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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ROBBO on October 21, 2012, 01:15:11 AM
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There comes a point when blaming the manager has to stop, there are some who are sharpening their knives after a less than asatisfactory start to the season. When a business is failing you have to look at the top for answers for that is where the real power lies. What has happened over the last couple of years was very predictable even before the MON debacle, a point came when Randy Lerner literally pulled the plug, top players were sold and not replaced, wages became an issue but for me the really telling factor was the General disappearing to pastures new, he was no longer needed because Randy had given up, the dream of Europe was dead and our owner and leader was too embarrassed to come and see HIS club lose week after week. Until we get a new owner who will suffer and celebrate with the supporters i am determined no matter how tempted to criticise Lambert or whoever the next sacrificial lamb may be.
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I don't think the majority are blaming the manager, but he needs to start winning games. I appreciate there's very much a transitional element to us at the moment with the young players and the inexperienced premier league players, but that doesn't excuse our last few performances. We need to win and win soon.
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Its true that I think we need the gusto of Lerner when he first arrived without being led into a false sense of security under MON's "Reo Coker, give him 50k a week" moto. Im interested to see if anything at all will change after he sold the Browns, his heart to me doesnt seem to be in it as much as it did.
But I won't blame Lambert, not now, not until he plays 7 defenders againts Spurs or brings back Hutton as Captain.
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I think its time to start blaming the manager actually. I like Lambert and his tactics but it isnt working. He was backed more than McLeish and yet is getting worse results.
We are coming to the end of our easy starting run of games, its been very poor. We are likely to be stuck bottom of the table end of December.
Its scary as hell. Blame Lerner all you like but he backed Lambert with a lot of cash.
I dont have a solution, I dont want lambert to leave, I like the way he has us trying to play, I just think we are now a bit like Wigan, the manager wants us to play good stuff but the players just are not good enough or havent clicked yet.
I think our only choice is to suffer. By the way, hats off to the away support. Thats one thing we have which is genuinely quality.
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I don't agree he's had a lot of cash, he's had an average amount yes it was about £18m net but he had to spread it across the team what it needed was a couple of quality players for that amount. There isn't a decent winger nor a quality midfielder. Ireland was here before and if he's not doing it no-one is
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Blame Lerner all you like but he backed Lambert with a lot of cash.
I must have missed that bit. If we honestly wanted to be a genuine top 8 side we needed to astutely spend in the region of 40 million.
I don't blame Lambert at all (yet) as he has a massive job on his hands and one that the Boardroom has once again underestimated.
It's going to take time and we need to remain patient, I just don't want to end up like Sheffield Wednesday with Paul Lambert being their Danny Wilson (their Board finally getting them relegated at the 4th attempt).
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I don't blame Lambert at all (yet)
That just about sums up every football managers job situation from day one of their appointment.
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I have no intention of blaming this manager. Hopefully he will see this difficult time through and see his plan / ideas bring fruition.
The last thing we need is a managerial change agin in the next 12-18 monhs- we need some stability first before we can begin to move forward.
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It's a bit harder for me to judge based purely on performances as I only go to the home games which have been a bit of a mixed bag. The young fullbacks we have signed replaced two players who were absolutely hammered by all of us , Vlaar for Collins was a popular move , it's midfield where we look weak. The fact is we were lucky to stay up last season and we are like a promoted team trying to stay up this season.Lambert in my mind is doing Ok and needs our 100% backing and support. The blame for where we find ourselves has to lie with the very top of the club who have either sanctioned bad decisions or made them.We are like innocent bystanders caught up in their mess.
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I do think Lambert does shoulder a fair amount of the blame for yesterday. We should never have gone to Fulham with two out-and-out strikers, we looked short in midfield and kept giving the ball away between the middle and final thirds. Guzan kept hoofing the ball to Hangeland and Hughes' heads with such unerring accuracy he's either been told to do it or not told not to do it, and we gave away so much needless possession that way. After the game he said he thought we didn't deserve to lose - well, I hope that's not what he told the players in private and is just stonewalling the press, because that performance and those tactics deserved to lose that game every day of the week.
I like him, and everyone makes mistakes, but if that were an Eck performance, and if it had led to him losing five out of his first eight games some on here would have been calling for his removal very early on.
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
Stephen Ireland isn't fit to wear a Villa shirt. He hasn't contributed a single thing of note since joining us. In fact I'd say he's pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
Stephen Ireland isn't fit to wear a Villa shirt. He hasn't contributed a single thing of note since joining us. In fact I'd say he's pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
A tad harsh but he certainly hasn't been anything like player he was at city, the midfield lacks quality without doubt and the likes of bannan,Delph,albrighton , are squad players at best and not good enough at this level.
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
Stephen Ireland isn't fit to wear a Villa shirt. He hasn't contributed a single thing of note since joining us. In fact I'd say he's pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
A tad harsh but he certainly hasn't been anything like player he was at city, the midfield lacks quality without doubt and the likes of bannan,Delph,albrighton , are squad players at best and not good enough at this level.
He's a one season wonder and he's still living off it. It's soul destroying to see our team become so poor when just a few years ago we were a top 6 side.
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I was thinking back to the Swansea and Newcastle games and how well we did not giving either side time on the ball and closing them down. I had a look at both our line ups and the midfield for those games were Holman, KEA, Ireland, Bannan, with Weimman and Bent up front. You could argue there's no width there still, but we did look a better side and it had more energy.
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That was my point. Stephen Ireland of all people is now our best midfielder (unless KEA comes good). Bannan, Delph, Herd, have an awful lot to prove yet while N'Zogbia, Albrighton need to start delivering for villa. We have been in free-fall because our midfield was dismantled and never replaced.
Just shows you how important midfield is.
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Bannan would be in my midfield most games. He adds energy to the side, always goes looking the ball and he even runs to take a corner instead of the gentle stroll most foootballers do nowadays.
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We are paying the price for two seasons of neglect. The manager had to thinly spread 18 million to shore up a squad that was weak everywhere.
In January he might get some money to focus on one area with one or two payers that will boost us and add genuine quality.
Its a long job. We all knew this in the summer and we all knew how we would be at least for the first half of this season, why feign surprise and blame Lambert? Yes he will make tactical errors, but ultimately he has an awfully big job of cutting the cancerous decay from the club, re-building the healthy tissue and all without the most expensive equipment.
Time is what he needs and its what he will get.
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Bannan would be in my midfield most games. He adds energy to the side, always goes looking the ball and he even runs to take a corner instead of the gentle stroll most foootballers do nowadays.
I agree. That eagerness does sometimes become over-eagerness with those long, over-ambitious passes when he would be better off picking his moments more sparingly. That said, all Delph brings, as someone said, is a yellow card a game. Bannan needs to play.
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
Stephen Ireland isn't fit to wear a Villa shirt. He hasn't contributed a single thing of note since joining us. In fact I'd say he's pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
His performance at Stamford Bridge last year was decent. Perhaps he was inspired by the hashish and is actually the Lance Armstrong of the Premier League?
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We've made far worse signings than Ireland over the years.
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Not many though for that fee and wages. Frustrating as there is potentially a player in there but we rarely see it.
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The manager has played his part in this situation (apologies for stating the obvious), mainly because I think tactically he can be very flaky. Against Southampton and Fulham our full-backs were exposed time and again and he did nothing to remedy that. It's no surprise that eventually they got ripped to shreds. But the midfield has been sub-par in almost every game and that's not because we don't have good players, so logically it must be how they're being deployed.
I do think Lambert is potentially a great manager and I think when it starts clicking, we're in for a treat. We had a glimpse of that against Swansea and Tranmere. But right now his Plan A isn't working, so it's time for his Plan B, whatever it is.
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I do think Lambert is potentially a great manager and I think when it starts clicking, we're in for a treat. We had a glimpse of that against Swansea and Tranmere. But right now his Plan A isn't working, so it's time for his Plan B, whatever it is.
Plan A: Play a possession based game using a midfield diamond supported by tw attackers to break down defences with fullbacks providing the width.
Plan B: Kick it long to the big man ;D
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I'm not panicking just yet. I feel that PL is trying out different combinations and is working on finding his best side (although he's not been helped by some injuries). Yeah, it's been ugly so far, but we have signed a lot of new (and young players), so let's keep our fingers crossed that PL is still the man.
If results don't pick up in the next month then I will be concerened but until then, I will give him time to bed the new players in properly and find the best combinations (although a couple of very classy midfielders wouldn't go amiss in Jan).
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Three years ago our midfield was Young, Milner, Petrov and Downing. Today none of our midfielders sand out as automatic premier league quality. Stephen Ireland is probably our best midfielder now.
Stephen Ireland isn't fit to wear a Villa shirt. He hasn't contributed a single thing of note since joining us. In fact I'd say he's pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
Agree 100%. His lack of commitment is appalling. Apart from the Chelsea game I can't recall anything of note to justify his inclusion. He was a one season wonder 4 years ago. Get rid. N'zogbia looked promising when coming on. My changes for Sat would be Bannan,N'zogbia and Benteke for Delph,Ireland and Agbonlahor.
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Sometimes you need to get worse to get better. I'm with this guy 100% and believe things will get better.
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We are paying the price for two seasons of neglect. The manager had to thinly spread 18 million to shore up a squad that was weak everywhere.
In January he might get some money to focus on one area with one or two payers that will boost us and add genuine quality.
Its a long job. We all knew this in the summer and we all knew how we would be at least for the first half of this season, why feign surprise and blame Lambert? Yes he will make tactical errors, but ultimately he has an awfully big job of cutting the cancerous decay from the club, re-building the healthy tissue and all without the most expensive equipment.
Time is what he needs and its what he will get.
Hear hear!
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Sometimes you need to get worse to get better.
I don't agree with that. Sometimes clubs/companies luckily get better after a period of being shite, but it's not as a result of being shite. Newcastle are the footballing example often given, but they could have stayed in the Premier League and still prospered. There are lots of medium sized and biggish clubs who have gone down, and stayed down, eg Sheffield Wednesday, Forest, Coventry and Leeds, and there are those for whom a quick return doesn't look likely, eg Blues, Middlesbrough and Bolton. Going down could ruin us, it certainly shouldn't be seen as anything positive, or a chance to clear the decks, and start again. We've been doing that for the las two years anyway.
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as I see it we have a poor squad (with a pretty awful midfield) but a good manager.
It's a long-term job turning this club around and if he can keep us up this year I'm sure we'll go from strength to strength.
I find it pretty incredible that the manager is getting grief already. Not that I'm not worried, but we were always going to be crap this season. Anyone expecting anything else form this seasons was setting themselves up for disappointment in my opinion.
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I think it's time to admit something of a temporary defeat in his insisting on playing two strikers. It's bold, it's adventurous, and he's attempting it in a way which isn't boofy. The problem is it's an incredibly difficult system to pull off: the narrow four in midfield is designed to counter two- and three-man midfields and keep possession, but without natural width the full backs are asked to do a hell of a lot against at least two opponents on each flank. If the fullbacks can't help you out then, your play will become squeezed and narrow, and defending is all about trying to keep the opposition narrow. Another solution is to try and have the forwards move intelligently and alternately into wide areas, but seeing as we don't have Barrios and Lewandowski that solution is somewhat unrealistic.
The way to go now is clearly a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 approach, and I think Benteke has to be that lone striker. Gabby could be an option for a wide forward spot (he's always better when facing goal and running in on the diagonal), and Bent as super-sub, but we need everyone to contribute and we need a balance of numbers in midfield and wider options to stretch the play a bit. I'm not necessarily talking about out-and-out wingers a la MON-ball, but just someone to give us a few more options to stretch the play a bit.
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.... the way to go now is clearly a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 approach, and I think Benteke has to be that lone striker. Gabby could be an option for a wide forward spot (he's always better when facing goal and running in on the diagonal), and Bent as super-sub, but we need everyone to contribute and we need a balance of numbers in midfield and wider options to stretch the play a bit. I'm not necessarily talking about out-and-out wingers a la MON-ball, but just someone to give us a few more options to stretch
I agree with your thinking, Monty, but I'd say that a 3-man central midfield would work well. I'd also look at Weimann as one of the players supporting the lone striker, since I think he has the intelligence as well as the strength and pace to fulfil the role.
I'd also have Albie and Carruthers on the bench to add the width if we need to change to approach.
For pressing fullbacks to work well as occasional wingers, the central midfielders need to be mobile, quick and dominant.
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I think I agree with the three man option, Mr. E, as the best as opposed to two sitting deep and one assigned to stand a bit further up - seeing as that player is usually Ireland, I don't think we need to encourage him to do less work. I'd play KEA, Holman and Bannan, as that's been the most successful axis for us in central midfield. Weimann I could see as a wide forward with license to drift in, maybe swapping with Gabby on the other side. I don't think Zog or Albers merits a place in the side right now, and Bent can't play that role.
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I find it pretty incredible that the manager is getting grief already.
It could be said that the final straw for TSM last year was the almost universal rejection of him by the Villa fans. Maybe one or two people think it's time to exercise that "power" again. But they are being a tad previous.
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We cannot go wide we have no natural wingers except Albrighton who in my opinion just isn't talented enough or fast and tricky enough. A poster struck a chord when they said against Fulham the energy of previous games was missing and he was right, we didn't close them down like we have in previous games, whether it was the mix of players being different i don't know. I'm sure we have a good manager what i'm not certain about is whether he will fix the problems quickly enough to avoid the drop. Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
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Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
What makes you say that?
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Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
What makes you say that?
Because it's an easy thing to say.
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That's why I'm not suggesting playing pure wingers, Robbo, but more wide forwards. That's pretty much what everyone does now anyway - Gareth Bale is probably the only world class pure winger out there right now - everyone else has forwards who start on the flanks but link infield, but the mere fact of them starting on the flanks does stretch the play, even if they don't head for the byline as Plan A. It also brings the full-backs into play better, as making surging overlaps at the height of the attack is easier for them than in the diamond, where they have to be winger and full back in one.
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I was thinking back to the Swansea and Newcastle games and how well we did not giving either side time on the ball and closing them down. I had a look at both our line ups and the midfield for those games were Holman, KEA, Ireland, Bannan, with Weimman and Bent up front. You could argue there's no width there still, but we did look a better side and it had more energy.
Yes. I've pondered what the difference was/is and the one guy who's dropped out of that group is Bannan, he's been replaced by Delph. Perhaps that's where we're missing out on more of the control and possession.
I'm beginning to wonder if playing two strikers really doesn't work with this group.
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I think part of the problem is that the full backs don't get forward anywhere near enough away from home as the do at Villa Park.
Everton aside, we created a lot of chances against both Swansea and West Brom and I think part of that is Lowton being able to get forward.
He has good delivery on him and puts in a very good early ball, yet he doesn't do it awya from home as much as I would like.
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Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
What makes you say that?
Because he is the owner who rarely attends,has he been to a game this season? He is the custodian of the club and as such should make some effort, he cannot keep his finger on the pulse by email. Deadly for all his faults attended most if not all games and was there to see the seldom good and the often bad. I simply do not believe you can run the club by proxy.
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Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
What makes you say that?
Because he is the owner who rarely attends,has he been to a game this season? He is the custodian of the club and as such should make some effort, he cannot keep his finger on the pulse by email. Deadly for all his faults attended most if not all games and was there to see the seldom good and the often bad. I simply do not believe you can run the club by proxy.
I've been told that he's here most weeks and goes home at the weekend. Matchday is the one time he can't really do anything - the manager is in total control then - so it makes sense for that to be when he's not around. How many games do other owners attend?
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I've been told that he's here most weeks and goes home at the weekend. Matchday is the one time he can't really do anything - the manager is in total control then - so it makes sense for that to be when he's not around. How many games do other owners attend?
I was told the same. Also, Randy watches every game the same way a lot do, on the Internet.
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That's why I'm not suggesting playing pure wingers, Robbo, but more wide forwards. That's pretty much what everyone does now anyway - Gareth Bale is probably the only world class pure winger out there right now - everyone else has forwards who start on the flanks but link infield, but the mere fact of them starting on the flanks does stretch the play, even if they don't head for the byline as Plan A. It also brings the full-backs into play better, as making surging overlaps at the height of the attack is easier for them than in the diamond, where they have to be winger and full back in one.
He's trying to accomodate Bent, and Gabby to an extent. I don't think he wants to sell Bent as anyone would want a proven goalscorer. However, I don't think playing with two strikers is what he wants long term. I agree with that assessment of essentially wanting width without dedicated traditional wingers. He wants players versatile enough to go wide yet adept at cutting inside to join the attack as extra forwards when the full backs push up. Hard to do in just a few months.
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season. He won't want that to happen to him and I doubt that it ever will. However, he knows what is going on behind the scenes and must find it difficult to keep it quiet while getting grief on forums like this and in the Press.
He can't just dump Bent now as it will devalue him for January but he has to look at our long term interests; long term being the end of the season. What he can't afford to do is leave Benteke out as that will not do the player any good.
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Oh and Randy Lerner is the worst supporter we've got.
What makes you say that?
Because he is the owner who rarely attends,has he been to a game this season? He is the custodian of the club and as such should make some effort, he cannot keep his finger on the pulse by email. Deadly for all his faults attended most if not all games and was there to see the seldom good and the often bad. I simply do not believe you can run the club by proxy.
Make some effort?!
How much money has he put in to our club since he took over? He's not here to make a quick buck like Doug was or the Glazers up at Old Trafford are. In the first few years he redeveloped large chunks of the stadium, virtually rebuilt the Holte Pub, turned Bodymoor Heath in to one of the finest training facilities in the country, paid (admittedly too much) for some of the best players we've had for years, etc, etc. All he's done the past two years is say that he can't compete in the rich stakes with oil barons from the Middle East so we need to try a different approach.
Would it make any difference to the team (or you for that matter) if he did a Delia Smith-style speech on the pitch before every game?!
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Of the many things I'd accuse Doug of, the one he didn't want to do was make a quick buck. He certainly took every opportunity to bump up the value of his holding, but I honestly believe that the main attraction of running the Villa to him was that it fed his gargantuan ego.
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Of the many things I'd accuse Doug of, the one he didn't want to do was make a quick buck. He certainly took every opportunity to bump up the value of his holding, but I honestly believe that the main attraction of running the Villa to him was that it fed his gargantuan ego.
He paid himself quite a generous salary out of the club's funds when no other club owner did so.
Over the course of his tenure I'd suggest he took a lot more out than he put in.
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Of the many things I'd accuse Doug of, the one he didn't want to do was make a quick buck. He certainly took every opportunity to bump up the value of his holding, but I honestly believe that the main attraction of running the Villa to him was that it fed his gargantuan ego.
He paid himself quite a generous salary out of the club's funds when no other club owner did so.
Over the course of his tenure I'd suggest he took a lot more out than he put in.
He did indeed, but that wasn't his prime objective.
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Of the many things I'd accuse Doug of, the one he didn't want to do was make a quick buck. He certainly took every opportunity to bump up the value of his holding, but I honestly believe that the main attraction of running the Villa to him was that it fed his gargantuan ego.
He paid himself quite a generous salary out of the club's funds when no other club owner did so.
Over the course of his tenure I'd suggest he took a lot more out than he put in.
He did indeed, but that wasn't his prime objective.
OK, so bragging to his mates that he owned a football club was his prime objective.
Filling his pockets with said club's funds was objective number two.
You're right, that sounds much better!!!
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Of the many things I'd accuse Doug of, the one he didn't want to do was make a quick buck. He certainly took every opportunity to bump up the value of his holding, but I honestly believe that the main attraction of running the Villa to him was that it fed his gargantuan ego.
He paid himself quite a generous salary out of the club's funds when no other club owner did so.
Over the course of his tenure I'd suggest he took a lot more out than he put in.
He did indeed, but that wasn't his prime objective.
OK, so bragging to his mates that he owned a football club was his prime objective.
Filling his pockets with said club's funds was objective number two.
You're right, that sounds much better!!!
We're not talking anyone normal here. We're talking Doug.
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Indeed.
My god I'm glad he's gone!!!
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Wasn't Doug the highest paid chairman in football for a good few years ?
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The thing to remember as well is that he paid himself, sorry, the Renumeration Committee recommended he be paid, decent but not massive amounts until flotation. He made most of his wealth when the share price boomed pre-flotation and not even Doug at his most Nostradamus could have predicted that a share worth £35 in 1992 would be traded for £1,400 five years later.
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season.
I imagine the Norwich supporters' reaction to him will be a lot more "vile" at the weekend!
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season.
I imagine the Norwich supporters' reaction to him will be a lot more "vile" at the weekend!
I very much doubt it.
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Indeed.
My god I'm glad he's gone!!!
He hasn't gone anywhere.
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Indeed.
My god I'm glad he's gone!!!
He hasn't gone anywhere.
I'm pretty sure he has, in so much as the solid oak Chairman's door with his name on no longer exists and his vice-like grip on the coffers has been removed.
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Indeed.
My god I'm glad he's gone!!!
He hasn't gone anywhere.
I'm pretty sure he has, in so much as the solid oak Chairman's door with his name on no longer exists and his vice-like grip on the coffers has been removed.
Ask Greg Nash and you'll get a different tale.
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Indeed.
My god I'm glad he's gone!!!
He hasn't gone anywhere.
I'm pretty sure he has, in so much as the solid oak Chairman's door with his name on no longer exists and his vice-like grip on the coffers has been removed.
Ask Greg Nash and you'll get a different tale.
Facepalm, sorely missed
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season.
I imagine the Norwich supporters' reaction to him will be a lot more "vile" at the weekend!
I'd doubt it, there's probably a far few of Norwich fans who appreciate how far he took them, and that he was never going to stay there forever - perhaps a bit like MON with us. (Although I'd say he probably accomplished more than MON did)
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season.
I imagine the Norwich supporters' reaction to him will be a lot more "vile" at the weekend!
I'd doubt it, there's probably a far few of Norwich fans who appreciate how far he took them, and that he was never going to stay there forever - perhaps a bit like MON with us. (Although I'd say he probably accomplished more than MON did)
You're kidding aren't you? Colchester fans despise him, as do Norwich fans now. And from a quick trawl of their forums, they don't rate us very highly either:
"His name was Lambert, he was our hero
We would never fail to score, just listen to the Barclay roar
We played four-three-three, we played the diamond
And while Grant Holt became a star, John Ruddy always tended bar
Up the league we soared, the Premier League was our reward
He was young and we all loved him -
And still he wanted more -
Yes, he's Paul Lambert
He was a winner
And then he f*cked off to Aston Villa
Hoofball without passion is always the fashion
At Villa.... and they are sh*te.
That's Villa, yes, Aston Villa
The sh*ttest team west of Manila...."
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I wonder who are the shittest east of Manilla.
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Lambert has seen how vile our support can be at the end of last season.
I imagine the Norwich supporters' reaction to him will be a lot more "vile" at the weekend!
I'd doubt it, there's probably a far few of Norwich fans who appreciate how far he took them, and that he was never going to stay there forever - perhaps a bit like MON with us. (Although I'd say he probably accomplished more than MON did)
You're kidding aren't you? Colchester fans despise him, as do Norwich fans now. And from a quick trawl of their forums, they don't rate us very highly either:
"His name was Lambert, he was our hero
We would never fail to score, just listen to the Barclay roar
We played four-three-three, we played the diamond
And while Grant Holt became a star, John Ruddy always tended bar
Up the league we soared, the Premier League was our reward
He was young and we all loved him -
And still he wanted more -
Yes, he's Paul Lambert
He was a winner
And then he f*cked off to Aston Villa
Hoofball without passion is always the fashion
At Villa.... and they are sh*te.
That's Villa, yes, Aston Villa
The sh*ttest team west of Manila...."
Wow, that certainly surprises me. I won't pretend to actually know anything of what they think, just I assumed they still liked him for what he did. Song seems a bit petty.
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Also, how is 'Hoofball without passion is always the fashion at Villa'. We've aimed to play attractive, attacking football for a long, long time aside from last season.
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Wow, that certainly surprises me. I won't pretend to actually know anything of what they think, just I assumed they still liked him for what he did. Song seems a bit petty.
You're just saying what a lot of non-Villa fans say about us and Martin O'Neill though. That we should be grateful even though they did the dirty. Football fans aren't like that.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/why-paul-lamberts-norwich-template-for-success-1394262
Very good article .
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Whilst it raised some fair points, the sarcasm regarding Lowton at the start was a bit uncalled for and overall it could be argued that it was the usual pessimistic from the Mirror.
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Whilst it raised some fair points, the sarcasm regarding Lowton at the start was a bit uncalled for and overall it could be argued that it was the usual pessimistic from the Mirror.
Bang on cue clampy, I was waiting for your anti-mirror post and as always you obliged!
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Whilst it raised some fair points, the sarcasm regarding Lowton at the start was a bit uncalled for and overall it could be argued that it was the usual pessimistic from the Mirror.
Bang on cue clampy, I was waiting for your anti-mirror post and as always you obliged!
I'm entitled to my opinion Eastie, if you don't like it then maybe you should refrain from posting links for people to comment on.
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Good man clampy , you know how much I enjoy your comments .
Unusual to get a villa article not written by nursey in the mirror but I agree there were some valid points made.
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Good article. Shame about the dig at Lowton but Pravda could have attributed the quotes to a more senior player.
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Good article. Shame about the dig at Lowton but Pravda could have attributed the quotes to a more senior player.
I can't see that they're having a dig at Lowton at all, and are instead rightly ridiculing the use of him as the voice for a typically meaningless official site bit of nonsense.
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That's what I was getting at.
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Good article. Shame about the dig at Lowton but Pravda could have attributed the quotes to a more senior player.
I can't see that they're having a dig at Lowton at all, and are instead rightly ridiculing the use of him as the voice for a typically meaningless official site bit of nonsense.
It was in a way i think. Just because he was playing in the lower leagues last season dose'nt mean his view on this season is not valid.
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Also, how is 'Hoofball without passion is always the fashion at Villa'. We've aimed to play attractive, attacking football for a long, long time aside from last season.
You're joking, right? We haven't played "attractive, attacking football" since Sir Brian was manager.
Anyway, stuff Norwich, like I really give a shit what they think. They worshipped Lambert, many probably still do but now he's gone a few are bitter. I could care more.
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I think Matt Law deserves the Trevor Brooking sitting on the fence award for that article. In between some fair points, some digs and some waffle, if Paul Lambert takes us down or keeps us up he can say 'I told you so'.
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Really? What a ******.