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Title: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: DBTW on November 12, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
We all think we have the right to criticise a referee or assistant for their decisions on a matchday.

here's your chance to see if you really do know best

 Do the test (http://www.ultralase.com/vites/referee-theory-test)
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: itbrvilla on November 12, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
6 out of 12 League 1 Ref
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
That's really good, which is more than can be said about my score.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Mazrim on November 12, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
8 out of 12
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: DBTW on November 12, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
I got 8/12
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2012, 12:51:07 PM
8 for me as well.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Mazrim on November 12, 2012, 12:52:50 PM
And if I got 1 right, I'd still claim the right to call the parentage of the referee into question.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Dr Butler on November 12, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
and I thought I knew it all.....4/12

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: itbrvilla on November 12, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
Shame their are no answers. Wasn't sure about the penalty ones. I always thought a player couldn't hit a rebound from the post or cross bar if he was the initial taker.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 12, 2012, 01:05:10 PM
4
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Post by: Newquay_AVFC on November 12, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
Oh dear i got 4.
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Post by: London Villan on November 12, 2012, 01:14:32 PM
7, where are the answers?!?
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 12, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
8/12.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: CJ on November 12, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
Embarrassed I only got 5  :-[
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: QBVILLA on November 12, 2012, 01:24:34 PM
8/12. However, I reffed an under 10s game of the team i used to coach and can quite easily say it was the worst refereeing performance ever . At one point I forgot I had the whistle. After awarding my team a free kick for a blatant foul I was called a cheat (despite it being in the last five minutes, being 7-1 down and the fact i'd awarded them a penalty earlier on) by one of the dad's. Instead of turning the other cheek I left the field of play to remonstrate with the fat fecker. Never again would I do that job. Playing the game is a damn sight easier than reffing and respect to anyone who refs at amateur level as I can't for the life of me see how any enjoyment can be gained. I was one of the very few coaches at youth level who had a policy of subbing any of the kids who showed dissent to refs, but some of the abuse I witnessed from opposition players and parents was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: QBVILLA on November 12, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
Shame their are no answers. Wasn't sure about the penalty ones. I always thought a player couldn't hit a rebound from the post or cross bar if he was the initial taker.

He can't but a team mate can. The answer to that one was not allowed to head it.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: He wears a magic hat on November 12, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
It's all so easy to blame the referee and its an easy get out for most premiership managers.

It has become one of my pet hates. for example The now infamous match between Chelsea and Man ure with Mark Clattenberg as ref. RDM spent his entire interview criticising the ref about decision he has a split second to make. He does this after watching half a dozen slow mentions from about half a dozen different angles.

At no stage did he blame Gary Cahill for making the split second decision to mark the space and try to cut out the cross instead of RVP a decision that cost them a goal. At no stage did he blame Ivanevic for deliberate fouling Young knowing that there would be only one outcome.

Its getting beyond a joke time to stop blaming the ref and get on with the game
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: johnny from donny on November 12, 2012, 01:56:33 PM
got 7 league 1 ref, would like to know the answers though
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: lovejoy on November 12, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
7
proves nothing though - very unlikely scenarios.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Dave Javu on November 12, 2012, 02:54:59 PM
5/12.

Premier League referees get top wages. We should therefore get top performances from them.

We don't, usually.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: jeff on November 12, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
9/12 Championship ref
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: flybo on November 12, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
6 for me
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 12, 2012, 03:10:17 PM
6 out of 12. Wish I knew what the correct answers are.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
It's all so easy to blame the referee and its an easy get out for most premiership managers.

It has become one of my pet hates. for example The now infamous match between Chelsea and Man ure with Mark Clattenberg as ref. RDM spent his entire interview criticising the ref about decision he has a split second to make. He does this after watching half a dozen slow mentions from about half a dozen different angles.

At no stage did he blame Gary Cahill for making the split second decision to mark the space and try to cut out the cross instead of RVP a decision that cost them a goal. At no stage did he blame Ivanevic for deliberate fouling Young knowing that there would be only one outcome.

Its getting beyond a joke time to stop blaming the ref and get on with the game

Agree.  Why admit that you have made mistakes or maybe are not good enough, when you take the easy way out and blame someone else.  I must admit that it is a side of the game that I don't like and I much prefer the way officials are treated in sports such as rugby and cricket.  I don't think the situation in football is helped by the witch hunts that often take place after games in the Sky studio where every decision is pored over and criticised by people who have the advantage of seeing the incident from a number of camera angles and in slow motion. 
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: nicardinho on November 12, 2012, 03:41:25 PM
11. See you in the Premier League soon gentlemen.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: MonsXI on November 12, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
6/10

I ran the line at my sons game yesterday first time I've don't it for a few years and it real makes you appreciate the difficulty that officials face when making decisions. These lads are only 12/13 so I can't begin to imagine having to keep up with 22 premier lge players.

I flagged for offside when the opposition scored what would've made it 6-3 and got a lot of stick of their manager, the ref didn't give him a talking too and added that he thought it to be offside and my flag confirmed it. I hope my next turn with the flag is a good way off
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: DesBremner on November 12, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
9/12  gutted
Used to be a ref a few years back Midland Combination League, don't think i could or would do it now though.
Ran the line for the lads team a few times   ........"You should F***ing keep up with play linesman" etc etc and that was just the mom's........
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 12, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
Nine.
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Post by: dave shelley on November 12, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
10/12 and I'm fecked if I can find out which two I got wrong.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on November 12, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
8 as well
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on November 12, 2012, 06:32:34 PM

You scored 11 out of 12

Premier League Referee

Itching to know what I got wrong!
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Wilfred the Hairy on November 12, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
Shame their are no answers. Wasn't sure about the penalty ones. I always thought a player couldn't hit a rebound from the post or cross bar if he was the initial taker.

He can't but a team mate can. The answer to that one was not allowed to head it.

Whyever can't you head a penalty, if you really want to?
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: mr-villa on November 12, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Because the referee awards a Penalty Kick i presume
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: dave shelley on November 12, 2012, 06:50:49 PM
Shame their are no answers. Wasn't sure about the penalty ones. I always thought a player couldn't hit a rebound from the post or cross bar if he was the initial taker.

He can't but a team mate can. The answer to that one was not allowed to head it.

Whyever can't you head a penalty, if you really want to?

a) it is not playing within the spirit of the laws of the game.

b) it may be construed as dangerous play (to the taker)

c) its called a penalty kick
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 12, 2012, 06:51:33 PM
Yes especially if it is Phil Dowd
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
d) You'd have no chance of scoring, even with me in goal.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: dave shelley on November 12, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
Beat me to it mr-villa
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Wilfred the Hairy on November 12, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
Ah, so it's just a question of terminology, is it?

I don't see why it could be considered foul play.

And it would be a hell of a goal if it went in.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: danno on November 12, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
Ah, so it's just a question of terminology, is it?

I don't see why it could be considered foul play.

And it would be a hell of a goal if it went in.

the attempt alone would be hilarious, I'm imagining a run up and then a klinsman-esque dive at the ball...
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2012, 07:11:23 PM

You scored 11 out of 12

Premier League Referee

Itching to know what I got wrong!

Well as you have virtually got them all, post your answers and we can all compare.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2012, 07:48:38 PM
I got 4 then 7. Totally ashamed, although second time round I read the questions and answers far more carefully than first time.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 12, 2012, 07:48:55 PM
Jesus I'm too embarrassed to say
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: ez on November 12, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
7
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Post by: danlanza on November 12, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
5, thats me taking Phil Dowds job then.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: l_mckay on November 12, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
5/12 for me
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: ez on November 12, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: AndyB6 on November 12, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
5/12. And I only got two questions wrong on my referee's exam 15 years ago!!!
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Post by: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 08:35:42 PM
5/12 ouch.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: preston28 on November 12, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
3 out of 12.  :-[

League 2 referee - rather generous IMO.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 12, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
I'm amazed there isn't a man u version...when a man united player gets touched on the halfway line, do you a give a pen, send two players off from the other team one for touching the player and one for saying that's not a foul. Send the manager to the stand or abandon the game giving the other team a fifteen goal win, or all of the above
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 12, 2012, 09:01:17 PM
Sorry still a bit bitter
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.

Which one, the first?
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Post by: Lambert and Payne on November 12, 2012, 09:03:07 PM
1. Offside as the attacker has gained an advantage by standing in an offside position

2. The referee chooses the end

3. Ask the team with 11 players to nominate two players who will not take part in the penalty shootout

4. The referee, assistant referees and players

5. Dismiss the player, allowing him to be replaced by a substitute in the starting line-up

6. None of the above

7. Substitution

8. Dismiss the offending player and award a penalty kick as the incident took place in the penalty area

9. Retake the free kick

10. Offside in the centre of the pitch

11. Head the ball

12. 6 players


Not sure which one of those is wrong, think it maybe the retake the free kick one (9) because the ball has to leave the area, but it might be awarded as a corner kick. Going to fumble through again and see which one it is..
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on November 12, 2012, 09:04:58 PM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.

Which one, the first?

If it is the 1st one, then the rule is that when the striker played the ball he was offside, however I'm sure Davevillain or any other referee's will tell me thats wrong
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2012, 09:07:18 PM
1. Offside as the attacker has gained an advantage by standing in an offside position

2. The referee chooses the end

3. Ask the team with 11 players to nominate two players who will not take part in the penalty shootout

4. The referee, assistant referees and players

5. Dismiss the player, allowing him to be replaced by a substitute in the starting line-up

6. None of the above

7. Substitution

8. Dismiss the offending player and award a penalty kick as the incident took place in the penalty area

9. Retake the free kick

10. Offside in the centre of the pitch

11. Head the ball

12. 6 players


Not sure which one of those is wrong, think it maybe the retake the free kick one (9) because the ball has to leave the area, but it might be awarded as a corner kick. Going to fumble through again and see which one it is..

I got 8/12, yet had different answers to 2, 5, 9, only so I think it might be one of the others we both got "right"
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on November 12, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
1. Offside as the attacker has gained an advantage by standing in an offside position

2. The referee chooses the end

3. Ask the team with 11 players to nominate two players who will not take part in the penalty shootout

4. The referee, assistant referees and players

5. Dismiss the player, allowing him to be replaced by a substitute in the starting line-up

6. None of the above

7. Substitution

8. Dismiss the offending player and award a penalty kick as the incident took place in the penalty area

9. Retake the free kick

10. Offside in the centre of the pitch

11. Head the ball

12. 6 players


Not sure which one of those is wrong, think it maybe the retake the free kick one (9) because the ball has to leave the area, but it might be awarded as a corner kick. Going to fumble through again and see which one it is..

I got 8/12, yet had different answers to 2, 5, 9, only so I think it might be one of the others we both got "right"

See question 8 confuses me, I thought spitting was indirect free kick? Its definitely a red card offence..
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: steffo on November 12, 2012, 09:33:08 PM
My son (15) just got 12/12.

He did become a qualified ref 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: ez on November 12, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.

Which one, the first?
Doesn't say.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
Nine.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
Not sure which one of those is wrong, think it maybe the retake the free kick one (9) because the ball has to leave the area, but it might be awarded as a corner kick. Going to fumble through again and see which one it is..
That's what I thought, but as you say - the question wasn't worded very well. I was going to go retake, but then remember reading somewhere back in the day that it counts as a corner.

I differ from you in 2, 10 and 12. And following 60 seconds of research, you have those correct.

So it's definitely number nine that is wrong.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Lizz on November 12, 2012, 10:41:37 PM
3 out of 12.  :-[

League 2 referee - rather generous IMO.

Same here.
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Post by: curiousorange on November 12, 2012, 10:53:48 PM
5. And I've just gone blind and taken a call off my mother to give me some alarming news about my conception.
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Post by: Louzie0 on November 12, 2012, 11:21:32 PM
2 out of 12.  I'd like to know which ones I've got right.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Louzie0 on November 12, 2012, 11:38:38 PM
I've just gone back a page or 2 and discovered some answers. All I can say is, gosh, I never knew home or away was so important. Now I do - I change my answers to opposite the ones I got wrong.

But I still think the others were well offside.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: davevillan on November 13, 2012, 12:48:16 AM
1. Offside as the attacker has gained an advantage by standing in an offside position

2. The referee chooses the end

3. Ask the team with 11 players to nominate two players who will not take part in the penalty shootout

4. The referee, assistant referees and players

5. Dismiss the player, allowing him to be replaced by a substitute in the starting line-up

6. None of the above

7. Substitution

8. Dismiss the offending player and award a penalty kick as the incident took place in the penalty area

9. Retake the free kick

10. Offside in the centre of the pitch

11. Head the ball

12. 6 players


Not sure which one of those is wrong, think it maybe the retake the free kick one (9) because the ball has to leave the area, but it might be awarded as a corner kick. Going to fumble through again and see which one it is..

I got 8/12, yet had different answers to 2, 5, 9, only so I think it might be one of the others we both got "right"

See question 8 confuses me, I thought spitting was indirect free kick? Its definitely a red card offence..
The correct answer to 9 is corner kick..Tho number 2 is a bit confusing, the answer they are looking for is the ref chooses ends, which at local level he would do, but at pro level, they toss to choose ends and then toss again to see who goes first..Thats why in the Euros, there were 2 coin tosses prior to any penalty shoot outs.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: davevillan on November 13, 2012, 12:49:40 AM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.
The offside one is easy :-)
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: davevillan on November 13, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.

Which one, the first?

If it is the 1st one, then the rule is that when the striker played the ball he was offside, however I'm sure Davevillain or any other referee's will tell me thats wrong
Gained an advantage by being in an offside position. Had the initial shot gone in, its a goal, but once it came back of the goalkeeper, or last defender he is penalised for gaining an advantage.. The same as if the ball had rebounded from the goal.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: Louzie0 on November 13, 2012, 01:01:35 AM
According to twitter the offside one is catching people out.

Which one, the first?

If it is the 1st one, then the rule is that when the striker played the ball he was offside, however I'm sure Davevillain or any other referee's will tell me thats wrong
Gained an advantage by being in an offside position. Had the initial shot gone in, its a goal, but once it came back of the goalkeeper, or last defender he is penalised for gaining an advantage.. The same as if the ball had rebounded from the goal.

Got that one.  Thanks, grandad.  Now, what's the other one?!
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: usav on November 13, 2012, 05:30:24 AM
Fuck me - I got 100%
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: The Left Side on November 13, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
91% come on
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
6 out of 12
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 13, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
I got 3 out of 12 without looking at the questions then told them I was a bluenose and female.
Title: Re: Can you blame the referee?
Post by: lennythekad on November 13, 2012, 08:36:27 PM
Disappointing 6/12.
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