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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 07, 2012, 03:27:12 PM
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Available Saturday afternoon.
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Off to VP now. Don't want any drama just a straight forward 3-0 please....
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@AVFCOfficial: VILLA: Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark, Lichaj, Holman, Westwood, Bannan, Herd, Agbonlahor (c), Benteke. #AVFCLIVE
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@AVFCOfficial: Subs: Given, Ireland, El Ahmadi, Weimann, Williams, Delph, Bent. #AVFCLIVE
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Sticking with 3-5-2 then.
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Who are the two playing out wide then? Assuming Lambert's still using his 4-3-3 system and not gone 4-4-2.
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Is that the same team as last week? ...and does that mean Herd is likely to play midfield or defence?
433 would be my preference, with Herd in midfield.
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Lichaj at left wing back at home . . . Can't see us being too much of a threat down that side! N'Zogbia not fit clearly either.
If we are serious about playing Bent, I'd have thought there's a good chance he should come on today. We could keep the same shape for a start.
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I thought Vlaar was back. Really could have done with him for this one. Oh well, come on Villa!
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Same team as last week.
Guzan
Herd Clark Baker
Lowton Lichaj
Westwood Bannan
Holman
Benteke Agbonlahor
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Not for certain.
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Looks like Stoke will have Etherington and Walters either side of Jones. Everything I think I understand about football would indicate that's likely to be a real problem for us given the likely 352. Do our wingbacks push on and leave us 3 v 3 at the back, or do we end up playing a back 5? That's why 3-5-2 seemed to be dead.
But Wigan have been making a fist of it. I still don't really understand how. But perhaps it's just a semi gamble that their wingers have to track your wingbacks, and you can thus pin them back. Would have worked better with a better attacking player than Lichaj I'd imagine though.
Think this may have 1 goal tops in it!
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Wigan play 3-4-3 and they take the risk of leaving 3 on 3. They also leave the wide players up the pitch to make the opposition wide players think twice about going forward. Its risky and the players have to be brave for it to work. As with anything, the personnel playing the formation are more important than the formation itself.
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I suspect the left wing back for Wigan (Honduran I think) tends to give people more to think about than Lichaj is likely to!
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If anyone wishes to converse privately about small flowing waterways I'd be very grateful
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Less than 1,000 Stokies have turned up.
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It's 10 mins to kick-off, Stoke will be in the dressing room sharpening their elbows and pumping iron.
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I think I'm gonna head out and do some xmas shopping, Darren Bent style. Can't really face following this game on a combination of H&V and the BBC. Too painful!
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If anyone wishes to converse privately about small flowing waterways I'd be very grateful
Google search, and there are links 3-4 results down. Live permier league football or something generic will find. Not a great link but will do.
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Fuckin' 'ell it's Gary Birtles!
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Good start. Corner.
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Not sure hoisting high balls into the box is the way to go today.
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Very positive and energetic. Keep it up Villa.
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Good desire so far,
Benteke is a really good footballer
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Very bright opening 5 mins from us
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stoke looking very defensive at the moment
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TFR is sticky as fook...... I am undone.
We will win this one 3-0
WIBBLE
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Haha Walters. Knob.
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I'd love a really nice comfortable victory.
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that looked close
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This co-commentator's got a massive hard on for Stoke, for some reason.
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2 penalties there ref!!!!
How clear do they need?
Gabby is playing very well
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bloody Shawcross
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Great work from Bannan then
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looking good
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This co-commentator's got a massive hard on for Stoke, for some reason.
I think it might be more anti Villa
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Dunno if you're watching the same feed as me but Birtles at least is full of praise for us.
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Dunno if you're watching the same feed as me but Birtles at least is full of praise for us.
I think you need to PM me...
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We look good so far.
Still convinced we will get a beat down today though.
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We will win this one, easily. As soon as we start playing football they will be fucked...
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"Barry Bannan the deadball specialist..." titter
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birtles thought Villa fans were applauding bannons free kick
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"The crowd are on there feet applauding. They like wht they are seeing." No it's the nineteenth minute, you tool.
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Arry losing.
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QPR losing Sunderland losing
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nice to know the commentators do their homework.....
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They're scared shitless of Benteke. The guy's getting an aura about him already...
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QPR losing Sunderland losing
Two clubs with a ****** for a manager getting beat....
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was good to see the Stoke fans joining in with the 19th min applause for Stan
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Just got in a couple of minutes ago. How are we doing? Looks OK from what I've seen so far.
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was good to see the Stoke fans joining in with the 19th min applause for Stan
Indeed, I hope we only beat them 3-0 now
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Not much fun without VS
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We are defending well when Stoke break. Really good performance so far. Just need to score
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Not quite working for us at the sharp end yet.
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Twice now we've had good wide positions and nobody has been bombing into the area.
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Pubey losing again. Shame
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Birtles: "I could say something but I won't." Hell of a mantra for a commentator that, Birtles you div.
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Just in the door, I miss anything?
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Need to get more players in the box when the crosses come in, nobody on Benteke's pull back there and Gabby's cross earlier.
Very good apart from that though. Really, really need the goal now though.
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wtf is Birtles on about because bent is smiling . ffs what is he suppose to do .
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Just in the door, I miss anything?
Been mostly Villa though no real chances yet. Scrapping very well and some nice breaks but just lacking a bit of quality with the ball in. Or the ball in has been good but no-one is breaking into the box.
Naff all from Sturk.
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stoke spoiling the game to good effect
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QPR losing Sunderland losing
Two clubs with a c*** for a manager getting beat....
with many friends in the media to perpetuate their mythical status
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Thought we were unlucky not to get a penalty earlier frrom a block, and NZonzi looked lucky to stay on for a push in Baker's face. Not had the rub yet
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That last attack reminded me of Wimbledon back in the 90s
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Baker getting his revenge on that twat :)
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I really fucking hate stoke. Time wasting after half an hour, typical.
As for us, not looking to bad, some nice build up play, just need an end product.
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Can't agree on the pen - it was a superb block by Shawcross - but Nzonzi is a lucky lucky boy. Although he did just smacked in the face as partial payback.
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Stoke players in the wars a bit!
*karma*
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That last attack reminded me of Wimbledon back in the 90s
Stoke should market themselves as retro football.
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Can't agree on the pen - it was a superb block by Shawcross - but Nzonzi is a lucky lucky boy. Although he did just smacked in the face as partial payback.
The second one was then. Both looked like hands to me but it is a grainy one.
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Just in the door, I miss anything?
Been mostly Villa though no real chances yet. Scrapping very well and some nice breaks but just lacking a bit of quality with the ball in. Or the ball in has been good but no-one is breaking into the box.
Naff all from Sturk.
Thanks for that, sounds reassuring
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Don't care how we do it but bloody score!
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Can't remember when we last dominated a game like this. Just need a goal
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Again, more in the box needed, only Gabby there then
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Pulis barking orders like a deranged nazi general. Bit harsh maybe.
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So frustrating watching this yardage football from them. The throw in from their own box, to make 30 yards and then bang another down the line.
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Pulis barking orders like a deranged nazi general. Bit harsh maybe.
Harsh but fair
WIBBLE
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The Fonz scores for Blackpool
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Birtles will be askin Santa for a half season ticket at Villa Park at this rate. The man's lovin the Villa!
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Christ, low attendance
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If we all WIBBLE we will win....
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the game is going exactly as Stoke have planned. Bore the shit out of everyone then hopefully score with a punt into the box. We need to keep doing what we are doing and hope that the team playing football wins at the end of the day.
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Christ, low attendance
Each one of those empty seats represents a football purist.
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Christ, low attendance
Each one of those empty seats represents a football purist.
Or a supporter who has been priced out...
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Defense has been superb
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I know I sound like a broken record but more in the box!!
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the front men need more support
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the game is going exactly as Stoke have planned. Bore the shit out of everyone then hopefully score with a punt into the box. We need to keep doing what we are doing and hope that the team playing football wins at the end of the day.
Quite. Although to be fair we've not been very good in the final third. All this aerial stuff into their box is a total waste of time.
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Surely Holman should be trying to get in the box to join the striker(s) when we get the ball wide
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Christ, low attendance
Each one of those empty seats represents a football purist.
And every time Stoke keep a clean sheet, a child's dream dies.
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Norwich 2-0 up at Swansea who comfortably beat Arsenal last week. Weird.
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Baker is very good.
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Scrap! Get in lads!
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Stoke thugs
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Stoke complaining about a stiff tackle?
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Stoke play horrendous football.
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Ha Ha Jones desperately trying to get Clark booked but free kick goes against him.
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I will take0-0 but not at full time
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Baker is very good.
Very strong and tough.
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Ha. Commentator just called him Tony Pubis.
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Good half. Um, just needed a goal.
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Did the commentator just call the Stoke manager Tony Pubis?
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Pulis....
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Bent on second half me thinks.
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Bent on second half me thinks.
he will need a bit of service...
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Bent on second half me thinks.
Yep, need to be much more canny in their area. Play it in to feet.
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its nice to see that in contrast to last year, the flat footed hatchet men are playing for stoke now instead of us. (Hutton Dunne Collins I'm looking at you).
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Sounds like there is enough service into box from posts. Can't see the game.
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Pubey (not Pubis) now 2-0 down. Shame.
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Fair play to Stoke fans, they pay to watch this anti football shite week in week out.
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Good performance so far. We've subdued them but they plan to nick it in the second half so must keep it up.
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Good possession football by Villa but still no cutting edge in the penalty area.
Benteke works hard and this the difference compared to Bent, but perhaps if still 0-0 with half hour to go PL should give Bent an outing with Benteke and get some crosses into the box.
Stoke are just group of strong arm tactics players, but Villa will need to watch out if Crouch comes on, as he pinches goals.
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Id like to see Ireland come on , we need someone in that area behind the front 2 to support and hes the man for that , could get a 1-0 .
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Great to see Pulis pissed off at half time, looks like they thought they only had to turn up and win but we're even winning the off the ball fighting. Good spirit from our lads keep it going we'll win this - give it till 60 mins if its still 0-0 get Ireland on.
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zero attempts for Stoke.
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Encouraging but unless we get bodies in and around their box we'll be relying on a bit of skill, or a defensive error.
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Not bad so far. Again, really lacking that one special player in midfield who can unlock the door. But we've played our game, and kept Stoke from turning it into a physical battle. Our 3 CB's are coping well, whilst the wing backs are both decent in the air too. Stoke have no pace to trouble us, so Lichaj looks more comfortable today. Herd's playing well. Baker and Clark look solid.
Westy continues to impress me. Could be our Scholes (that's the post-30, deep lying scholes of course, not goal-scoring midfielder).
Benteke looks quality again. Think there's a goal in him today.
I think we're comfortable enough to sacrifice Holman's industry for Irelands potential flair. I'd also consider Delph or Williams at LWB to inject some pace.
We're just starting to get a bit more organised, a bit better of late. Looks like we could get enough of a run to pull away. The formation seems to work too. In certain positions, better quality could make all the difference. A really good footballing forward with Benteke would work wonders.
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Wibble
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scrappy game but we have been the better team , lets hope for a breakthrough.
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Encouraging but unless we get bodies in and around their box we'll be relying on a bit of skill, or a defensive error.
My sentiments exactly. Where's the midfield when the ball goes in the box from the flanks?
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rightfully, Pulis will be telling his lot to keep at us given our record this season in the second half. They know that we have suffered lapses in concentration and with such a young back line we are going to be vunerable. Makes it really important to keep playing our game and retain our composure against their aerial bombardment.
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Think we have been excellent, and much of the good things have come from Gabby running at them, Beneteke causing havoc and the midfield closing the loose ball. Where would Bent fit into that??
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Benteke looks good but it's an uphill battle for him when they aim high balls at him and he's alone up against 3 or 4 basketball players. No-one else in the box too often, which is maybe where we miss the movement of Weimann or Bent. Just thought Benteke should have been in front of the defender for that last chance, not behind him. I think Bent would have nipped in front of him.
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Come on VILLA
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Wibble
Have you got two pencils up your nose and your underpants on your head as well?
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It is what is in his hand you have to worry about.
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Great chance. Foot through it there!!
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chance there
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Good chance.
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Thought he would have scored...
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that was a chance ;(
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That would have been a beauty, should have leathered it.
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Wonderful pass from Bannan there... nothing hollywood about it!
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Great Row Z clearance by Chris Herd.
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Does that cock Pennant still dive for Stoke?
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Haha!
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Isn't he at the Dogheads?
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We are such a better team this season.
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Wiki says Wolves.
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Referee's been good so far I think
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Come on Villa!!!
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Right how's it been going?
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Getting a bit spicey now.
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Referee's been good so far I think
You were saying :)
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No pen Gabby. Come on get on with it.
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Lichaj is a bit of a loose cannon isn't he.
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Did Lichaj get away without a booking there?
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Stoke can't play football.
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nzonzi is a cock
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Villa score! Villa score! Once you get one..
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Jones. ******.
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Sunderland now 0-3
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Fuck off Jones.
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It's just like watching Uruguay.
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Don't fuck with the 'Zan, Jones.
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This half is a bit more even. Could really do with getting the 3 points we deserve. Especially as it's getting a bit fiery out there.
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How are there no cards yet? Jones and Nzonzi are due a couple IMO.
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Do Stoke have a different set of rules for their game?
lucky not to have a few cards
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I wonder if Pulis has them practising niggly, sly fouls and then running off shaking their heads at a dummy ref in training?
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We still can't pass a football.
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Come on villa. One goal and i reckon we'll win this.
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I wonder if Pulis has them practising niggly, sly fouls and then running off shaking their heads at a dummy ref in training?
Well they don't play football...
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Look at that - all 10 men behind the ball.
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Stoke are a horrible little outfit.
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Unlucky Benteke. Sweetfeet.
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Good effort Villa.
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If they pinch a goal, we'll never score on the basis of the game so far, good football, no striker
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Benteke....such a dangerman
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That was a nice move.
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nice move. We really are trying to play football.
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Good work by Benteke. He has to score today, surely?
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Any subs yet?
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half hour to go, bring Bent and Ireland on
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Southampton leading Reading 1-0.
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I am beginning to hate Stoke as much as I hate Chelski and liverplool. Stoke for their football and the other two for what they are.
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I am beginning to hate Stoke as much as I hate Chelski and liverplool. Stoke for their football and the other two for what they are.
I'd say in the case of Stoke you've been remarkably restrained over the past few years They are an abomination.
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When it comes to distribution we're like a pissed postman.
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Unlucky that stuck to the defenders foot like glue. I hope a genie pops out of my cock soon and gives us the cutting edge to do these oafs.
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Sunderland in bottom 3 as it stands
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Bent on!!!
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Bent and Ireland coming on.
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Bent coming on?!!
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I really despise Stoke's style.
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Sunderland in bottom 3 as it stands
Teriffic etc etc
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bent coming on
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I can see this one turning sour.
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Bent & Ireland on
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Right come on Bent and Ireland get us the win.
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Gabby & Holman off
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Lambert must have read my post, Bent and Ireland on
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Have we gone 4-4-2?
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Stoke have attempt on goal!
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Stoke have attempt on goal!
Are you sure it wasnt a clearance?
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BBC quoting some prick on Twitter who's obviously bought into the Pubey myth:
Daniel Gallagher on Twitter: "Martin O'Neil doesn't deserve to be at such a poor side as Sunderland, he should be managing a top 4 side."
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They weren't that poor when he went there.
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BBC quoting some prick on Twitter who's obviously bought into the Pubey myth:
Daniel Gallagher on Twitter: "Martin O'Neil doesn't deserve to be at such a poor side as Sunderland, he should be managing a top 4 side."
I deserve a blow job from Angelina Jolie but it ain't going to happen (a hand shandy is a bit more realistic).
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Westwood = Gareth Barry
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The Fonz scored for Blackpool earlier by the way.
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Westwood covers some ground, doesn't he?
Bannan has passed the ball very well today.
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Southampton, QPR, and to a lesser extent Norwich all winning, we could really do with nicking this.
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Westwood = Gareth Barry
More like a Sid for me
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QPR winning
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QPR now winning at Wigan.
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Crouch coming on
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Bolocks QPR lead 2-1
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Hmm, these 2 minute breaks every time the ball goes out for a Stoke throw are SO entertaining!
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Yellow for Shotton the horrible little scrote.
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Come on we deserve to win this.
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Crouch certainly can't be any less effective than Jones was.
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Crouch on, smack him in the mouth Villa
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Crouch on. I'm not saying anything about that.
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Crouch looks like he's got a mouth full of marbles.
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Wigan back equal with QPR
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Huth with the elbow nthere. thug
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Baker immense.
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Has Bent touched the ball yet?
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Huth should have gone for that elbow
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Well played Barry Bannan.
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Keep the possession Villa, don't let the thugs pinch this
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Delph on for BANNAN
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Well in Ireland.
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Delph hmmmm. Westwood playing well.
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Delph on for Bannan. Not sure how impressed I am about that.
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Looking at Crouch's mush, I keep thinking he's going to yell "yeee-haw" and spit that tobacco in a dog's face.
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Bannan been a bit of a mixed bag today for me. Some passes very wayward. Set piece delivery not great either.
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Wigan equalise.
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Come on Villa nick this
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Crouch on. I'm not saying anything about that.
We aint had a Crouchie thread for a while...
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We've looked rubbish since Bent and Ireland came on...
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Crouch on. I'm not saying anything about that.
We aint had a Crouchie thread for a while...
Apparently, he's good on the deck for a big man.
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Stoke are rubbish but we have more experience.!! C'mon Villa..Let's see a proper pass!
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They're looking like they could pinch this. We've gone off the boil
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Bannan been a bit of a mixed bag today for me. Some passes very wayward. Set piece delivery not great either.
He gave the ball away twice I think? and wasted one free kick in particular. Was very involved though so i'm sure ratio wise it was pretty good.
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We look more likely to find the cure for AIDS than win this.
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A goal would be especially sweet if Bent scored now....
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No chance was that a foul.
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Bannan been a bit of a mixed bag today for me. Some passes very wayward. Set piece delivery not great either.
He gave the ball away twice I think? and wasted one free kick in particular. Was very involved though so i'm sure ratio wise it was pretty good.
You're right - he wasn't all bad but he's been so good recently that I expect more from him these days.
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A goal would be especially sweet if Bent scored now....
I'd take any goal
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We're looking like we've settled for a point
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Lichaj is terrible.
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We're looking like we've settled for a point
Let's hope Lambert doesn't punch the air in triumph like his predecessor.
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COMPOSURE!
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Come on Villa.
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lichaj again. Not good enough.
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If we had a left back who could play today we'd be a threat.
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Need to get Ireland on the ball
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Benteke will score with last head of the game.
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A goal would be especially sweet if Bent scored now....
I'd take any goal
Me too, I can see us conceeding though
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Did well on Jerome there.
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lichaj again. Not good enough.
OK so he is decent defending but two good attacks fell down because of him.
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Lichaj hasn't been too bad really. Lacks quality on the ball but has defended well and got forward well.
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A goal would be especially sweet if Bent scored now....
I'd take any goal
Me too, I can see us conceeding though
Don't say that!
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The beer is quite good up stoke way..There is some consolation??
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Squeaky bum time
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Birtles loving Clark and Baker.
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We are the draw kings..no one can touch us there!!
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No that's a silly throw to give away in the last minute.
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red card for Shitton
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About time
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Brilliant. Stoke down to 10 men with 30 seconds left.
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no more of those long throws now
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Bent just doesn't fit anymore. We have become impotent since he came on.
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Disappointed to see Southampton getting another good win.
Think we needed a win today
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A point..crap and crap..it is a point. fed up of saying could be worse..this is baad! but a good point.
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Bent just doesn't fit anymore. We have become impotent since he came on.
He's fine in a more "traditional" setup, but the game has moved on, and if we are to compete we have to look away from the standard 4-4-2, even if that means him not playing.
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whats the suicide rate like in Stoke? Gotta be close to Bridgends.
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Bent just doesn't fit anymore. We have become impotent since he came on.
To be fair, as a club, we've been a bit limp-dicked all season.
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Possibly the least surprising 0-0 ever. Deservedly last on Match of the Day I'd say.
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We could be 12th with a win today!! says it all.
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Fuck stoke. They're a disgrace to the game.
Shitty place, shitty fans, shitty stadium, shitty players, shitty manager.
We should be winning games like this at home though. 2 points dropped I think.