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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rick_avfc on August 24, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
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Bad news, he has suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury in his right knee - out for 8-9 months! Gutted for him :-(
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2899214,00.html
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Bad news, he has suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury in his right knee - out for 8-9 months! Gutted for him :-(
Oh bloody hell.
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Absolutely gutted, is this the same knee as last time?
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Yeah, the dreaded ACL injury. That's really disappointing for him.
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Absolutely gutted, is this the same knee as last time?
nope! it was his left knee last time
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Shit
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Does he live in a house full of black cats and broken mirrors? Bloody hell. Gutted for him. It's such an important age for him as a footballer too. This will really effect his development.
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Injuries thread (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47522.50)
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Interesting article on the OS about how Gary's recovery is coming along.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3066712,00.html
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Wilshere's performance tonight after 15 months out kinda gives hope that Gary will fulfill his potential. His attitude has always been spot-on judging from the interviews he gives.
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His attitude always seems exceptional in interviews. I think he could be a big player for us still, and give Lambert an option he doesn't have at the moment. Get him in there with Westwood and Sylla or Delph, who has been really impressive of late.
If we go down, the biggest frustration is how close we are to being a really really good team, we have some very good players that when we get our confidence up you can see playing really well.
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Can't wait see this fella back properly next season. Hopefully he can stay injury free and make a real impact in the game.
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He has the sort of presence we've been lacking, and (potentially) provides plenty of drive in midfield. I also think he struggled with McLeish's style. He could flourish with how Lambert wants to play.
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He needs a run in the team. He is different to what we currently have. Big things are expected.
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Must say I like what he says about Ron Vlaar. That's exactly the sort of character we need, and what a skipper should be doing. He's not been great on the pitch obviously, but if he improves and gets a decent partner next season, he could yet be a key player for us in the next few years.
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He needs a run in the team. He is different to what we currently have. Big things are expected.
Of all the younger players gardner is the best in my view.
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He has the sort of presence we've been lacking, and (potentially) provides plenty of drive in midfield. I also think he struggled with McLeish's style. He could flourish with how Lambert wants to play.
Dont think he has ever shown any semblance of presence in the first team. Lack of mobility was a worry before the injury and that would be the biggest concern for him when he comes back. Best of luck to the lad.
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Must say I like what he says about Ron Vlaar. That's exactly the sort of character we need, and what a skipper should be doing. He's not been great on the pitch obviously, but if he improves and gets a decent partner next season, he could yet be a key player for us in the next few years.
Vlaar seemed to be a bit of a scapegoat after last Saturday's game. He was at fault for the goal because he just didn't seem to get up to challenge Fellaini but I thought he was solid for the rest of the game. He also strikes me as someone who will be talking to his teammates throughout the game (something I doubt many others do and should) - and that's a quality that's unlikely to be picked up unless you're one of his teammates.
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Another one of our youth players who will never be EPL standard.
File along with his brother, Ridgewell and Cahill ... oh ...
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Indeed I don't think Vlaar has been too bad this season, and he seems to have the right character.
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He doesn't seem to have that burst of place like Wilshire, but I like the fact that he seems to get himself in good positions in and around the box,and lack of pace never done Lampard any harm.
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I think he really would have added something to us this season and a player I really rate as having very good potential , still will be like signing a new player next season ......in what ever division we find ourselves
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I still have high hopes that he's going to be a star player for us. Definitely has the quality. Just need to get him game time. If we were to get relegated then he will be able to grow so much in midfield for us next year. It might be hard for us to shoehorn him into our team if we are still in the Premier League.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
I was thinking that. Although it is no longer a career ending ending injury, very often they're never the same player afterwards and he's had 2 of them. Poor sod.
Fingers crossed for him, he's had shit luck.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
I was thinking that. Although it is no longer a career ending ending injury, very often they're never the same player afterwards and he's had 2 of them. Poor sod.
Fingers crossed for him, he's had shit luck.
Wilshire? Didn't he have a similar injury? He was superb last night.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
I was thinking that. Although it is no longer a career ending ending injury, very often they're never the same player afterwards and he's had 2 of them. Poor sod.
Fingers crossed for him, he's had shit luck.
Wilshire? Didn't he have a similar injury? He was superb last night.
Yes, but GG has had two.
It must take a toll, the one advantage is his age.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
I was thinking that. Although it is no longer a career ending ending injury, very often they're never the same player afterwards and he's had 2 of them. Poor sod.
Fingers crossed for him, he's had shit luck.
Wilshire? Didn't he have a similar injury? He was superb last night.
Vlaar had the same issues as Gardner and has made it back to be a full international for holland, it can happen so long as the player is mentally strong enough to keep going. I think GG is and i think he'll be a great player for us.
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He could really help provide some goals from midfield which has been missing this season. Any idea when he will be match fit?
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He needs a run in the team. He is different to what we currently have. Big things are expected.
Of all the younger players gardner is the best in my view.
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He was progressing well, along with the likes of Clarke and Weimann until his latest injury, and seeing how they have progressed i have high hopes for him
In my opinion he is the most naturally gifted of the younger players coming through, and was looking the most likely to be a top class PL player.
Hopefully he gets to fulfil that potential.
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I have never seen him play in the reserves, but everytime he has played first team football, I have been left wondering what I am supposed to be seeing in him?
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I have never seen him play in the reserves, but everytime he has played first team football, I have been left wondering what I am supposed to be seeing in him?
It was hard for him to show his full potential in Alex McLeish's Aston Villa. Last season I thought he looked very good in the away match to Wolves (his debut?) but as things became more desperate for Villa he got more and more lost in McLeish's backs-to-the-wall negative tactics. Despite this, he made a telling contribution, firing the long range shot v Fulham at home that Andi Weimann bundled in.
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I have never seen him play in the reserves, but everytime he has played first team football, I have been left wondering what I am supposed to be seeing in him?
I think that he needs time in a winning side with some nurturing, experienced players around him. Hopefully, that'll be at Villa in next season's EPL.
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I thought he looked quality when he came on as a sub at Newcastle last season. Drove the team forward in search of an equaliser.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
That's a very good point.
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I think he will still. Those injuries are totally different now, and while it is a long time out, it is a better fix than say if Gabby started to struggle with him hamstrings as they are harder to put right long term, despite being out a shorter period. Vlaar, Van Horselface, Wilshire, and many, many more are playing top level following serious knee injuries that they now know how to fix.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
That's a very good point.
Possibly, but treatment and rehabilitation are so much more advanced these days that I don't think we can say that with any certainty.
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Given the severity of the two injuries he has had a at such a young age I doubt he will ever get back to his full potential.
That's a very good point.
Possibly, but treatment and rehabilitation are so much more advanced these days that I don't think we can say that with any certainty.
I'm more worried by the time he's missed than if he'll be fit enough.
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He'll be our captain next season when we win the championship at a canter with 100+ points. He needs to start growing that Mortimer-style beard pronto.
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He was the best player on the park in every single one of the NextGen games I saw last year, he's going to be a major star if he fully recovers from this injury.
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I'm by no means writing him off, and of course it was hard to judge him last season under TSM, but I too was at a little bit of a loss to understand quite why he was considered to be the great hope from the youth team. He wasn't a bad player at all, he just didn't seem particularly good at any one thing that you could point to.
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He was the best player on the park in every single one of the NextGen games I saw last year, he's going to be a major star if he fully recovers from this injury.
Do you think that was anything to do with his size PW? I didn't see much NextGen but I wasn't particularly impressed with his reserve outings, apart from the odd one.
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To be fair to him he found Rudolph's lost red nose and saved Christmas. This was during the mini panto at the JV life party at the Tamworth snow dome. My six year old daughter thinks he is a God.
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I agree with ads and Riss about Gardner. I've just not seen it yet with him. He seems to be one of those players who are just there. Certainly claims of him being the next Hoddle or Gerrard appear to be a bit much. Still, he is young and will hopefully develop.
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To be fair to him he found Rudolph's lost red nose and saved Christmas. This was during the mini panto at the JV life party at the Tamworth snow dome. My six year old daughter thinks he is a God.
I saw that on avtv. His acting was fookin' shocking. Just as well he's the next Sid Cowans.
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Can't be any worse than Bannan
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I'm surprised people have seen nothing special in Gardner.
It was at a lowly level, but he was the best player on the pitch by a distance in the NextGen and for England U21. Scored a hat-trick against Ajax and two goals from off the bench for England including free kicks, shots and headers. He could barely have been more impressive.
We will never know how good he might have been. No doubt his injuries will have taken their toll. Still time for him though and I wish him all the best as I am excited about his return.
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I'm surprised people have seen nothing special in Gardner.
It was at a lowly level, but he was the best player on the pitch by a distance in the NextGen and for England U21. Scored a hat-trick against Ajax and two goals from off the bench for England including free kicks, shots and headers. He could barely have been more impressive.
We will never know how good he might have been. No doubt his injuries will have taken their toll. Still time for him though and I wish him all the best as I am excited about his return.
He looks fantastic from those videos, but when he has played for the first team he hasn't shown anything like that form or ability. He needs a run of games in the midfield, as a starter.
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I'm surprised people have seen nothing special in Gardner.
It was at a lowly level, but he was the best player on the pitch by a distance in the NextGen and for England U21. Scored a hat-trick against Ajax and two goals from off the bench for England including free kicks, shots and headers. He could barely have been more impressive.
We will never know how good he might have been. No doubt his injuries will have taken their toll. Still time for him though and I wish him all the best as I am excited about his return.
He looks fantastic from those videos, but when he has played for the first team he hasn't shown anything like that form or ability. He needs a run of games in the midfield, as a starter.
It was his shot against Fulham that led to Weimann's tap in and valuable winner that kept us up. I also think he was really good against Wolves and Newcastle. He's certainly shown promise at a Premier League level, we just need him to stay injury free and he'll be better than Delph, Bannan and KEA in our current midfield.
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Yeah, I thought the Newcastle game turned in our favour after he came on,shame we didn't get anything out of it.
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For me, he's shown glimpses, feint glimpses of being a David Platt type player, not particularly good at passing or visionary, not particularly good at defending, but someone who'll get in the box offering the potential to score vital goals, and who has a good shot on him. I definitely don't have him down as a Sid Cowans type player, Samir Carruthers offer that kind of comparison, but I for the life of me cannot fathom how he is never given a chance to prove it.
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I'm surprised people have seen nothing special in Gardner.
It was at a lowly level, but he was the best player on the pitch by a distance in the NextGen and for England U21. Scored a hat-trick against Ajax and two goals from off the bench for England including free kicks, shots and headers. He could barely have been more impressive.
We will never know how good he might have been. No doubt his injuries will have taken their toll. Still time for him though and I wish him all the best as I am excited about his return.
I'm with Bob, can't believe people have hung him out to dry based on a few cameo appearances in a struggling first team, anyone who saw the nextgen games knows what this lad can do, if he comes back sound and gets a run in the team you'll see what everyone was raving about. What I like apart from his goalscoring and work rate is that he's a leader, he's always talking to the other players trying to get more out of them, remember one of the youth players (think it was Carruthers?) messed about and fluffed a chance against Marseille rather than square it for a simple tap in, Gardner grabbed him and gave him a proper bollocking reminded me of the sort of thing Roy Keane used to do.
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He's missed so much time out through injury who knows what he's going to be like?
That said I thought under McLeish he looked like he could be a goalscoring midfield player. I remember three or four occasions where he'd got into decent positions but lacked the composure to see it through. A few efforts snatched at.
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I have never seen him play in the reserves, but everytime he has played first team football, I have been left wondering what I am supposed to be seeing in him?
It was hard for him to show his full potential in Alex McLeish's Aston Villa. Last season I thought he looked very good in the away match to Wolves (his debut?) but as things became more desperate for Villa he got more and more lost in McLeish's backs-to-the-wall negative tactics. Despite this, he made a telling contribution, firing the long range shot v Fulham at home that Andi Weimann bundled in.
The only thing I recall him doing at Wolves is missing a sitter in the first five minutes.
He would obviously need time and if he is good enough, then great. I just haven't seen anything from him to suggest he is good as his brother yet.
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I have never seen him play in the reserves, but everytime he has played first team football, I have been left wondering what I am supposed to be seeing in him?
It was hard for him to show his full potential in Alex McLeish's Aston Villa. Last season I thought he looked very good in the away match to Wolves (his debut?) but as things became more desperate for Villa he got more and more lost in McLeish's backs-to-the-wall negative tactics. Despite this, he made a telling contribution, firing the long range shot v Fulham at home that Andi Weimann bundled in.
The only thing I recall him doing at Wolves is missing a sitter in the first five minutes.
He would obviously need time and if he is good enough, then great. I just haven't seen anything from him to suggest he is good as his brother yet.
He missed a free header after about a minute.
Not seen anything (other than Jack Wilshere big him up) to suggest there's a decent player in there.
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Yeah, but you two are imossible to please.
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I'm with Bob, can't believe people have hung him out to dry based on a few cameo appearances in a struggling first team, anyone who saw the nextgen games knows what this lad can do, if he comes back sound and gets a run in the team you'll see what everyone was raving about. What I like apart from his goalscoring and work rate is that he's a leader, he's always talking to the other players trying to get more out of them, remember one of the youth players (think it was Carruthers?) messed about and fluffed a chance against Marseille rather than square it for a simple tap in, Gardner grabbed him and gave him a proper bollocking reminded me of the sort of thing Roy Keane used to do.
No one's hanging him out to dry yet. To do so would be just as ridiculous as the next Hoddle, Platt, Cowans type comments. I wouldn't be surprised if he in time became a more than capable Premier League player, but as of yet, I'm yet to be convinced he is going to be a big star. Barry Bannan looked a fantastic player in the reserves and youth teams. Now most on here seem to be convinced he isn't good enough to be a League One player.
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Exactly, I like to see something impressive before I will be impressed. I am not saying he is incapable of impressing me or that he won't go on to be a good player. I would just quite like to see it before I believe it.
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Time will tell but there is a difference in playing in a youth team full of confidence to a senior team drained of any whatsoever.
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He has made 17 1st team appearances, some of those just a few minutes. How can people virtually write him off as just another average player. Give the kid a chance.
Everybody has an opinion but there are so many that are being totally negative about absolutely everything. There is not much to be upbeat about but there have been worse times, much worse.
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It will be interesting to see what he will be like with Westwood and co under Paul Lambert. I am not sure about his potential as I haven't really watched him yet so I have no opinon. Will he be back in next few weeks ?
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It will be interesting to see what he will be like with Westwood and co under Paul Lambert. I am not sure about his potential as I haven't really watched him yet so I have no opinon. Will he be back in next few weeks ?
Next season i think salsa!
Hows the dancing going my friend, still as busy?
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I have seen him play for the reserves many times and he is head and shoulders above them. Let's hope he makes the step up if he can get full fit again. Carruthers also impressed.
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Good to have him back in contention shortly.
I worry about the injuries though reducing the effectiveness of his game. Two cruciates already in his career is horrendous luck.
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Must admit when the threads popped up last week of who would stay if we went down, I completely forget about GG as a midfield option.
He was doing very well on loan at Coventry last season so he's certainly one you'd bank on staying and leading the fight back if the worst happens.
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Does anyone know how Carruthers has been doing this season for the Reserves or whatever it's called now? I would have thought we'd have farmed him out to a Ch'ship/Leage 1 side by now to gain experience as after Gardner he seemed to be the next most talented of the young'uns.
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Pity we haven't had GG, Dunne and Stan all fit this season. Just rotten bad luck!
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Percy: sure his size and strength helps him be physically superior to his opponents at youth level but it was less of a factor in the ressies where he was again the stand out player on most occasions I saw. On his game the player he most reminds me of is Bryan Robson, a competitive goal threat.
I should add the caveat that I also said all this about Mark Blake and thought Yorke would struggle to get a game for Walsall.
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Percy: sure his size and strength helps him be physically superior to his opponents at youth level but it was less of a factor in the ressies where he was again the stand out player on most occasions I saw. On his game the player he most reminds me of is Bryan Robson, a competitive goal threat.
I should add the caveat that I also said all this about Mark Blake and thought Yorke would struggle to get a game for Walsall.
Maybe just the games I've seen, but he's never stood out for me in the ressies.
I also thought Mark Blake would make it, but I always rated Yorkie.
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Was it the same cruciate he did?
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Does anyone know how Carruthers has been doing this season for the Reserves or whatever it's called now? I would have thought we'd have farmed him out to a Ch'ship/Leage 1 side by now to gain experience as after Gardner he seemed to be the next most talented of the young'uns.
Can't believe we haven't loaned ot Carruthers tbh.
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Was it the same cruciate he did?
I'm sure he said the other day that it was the other knee that he did.
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Yeah, other knee I think.
I think that's probably better than being the same one, would you agree?
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He has done both now. Its better than it being the same knee - if it was the same knee it would suggest a weakness that nobody could ever be sure wouldn't lead to further problems so it is the better of 2 evils.
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You don't need it in either knee, but if needs must then both knees is prolly better innit.
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Eggsackerly
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Yep I'll be going all out to have a double cruciate the next time I play football....;)