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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: hawkeye on December 12, 2012, 12:10:38 AM
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Reflecting on our win tonight, I cant help but imagine how things may have turned out if we had of won this game.
For me the most pivotal momemt in our recent history was this match.
Not only did we lose but we demonstrated to the whole world that we were prepared to be dull and unadventureous in defeat.
It was a shocking day in our history and i believe it has cast a shadow over the Club since.
It was not that we lost, it was the way we lost.
This has been a subject that has not really been dealt with properly and I think it is time that we exorcised this ghost.
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This match never happened. I refuse to accept it ever happened.
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This match never happened. I refuse to accept it ever happened.
I guess that is why it is not on the main forum then?
which was really the point of the post, i think that beyond the MON left us in the shit debate that what happened in MAy 2000 was realy the thing that fucked us up.
Maybe it was Fergie time in the first PL season? So ypu think it should not be on the main forum? Thats cencorship allright, who guards the guards? UTV
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I was devastated that day. I kept waiting for us do do something and we didn't. I think we played for penalties. It was dreadful.
Mind you we weren't too hot in the semi either.
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Even if we'd won it wouldn't have suddenly kicked the club to a new level. Not with Gregory and Ellis in charge. It wouldn't have generated a shit load of money as we qualified for Europe anyway. All it would really have made a difference to is us as fans not having a totally shit experience and memories of the day.
And you're right, it's like North Korea in here the way we move a thread about a game that 12 years ago into the memories section.
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Obviously this should not be in this section but some people lack imagination.
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Even if we'd won it wouldn't have suddenly kicked the club to a new level. Not with Gregory and Ellis in charge. It wouldn't have generated a shit load of money as we qualified for Europe anyway. All it would really have made a difference to is us as fans not having a totally shit experience and memories of the day.
And you're right, it's like North Korea in here the way we move a thread about a game that 12 years ago into the memories section.
Yes obviously your decision was based purely on the facts of the matter and has nothing to do with any previous interaction. You are right it is like North Korea if you let some of the guards to make the rules up.
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Yes that's obviously what it all is. No one has ever discussed the 2000 Cup Final before and no other threads about matches 12 years ago ever get moved to the memories forum.
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Yes that's obviously what it all is. No one has ever discussed the 2000 Cup Final before and no other threads about matches 12 years ago ever get moved to the memories forum.
Oh dear!
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I had a great day until 3pm, and then it was just terrible!
Afterwards I just remember walking past a pub full of Chelsea fans taking the piss!
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Of course it was a massive disappointment, especially considering our understandable obsession with it now being 55 barren years.
But I disagree that it was a pivotal moment in our history as far as where the club was heading. Years ago it meant a massive financial injection for any club winning it. Receipts alone would mean being able to make a big signing and kick on further.
If we had won that day, as fantastic as it would have been, we would still have been in the same situation. Chasing on the coat tails of the really big money clubs trying to prevent an ever widening gap, with a manager taking about a Chairman living in the past.
More pivotal moments in the last two decades for me which have led to where we are now were the following ;-
The premature dismissal of BFR.
Stan Collymore not proving a successful signing.
Dwight Yorkes departure.
Doug not calling it a day 5 years earlier.
The surrender in Moscow.
A twat dropping us in it 5 days before the start of a season.
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god hawkeye you are a happy chappy worse result in last 10 years
Yes it was a shit game, still think David James a ******
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This match never happened. I refuse to accept it ever happened.
Same here
I never mention it or think about it
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I've dealt with it and have moved on. Therapy is a wonder thing!
I don't believe that a shadow has been cast over the club ever since. I'm more disappointed by events sice the "bright future" fizzled out.
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That was a terrible time in my life we lost the cup final I got divorced around about the same time not a good time for me.
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The 2000 FA Cup Final was many things but it definitely was not our worst result in the last 10 years.
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Being less pedantic, it was the worst day of my Villa-supporting life. For years I had wanted to see us in the FA Cup Final, the holy grail and the only important thing we have not won in my lifetime, and then it was a total non-event. The banter wasn't half as good as at the League Cup Finals either, and then the icing on the cake of gloom was the slow traffic out of London through hordes of celebrating Chelsea fans. Jeez.
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The only thing that comes close is the two individual mistakes right at the end of the Stoke game that cost us a victory just after the Moscow event.
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It did arguably lead to the exodus of Southgate, Ehiogu and Boateng to Boro. and some of the coaching staff, the name Paul Barron rings a bell?
David James went to West Ham and played for another ten years, replacing him we brought in Schmeichel who retied 2 years later...
John Gregory lasted another season and a half.
I agree that all the gains of the Brian Little and John Gregory years, did all seem to fizzle out with this cup final.
Incidentally did anyone see on the os that Daveed Ginola has apologised about his time at the club? Personally I'm just glad he's finally got that off his conscience.
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I paid a tout £250 for a ticket. Oh dear.
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I flew for 11 hours to get to London.
As my U.K passport had expired I had to go in through the " Other nationals, entry" A nasal nosed cockney looked at me and asked, "what is the purpose of your visit" Me in my Retro 70,s Villa shirt replied. "to see the Villa lift the cup"
Great weekend, crap game and very little to tell my late dad about when I got home.
Please let the chance come again, when we really want to win it.
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god hawkeye you are a happy chappy worse result in last 10 years
Yes it was a shit game, still think David James a c***
I never watched the game on TV and I never will but my memory was that James played well and made a few decent saves to keep us in it when Chelsea turned the pressure on. I definitely don't blame him for the defeat.
A team with Weah, Zola, Desailly, Leboeuf, Deschamps, Di Matteo were certainly better than us.
All in all just a shit day.
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I don't think that there's a sporting event as emotional as the FA Cup. I will never forget walking up the steps to our seat with my Dad and seeing the pitch. (Just thinking about it now has brought a tear to my eye). Dad has seen Wolves, Albion and Blues in FA Cup Finals, but couldn't get a ticket in '57 (travelled down, but couldn't afford the tout's prices).
I can hardly remember the football though.
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A strange day. Started off as one of my best ever Villa-supporting days, ended up as one of the worst.
I left Wembley on the stroke of the final whistle, didn't wait to se the presentation, raced back home to Tooting, where I was living at the time ( full of Chelsea fans, Tooting) locked the door, swiched the phone off and drunk myself yampy.
Never seen the highlights of the game, never even seen a replay of the goal. Airbrushed from history.
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Sometimes you just know it's not going to happen. We were staying in central London and one young lad with us was lifted the night before for drug running in Leicester Square, the undercover coppers were persuaded to let him go when they realised he was with his Dad but it spoilt the night for them. It seemed to take an age to get to Wembley and once there we seemed to be in a mixed area (depsite us all being ST holders) and it lead to a pretty nasty atmosphere. We did a Chico and legged it at the final whistle, I had a blazing row with one of the lads about waiting for his brother and the following morning our train back to Brum was delayed.
The only bit of the day I enjoyed was seeing us walk out for an FA Cup final at the old Wembley.
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They are still trying to flog the programmes for this game. What a non-event. Mind you, the semi final was shit as well.
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I had a seat right by the steps where the players walked up to receive the cup. It could have been an amazing bit of luck to be sat there if we'd finally won it after half a century's wait. Instead my abiding memory of the occasion is of being in too close proximity to that little prick Dennis Wise with his toddler in one arm and the FA Cup in the other.
Mind you, I did meet Johnny Dixon outside beforehand.
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It was just one massive anti climax we played for a 0-0 from the first minute.
The semi final was much the same but the penalty shoot out gave it some excitement.
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I was absolutely hammered that day...can hardly remember a thing about it, which is probably a good thing.
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I was absolutely hammered that day...can hardly remember a thing about it, which is probably a good thing.
Me too, so much so I thought we'd played we'll.
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Being less pedantic, it was the worst day of my Villa-supporting life. For years I had wanted to see us in the FA Cup Final, the holy grail and the only important thing we have not won in my lifetime, and then it was a total non-event. The banter wasn't half as good as at the League Cup Finals either, and then the icing on the cake of gloom was the slow traffic out of London through hordes of celebrating Chelsea fans. Jeez.
This for me too. Have to say the Chelsea fans were amongst the most classless, ungracious wankers I have ever encountered, ( aside from the lad I walked to the ground with who was sound )
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What was the score, seriously i've erased it from my memory to such a degree i can't recall if we lost 1-0 or 2-0.
Echo what you say about chelsea fans too, absolute tosspots.
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I think the biggest disappointment that day was when I saw the team. We'd been playing well with the likes of Alan Thompson et al, but for the final JG brings back all this old favourites - & we stiff on the day.
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Worst Villa moment for me. Utterly gutted.
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Never felt as flat after leaving a game. To make matters worse, I walked right into a mass fight on one of the streets (must have been at least 50 people involved in it) after leaving the stadium. I can vividly remember an oldish bloke who seemed to be minding his own business while all the mayhem was going on, nonchalantly tripping someone up and kicking them when they were on the floor before going on his way.
To be fair, we were a bit lucky to be there as we had been distinctly second best against Bolton in the semi-final and they missed an absolute sitter in the dying minutes.
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I'm awaiting the thread titled:
The Greatest Achievement of Recent Times Our Next Cup Final
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Everything was great until 3pm my favourite part singing Abide with Me with a tear in my eye. The less said about the game the better I have still never seen a replay of the goal, I walked out as soon as the final whistle went. To make it worse we were sat on the coach waiting to get away and seeing all the Chelsea fans walking past like it was just another a game they had been to. If it had been us that had just won everyone would have been crazy. All I want to see is us win that cup one day, it's not too much to ask is it?
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I remember being so excited for it, John Gregory was on "A Question Of Sport" a few weeks before the game and I was going to see my 1st ever Villa cup win (well, that I was old enough to remember being 8 years old).
We got the coach down, our coach was egged by Chelsea fans by a sevice station by some Cheryl from the Royle Family look-a-like and seeing a Liverpool car sticker in London and wondering if Liverpool was in London
As shit as the day was in my claret and blue face paint, I still have my ticket somewhere, along with my Wembley pennant and my flag. I'm delighted to have been there as it was a real experience for me, not one I enjoyed at the time bawling my eyes out on the steps of Wembley, but something to saviour regardless
My biggest mistake was thinking we'll win it next year, and allowing myself to believe it
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And, going off on a slight tangent, we lost to Leicester in the Worthington (League) Cup the same season to a Matt Elliot header in the 2nd leg if I'm very not mistaken, I remember not being aloud to stay awake to check the score and being absolutely gutted when I woke the next morning to find out that I wasn't going to Wembley that season
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think you're right think we lost that semi against Leicester on away goals.
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0-0 at home, 0-1 away IIRC.
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yeah it was one nil, obviously just wishful thinking on my part.
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Twatted two Chelsea fans on Wembley way before the match. So all in all not the worst day out ever! L;-)
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I spent £35.00 on my ticket. Which was dear at the time. Could barely see a thing so I had a row with a steward when moved.
Subsequently found out the same steward later brought his two Chelsea supporting kids in towards the end of the game.
Glad I got to actually go to an FA Cup Final. Gutted it was us and the outcome.
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jcsutv and I watched it with friends with a bottle of champagne chilling, you know the rest.
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I have no recollection of the game this thread is talking about. I don't think it actually happened, we all imagined it did. :D
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Biggest disappointment? Everytime someone open's up a certain thread and she's still alive. Which is amplified when you're just in from the pub!
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I'll forgive John Gregory for many things but not for the worst Cup Final in my living memory. I'd dreamt of taking my son to watch the Villa play in a Cup Final at Wembley - I did and it was shit, thanks John.
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I remember talking to a bloke in a Chelsea shirt in a Paddington pub around 8 or 9 in the evening, after the match. He politely told me that he "didn't speak English". That's about the last thing I remember of that night and had the most horrific hangover the next morning. Depressed, in pain and with untouched, vomit inducing breakfasts behind us, we left our hotel with the intention of getting the train home, but ended up in several pubs on the way to the station and got hammered again.
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I have a limited edition framed signed picture of this match by N.J. Davies hanging on my hall wall. Entitled F.A. Cup Finals - End of an Era - Wembley Stadium May 2000. No. 77/2000.
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I have a recollection of us going down in a limo and being "papped" by Wembley Conference Centre as they thought we were Five arriving for a gig.
We took the piss with me waving just a hand from our tinted window before getting a round of fucks from the snappers when I popped my head out of the sun roof.
We also got a curry, with plates and cutlery for the trip back from a place up the top of the Hangar Lane gyratory.
I was asleep for the last hour home.
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I don't think it's over-dramatizing matters to say the Bradford debacle last week. Stunning embarrassment and so disappointing given this cup was our lifeline in a nightmare season. We might yet recover in the 2nd leg but I can't remember feeling more disappointed in my club than that night.
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I have a recollection of us going down in a limo and being "papped" by Wembley Conference Centre as they thought we were Five arriving for a gig.
We took the piss with me waving just a hand from our tinted window before getting a round of fucks from the snappers when I popped my head out of the sun roof.
We also got a curry, with plates and cutlery for the trip back from a place up the top of the Hangar Lane gyratory.
I was asleep for the last hour home.
We did a limo there as well. It was great on the journey down. Hardly a word was said on the journey back!
Here is a pic us before we left in front of our limo. Look at the hope, happiness and expectations on our faces. Little did we know what was to come. For those interested, i'm the one looking like i'm trying to strangle someone.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/wembley1_zps471c43ed.jpg)
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I watched the game at Mad Dog In The Fog in San Francisco. I left there gutted and embarrassed. I was not a big Gregory fan anyway, but after this gutless performance he was never going to win me over.
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I was one of the lucky ones who couldnt get a ticket. But I remember watching on TV and with 10 minutes left wishing the ref would blow the final whistle at 1-0 to Chelsea. The only time in my life I have given up all hope at 1 down and gone to make a cup of tea. Thoroughly rubbish that day, I have a match programme somewhere as it was the last Final at the old Wembley but its still in its brown delivery envelope, I have never looked at it beyond the front cover. It is signed by the two captains, I'll sell it one day to a Chelsea collector no doubt.
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i had a great day until 3pm, and then it all went downhill from there on!
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We had great plans to go out in London that night and stay at a mate's house, we were so pissed off we just drove home staight from Wembley.
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I travelled over from S.A for the game.
My U.K Passport had expired and I travelled on my S.A Passport.
At Passport control, a rat faced Cockney asked me, "what is the purpose of your visit "
I had put my Villa shirt on prior to disembarking, " I am here to see the Villa win the cup" i do not think it registered.
Great weekend, lots of reunions, my first return for 17 years.
Loads of drinking and reminiscing, the game I completly forgot.
My poor old dad, who had moved to S.A and had been to the 57 cup final watched it here with my brother and sons on the T.V
I do not think we even shared a comment about the game afterwards.
Please god let me come back for another one.