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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Kingthing on September 22, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
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Twice now, West Ham and Southampton, I've found myself trying to apologise to home fans after their positive response to our 19 minutes applause for Petrov ,only to be greeted by " no respect my lord " from Villa fans , it's embaressing, get a fucking grip, other fans have been nothing but respectful,it seems people sing it as a matter of course
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It's great that other clubs supporters are joining in. If our numbskull type supporter (all clubs have them) is going to piss away that goodwill because they can get a few loud, mocking chants off at the oppositions supporters well that's quite sad - but not surprising.
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I think it's time to stop the 19 minute thing.
Stan knows how we feel.
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Yes FFS people need to get a grip. The Southampton fans probably didn't even realise what was happening !
And what do you expect when you have meat heads singing "Southamptons a shit hole I wanna go home" when they let us in their pubs and welcome us in a friendly way!!
Embarrassing
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I think it's time to stop the 19 minute thing.
Stan knows how we feel.
Agreed. Petrov knows everybody's with him. Booing the opposition's fans for not clapping is a step too far. It's all getting a bit silly now. Time to let it lie.
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Or just let it be. If other fans don't clap so what.
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I agree with Kingthing. At W Ham their nutter fans to the left of the away end seemed to join in but were quickly met with a chorus of no respect my lord.
I found it small time.
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"Empty seats my lord" is also a bit pathetic, when you think of Villa Park these days. Hardly claustrophobic in any part of the ground.
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You are right, no doubt, but what about "we far the best team the world has have ever seen"?
Those seeking seering wit or profound truths in football chants are likely to be disappointed.Or just let it be. If other fans don't clap so what.
Speaking words of wisdom ...
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I think it's time to stop the 19 minute thing.
Stan knows how we feel.
Agreed. Petrov knows everybody's with him. Booing the opposition's fans for not clapping is a step too far. It's all getting a bit silly now. Time to let it lie.
Same here. Let's stop it before the gesture loses total respect.
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I think it's time to stop the 19 minute thing.
Stan knows how we feel.
Agreed. Petrov knows everybody's with him. Booing the opposition's fans for not clapping is a step too far. It's all getting a bit silly now. Time to let it lie.
Same here. Let's stop it before the gesture loses total respect.
Disagree. The gesture is throughout Stan's illness and means just as much each week. Just because he's in remission he still has a long way to go and this is a nice way to let him know he's in our thoughts and we want to see him come back one day. This is there to spur him through a lonely and troubling time. I'm not usually one for sentiment but I think the 19th minute applause is a good way to collectively share our support. As far as the "no respect" brigade go, it's a real shame people feel that way but we know it doesn't express the opinions of the majority. If they sing stupid songs, the majority sings louder.
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I had a great day yesterday socially. Parked at an old Schoolfriend's house, went to the pub with him and his mates us in our Villa shirts , Him and his mates in Saints shirts, to a Saints pub. We were welcomed warmly, had a great bit of friendly banter. When the 19 mins came along , the Saints fans had no idea what was going on!, when some of them finally clicked they started clapping, only to be met with the no respect.
Perhaps we should have joined in with their chant of Going down , Going down, Going down with a chorus of " So are we , so are we, so are we!"
If only I could offer my mates such a warm welcome at a pub so close to Villa Park!
Whilst I feel for Stan, it's fine if we want to clap at 19 mins but the expectation should be that not everyone at away grounds will realise what we are doing. The same was true at West Ham. We were close the big fat lad and his mates who always hurl abuse from the few Herberts on the left hand side, but as soon as the clapping started they where joining in from start to end, only to be met with the poor no respect garbage!
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I think there's a section of fans who look at Grieferpool and think that's what all fans should be like.
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I'm in a place now where maybe we should park this 19 min clap thing.
Stan knows how we feel so who are we clapping ? Is it pity for ourselves ?
I say stop it now before it loses all impact
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I sat with Forest fans in pre-season and some clapped and I heard a few 'whats that for?'
It is a little pathetic, how are other fans supposed to know?
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It is nice gesture to show support for Petrov, but I think it is time to end it as we have been doing it for 6 months ?
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The difficulty with all of these things is knowing when to stop. I think it'll go through the season and then Petrov will have to make a decision on his future and the number 19 shirt assigned elsewhere.
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I'd say that for those that wish to carry on, do so. It doesn't have to be a 'grand gesture' every week, just a bit of encouragement from those that want to show a bit of public good will.
As for opposition fans not understanding etc - not our problem. If they want to ask why, fair enough, but those that wish to join in should be encouraged - that type of 'outside' support is probably just as welcomed, if not more so, from the man himself.
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Perhaps a halfway house, Do it at home games, Park it at away games ?
What happens when you go somewhere like old Trafford ? You can't expect 70 odd thousand Japanese / Chinese / Malaysians and people from the home counties to join in.
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But you can't stop people doing it if they want to. It has to die a death at VP first.
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I went to West Ham with my West Ham supporting boss and he was quite offended with the no respect chant.
As has been pointed out, simply other sets of supporters don't know it's happening. My boss said he only knew about it due to me telling him.
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It just goes to show that even though we support the same team, some Villa fans are just morons.
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You are right, no doubt, but what about "we far the best team the world has have ever seen"?
Those seeking seering wit or profound truths in football chants are likely to be disappointed.Or just let it be. If other fans don't clap so what.
Speaking words of wisdom ...
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I agree with Kingthing.
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I had a great day yesterday socially. Parked at an old Schoolfriend's house, went to the pub with him and his mates us in our Villa shirts , Him and his mates in Saints shirts, to a Saints pub. We were welcomed warmly, had a great bit of friendly banter. When the 19 mins came along , the Saints fans had no idea what was going on!, when some of them finally clicked they started clapping, only to be met with the no respect.
Perhaps we should have joined in with their chant of Going down , Going down, Going down with a chorus of " So are we , so are we, so are we!"
If only I could offer my mates such a warm welcome at a pub so close to Villa Park!
Whilst I feel for Stan, it's fine if we want to clap at 19 mins but the expectation should be that not everyone at away grounds will realise what we are doing. The same was true at West Ham. We were close the big fat lad and his mates who always hurl abuse from the few Herberts on the left hand side, but as soon as the clapping started they where joining in from start to end, only to be met with the poor no respect garbage!
Spot on, quite a few Saints fans joined in yesterday once they realised what was going on only to be met with the 'no respect' chant from some of our lot. I had a great day out yesterday despite the team doing their best to ruin it and you really couldn't visit a more benign, friendly place than Southampton to watch the Villa away. I saw not the slightest hint of trouble if you don't count the pathetic 'little boys' gesticulating at each other when either team scored...plus one middle aged woman near me who was really socking it verbally to the Soton fans.
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The No Respect My Lord chant is cringeworthy. Some muppets next to me were singing it with real aggression. One of these muppets also also decided to have a punch up with a bloke in front, towards the end of the game.
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I saw one villa fan ejected by the stewards first half and there was a few meat heads singing abuse at the end by the coaches but the Hamps Police got a bit physical and shut the idiots up.
Other than that and the result it was an enjoyable trip.
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I had a great day yesterday socially. Parked at an old Schoolfriend's house, went to the pub with him and his mates us in our Villa shirts , Him and his mates in Saints shirts, to a Saints pub. We were welcomed warmly, had a great bit of friendly banter. When the 19 mins came along , the Saints fans had no idea what was going on!, when some of them finally clicked they started clapping, only to be met with the no respect.
Perhaps we should have joined in with their chant of Going down , Going down, Going down with a chorus of " So are we , so are we, so are we!"
If only I could offer my mates such a warm welcome at a pub so close to Villa Park!
Whilst I feel for Stan, it's fine if we want to clap at 19 mins but the expectation should be that not everyone at away grounds will realise what we are doing. The same was true at West Ham. We were close the big fat lad and his mates who always hurl abuse from the few Herberts on the left hand side, but as soon as the clapping started they where joining in from start to end, only to be met with the poor no respect garbage!
Take them to The Bartons.
I first noted the no respect song last season but that was sung quite rightly to a Hawthorns met with stoney silence in all parts when they knew full well what we were doing.
I cannot stand those fucking horrible stripey spunk biscuits.
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I think it is a superb gesture to a top man and dont see any reason to stop it, maybe one fecking day we will score a goal during it lol. As for opposition fans, agree it is pathetic to have a go at them
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I think there's a section of fans who look at Grieferpool and think that's what all fans should be like.
I think recent events show how wide of the mark this sort of statement is. You should be ashamed!
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"Empty seats my lord" is also a bit pathetic, when you think of Villa Park these days. Hardly claustrophobic in any part of the ground.
There's a portion of our singers who appear to be on autopilot regarding the "shit support" and "empty seats" chants.
The whole song is an embarrassment as far as I'm concerned but the inappropriate singing of those verses is just plain daft.
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keep the 19 minuet applause, Stan is still the club captain and its no hardship to anyone during the game to show we still support him and havent forgotten
the other 'no respect' chants are just pathetic,
its totaly up to them as far as i'm concerned, but lets face it for some of our fans its just another oportunity to bait the opposition supporters, so i dont expect it to stop
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Im not even sure about the "it's your round my lord" verse to be honest
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Time for it to stop at away grounds.
Not at home though, we need to keep Stan going and in a positive state of mind.
In my view anyway.
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I think there's a section of fans who look at Grieferpool and think that's what all fans should be like.
I think recent events show how wide of the mark this sort of statement is. You should be ashamed!
Couldn't agree more Chris. I read that and immediately though the same. Plonker.
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keep the 19 minuet applause, Stan is still the club captain and its no hardship to anyone during the game to show we still support him and havent forgotten
the other 'no respect' chants are just pathetic,
its totaly up to them as far as i'm concerned, but lets face it for some of our fans its just another oportunity to bait the opposition supporters, so i dont expect it to stop
agree with john here, if you feel like it then do it, if the ooposition dont well they are usually in the dark. if it makes the tiniest bit of difference to the good then carry on but dont go on about anyone else who chooses not too.
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I think there's a section of fans who look at Grieferpool and think that's what all fans should be like.
Let's hope we never have to find out.
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I can just imagine what type of people are chanting 'no respect'. No doubt most of them are the chavscum who have no respect for anything anyway, just their own warped sense of what they feel they need to get all indignant about.
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Im not even sure about the "it's your round my lord" verse to be honest
I wonder how many of our supporters who sing this song , have actually seen him play in a Villa shirt .
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I think there's a section of fans who look at Grieferpool and think that's what all fans should be like.
Let's hope we never have to find out.
I think there's a small section of our fans who have been under a rock this last couple of weeks or for the last 23 years.
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Im not even sure about the "it's your round my lord" verse to be honest
I wonder how many of our supporters who sing this song , have actually seen him play in a Villa shirt .
Or know anything about his life.
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On a more positive note I read on a saints forum that some guy thought we were the loudest fans he'd heard at St Mary's for a long time.
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"Empty seats my lord" is also a bit pathetic, when you think of Villa Park these days. Hardly claustrophobic in any part of the ground.
There's a portion of our singers who appear to be on autopilot regarding the "shit support" and "empty seats" chants.
The whole song is an embarrassment as far as I'm concerned but the inappropriate singing of those verses is just plain daft.
I couldn't agree more.
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It just goes to show that even though we support the same team, some Villa fans are just morons.
Sadly, very true
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keep the 19 minuet applause, Stan is still the club captain and its no hardship to anyone during the game to show we still support him and havent forgotten
the other 'no respect' chants are just pathetic,
its totaly up to them as far as i'm concerned, but lets face it for some of our fans its just another oportunity to bait the opposition supporters, so i dont expect it to stop
Agree 110% about keeping our support for Stan going, especially after reading a poster who has faced the same illness to Stan and how it would/could help!
Personally I think the whole song is shite, the ad hoc verses that get added seem to be woeful at best, i'd love not to hear it again!
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It's our most popular chant. Anyone noticed how it's catching on with other clubs fans too :-)
The saints fans were singing it back at us on Saturday after they took the lead !!
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Im not even sure about the "it's your round my lord" verse to be honest
I wonder how many of our supporters who sing this song , have actually seen him play in a Villa shirt .
Or know anything about his life.
Me. He is a true footballing legend.
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I think it's time to stop the 19 minute thing.
Stan knows how we feel.
spot on
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Im not even sure about the "it's your round my lord" verse to be honest
I wonder how many of our supporters who sing this song , have actually seen him play in a Villa shirt .
Or know anything about his life.
I asked Paul on Twitter about the song that we sing and if it was ok. He replied "flattered". He may just be going with it to not drag up the issue though.
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I actually like the 19th minute applause. I hope we just keep doing it even after Stan is (hopefully) well again.
Its a nice little tradition and lets face it, we dont have that much that makes us special in a good way right now.
Agree with the no respect thing though. We shouldnt expect other teams fans to join in. Its nice if they do but no big deal if they dont.
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There's a bunch of lads who've had a few beers and they've got a reportoire that they'll stick to whether that song is appropriate or not.
Hence "no respect" (even if respect has been shown), "shit support" (even if the opposition support is not at all shit), and "this ground's a shithole" (whether you're in Fratton Park or the Emirates).
Having said I did notice "empty seats my lord" was sung a lot less last season. Thank goodness.
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Ditch the stupid song, its as embarassing as Alan Hutton
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Ditch the stupid song, its as embarassing as Alan Hutton
don't overreact....Alan Hutton is so much more embarassing.. ;)
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I actually like the 19th minute applause. I hope we just keep doing it even after Stan is (hopefully) well again.
Its a nice little tradition and lets face it, we dont have that much that makes us special in a good way right now.
Agree with the no respect thing though. We shouldnt expect other teams fans to join in. Its nice if they do but no big deal if they dont.
So let me get this right. You're suggesting that Villa fans continue to applaud at the 19th minute of a game, even when there's no reason to, because we're short on tradition. Interesting concept, being as we're amongst the oldest clubs in the country and a founder member of the football league.
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I don't think that's what he said
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Ignoring the initial reason for the thread (I don't think man city sang anything of the sort but I might be wrong):
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=267989
but you can see plenty of posts saying how they had absolutely no idea about the 19th minute and seem a bit baffled about the whole no respect thing.
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For some of our supporters this is now less about Stan and more a chance to wind the opposition up. We'e got some twats following us.
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For some of our supporters this is now less about Stan and more a chance to wind the opposition up. We'e got some twats following us.
This. I think some don't even bother with the applause, they just stand there waiting to sing 'no respect'.
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View from the other side...
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=267989
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For some of our supporters this is now less about Stan and more a chance to wind the opposition up. We'e got some twats following us.
Yes - it's being used as a stick which is wrong
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Villa fans sometimes get a bad press on here due to them seemingly being up there with the most bitterest of opposition fans since the takeover but apart from a minority of dissenting voices on the internet, from my own personal experiences I don't see them as being that bad at all. Villa Park has always been one of the better and more welcoming away days for me.
Sums it up nicely.