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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dazvillain on September 22, 2012, 07:59:15 PM
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Just seen some tweet comments about him having a suspected broken arm ! Anybody at the game notice anything happen which could have resulted in this type of injury ? How long out could that be or can he play in some kind of lightweight cast ?
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Paul Lambert doesn't know the extent of Stephen Ireland's injury yet, but it's suspected he has a broken arm.
Speaking to the Birmingham Mail before the player left in a sling, Lambert explained he would be going for an x-ray either tonight or tomorrow to determine the extent of the problem.
'It's his arm he's having a problem with at the minute. I don't know if it would be a fracture, that's the fear of it. I think there will be an x-ray and the doctor and physios will let me know what's happening
Read more: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7513510#ixzz27E9tLZZM
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
As anybody watching the game would have known.
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
As anybody watching the game would have known.
You don't need to watch the game to know that a 48th minute substitution is anything other than an injury.
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
As anybody watching the game would have known.
::)
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
As anybody watching the game would have known.
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Literally "LOL" ;-)
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So it wasn't a tactical error bringing him off.
As anybody watching the game would have known.
I saw the game. I saw the match thread. I saw some comments saying that it was a mistake to bring Ireland off.
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That's really disappointing. I think Ireland offers far more than he's often given credit for and acts as a great link man in numerous moves. We'll definitely miss him if he's out for any significant length of time.
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Did him coming off instigate us going long which has been said a few times? If so, we need to make sure we don't start too when he is not on the pitch.
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There was plenty of long stuff in the first half.
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Did him coming off instigate us going long which has been said a few times? If so, we need to make sure we don't start too when he is not on the pitch.
To be fair we were going long all game.
I was giving him a bit of stick at half time as time and time again his final ball or touch wasn't up to the standards we all know he can achieve.
However, him going off definitely weakened us, in shape as much as anything.
I suppose if he was getting in the right positions, he was doing a lot right, I still think his final product could be (and hopefully will be) lots better.
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If he did get injured - it wasn't from putting in a tackle ............in fact he pulled out of a 50/50 that
enraged quite a few of the travelling support -
having said that he wasn't the only one below par yesterday -
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Ireland was the only player trying to link the play, but we started off going long and if Benteke is playing that has to be stamped out immediately. Our improvement in Newcastle and Swansea games was down to short passing and keeping it on the deck. Bannan and Clark were the principle culprits of hoofing it yesterday, and they must stop.
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Yeh that 50/50 he bottled was annoying. I also thought he spent the first 25 minutes giving the ball away again. Then he had a decent 20 mins including the assist.
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If true this should hopefully allow Bannan, or perhaps even Zog to play at the head of the diamond, which will be interesting and potentially very rewarding.
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Yeh that 50/50 he bottled was annoying. I also thought he spent the first 25 minutes giving the ball away again. Then he had a decent 20 mins including the assist.
Careful now.
I pointed out the same things on the match thread yesterday and got set upon by one person in particular on here for the rest of the evening...and the assist if you can call it that wasn't exactly what he had in mind at the time was it ?
Anyhoo...get well soon Stephen, because despite me thinking he deserved to be taken off at half time ( not knowing it was down to an injury) we did go to bits without him.
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If true this should hopefully allow Bannan, or perhaps even Zog to play at the head of the diamond, which will be interesting and potentially very rewarding.
I'd definately go with Zog behind the front two.
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This is the N'zogbia that's been utterly shite? I would leave him on the bench till he can learn to pass, I'd stick with Holman
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If true this should hopefully allow Bannan, or perhaps even Zog to play at the head of the diamond, which will be interesting and potentially very rewarding.
for the opposition
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We did indeed go long the whole game, more so in the second half than first. We were also second best in midfield, also more so in the second 45.
From the stream I had I thought the sub was at half time and was an attempt to redress the balance by pushing el Ahmadi forward, and as such was a reasonable decision regardless of who went off. None of the midfield were playing particularly well.
I didn't and still don't understand 3 strikers on the bench and only one midfielder. It didn't leave us much scope for changing things. Herd and Delph were supposedly fit. Herd may well have brought a little stability where we needed it.
Things really did go nipples up at the second substitution which left us with only three genuine midfielders on the pitch. It was classic O'Neill. Plan A isn't working we better go even more plan A.
I don't see the point in playing 3 lightweight passers in midfield and then booting the ball over their heads all the time either.
Having Bowery on the bench alongside two other strikers also doesn't make much sense.
If Ireland is going to be out it may give us more balance. It depends on who comes in. I'd rather move el Ahmadi forward and use Herd or at a pinch Delph.
If we're going to persist in hoofing the ball towards Benteke and Bent then we may as well go the whole Stoke and put our 4 best cloggers in the middle. Not that we have as many as 4.
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Are Delph and Herd injured?
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If we're going to persist in hoofing the ball towards Benteke and Bent then we may as well go the whole Stoke and put our 4 best cloggers in the middle. Not that we have as many as 4.
See Mcleish knew what he was doing with Alan Hutton afterall :o
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I'd put Weimann in for Ireland
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If we're going to persist in hoofing the ball towards Benteke and Bent then we may as well go the whole Stoke and put our 4 best cloggers in the middle. Not that we have as many as 4.
See Mcleish knew what he was doing with Alan Hutton afterall :o
When Hutton and Heskey are your best cloggers you know you're in trouble.
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When Hutton and Heskey are your best cloggers you know you're in trouble.
When Hutton and Heksey are anything other than ballboy/teaboy you know you're in trouble - see also Sidwell.S.
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Biggest problem we have with this diamond formation is not the creative players who want to break and link with the forwards as we have good options there, its the fact we don't play a natural holding midfield player. We look lightweight and leave the centre backs exposed. I don't particularly rate him but I'd play Herd at the base to add some bite and presence in front of the back four.
Of course Stan would have been ideal there in the shape Lambert wants to play.
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Biggest problem we have with this diamond formation is not the creative players who want to break and link with the forwards as we have good options there, its the fact we don't play a natural holding midfield player. We look lightweight and leave the centre backs exposed. I don't particularly rate him but I'd play Herd at the base to add some bite and presence in front of the back four.
Of course Stan would have been ideal there in the shape Lambert wants to play.
Quite ironic and sad really - for 2 years Stan was either wasted or misused by GH and McPrat - now we have PL he would have been perfect and he is unavailable
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I think KEA is perfectly capable of playing at the base of a midfield diamond.
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I think KEA is perfectly capable of playing at the base of a midfield diamond.
He's probably capable but it's not his natural position and he's not a tackler from what I've seen. We just miss someone who is a natural fit for the role.
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Petrov wasn't a tackler, but he was great at interceptions, KEA should do fine holding , but given we have a new, young defence and the fact most other teams play 2 holding midfielders and 4 attack minded players it would help him if he had someone else alongside him, Delph maybe, who has the ability to break forward well also.
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I think KEA is perfectly capable of playing at the base of a midfield diamond.
He's probably capable but it's not his natural position and he's not a tackler from what I've seen. We just miss someone who is a natural fit for the role.
Tackling becomes less and less important as the rules evolve. What a modern day DCM needs to do is read the game, pick up runs and make interceptions.
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Petrov wasn't a tackler, but he was great at interceptions, KEA should do fine holding , but given we have a new, young defence and the fact most other teams play 2 holding midfielders and 4 attack minded players it would help him if he had someone else alongside him, Delph maybe, who has the ability to break forward well also.
Most sides play one upfront and then some variation of 4-3-3/4-5-1/4-2-3-1. What this usually means is two deep sitting players and 3 more attack minded behind the lobe striker. In playing two strikers we're sacrificing that extra DCM type, which is effectively being more attacking, and trying to compensate by having a narrow mifield that allows us to remain competitive centrally.
If we did play an extra one alongside KEA I think that would mean sacrificing a striker and going more like a narrow 4-2-3-1.
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KEA and Holman are fine as holding midfielders atm, KEA has good passing ability, and Holman has the energy.Ireland , for me, is the best link player we have, and we need a player who can beat players as our 4th midfielder, and for me that is N'Zog.
Bannan for me is no more than a squad player, but for us to get better, we need a better player in the middle than Holman.
Would'nt mind seeing Weimann and Benteke together as well.
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I think we should perservere with Weimann and Bent up front. It gives us no temptation to hoof it forward.
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I think we should perservere with Weimann and Bent up front. It gives us no temptation to hoof it forward.
There is truth to that, but I'd also hope that the team can be a bit smarter than to just hoof it to Benteke.
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Does anyone know what's going on with Ireland?
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He's out for tonight
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He's out for tonight
I think his arms just heavily bruised not a break at all. As ive put on another thread you would think he would have been sent for an X Ray as soon as we got home Sat night, or even at Southampton General.
A little strange dont you think?
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I still can't work out how he sustained the injury in the first place ??
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I still can't work out how he sustained the injury in the first place ??
Picking up his wages
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Are Delph and Herd injured?
They were but both available now.
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I still can't work out how he sustained the injury in the first place ??
Picking up his wages
;D
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His missus has posted on twitter that he has broken his arm.
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Contrary to reports that Stevieboy broke his arm trying to pick up his wallet I can reveal that actually it has been caused by his habit of sitting with his thumb up his ass that contributed to his injury.
As for us 'hoofing' it up to Bent and Benteke - I think that was Lambert's plan - it just didn't work.
Given how delph and gabby played tonight at the Esso Stadium - could this be a blessing in disguise?
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Any idea how long he will be out?
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He shouldnt be out at all its his wrist thats broken. As i've said previously Bruce Rioch played with a plaster cast on his wrist (in midfield) and scored in the seventies. Unless Im mistaken one of the Van Der Kerkoff brothers played for Holland in the 1978 World Cup with a cast on his wrist.
Ireland should at least be on the subs bench!
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He shouldnt be out at all its his wrist thats broken. As i've said previously Bruch Rioch played with a plaster cast on his wrist (in midfield) and scored in the seventies. Unless Im mistaken one of the Van Der Kerkoff brothers played for Holland in the 1978 World Cup with a cast on his wrist.
Ireland should at least be on the subs bench!
Not sure that would be allowed in today's game as it may be classed too dangerous should it come into contact with an opponent- the rules are much tighter than 30 yrs ago.
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He shouldnt be out at all its his wrist thats broken. As i've said previously Bruch Rioch played with a plaster cast on his wrist (in midfield) and scored in the seventies. Unless Im mistaken one of the Van Der Kerkoff brothers played for Holland in the 1978 World Cup with a cast on his wrist.
Ireland should at least be on the subs bench!
Not sure that would be allowed in today's game as it may be classed too dangerous should it come into contact with an opponent- the rules are much tighter than 30 yrs ago.
Yep thats probably right. Elf and Safety no doubt
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His missus has posted on twitter that he has broken his arm.
Probably 'fell down the stairs' or 'walked into a door'.
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His missus has posted on twitter that he has broken his arm.
Probably 'fell down the stairs' or 'walked into a door'.
Maybe his granny tripped him up.
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His missus has posted on twitter that he has broken his arm.
Probably 'fell down the stairs' or 'walked into a door'.
Maybe his granny tripped him up.
Which one? He's got hundreds!
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He shouldnt be out at all its his wrist thats broken. As i've said previously Bruce Rioch played with a plaster cast on his wrist (in midfield) and scored in the seventies. Unless Im mistaken one of the Van Der Kerkoff brothers played for Holland in the 1978 World Cup with a cast on his wrist.
Ireland should at least be on the subs bench!
And Lineker in Mexico 86.
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It's Heath & Efficiency gone mad.
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He shouldnt be out at all its his wrist thats broken. As i've said previously Bruce Rioch played with a plaster cast on his wrist (in midfield) and scored in the seventies. Unless Im mistaken one of the Van Der Kerkoff brothers played for Holland in the 1978 World Cup with a cast on his wrist.
Ireland should at least be on the subs bench!
And Lineker in Mexico 86.
Id forgotten that! and didnt Gazza play with a plaster cast protecting his cheek bone a few years ago. Some kind of mask wasnt it?
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Michael Crawford sang on a west end stage for months on end with a protective face mask, why can't Ireland work with a cast?
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I don't think our Stevieboy is interested in musicals to work with a cast.
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I now have some sympathy with him for being slightly crap these last few years. I'm constantly in fear for my life whenever my missus is driving...
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I can't work out what accent his missus has. "It's not Irish, it's not English... it's just (posh) pikey".
Grew up in Brum apparently.