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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MonsXI on August 30, 2012, 01:43:24 PM
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The above banner has been banned from Villa Park as from today, the banner which has been flown for the 19th minute applause ever since the news of Stans illness was announced received 9 complaints after it's first airing in L8 against Everton last Saturday.
Whoever complained nice one!
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
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I wouldn't have complained of having my view blocked on Saturday !
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
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Who designed a banner that blocked people's views anyway? No wonder it has been banned. Cant you design another one that doesnt block the view?
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
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I wouldn't have complained of having my view blocked on Saturday !
Yes, agree - the club have missed a trick with the ban - Block L8 would've been a sell-out this season!
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Was it explained to the people sat behind it? They might not know yur intentions and feel that it will make a reappearance. For longer next time. I'd have complained. Definitely.
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Was it explained to the people sat behind it? They might not know yur intentions and feel that it will make a reappearance. For longer next time. I'd have complained. Definitely.
The banner is quite self explanatory it's obvious what it's use is and the fact it's packed away kinda shows it's not gonna be flown again during the game. After seeing that the banner was only flown during the applause you'd still complain after the game?
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Surely it could have been designed not to interfere with the view of others, and from the sounds of things you were looking to display it at more games, which means it would be a continuing nuisance to them. I agree it may have been handled badly (and those who complained should probably have spoken to ye first, instead of going directly to the club), but it's a bit unfair to expect others to put up their view being completely blocked (as it appears from the photo) when there was no need for it to be, no matter how short a time it may be for.
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I don't think we need banners and 19th minutes applause for Stan. He knows we support him and let's hope he continues on the path to full recovery and respect his privacy.
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Surely it could have been designed not to interfere with the view of others, and from the sounds of things you were looking to display it at more games, which means it would be a continuing nuisance to them. I agree it may have been handled badly (and those who complained should probably have spoken to ye first, instead of going directly to the club), but it's a bit unfair to expect others to put up their view being completely blocked (as it appears from the photo) when there was no need for it to be, no matter how short a time it may be for.
there is a need for it, it's to show support for Stan. people need to remember it's a football ground not a cinema or library.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Surely it could have been designed not to interfere with the view of others, and from the sounds of things you were looking to display it at more games, which means it would be a continuing nuisance to them. I agree it may have been handled badly (and those who complained should probably have spoken to ye first, instead of going directly to the club), but it's a bit unfair to expect others to put up their view being completely blocked (as it appears from the photo) when there was no need for it to be, no matter how short a time it may be for.
there is a need for it, it's to show support for Stan. people need to remember it's a football ground not a cinema or library.
Would you feel the same way if it was your view blocked?
Although it didn't happen Saturday, we could have strung a great move together and scored. I would imagine, given that scenario, there would have been someone walking
round with with the banner rammed up his arse!!
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Blocking another supporters view, even if just for a minute, is wrong. Therefore, I think that the club are spot on with this ban.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
I think you have a point
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Why didn't the makers of the banner go horizontal instead of vertical? If they had there wouldn't have been any problem. There would have been the same message just as bold which wouldn't have obscured anyone's view.
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there is a need for it, it's to show support for Stan. people need to remember it's a football ground not a cinema or library.
Firstly, it wasn't me who said there was no need. Secondly, you could have easily done this without impacting on other people's enjoyment of the game, or indeed, their ability to be seen to be taking part in the minute's applause.
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If it's just for a minute and shouldn't be a problem for anyone, then why not make a new one that just blocks your own view and not anyone else's?
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Why didn't the makers of the banner go horizontal instead of vertical? If they had there wouldn't have been any problem. There would have been the same message just as bold which wouldn't have obscured anyone's view.
The banner was made in a rush for the game following the announcement, nobody then knew about 19th minute applause and the fact that it would still be going now, in hindsight you are right.
The group dont have flags flying etc during a game this is the only banner that has been aired during a match the thinking being that it's subject was so important and close to all Villa fans hearts.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
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nobody is saying that you shouldn't have a banner, just don't impede other people's view of the game. Even if the cause is worthy, the people below don't want a massive flag dropped in front of them every game from now on. The club are justified in this. Make a new banner that still shows support but is more conservatively sized.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
If it's still being displayed when the game actually starts, then maybe.
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Tbf, I'm sure the people who are sat behind the banner wouldn't be impressed if we scored a goal in the 19th minute and they missed it, even if it is for a great cause, wouldn't be very happy, especially as they've got rid of replays on the big screen.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
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Why didn't the makers of the banner go horizontal instead of vertical? If they had there wouldn't have been any problem. There would have been the same message just as bold which wouldn't have obscured anyone's view.
The banner was made in a rush for the game following the announcement, nobody then knew about 19th minute applause and the fact that it would still be going now, in hindsight you are right.
The group dont have flags flying etc during a game this is the only banner that has been aired during a match the thinking being that it's subject was so important and close to all Villa fans hearts.
Fine, if it is so important to you and your group then it won't be too much of a problem to make another one that gets your message across and causes no future complaints.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
It's nowhere near as big an issue as missing some of the game itself, though.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
WOW.
You seriously think missing about ten seconds of the pre-match rituals is as serious as paying spectators missing a goal that could prove to be the decisive moment in the game?
Amazing.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
It's nowhere near as big an issue as missing some of the game itself, though.
maybe I got the wrong end of the stick here. I'm saying that the flag shouldn't impede people's view during the game.
Sorry, I'm confused
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maybe I got the wrong end of the stick here. I'm saying that the flag shouldn't impede people's view during the game.
Sorry, I'm confused
Ah right, yeah I think you might have! The flag that TLP mentioned goes around *before* the game starts, and is out of the way by kick off.
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
WOW.
You seriously think missing about ten seconds of the pre-match rituals is as serious as paying spectators missing a goal that could prove to be the decisive moment in the game?
Amazing.
Think what you like. I find it all a bit small minded and petty.
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Maybe the club should've sold the tickets behind Brigada as restricted view tickets :)
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So, if at the Swansea game the giant Villa flag is surfed across the Lower Holte thus blocking my view as the players come out and myself and eight mates complain after the match we'll be able to get that banned?
I think the chance of you potentially missing a goal are fairly slim in that circumstance.
Stupid and irrelevant argument, and you know it.
it really isn't and it is a valid point
WOW.
You seriously think missing about ten seconds of the pre-match rituals is as serious as paying spectators missing a goal that could prove to be the decisive moment in the game?
Amazing.
Think what you like. I find it all a bit small minded and petty.
I'm sure you'd change your mind if you missed the goal in a 1-0 win after paying 40-odd quid for your ticket.
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Jesus, some people need to get a grip. It's one minute of the game and in support of our captain. The kid in front of me stands on his seat and blocks my view, can I get him banned too?
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I'm sure you'd change your mind if you missed the goal in a 1-0 win after paying 40-odd quid for your ticket.
Mind you, on the evidence of recent seasons, the chances of that banner obscuring your view of a goal when hung out for one minute every match will be pretty tiny
I still understand the complainers, though.
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Just a suggestion, but couldn't a flag for Stan just be hung from the bottom of the upper Holte next to the 12th man [nonsense] sign? That way it wouldn't annoy anybody else, and would permanently be on show.
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Don't even suggest stopping the 19th minute applause - it's the best thing about attending at the moment!
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Agreed. We should do it every single game until he's out of the woods.
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Jesus, some people need to get a grip. It's one minute of the game and in support of our captain. The kid in front of me stands on his seat and blocks my view, can I get him banned too?
Well, no person has been banned. If you complained, I'm sure he will be told to sit, just as everyone else in the ground has to. Kids have an option of a booster seat if he is having trouble seeing the game.
And all most people are saying is show a banner that does not block other peoples view of the game. How hard would that be?
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Don't even suggest stopping the 19th minute applause - it's the best thing about attending at the moment!
It's pretty much the only thing that can be relied on to get you on your feet at Villa these days.
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Sitting behind it would just remind me of my next door neighbour's washing line. When she hangs out her knickers it's like an eclipse has taken place.
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The 9 people whose view appears to be blocked by it perhaps? The only reason i can think of anyway.....
for one minute of a game, ffs the banner is showing support to our club captain!
The people behind it won't have seen it that way, though. Plus maybe they thought it'd be there the rest of the match or something?
It was only flown for one minute then put away, the complaints have been made since the game.
Surely it could have been designed not to interfere with the view of others, and from the sounds of things you were looking to display it at more games, which means it would be a continuing nuisance to them. I agree it may have been handled badly (and those who complained should probably have spoken to ye first, instead of going directly to the club), but it's a bit unfair to expect others to put up their view being completely blocked (as it appears from the photo) when there was no need for it to be, no matter how short a time it may be for.
there is a need for it, it's to show support for Stan. people need to remember it's a football ground not a cinema or library.
...we could have strung a great move together and scored...
That made me smile!!
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
I think you have a point
Couldn't agree more. Falls into the same category as those floral tributes you see tied to lamp posts at the scene of an accident, which some people feel the urge to replenish months and even years after the incident. Much as I sympathise, I wouldn't want it outside my front door. You've paid your respects, now move on.
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I can't see why it's banned. I'm sure you won't have any trouble finding a block of empty seats for the flag this season ;-)
(unless of course we sign some exciting players)
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
I think you have a point
Couldn't agree more. Falls into the same category as those floral tributes you see tied to lamp posts at the scene of an accident, which some people feel the urge to replenish months and even years after the incident. Much as I sympathise, I wouldn't want it outside my front door. You've paid your respects, now move on.
Not quite the same. Stan's still here to witness the support. Keep it up please folks. I'm sure Stan appreciates it.
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Perhaps those complaining wanted to witness the tribute and feel part of it themselves which they wouldn't hidden behind a dirty great sheet.
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One other minor factor that may have been missed
behind the flag in the far corner is one of only 2 entrance / exits from lower to upper Holte end (it is used before and after games for Stewards to get to the steward room). It is a condition of all stadiums that all entrances and exits have to be clear and visible at all times (I know i know elf and safety gorn mad) but it could also have been a contributor
I will find out next game
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One minute not long after the game starts is nothing like as bad as having your view obscured by all the selfish sods who ruin the often vital last ten minutes of every game by running off home to their wives. Perhaps they should be banned.
If any of the complainants or their apologists are early leavers they've got a fucking cheek.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
And for the banner itself... It could of been designed better. It doesnt bother me too much that people did complain - it may be only for a minute but the people who conplained don't want pay for a ticket to get your view of the field blocked at some point, but you've got to understand this is a football stadium not the ballet. Hopefully thee club will allow a new banner which can be hung across with the other banners at the Holte End. I personally wouldn't of complained and made a fuss because it wouldn't have bothered me at all.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
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Let's leave the personal insults out please lads.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
You just don't get it.
I'm sure if Stan doesn't like it he'd say so. I'm sorry it offends you so much though, clapping and chanting a players name is obviously too much for you.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
You just don't get it.
I'm sure if Stan doesn't like it he'd say so. I'm sorry it offends you so much though, clapping and chanting a players name is obviously too much for you.
Yes because thats exactly what i'm saying. Jesus.
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Mind you, on the evidence of recent seasons, the chances of that banner obscuring your view of a goal when hung out for one minute every match will be pretty tiny
The chances of missing a Villa goal if the banner was hung at home games for the 19th minute over the whole season is well over 20%. That's based on last season's abysmal record of only scoring 22 goals at home. It doesn't factor in the "boost" factor i.e. the additional adrenalin production in the 19th minute due to the increased applause that leads to a higher player performance level and therefore a greater likelihood of a goal.
Allegedly the BBB (barmy banner ban) is not merely down to the fact that it obstructs the view of some fans. There were also complaints that there was way too much space between the T and the A of STAN and that the O's were much too thick.
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Mind you, on the evidence of recent seasons, the chances of that banner obscuring your view of a goal when hung out for one minute every match will be pretty tiny
The chances of missing a Villa goal if the banner was hung at home games for the 19th minute over the whole season is well over 20%. That's based on last season's abysmal record of only scoring 22 goals at home. It doesn't factor in the "boost" factor i.e. the additional adrenalin production in the 19th minute due to the increased applause that leads to a higher player performance level and therefore a greater likelihood of a goal.
Allegedly the BBB (barmy banner ban) is not merely down to the fact that it obstructs the view of some fans. There were also complaints that there was way too much space between the T and the A of STAN and that the O's were much too thick.
The day we start to dispense with the basics of typography is the day we might as well give up, to be honest.
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I sat at the very back of the Holte in L8 on my second trip to Villa Park. We lost 1-0 to Sunderland in March 2008.
As for the banner, I'm sure a smaller one that doesn't restrict views will soon emerge as a replacement....
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I'd have complained, smashing banner, cracking effort but its blocking someone's view for a whole minute.
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Please - this really gets to me I'm afraid - it should be "I wouldn't have complained" - not "I wouldn't of complained."
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
Grow up !
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
Grow up !
Theres some touchy people on here.
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I like the sentiment in the banner, as I do the applause. I think Villa fans should continue with it. Standing up for one minute to show support for our captain in my opinion isn't too much hassle out of my day. If that makes me look a bit 'Liverpool' then fine, I can live with that.
Despite this, I think the banner should be redesigned and possibly used to replace the 12th Man banner so it doesn't obstruct peoples view
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You know that wanker who sits 5 seats away from me? The one who turns up 5 minutes late for every game, leaves 5 minutes before half-time so he can have (another) pie, returns 5 minutes after the restart with his coke/coffee, then leaves 5 or 10 minutes before the end, making me wonder why he's bothered coming to the game at all?
Can I get him banned?
If not, can I have permission to punch him in the face?
Yours sincerely,
Mr Angry,
Aston
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And he left TWENTY minutes before the end on Saturday!
(Lucky sod!)
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I'm with Luke 25 on this one to an extent, the fans have shown support for Stan, he's in remission (correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't see much reason to keep going on and on about it. Sorry I just find it all a bit maudlin and attention seeking. It's all Princess Di's fault, she turned the UK into a nation of wailers and teeth gnashers.
Oh an you could cut the banner into three horizontal strips, stitch them together at the sides, problem sorted. If you must.
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Does anyone remember The Pathetic Sharks?
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Can anyone who sits near me and spends three hours in the pub before getting to the match please empty every drop of piss BEFORE occupying their seat?
The constant up and down as you go to drain your feeble bladder is very annoying.
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Does anyone remember The Pathetic Sharks?
Me, they were hilarious
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Does anyone remember The Pathetic Sharks?
Me, they were hilarious
Aye
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(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314146_10151209329923615_1133342993_n.jpg)
The club seemed to love the banner previously!
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
Grow up !
Theres some touchy people on here.
And if you keep it up one of them won't be you. You've been asked to cut it out, so please do so.
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(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314146_10151209329923615_1133342993_n.jpg)
The club seemed to love the banner previously!
It's not the banner that's banned, surely it is the hanging of it in a position where it obscures the view of a lot of other people.
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(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314146_10151209329923615_1133342993_n.jpg)
The club seemed to love the banner previously!
And? From that pic, it looks like it is strung over some empty seats or ones that the people displaying it were sitting in. From the pic you posted in the OP. It is blocking the peoples view underneath. A minute is a long time in football, especially when a view is blocked. As mentioned by others, I'm sure the club would be happy with a smaller banner.
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(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314146_10151209329923615_1133342993_n.jpg)
The club seemed to love the banner previously!
It's not the banner that's banned, surely it is the hanging of it in a position where it obscures the view of a lot of other people.
There's no other way of hanging it! and at the end of the day it's 60 seconds
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(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314146_10151209329923615_1133342993_n.jpg)
The club seemed to love the banner previously!
It's not the banner that's banned, surely it is the hanging of it in a position where it obscures the view of a lot of other people.
There's no other way of hanging it! and at the end of the day it's 60 seconds
Yup, and it's 60 seconds that have annoyed some other people.
You'd have a case if you thought they were being a bit moany, but at the end of the day if it comes down to you v them, you're the ones in the wrong, not them, so there's not a lot you can do about it.
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There's no other way of hanging it! and at the end of the day it's 60 seconds
Well you aren't hanging it in the "club loves it" picture. And a corner at one end can lead to a goal at the other within 10 seconds.
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With there being a discussion on whether to continue the minutes applause for Stan, genuine question, are Bolton still doing it for Muamba? And I noticed the other week that Spurs fans did the same for Ledley King's shirt number/minute because he retired through injury. Does anyone know if this was just a one off or will be a regular thing?
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I'm with Luke 25 on this one to an extent, the fans have shown support for Stan, he's in remission (correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't see much reason to keep going on and on about it. Sorry I just find it all a bit maudlin and attention seeking. It's all Princess Di's fault, she turned the UK into a nation of wailers and teeth gnashers.
Oh an you could cut the banner into three horizontal strips, stitch them together at the sides, problem sorted. If you must.
As somebody going through similar issues to Stan I think I can say with some confidence that your condition is something that totally dominates your life, it becomes difficult to think of anything else as you don't know how long you have left. Shows of support, wherever they come from, are always welcome. You need a lot of help and love to get through it, it's very easy to get down about things and other people have a huge part to play in helping to keep your spirits up and to maintain a positive attitude.
The remission thing is greatly misunderstood, all it means is that the chemotherapy has got it under control, as you'd expect with a youngish fit man who was diagnosed early. It doesn't mean he's cured, far from it, and he has many more battles to face before he can start to think that way with any confidence.
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Spot on, Chris. I say keep the tribute going.
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My son and I were under the banner. Some of the regular season ticket holders who obviously didn't realise that Brigade had moved into this area seemed really pissed off with the banner obscuring the view. Some very heated discussions took place and at one stage it looked like a fight would break out. Maybe the club needed to explain to all existing ST holders about what was planned. It will be interesting to see if people relocate.
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I'm probably going to be ripped to pieces for this but do we really need to do the 19th minute applause this season? I totally understood it last season and Petrov knows were all fully behind him, continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool.
Logged into post that you're a moron for making such a post.
"continuing to do it is all abit Liverpool" - what the hell does that even mean? It's about doing the right thing and showing respect for our captain.
I'm a moron and your a fucking drama queen. Now is the time to let the bloke get on with his recovery in a dignified and quiet manner, he knows, we know and the rest of the country knows that we've backed him and will continue to back him through out it, we don't need to show it at every available opportunity as the Scousers do.
Grow up !
Theres some touchy people on here.
And if you keep it up one of them won't be you. You've been asked to cut it out, so please do so.
If you feel that what i've said is a worthy of a ban then go ahead.
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I think that the suggestion of replacing the twelve man banner has been the best one so far. We should never stop supporting Stan but if people are getting pissed at the banner make it a permanent part of the Holte until Stan gets the all clear.
Cannot wait until Sunday when KEA strikes from 30 yards at the stroke of 19 mins, it flies into the net and all the lads and lasses who have made the long trip up there will go wild, followed by another on 38 mins, so there..........
Support Stan until he gets the all clear, and then some more. IMV.
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Was there really any need for that? The comments by 'The Situation' have also been noted.
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Brigada, move back to L1....with your banners! I for one miss you!
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I'm with Luke 25 on this one to an extent, the fans have shown support for Stan, he's in remission (correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't see much reason to keep going on and on about it. Sorry I just find it all a bit maudlin and attention seeking. It's all Princess Di's fault, she turned the UK into a nation of wailers and teeth gnashers.
Oh an you could cut the banner into three horizontal strips, stitch them together at the sides, problem sorted. If you must.
As somebody going through similar issues to Stan I think I can say with some confidence that your condition is something that totally dominates your life, it becomes difficult to think of anything else as you don't know how long you have left. Shows of support, wherever they come from, are always welcome. You need a lot of help and love to get through it, it's very easy to get down about things and other people have a huge part to play in helping to keep your spirits up and to maintain a positive attitude.
The remission thing is greatly misunderstood, all it means is that the chemotherapy has got it under control, as you'd expect with a youngish fit man who was diagnosed early. It doesn't mean he's cured, far from it, and he has many more battles to face before he can start to think that way with any confidence.
Points well made and acknowledged. I had assumed remission meant the worst was over and he is on the mend. On reflection I can well imagine that any show of support would be a tremendous filip in a battle against such adversity. I wish you well in your battle too.
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Was there really any need for that? The comments by 'The Situation' have also been noted.
I s that me you mean ? Cause i would love to know what i have said wrong.
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Was there really any need for that? The comments by 'The Situation' have also been noted.
I s that me you mean ? Cause i would love to know what i have said wrong.
I believe it was aimed at luke25.
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Was there really any need for that? The comments by 'The Situation' have also been noted.
I s that me you mean ? Cause i would love to know what i have said wrong.
I believe it was aimed at luke25.
Cheers. Was wondering what or if i was out of order. Thanks.
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Just to come back to the 'should we continue the 19th minute applause' debate (which isn't really a debate, just a couple of people saying we shouldn't do it any more), I would have to agree with Chris Smith's assessment. Someone in Stan's position could never get tired of the support and I'm all for the carry on until he's got the all clear. As has been pointed out, remission isn't the end of the battle by any means, and keeping the 19th minute applause going is everyone's own way of saying 'we haven't forgotten you' and showing their support. It may not mean anything in the long run but it's a contribution that unites the fans and our way of showing our support.
As for comparing it to Liverpool in the attention-seeking stakes, I don't think it feels like that at all, the issues involved are completely different and aside from the first game after Stan's diagnosis it barely gets any attention outside of Villa Park, it's just the fans' way of keeping him in our thoughts.
Keep it going until he gets the all clear.
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I think the 19th minute applause is a good thing and Chris Smith's very apposite comments reinforce that view.
From my experience when I was living in Germany, some often very well-meaning actions taken by Ultras in the ground (banner-related, choreography-related etc. etc.) can lead to tension and ill-feeling if they're not communicated properly. People get especially pissed off if they can't see the game, and as I feel the same way I completely understand this. That's one reason why I've never understood the fascination for smoke bombs and pyrotechnics - a load of bollocks if you ask me.
For their part, the ultras, to some extent understandably, point to all the time, effort (and often expense) invested and wonder why everyone's being so miserable. This sort of thing can sow the seeds for long-term ill-feeling and the formation of pro and anti-ultras camps.
From what I've seen so far, Brigada seem like a fine bunch with plenty of energy and ideas who are likely to do a lot of good for the fan scene and atmosphere at VP. They just need to bear in mind the feelings of those not involved in or aware of what they're up to.
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I feel sure that if Stan ever found the 19th minute applause inappropriate/ embarrassing/ unnecessary he would, such is the relationship he has with the fans, communicate such feelings. The fact that so far he has not, indicates he still gets support and encouragement from it, so let it continue. Apart from the above surely it reminds the Villa players how fortunate they are being able to play and perhaps it should raise their game?
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Oh, and another thing, although we have never met Chris my thoughts and prayers are with you in your battle. With reference to your previous post elsewhere regarding a return to beer on recovery, may I recommend Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter- fine stuff.
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
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Oh, and another thing, although we have never met Chris my thoughts and prayers are with you in your battle. With reference to your previous post elsewhere regarding a return to beer on recovery, may I recommend Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter- fine stuff.
Agreed, MLF, a lovely drink and also thanks for the kind words (that goes for everyone else too).
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Please explain " mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality"
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
speachless
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Please explain " mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality"
Yeah. Explain. I would call the clapping the best way to show your support for a man who has been going through hell. Or am i not getting the Maukish load of bollox ?
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?
no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc
my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front
but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Surely a deliberate attempt to get peoples backs up?
Thats the kind of vitriol we've come to expect from the knuckle draggers from across the city (all of which I know personally have offered nothing but sympathy and compassion for Stan by the way).
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?
no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc
my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front
but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan
Firstly nobody has ever said those not singing etc are not real fans, and the point about standing is probably to do with stewards rather than other fans. Ideally a back section of a block would've been available for the group and then nobody else would be disturbed I believe that as the season go's on with comprise the group and others in the block will find a happy medium.
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Of course from a medical point of view it is the hospital treatment that's s all important but if you had any idea of the psychological impact of serious illness then you wouldn't and couldn't have posted such a load of ill informed nonsense. It's a minute of our time once a fortnight but for him it will mean the world.
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?
no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc
my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front
but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan
Firstly nobody has ever said those not singing etc are not real fans, and the point about standing is probably to do with stewards rather than other fans. Ideally a back section of a block would've been available for the group and then nobody else would be disturbed I believe that as the season go's on with comprise the group and others in the block will find a happy medium.
no but they are 'scum' according to one poster on the forums
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to me it seems like the 20-odd people in the ultras have relocated and think they can run the show in a new block of 5-600 people
Run the show? What by flying a banner for 60 seconds? Or do you mean actually trying to create some atmosphere?
no, i mean i have read your forum and have seen comments along the lines of "all our seats our dotted about but we are going to stand regardless" etc etc
my mate moved to L8 last year and said you made a right racket so fair play on the singing front
but based on the comments/attitude on your forum (and to a much lesser degree in this thread) it strikes me as - we are going to do whatever we want, stuff the 5-600 people sat directly around us, if you dont buy into our idea of atmosphere your not a real fan
Firstly nobody has ever said those not singing etc are not real fans, and the point about standing is probably to do with stewards rather than other fans. Ideally a back section of a block would've been available for the group and then nobody else would be disturbed I believe that as the season go's on with comprise the group and others in the block will find a happy medium.
no but they are 'scum' according to one poster on the forums
Is that a poster with a northern seaside town in his moniker?
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Of course from a medical point of view it is the hospital treatment that's s all important but if you had any idea of the psychological impact of serious illness then you wouldn't and couldn't have posted such a load of ill informed nonsense. It's a minute of our time once a fortnight but for him it will mean the world.
Although I cannot relate to this sentiment personally, this.
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I believe in the mind and body connection too. Unless you've been seriously ill or have a serious illness you shouldn't comment on such matters as you've never experienced. Having a positive mindset is so important to have when you're going through something similar to Petrov, and when you're that ill just really small things like a minute applause can have a big effect on you.
I also think motivation is a key factor to recovering quicker. If you set a goal and get motivated for that goal your body will want to get it where it is eventually. As much as its about getting treatment too having a positive outlook and trying to control your illness will improve your recovery. If you let your illness get the better of you you will get depressed and being negative which isn't good for the body.
It's not how many times you get knocked down, its how many times you get up.
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Everyone sympathises with the predicament of anyone, especially the young, when faced with a potentially life limiting illness.
No doubt good wishes can lift the spirits and help people face treatment and a poor prognosis. But let's be very clear here - the only thing that treats leukemia is chemotherapy. The clapping has made diddly squat difference to his illness being in remission now and will have no effect on its future course.
The sponsored clapathon in support of Petrov really should stop now and with it the mass maukish Liverpool-esque sentimentality.
Of course from a medical point of view it is the hospital treatment that's s all important but if you had any idea of the psychological impact of serious illness then you wouldn't and couldn't have posted such a load of ill informed nonsense. It's a minute of our time once a fortnight but for him it will mean the world.
To the various responses to my message.
@ Chris - I am far from ill informed on the psychological element of medical conditions and have acknowledged its role in helping people deal with the side effects of treatment and in cases of poor prognosis. Howver, I'm not aware of any links between improved psychological status and efficacy of chemo - perhaps you are aware of some research in which case I'd be very keen to read it.
@MOns XI - Maukish or Mawkish: 'Excessively or falsely sentimental; showing a sickly excess of sentiment'. Just my point of view, but I think it's excessive and in many cases false. A lot of people clap because they fear standing out by not clapping and not fitting in.
@Mortimer's Bear - Vitriol - 'bitterly scathing; caustic:'. My views are borne out of realisim, not bitterness. Moreover I'm not a 'knuckledragger' or trying to wind people up. I have simply stated an alternative point of view, which I suspect many people hold but are fearful of stating - see above.
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Pestria, you're missing the point. In between your treatment you have to deal with the psychological effect of having a condition that might kill you. That's with you every hour of every day, it's easy to get down and feel sorry for yourself. I know from personal experience how small acts of kindness can give you that lift when you need it. I've seen people on the ward bitter and struggling to cope, the treatment is often brutal and going into it in the wrong frame of mind makes it doubly difficult to deal with. I hope I'm not coming across as holier than thou, I'd have been similarly in the dark six months ago.
You're worried about how other people might perceive it, I think how Stylian reacts is far more pertinent. I was able to go down for the first time in 6 months on Saturday, the tribute moved me as I understood exactly how he would be feeling, when during it my son put his arm round me I was barely able to hold back the tears.
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If people can't stand and applaud someone for ONE minute, as a show of support for someone who is fighting a life threatening disease then I think that says more about them to be honest.
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Pestria, you're missing the point. In between your treatment you have to deal with the psychological effect of having a condition that might kill you. That's with you every hour of every day, it's easy to get down and feel sorry for yourself. I know from personal experience how small acts of kindness can give you that lift when you need it. I've seen people on the ward bitter and struggling to cope, the treatment is often brutal and going into it in the wrong frame of mind makes it doubly difficult to deal with. I hope I'm not coming across as holier than thou, I'd have been similarly in the dark six months ago.
You're worried about how other people might perceive it, I think how Stylian reacts is far more pertinent. I was able to go down for the first time in 6 months on Saturday, the tribute moved me as I understood exactly how he would be feeling, when during it my son put his arm round me I was barely able to hold back the tears.
Thanks for your thoughts on this Chris, it gives us all a great insight into the mind set of the whole situation. Thank you.
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I can't hold back the tears either now Chris. My thoughts and best wishes are with you.
What a deeply touching post.
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And lock the thread.
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And lock the thread.
I think you're right. If anyone else wants to comment on here, PM a mod.