him holding it while wearing a Bayern shirt.
I think I saw him say in an interview that he wanted everyone to see the Villa with the trophy and thats why he kept the shirt on.  I imagine the team were very star struck with the Bayern Team hence the shirt swapping.
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Post by: not3bad on December 20, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump.
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Post by: Pat McMahon on December 20, 2012, 01:47:01 PM
I've always been relieved that Dennis didn't swap shirts like most of the others did. Would have been shit if all the pictures like the above were of him holding it while wearing a Bayern shirt.
I think I saw him say in an interview that he wanted everyone to see the Villa with the trophy and thats why he kept the shirt on.  I imagine the team were very star struck with the Bayern Team hence the shirt swapping.
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I wish they had all kept their shirts too. For a while I wanted them to have donned our claret and blue shirts but with age I think it more apt that they wore the shirts in which they won the game.

I am always amazed at how glum Bendall looks in that photo.
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Post by: UK Redsox on December 20, 2012, 01:55:27 PM
A statue of Mr Woodhall maybe ?
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Post by: Simon Ward on December 20, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
A statue of Mr Woodhall maybe ?

He could fund that himself!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 20, 2012, 02:01:15 PM
Ramsay. The most important man in our history without any doubt whatsoever.

Old Mac is there for what he did for football, GBR should be honoured for what he did for Villa.

'Never A Minute Wasted'.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 20, 2012, 02:12:22 PM
Ramsay. The most important man in our history without any doubt whatsoever.

Old Mac is there for what he did for football, GBR should be honoured for what he did for Villa.

'Never A Minute Wasted'.

I don't think there's much between him and Rinder. In an ideal world we'd have a Holy Trinity of statues of both of them to go alongside McGregor.
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Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2012, 02:15:17 PM
I've always been relieved that Dennis didn't swap shirts like most of the others did. Would have been shit if all the pictures like the above were of him holding it while wearing a Bayern shirt.

It's a shame that most of them did as in a lot of the pics from the celebrations that night, our lads are practically all wearing red, German shirts. I know it's de rigeur to swap at the end of an important game but I can't recall seeing other pics of champions on the pitch after finals in the colours of the opposition.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2012, 02:24:10 PM
I understand that the noses are erecting a statue of a royal blue penis. It will be inscribed with the names of all of those who wore and soiled their colours.
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Post by: Billy Walker on December 20, 2012, 02:36:30 PM
Another statue would be great.  I'm not so sure who it should be of but I know where I'd love it to be placed:  right in front of the Holte Hotel.  That walk down to the ground would be set off nicely with a great monument being the first thing to greet the eye as you approach the Hotel and the Holte End.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 20, 2012, 02:50:58 PM
It's got to be Doug outside his stand surely.
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Post by: Des Little on December 20, 2012, 02:54:16 PM
We should erect a statue of two cans of blue paint so that the Dogshitters can just touch them up every now and again.
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Post by: Darlo Dave on December 20, 2012, 03:06:26 PM
Salifou.
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Post by: Dr Butler on December 20, 2012, 03:11:00 PM
Johnny Dixon, aloft on his team-mates shoulders holding the FA cup ?

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: Villan For Life on December 20, 2012, 03:14:05 PM
Tony Barton and Ron Saunders
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Post by: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 03:17:54 PM
Sid Cowans riding a Lion, driving a lance through some Blues.
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on December 20, 2012, 03:18:18 PM
Archie Hunter, especially for the last sentence of the passage below:-

Archibald "Archie" Hunter (23 September 1859, Joppa, nr. Ayr, Scotland – 29 November 1894, Aston, Birmingham, England), was the first captain of Aston Villa to lift the FA Cup, in 1887. He was one of Victorian football's first household names.
Hunter played at Third Lanark, Ayr Thistle, and Aston Villa, whom he signed for in August 1878, just four years after their formation. His Aston Villa career began 10 years before the commencement of the first Football League season. In his league career (1888–1891) he played 73 matches scoring 42 goals.
Despite being one of the greats of the 19th century game, Hunter never fulfilled his dream of playing for Scotland against England. This is because at the time the Scottish Football Association had a policy of not picking 'Anglo-Scots' (i.e. Scots who played in the English League).
Hunter originally came to Birmingham planning to sign for Calthorpe FC, but after failing to locate them was persuaded to sign for Villa instead after hearing of Aston Villa's Scottish connections. Hunter later recalled in his memoirs;
“   Aston Villa to me as a club that had come rapidly to the fore and asked me to become a member of it. I hesitated for some time, but at last my friend told me that a "brother Scot," Mr. George Ramsay, was the Villa captain and that decided me. Mr. Ramsay was a Glasgow man and had exerted himself very considerably to bring the Villa team into the front rank.   ”
—Archie Hunter, Triumphs of the Football Field
He was idolized by the crowds and became the first player to score in every round of the FA Cup in Villa's victorious 1887 campaign.
“   Archie Hunter was a prince of dribblers. It was not an unusual performance of his to start at the half way mark, and dribble through the whole of the opposing team! he would not lose the ball until he had literally dribbled it between the posts.   ”
—Association Football And The Men Who Made It (1906)
During a Football League match against Everton in 1890 Hunter suffered a heart attack and collapsed. He never played again, and died at the age of 35. It is said that, on his death-bed, he asked to be lifted up one last time to see the crowd going to Perry Barr (then Villa's home).
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 20, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
Good old Archie. If I was at home I'd post the song that he used to sing in the Crown and Cushion.

Can someone do the honours?

This bloody dust gets everywhere.
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Post by: The Left Side on December 20, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
Sid Cowans riding a Lion, driving a lance through some Blues.

Hoorah
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
We've got a McGregor statue and we've got statues of Lions, why not have have a water feature for a bit of difference?  We could replicate the 'rivers of piss' that was the lower Holte in the 70's and 80's.
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Post by: Nev on December 20, 2012, 04:03:37 PM
Statues are usually memorials to exceptional people and it should remain that way.

There is nothing more cringeworthy than a person unveiling a statue of themselves.
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Post by: not3bad on December 20, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
We've got a McGregor statue and we've got statues of Lions, why not have have a water feature for a bit of difference? 

Nice!  "Ground Force Special"!
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Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
Whilst a very good shout, Rinder's of a similar generation to McGregor and it'd be nice to recognise another time in our history.

Mortimer holding the European Cup is also a great shout but I'm not a fan of building statues of people who are still alive.

Anyway, how much do statues cost?  I'd personally rather the money was spent on building a team to recreate the Mortimer moment.

I don't think the cost of a statue would affect team building very much.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
We've got a McGregor statue and we've got statues of Lions, why not have have a water feature for a bit of difference? 

Nice!  "Ground Force Special"!

Why not.  We could get a a large Chimenea too. 
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Post by: Des Little on December 20, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
Or a statue of Charlie Dimmock with her udders hanging out of a Villa away shirt
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Post by: ktvillan on December 20, 2012, 04:37:04 PM
As the architect of Villa's greatest achievements of the modern era, it has to be Ron Saunders for me.
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Post by: ktvillan on December 20, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Oh and for the blues a statue of that gypsy putting a curse on No Pride Park, so they'd have a permanent excuse for being shite.
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Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
Or a statue of Charlie Dimmock with her udders hanging out of a Villa away shirt
Ha,ha; great imagery!
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on December 20, 2012, 05:24:49 PM
I say we unite the city for once.

A massive statue in the city center of a football fan with his head in his hands a scarf about to fall off his shoulders.

"Dedicated to those who have suffered for this city"

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Post by: DB on December 20, 2012, 05:28:48 PM
Maybe a montage of all the 82 winning team with Mortimer in the middle? Seems a bit unfair just have him. For example, Withe's pose as he's in the back of the Bayern goal.

Or Nigel Callaghan blowing up a condom on his head...?
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Post by: peter w on December 20, 2012, 05:33:28 PM
Can't we get a nice rockery?
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Post by: hipkiss92 on December 20, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/30/johnny-dixon-aston-villa-manager

surely the top image is an ideal one for a statue?
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Post by: OCD on December 20, 2012, 08:11:23 PM
Hopefully that scene would become quickly outdated over the next few years.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 20, 2012, 08:38:32 PM
Sid Cowans riding a Lion, driving a lance through some Blues.

I saw Sid in Tesco Express in Shenstone the other week.  To my eternal shame, I was too awestruck to say hello.
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Post by: robbo1874 on December 21, 2012, 04:46:15 AM
Sid Cowans riding a Lion, driving a lance through some Blues.
You funny fucker, I just laughed out loud on the train home reading that.

My shout would be for tony Daley haircut and all!
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Post by: villanic on December 21, 2012, 04:58:02 AM
This is a bit petty but what about Dion nutting Savage. It would be a statue that most football fans could enjoy not just us.

If we did have another statue then something to do with winning the European cup would get my vote.
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Post by: villanic on December 21, 2012, 05:09:29 AM
Maybe a montage of all the 82 winning team with Mortimer in the middle? Seems a bit unfair just have him. For example, Withe's pose as he's in the back of the Bayern goal.

Or Nigel Callaghan blowing up a condom on his head...?

Someone else who saw that on Greece uncovered. I knew i didn't imagine it.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on December 22, 2012, 08:38:29 PM
Vic Crowe -the most important manager this club ever had.
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Post by: MarkM on December 22, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
How about a wall of honour detailing all our honours, with space for further honours to be added
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 22, 2012, 09:00:05 PM
The 1976 Liverpool defence. For 45 minutes on a December night at Villa Park they were all made to look like statues.
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Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
Maybe a montage of all the 82 winning team with Mortimer in the middle? Seems a bit unfair just have him. For example, Withe's pose as he's in the back of the Bayern goal.

Or Nigel Callaghan blowing up a condom on his head...?

Someone else who saw that on Greece uncovered. I knew i didn't imagine it.

He'd also turned a bit on the tubby side.
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Post by: Irish villain on December 23, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
Why not commemorate people while they are still alive? At least that way they get to share in our appreciation?

Mortimer with the European cup for me.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 23, 2012, 12:38:19 PM
A statue at Blues? it's like putting tits on a bull, inbread wankers
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Post by: cdbearsfan on December 23, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Hovis?
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Post by: Doorbell on December 23, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Sid Cowans riding a Lion, driving a lance through some Blues.

If you're going down that route, Sid would probably need to be riding a dinosaur, holding a dinosaur.  I took a test on Facebook and apparently that's the ultimate animal, weapon combo...
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Post by: Gareth on December 23, 2012, 03:01:17 PM
This is a bit petty but what about Dion nutting Savage. It would be a statue that most football fans could enjoy not just us.

No way! Never quite forgave Dion for getting a red card and Gobby Cabbage being able to get up & carry on.

I'll go slightly left field and for the man who IMHO is the most significant in my Villa attending lifetime...step forward Sir Graham Taylor...if we had disappeared to div 3 before Sky invented football we might still be there.
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