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Title: Can anyone help?
Post by: Virgil Caine on December 02, 2012, 01:03:38 PM
This request is to any H&V subscriber who can remember the Villa v Cardiff Boxing Day match I think in 1968. We won 2-0 and debutant Brian Tiler scored. The Birmingham Evening Mail took a photo of a crowded Holte End and a on it is an 11 year old My Left Foot with his long departed Dad, God Bless him. If you have a copy of this photo/cutting and able to scan and send me I would be very appreciative as it is a very happy memory I could pass on to MLF junior.I have in the past tried The Birmingham Mail archive dept and they weren't helpful to say the least.

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Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 02, 2012, 01:05:40 PM
Try the Birmingham library archives section. They'll definitely have it there.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Ron Manager on December 02, 2012, 03:06:24 PM
Yes it will be in there but you will have to find it on a roll . However I have to come into Brum either tommorrow or Tuesday so if you like I will have a look for you.

Unless of course you want to do it yourself (its quite exciting) its on the fifth floor . Ask the staff on the desk if they can help you.

Some are OK and a few are from another planet.

PM me if you want me to sort it out.

Tiler scored with a header cant think who got the other possibly Brian Greenhalgh. I remember it was freezing
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Legion on December 02, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Couldn't you contact the club as it would more than likely be in our archives?
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 02, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
I don't think the club have Mail photos. 

A word of warning for anyone who ever looks at the library's local newspaper archives. Apart from the reduced opening hours during the move to the new place, always allow yourself at least four times longer than you think you'll need. It's impossible to go in there and only look at what you want; you will always find yourself distracted. 
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Ron Manager on December 02, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
I don't think the club have Mail photos. 

A word of warning for anyone who ever looks at the library's local newspaper archives. Apart from the reduced opening hours during the move to the new place, always allow yourself at least four times longer than you think you'll need. It's impossible to go in there and only look at what you want; you will always find yourself distracted.

How true, how very true!
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: PGW on December 02, 2012, 03:23:22 PM
Remember this game well Barry Hole got the first goal - a header from the edge of the box.....a goal he celebrated to excess!!!
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Ron Manager on December 02, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
Remember this game well Barry Hole got the first goal - a header from the edge of the box.....a goal he celebrated to excess!!!

He's up he's down he's in the Rose and Crown Barrie Hole Barrie Hole!

For younger viewers Barrie was Welsh and liked a drink....remind you of anyone
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 02, 2012, 04:10:14 PM


He's up he's down he's in the Rose and Crown Barrie Hole Barrie Hole!

For younger viewers Barrie was Welsh and liked a drink....remind you of anyone
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Dylan Thomas???

I was at that game and have fond memories. My first white Christmas and I think it was the only game I ever went to with both my dad and my grandad. I remember the area outside the Trinity enclosure being treacherous and my grandad going arse over tit. And Christmas is all the more enjoyable if we win on Boxing Day.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 02, 2012, 04:59:22 PM
The Docs 2nd game in charge, nearly 40,000 watching Brian Tiler score on his debut on a snow covered pitch.
RIP Toby Tiler, if he was still alive maybe he would been on the touchline alongside Harry Redknapp yesterday.



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Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Ron Manager on December 02, 2012, 05:45:13 PM


He's up he's down he's in the Rose and Crown Barrie Hole Barrie Hole!

For younger viewers Barrie was Welsh and liked a drink....remind you of anyone

Dylan Thomas???

I was at that game and have fond memories. My first white Christmas and I think it was the only game I ever went to with both my dad and my grandad. I remember the area outside the Trinity enclosure being treacherous and my grandad going arse over tit. And Christmas is all the more enjoyable if we win on Boxing Day.
[/quote]

I was thinking of James Collins Pat.   Dylan Thomas  was a Premiership winning lush!
Come to think about it so was Richard Burton.
What is it about the Welsh and drink?
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Virgil Caine on December 02, 2012, 06:08:00 PM
It makes the sheep seem more attractive?

Apologies to all Welsh Villa supporters, and thank you to all respondents- Birmingham Library Archive will be visited soon.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: BegbieAV on December 02, 2012, 06:22:24 PM
Sorry I can't help you out, but it was my first game at Villa Park, I was 6 years old, can't remember too much about the game but I remember the snow piled up around the pitch and I remember having a swig of whiskey from uncles hip flask at half time.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: claret and blue blood on December 02, 2012, 08:01:29 PM
Remember it well, I was 13 at the time, it was the Doc's second game in charge, we'd beaten Norwich the week before and Boxing Day (my Birthday) was a typical packed Holte end roaring on the team, we beat Carlisle away 1-0 in the next game to make it 3 straight wins. Wish I could help with the photo- good luck !
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 02, 2012, 08:16:42 PM
Remember it well, I was 13 at the time, it was the Doc's second game in charge, we'd beaten Norwich the week before and Boxing Day (my Birthday) was a typical packed Holte end roaring on the team, we beat Carlisle away 1-0 in the next game to make it 3 straight wins. Wish I could help with the photo- good luck !

We had 5 straight wins from when the Doc arrived, we knocked QPR out the cup. I'm not sure about the 5th win, may have been Huddersfield at home?
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: claret and blue blood on December 02, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
Remember it well, I was 13 at the time, it was the Doc's second game in charge, we'd beaten Norwich the week before and Boxing Day (my Birthday) was a typical packed Holte end roaring on the team, we beat Carlisle away 1-0 in the next game to make it 3 straight wins. Wish I could help with the photo- good luck !

We had 5 straight wins from when the Doc arrived, we knocked QPR out the cup. I'm not sure about the 5th win, may have been Huddersfield at home?
I think you're right, I'd forgotten about the QPR game, the thing I can remember was Barry Hole scoring against Norwich in Doc's first game, that match I was stood on the Witton end where he scored ! The Doc came to our school Holte Grammar with Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe ? a few months later and addressed our assembly, making his famous remark about  40,000 of us turning up to watch the shirts dry on the line !
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Oscar Arce on December 02, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
I remember this game well.
It was on a frozen pitch, unplayable today, the Villa groundstaff had covered it with straw and it was all around theedge of the pitch. Tiler scored his goal and celebrated in front of the Holte End, it was a header ad the best it got really for Brian, he never really won over the fans particularly as Docherty signed him and made him captain straight away on his debut.
That was the start of the great Villa comeback.
As Andy said, Redknapp was Tiler's best mate, he was in charge at Bournemouth when they both took heir ill-fated trip to the World Cup. RIP.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 03, 2012, 01:13:40 AM


He's up he's down he's in the Rose and Crown Barrie Hole Barrie Hole!

For younger viewers Barrie was Welsh and liked a drink....remind you of anyone

Dylan Thomas???

I was at that game and have fond memories. My first white Christmas and I think it was the only game I ever went to with both my dad and my grandad. I remember the area outside the Trinity enclosure being treacherous and my grandad going arse over tit. And Christmas is all the more enjoyable if we win on Boxing Day.

I was thinking of James Collins Pat.   Dylan Thomas  was a Premiership winning lush!
Come to think about it so was Richard Burton.
What is it about the Welsh and drink?[/quote]

As opposed to the Scots, Irish and indeed the English?
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 03, 2012, 08:40:14 AM
My three sons are called Tyler, Kurtis and Lewis, after Brian, George (and Mayfield) and Chatterley. It was only after I named lewis that I discovered that that wasn't actually Chatterley's christian name.
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: bob rowe on December 03, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
Wasn't Lew Chatterleys real name Lawson?
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Dr Butler on December 03, 2012, 10:56:15 AM
My first ever game, Great -Grandfather, Grand-father, Dad and his 5 brothers and assorted cousins all went and stood on the Holte, I just about remember it.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: Ron Manager on December 03, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
Wasn't Lew Chatterleys real name Lawson?

Certainly was and still is!
Title: Re: Can anyone help?
Post by: E I Adio on December 05, 2012, 10:36:58 PM
I remember the match and the goal well. (Although I was standing on the Holte, not sitting in a nice comfortable warm seat in the Trinity ALITA.)

The start of yet another false dawn.
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