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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Villa Werewolf on November 21, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
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http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/nov/paul-lambert-fined.aspx
Aston Villa manager to serve one-match touchline ban
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has admitted a breach of FA Rule E3.
It relates to language and/or behaviour amounting to improper conduct following his side’s game at Manchester City on 17 November 2012.
Lambert accepted the standard penalty for the charge and will now serve a one-match touchline ban to commence with immediate effect.
He has also been fined £8,000.
Words fail me.
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Let's hope it has the same effect as when Gregory got his touchline ban.
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So the 8ucking blind linesman cost us a pen and £8000 for Paul to pay...Great!
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So this was presumably for complaining about an incompetent linesman waving his flag furiously to give a penalty for a non-existent handball. Wonder if that official got anything by way of a reprimand - or will he just be spoiling someone else's game this weekend.
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So he wont be on the touchline for the Arsenal game that's all we need.
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Rather he was banned for the Arsenal game than the Reading game the following Tuesday.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
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They have walkie talkies dont they? If not I will hop into Maplins (when the rain stops) and get him one. Agree its far more important hes on the bench for the Reading game.
If that linesman has a game this weekend it will show how morally corrupt the game has become.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
True! The pointing at the watch thing particularly boils my piss, yet nothing is done about it.
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Also according to Tim Abraham from the E&S the linesman in question looks to have been dropped from this weeks games ...
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Also according to Tim Abraham from the E&S the linesman in question looks to have been dropped from this weeks games ...
Quite right as well. Should be a month out in my opinion.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
To be honest this kind of thing is killing my interest. I hate the way the game has become a sky four lovefest. I hate that we were reduced to chasing that dream when in fact we already have won pretty much all there is to win and should be up there in any case.
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Outrageous.
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The managers are obliged to come and talk to the press after a game. The press ask obvious questions about the flash-points in the game, the manager in this case gives his honest opinion. Again, which what the press want. He then gets done for it. A load of horseshit.
Make the fucking match officials explain themselves in public rather than punishing a manager for stating his opinion which happens to be the truth.
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Lambert didn't contest the assistant referee's parentage or anything like that. A far as I am aware he only said in public that he made a mistake but that's part of the game. That was only stating the obvious. I wouldn't mind betting it was a report by the fourth official about what was said at the time that resulted in this ban.
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E3 is for things that are said in the technical area or tunnel to the match officials.
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This is ridiculous. Lambert's (reported) remarks were very restrained in the circumstances. I'm fairly mild-mannered and I'd have been apoplectic!
It also means , in essence, that there can be no criticism of officials which is without reason and is unacceptable.
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It won't make a difference.
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E3 is for things that are said in the technical area or tunnel to the match officials.
I can't blame him. Fucking idiots.
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Does he want to borrow my seat in Trinity Lower C2?
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
Perfectly articulated response to this nonsense.
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
What?
Like.... "You stupid f**kin brainless gormless c**t of a linesman! Anybody who thinks its handball when my player takes their arm down about 5 minutes before the ball reaches them isn't fit to officiate a f**kin subbuteo game. I ought to kick your balls in then come round your house and burn it down. You make Phil Dowd look like a lifelong Villa fanatic you f**kin retard!"
At least a good £8k worth there I reckon.
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The managers are obliged to come and talk to the press after a game. The press ask obvious questions about the flash-points in the game, the manager in this case gives his honest opinion. Again, which what the press want. He then gets done for it. A load of horseshit.
Make the fucking match officials explain themselves in public rather than punishing a manager for stating his opinion which happens to be the truth.
They were discussing this on that sports radio channel everyone hates but appears to listen to as not much else on when driving home from work, and a few rang in saying that we should mic up the linesmen and the refs how they do in Rugby so we can hear what is being said between them and the players, and know why decisions have been made. It also means they are held to account for the stupid ones. I really liked the idea.
The fine for Lambert is the final piss take in the whole thing last weekend, and nothing will convince me that a lot of money has not gone into the FA coffers to ensure certain sides are protected.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time.
It's exactly the same kind of bias that lead to the ridiculous penalty, it's something that goes through the FA from top to bottom.
"Whatever you do, don't piss off the big clubs" seems to be the unspoken rule.
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Like my mate says, The linesman are virtually untouchable, ****** the lot of them, the officials in this country are a fucking disgrace
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If i were Lambert I'd have bricked the windows on his car and shit on the drivers seat
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
No He can not of said anything as bad as that decision, even if he called him a cheat.
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
No He can not of said anything as bad as that decision, even if he called him a cheat.
Yes he can have said something that warranted the ban. Same as the linesman deserves to be demoted for his decision.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
i think the fa are dicks, but lambert admitted it. ferguson and the others would have challenged it.
he's probably got enough on his plate with the norwich tribunal.
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it's ace. First offence and he gets a ban, yet Wenger,Ferguson etc practically threaten the lives of officials yet they walk away scot almost every time. Kind of ironic really with Arsenal coming to VP this weekend.
Perfectly articulated response to this nonsense.
Agreed. It's a scandalous double-standard.
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Also according to Tim Abraham from the E&S the linesman in question looks to have been dropped from this weeks games ...
Which makes the decision to fine Lambert even more baffling.
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I'm getting very close to giving up, I just don't see the point of kicking against the pricks anymore.
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Where on earth do they pluck the figure £8000 from and where does this money go ?
Are AVFC likely to cover this for lambert ?
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Also according to Tim Abraham from the E&S the linesman in question looks to have been dropped from this weeks games ...
Which makes the decision to fine Lambert even more baffling.
Why? Just because the linesman was wrong doesn't give Lambert free reign to say what he likes. And we don't know what he said at the time. If anything for once it looks like they might show some consistency. Linesman fucks up and is punished by being demoted for x amount of time. Lambert breaches a rule and is also punished.
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
No He can not of said anything as bad as that decision, even if he called him a cheat.
Yes he can have said something that warranted the ban. Same as the linesman deserves to be demoted for his decision.
Rooney and his cohorts from the Sky 4 can aggressively hurl a volley of fucks in the direction of officials week in week out without any comeback for even minor decisions.
I don't really care what Lambert said to the linesman or 4th official in this particular instance as whatever it was was completely correct as long as it included blind, useless, fucking and c*** x 10.
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Only thing that surprises me is that Wiemann did not get charged as well, i am sure he must have said a few choice words to.
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Good job Andy Lochhead wasnt on the pitch. He would have regalled the ref with a few of the many Scottish phrases of violent abuse in his considerable repertoire and then got sent off.
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It depends what he said. He may fully deserve it regardless of how crap a decision the penalty was.
What?
Like.... "You stupid f**kin brainless gormless c**t of a linesman! Anybody who thinks its handball when my player takes their arm down about 5 minutes before the ball reaches them isn't fit to officiate a f**kin subbuteo game. I ought to kick your balls in then come round your house and burn it down. You make Phil Dowd look like a lifelong Villa fanatic you f**kin retard!"
At least a good £8k worth there I reckon.
I would give a weeks wages towards his fine if he did say that, no probs.
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How PWS can you agree that what PL said regardless of what he says deserves a ban and a fine, when Red nose wanker and Asre wipe come out in the after match interview accusing the ref , 4 th official tea lady of all sorts of things if the decisions go against them and the FA which stands for Fuck all do nothing every single time, when was the last time red nose tosser got banned, yet he can tell the premier league who is fit to ref his games and who is not.All those that siad the game is going to hell in a hand cart are spot on and this is just further proof.
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Where on earth do they pluck the figure £8000 from and where does this money go ?
Are AVFC likely to cover this for lambert ?
It's the standard fine for that particular offence. It decreases as you go down the leagues, it's £2000 in the championship for example.
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How PWS can you agree that what PL said regardless of what he says deserves a ban and a fine, when Red nose wanker and Asre wipe come out in the after match interview accusing the ref , 4 th official tea lady of all sorts of things if the decisions go against them and the FA which stands for Fuck all do nothing every single time, when was the last time red nose tosser got banned
Last year he was given a five match touchline ban for saying nasty things about Martin Atkinson.
So probably then.
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How PWS can you agree that what PL said regardless of what he says deserves a ban and a fine, when Red nose wanker and Asre wipe come out in the after match interview accusing the ref , 4 th official tea lady of all sorts of things if the decisions go against them and the FA which stands for Fuck all do nothing every single time, when was the last time red nose tosser got banned, yet he can tell the premier league who is fit to ref his games and who is not.All those that siad the game is going to hell in a hand cart are spot on and this is just further proof.
March last year.
Sir Alex Ferguson has been banned from the touchline for Manchester United's next five matches and will have to watch the FA Cup semi-final from the stands after being found guilty of improper conduct at a Football Association hearing.
Ferguson has also been fined £30,000 after the FA decided to take a hardline stance over his decision to fight the charge rather than accept he had gone too far in his criticisms of the referee Martin Atkinson after the defeat at Chelsea earlier this month.
Ferguson's ban does not start until 22 March, meaning he will be available for Bolton Wanderers's visit to Old Trafford on Saturday. Therefore his ban will start with a trip to West Ham, followed by a home match against Fulham and the all-Manchester semi-final at Wembley. However, Ferguson already had a suspended two-match touchline ban hanging over him from a previous charge, when he had accused Alan Wiley of being physically unfit to referee in the Premier League.
That has now been invoked, meaning Ferguson will also be banned from United's dugout in a home game against Everton and the visit to Arsenal.
The case against Ferguson was that he alleged bias on Atkinson's part by saying that he should not have been appointed for the Chelsea game because the occasion demanded "a fair referee." Ferguson, who had been incensed by Atkinson's officiating of a 2-1 defeat for the Premier League leaders, had decided to fight the charge against the recommendation of United's legal advisers.
Ferguson has 48 hours to appeal.
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In fairness Ferguson had got away with it on many, many occasions and pushed it to the limit and beyond. He got that ban on the back of repeat offence after repeat offence. Had Lambert just got the fine it would have been harsh, but a ban is ludicrous and in light of the fact he is completely correct in what he was protesting about.
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While he may have been justified moaning about it we have no idea what he said. Just because he may not do it often doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished if he blew his top. And Lambert has admitted and accepted it judging by the fine and ban.
As it was an E3 infringement it means it took place in the tunnel and/or technical area. So again, we have absolutely no idea what he said.
As for the punishment being harsh, it's standard E3 which includes abusive and insulting language.
FA standard penalties (http://www.thefa.com/~/media/Files/TheFAPortal/governance-docs/analysis/standard-penalties.ashx)
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My problem with this is that Lambert being banned and why he's been banned (not specifics mind) is public knowledge but the linesman, whilst not involved in games this weekend, appears to be serving an undefined demotion/suspension. There is nothing to suggest why (or even confirm that is the case, he could be missing for another reason), acknowledge the error, or suggest that it's something that shouldn't have happened.
The lack of clarity in officiating in football is one of the key reasons for the contempt they're held in, I mentioned it on the Dowd thread and Ozz mentions it here, being able to hear the comms between the officials (they're already using the equipment, it's just not made public) would serve 2 purposes.
1. there'd be an instant recognition of reasons for the decision.
2. the players could be picked up on it, hopefully stopping them surrounding the ref, etc.
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My problem with this is that Lambert being banned and why he's been banned (not specifics mind) is public knowledge but the linesman, whilst not involved in games this weekend, appears to be serving an undefined demotion/suspension. There is nothing to suggest why (or even confirm that is the case, he could be missing for another reason), acknowledge the error, or suggest that it's something that shouldn't have happened.
The lack of clarity in officiating in football is one of the key reasons for the contempt they're held in, I mentioned it on the Dowd thread and Ozz mentions it here, being able to hear the comms between the officials (they're already using the equipment, it's just not made public) would serve 2 purposes.
1. there'd be an instant recognition of reasons for the decision.
2. the players could be picked up on it, hopefully stopping them surrounding the ref, etc.
I also can't for the life of me understand why football hasn't learned from rugby and let the comms between the ref, linesmen and players public. As you say Paul, the technology is there but I don't think the FA would want to upset the sky 4.
And another thing that really winds me up about punishments for surrounding the referee and mass confrontation - behaviour which Man U players seem to be prone to. A £20k fine to a big club is a piss in the ocean. What about deducting a point or points from clubs whose players do this? That would stop it.
I think in the circumstances of the decision against us our players behaved very well.
I think at the same time as charging Lambert, the FA should also say whether any sanction has been applied to the linesman involved and the referee as he could and should have over-ruled the linesman. But then again, that would be admitting that they both made bad mistakes and that wouldn't do, would it?
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Frankly, I'm struggling to believe anybody in that tunnel could understand a word Lambert said. One of them must have been Scotch.