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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ozzjim on November 29, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
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Should we sign 3-4 players come January, which of the youngsters do you feel would benefit most from a loan move?
First up for me, and following another thread about the discussion of "that" cross the other night, Albrighton. He is a Villa boy, and loves pulling on the shirt, so I would like to see him get 6 months on loan second half of the season to a Championship club that can help him rebuild his very shallow confidence, get him running past full backs again and delivering the ball without fear. From such a promising start, he has stood still for a long time, and 6 months on loan would make or break him. Maybe somewhere like Palace where Holloway likes wingers and he might get him going.
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Should we sign 3-4 players come January, which of the youngsters do you feel would benefit most from a loan move?
First up for me, and following another thread about the discussion of "that" cross the other night, Albrighton. He is a Villa boy, and loves pulling on the shirt, so I would like to see him get 6 months on loan second half of the season to a Championship club that can help him rebuild his very shallow confidence, get him running past full backs again and delivering the ball without fear. From such a promising start, he has stood still for a long time, and 6 months on loan would make or break him. Maybe somewhere like Palace where Holloway likes wingers and he might get him going.
yep, him, Enda Stevens (if Bennett is fully fit) and Samir Carruthers come to mind. Also, depending on what happens to Bent and if we bring in another forward Weimann and Bowery could do with a spell in the Championship. Weimann's developing well but he could do with some goals. I think we need another forward alongside Benteke and Gabby that is more of a pure finisher. Shame Bent isn't that bloke off course.
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Think Marc need a loan move to somewhere, Derby County or something like that.
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Albrighton, Delph, Carruthers, Bent......
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We used to have a 'Loan Watch' thread - whatever happened to that. It would be interesting to get reports of how Johnson, Cameron etc are getting on.
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I'm not sure a loan move will make the difference for Albrighton - I just don't think he's good enough sadly.
Carruthers needs to go out on loan - he's looked decent when he's come on but his appearances have been far too limited. He needs to get some match experience.
Delph - read Albrighton.
Bowery - I was talking to a Chesterfield fan today who said Bowery wasn't very good for them and he's no idea why we bought him. Send him out on loan and see what happens.
Stevens - yes, send out on loan. Not sure he'll ever be good enough for the top flight but giving him some experience in the Championship can't do any harm.
Baker - I'd send him out too. I'm not convinced he's top flight material either but it would be good to see him get experience of some of the strikers in the 2nd tier.
Wiemann - nope. I think he's good enough to play for us regularly so no need to send him out.
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Assuming we sign an inside forward, I'd controversially send Weimann out on loan. I think he's got bags of ability and do not want to see him on the bench for the remainder of the season. I think he needs games right now and it'll also give Bowery a chance to get ten minutes every now and again, plus reintroduce Nzogbia into the fold (is he injured?).
If Dunne comes back then the same for Baker.
Obviously Carruthers and the others that have not featured so far would be better getting games than playing U21 football.
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Assuming we sign an inside forward, I'd controversially send Weimann out on loan. I think he's got bags of ability and do not want to see him on the bench for the remainder of the season. I think he needs games right now and it'll also give Bowery a chance to get ten minutes every now and again, plus reintroduce Nzogbia into the fold (is he injured?).
If Dunne comes back then the same for Baker.
Obviously Carruthers and the others that have not featured so far would be better getting games than playing U21 football.
He has a knee injury, due back in time for the Stoke game last I heard
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I'd loan Weimann too. I said this on the other loan thread - he's so close to being good enough for us, that if he went on loan and smashed a few goals in somewhere he'd come back more or less the finished article IMO.
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I'd loan Weimann too. I said this on the other loan thread - he's so close to being good enough for us, that if he went on loan and smashed a few goals in somewhere he'd come back more or less the finished article IMO.
Right now, he stands out like the weak link in the team, yet his raw ingredients suggest he could be quality once he's played a bit more, but not in his current wide role.
In the future I see him more as a - dare I say it - false nine. Nominally identified as the striker but using his movement and ability to drop deep and move the defence about, meanwhile backed up by his poacher instincts when he is in central areas.
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Doesn't look like a false nine to me. Fantastic movement but pretty poor vision and link up play.
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Maybe Roberto Keane till the end of the season, or on an 18 month deal might bridge a gap until Weimanns more complete. Certainly, he'd fit in well in the side when Bent leaves. He's a very good finisher but his play from deep too could really make a difference. I think he'd do even better now with PL's style of football too.
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Doesn't look like a false nine to me. Fantastic movement but pretty poor vision and link up play.
Sadly I agree. Rather he'd play wide striker. During Stuart Baxter era Jonatan Johansson scored lots of goals for Finland from that role. Defended as a right winger, made runs towards goal instead of the corner flag etc.
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Fantastic.
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Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), anyone?
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Daniel Johnson was out on loan with Yeovil but was taken off after 36 minutes in his last match and was returned to us early. The Fonz doesnt seem to be ripping up any trees at Blackpool.
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I'm not sure a loan move will make the difference for Albrighton - I just don't think he's good enough sadly.
Carruthers needs to go out on loan - he's looked decent when he's come on but his appearances have been far too limited. He needs to get some match experience.
Delph - read Albrighton.
Bowery - I was talking to a Chesterfield fan today who said Bowery wasn't very good for them and he's no idea why we bought him. Send him out on loan and see what happens.
Stevens - yes, send out on loan. Not sure he'll ever be good enough for the top flight but giving him some experience in the Championship can't do any harm.
Baker - I'd send him out too. I'm not convinced he's top flight material either but it would be good to see him get experience of some of the strikers in the 2nd tier.
Wiemann - nope. I think he's good enough to play for us regularly so no need to send him out.
We'd have about two subs left every week.
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The Fonz doesnt seem to be ripping up any trees at Blackpool.
Are you surprised?
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The Fonz doesnt seem to be ripping up any trees at Blackpool.
Are you surprised?
Not really. Yet when he returns to the club I am sure there will some saying "he needs a run of games in the team" even though he has proved he's not really up to Championship standard.
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I'm not sure a loan move will make the difference for Albrighton - I just don't think he's good enough sadly.
Carruthers needs to go out on loan - he's looked decent when he's come on but his appearances have been far too limited. He needs to get some match experience.
Delph - read Albrighton.
Bowery - I was talking to a Chesterfield fan today who said Bowery wasn't very good for them and he's no idea why we bought him. Send him out on loan and see what happens.
Stevens - yes, send out on loan. Not sure he'll ever be good enough for the top flight but giving him some experience in the Championship can't do any harm.
Baker - I'd send him out too. I'm not convinced he's top flight material either but it would be good to see him get experience of some of the strikers in the 2nd tier.
Wiemann - nope. I think he's good enough to play for us regularly so no need to send him out.
We'd have about two subs left every week.
Didn't this thread start with 'Should we sign 3-4 players in January...'?
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Delph surely?
He's only going to be in fits and starts here for the rest of the season so I'd send him off somewhere and hope he dosen't come back injured again.
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We won't sign 3 or 4 players in January. One at the most however Albrighton and Delph should go on loan.
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I'm not sure Albrighton has ever gone past full backs. In any case getting him up to speed again as a winger isn't much use to us when the manager has stated he doesn't want to play with out and out wingers. One assumes he needs to be able to play the role just behind the strikers if Lambert is going to play him.
I don't see any logic in loaning out Weimann, he's had his off days and moments, but generally has looked more likely to get on the scoresheet regularly than anyone except Benteke. A bad miss on Tuesday but he's getting into the positions and has been unlucky on a few occasions this season - woodwork against Everton, a shot cleared off the line v Swansea, offside against the Arse, brilliant stop by De Gea. Keep him in, let him gain in confidence and I reckon he'll be fine for us.
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We won't sign 3 or 4 players in January. One at the most however Albrighton and Delph should go on loan.
One at the most? In the summer we signed nine players.
Why do you think that all of a sudden we won't sign anybody?
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I'm not sure Albrighton has ever gone past full backs. In any case getting him up to speed again as a winger isn't much use to us when the manager has stated he doesn't want to play with out and out wingers. One assumes he needs to be able to play the role just behind the strikers if Lambert is going to play him.
The only time I'd suggest a loan for Weimann is if we signed a real inside forward. Basically I do not want to see him sat on the bench. He's definitely good enough for us but if we cannot provide him with the games then I would prefer to see him ripping up the championship than sat on the bench. He needs games right now.
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The Fonz doesnt seem to be ripping up any trees at Blackpool.
Are you surprised?
Not really. Yet when he returns to the club I am sure there will some saying "he needs a run of games in the team" even though he has proved he's not really up to Championship standard.
Er, he's proving that he's more than up to Championship standard. He's scored a few goals, is starting most matches and had Holloway singing his praises the other week before he left.
Weimann is starting at the moment so I don't understand why people are worrying about him being benched and not getting any games.
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I think a front man will be last on Lamberts mind. Even if Bent is sold, he'll (hopefully) be looking firstly at sorting out midfield and defence. He rates Gabby, he certainly seems to rate Weimann too. I don't think he's too worried about throwing in Bowery if he had too.
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We won't sign 3 or 4 players in January. One at the most however Albrighton and Delph should go on loan.
One at the most? In the summer we signed nine players.
Why do you think that all of a sudden we won't sign anybody?
Summer was different with a new manager new philosophy. Now we need to settle down and consolidate. This will not happen if we keep bringing in new players to try. Any signing in January will have to be exact medicine where we need it.
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Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), anyone?
Yes please.
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I'm not sure Albrighton has ever gone past full backs. In any case getting him up to speed again as a winger isn't much use to us when the manager has stated he doesn't want to play with out and out wingers. One assumes he needs to be able to play the role just behind the strikers if Lambert is going to play him.
The only time I'd suggest a loan for Weimann is if we signed a real inside forward. Basically I do not want to see him sat on the bench. He's definitely good enough for us but if we cannot provide him with the games then I would prefer to see him ripping up the championship than sat on the bench. He needs games right now.
Not sure why you're quoting my Albrighton comment to make a point about Weimann.
I agree with you about Weimann except when you said he's looked the weak link in the team - as my examples illustrate, he's been the one, aside from Benteke, regularly getting into good scoring positions, and has been unlucky not have 4 or 5 goals this season. I'd have him in ahead of Gabby every time.
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Not sure why you're quoting my Albrighton comment to make a point about Weimann.
The perils of posting after a few drinks.