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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on August 03, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
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A.
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D.
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Great topic. Difficult to decide. I liked Houllier. So, I can't vote for him.
I'm going for MON - purely for the way he walked out.
McLeish was a total prick with the way he got us going on the pitch, but him being in that job wasn't his fault, and he couldn't exactly turn it down, could he?
DOL - well, he was a twat.
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A.
And always A.
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I could do with 3 votes.
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A.
And always A.
This.
And always this.
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McLeish.
O'Leary is distant enough to have largely forgotten about, MON had his annoying faults, plus the manner of his departure sticks in the craw, but otherwise did well for us, Houllier was a bit out of touch and was a master of tactlessness, but wasn't here long enough to do that much damage.
McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
Woefully out of his depth, and at times living in fantasy world with some of his excuses. The only people who should hang their heads in shame more about last season are the dolts who appointed him in the first place.
What on earth were they thinking? I still can not believe they actually did it.
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£5 on Chris Smith chosing D, please.
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McLeish.
O'Leary is distant enough to have largely forgotten about, MON had his annoying faults, plus the manner of his departure sticks in the craw, but otherwise did well for us, Houllier was a bit out of touch and was a master of tactlessness, but wasn't here long enough to do that much damage.
McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
Woefully out of his depth, and at times living in fantasy world with some of his excuses.
For all of this, he still doesn't wind me up like O'Leary. Hearing him on radio or TV triggers a tourettes-like response every time.
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PS great thread, reckon this will be 10 pages plus by this afternoon.
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It is tough. They all had their faults.
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McLeish.
O'Leary is distant enough to have largely forgotten about, MON had his annoying faults, plus the manner of his departure sticks in the craw, but otherwise did well for us, Houllier was a bit out of touch and was a master of tactlessness, but wasn't here long enough to do that much damage.
McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
Woefully out of his depth, and at times living in fantasy world with some of his excuses.
For all of this, he still doesn't wind me up like O'Leary. Hearing him on radio or TV triggers a tourettes-like response every time.
This really winds me up.
TalkSport love having the c**t on.
Always acts like he's Mr.Innocent.
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Has to be TSM.
Simply for his gutless, clueless and leaderless post match interviews last season where he was clearly deluded and so far detracted from reality it was almost scary at times.
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DOL thought we couldn't compete with the likes of Charlton.
MON tried to compete with the strongest teams in the league, and arguably did at times.
Mcleish tried to get us competing with Leeds and Sheff Wed
Houllier probably shouldn't be up here.
It will always be O'Leary. Never forgive him for the fickle comment. We pay our money to come and watch the team play, and when we are 3-1 down in the cup against a team from two leagues below containing Tommy Mooney, I think there is just cause for criticism. The pug nosed twat
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Has to be TSM.
Simply for his gutless, clueless and leaderless post match interviews last season where he was clearly deluded and so far detracted from reality it was almost scary at times.
He never took any responsibility. Used to piss me off.
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Still, to this day, I cannot believe that Lerner and Faulkner actually appointed him. FFS. What was they thinking. They should win the wind up award for that!
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O'Leary. The memory of his condescending attitude towards the fans still annoys me even now.
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Has to be McLeish. The smug twat waltzed into our ground like he fucking owned it, promised things that he could never deliver ( a winning streak of more than 1 game for instance ) blamed every body else for those bloody awful displays of totally negative football, made us feel inferior to every other team ( the young lions going to the theatre of dreams was the fucking biggest insult to our club ever made on SSN.....Wanker ), he would not fuck off, he punched the air with glee when we actually managed a draw ( ****** !),he wore the Claret and Blue tie like he had some sort of right to do so(fuckface), he gave press conferences backing his own ineptitude and lack of managerial pedigree ( cockface).When he was sacked, the cheeky twat actually had the cheek to look surprised( absolute wankbucket),he nearly got us relegated,and took our club back to bad,bad days.
McLeish,why oh why did he ever get through the fucking front door.
M
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Where's the none of them option?
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FFS. None?
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O'Leary. Absolute twat.
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A....... Pig Face.
First, last and always.
He should be given a gold medal for Spineless Gutless Arrogant Lying. One of the best days work Deadly did before he relinquished power was getting the biggest most utter scumbag ever associated with our club as far away from Villa Park as possible.
I was having a pleasant morning and feeling happy till I saw him staring back at me out of my computer screen. Now I am just in a bad mood and will have to find some other threads to rant and have an argument till I calm down.
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McLeish.
O'Leary is distant enough to have largely forgotten about, MON had his annoying faults, plus the manner of his departure sticks in the craw, but otherwise did well for us, Houllier was a bit out of touch and was a master of tactlessness, but wasn't here long enough to do that much damage.
McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
Woefully out of his depth, and at times living in fantasy world with some of his excuses. The only people who should hang their heads in shame more about last season are the dolts who appointed him in the first place.
What on earth were they thinking? I still can not believe they actually did it.
What he said. Bang on.
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Has to be O'Dreary
The way he ran across the pitch at the Sty still sends shivers down my spine
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FFS. None?
All of them have wound me up in the past. None of them do now. If it's a case of who has wound you up most then it would be MON.
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Dolly, for sure. As badly as it ended with Mon at least there were times during his spell in charge where I believed we on the verge of something special.
As for TSM I almost feel sorry for him. He was SO inept, and by the end you could see he was a dead man walking, staggering around like a punch drunk boxer.
And I really can't get angry about Houllier.
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O'Leary. a gold medal tosser.
UTV
The Doc
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MON for me because people who didnt see what was going on a VP love him to bits, the press adore him and they forget about the money wasted on players not used or played out of position on wages no one else would pay them, and for him leaving the way he did.
ODREARY and TSM were also crap.
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BOO HOO ! IM FEELING LEFT OUT !
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McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
This for me. Things went horribly wrong with O'Leary, especially towards the end, but you could see some semblence of logic in his appointment. Mcleish though, was a staggeringly, bizarrely, freakishly, nonsensicallly bad appointment. And he proved it.
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I can probably discount option D on the grounds of his ill health! But the rest so difficult to choose.
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Christ, where to start?!
I think I'd have to pick O'Leary, although they all have their faults. I did actually enjoy O'Leary's first season, especially after Christmas, but the one thing that continues to stick in my craw where he's concerned is the [mis]use of the word fickle. Any criticism of anything from the fans and it gets trotted out, usally after the words, "O'Leary WAS right, Villa fans ARE....".
I'd then go for O'Neill, purely for wasting such an incredible amount of money and buying absolute deadbeats like Harewood and Heskey.
Then I'd put Houllier and McLeish jointly, McLeish for being spectacularly inept and the worst Villa manager in a generation; and Houllier for being rubbish and all the stupid foot-in-mouth comments.
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I'll go for McCatpiss.
Did his utmost to relegate us and got us playing the worst brand of football I can ever remember at Villa Park.
O'Leary and O'Neill are egomaniacs who saw themselves bigger than the club.
Houllier was well past his sell by date.
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Personally I don't think Houllier should be up there, he never really done nothing wrong for us and was aiming to achieve what Lambert is and get us playing football not hoofball.
Just looking at TSM I want to tear him a new orifice, not so much for the boring negative football, not for playing players out of position, not for his useless team formations and not for nearly getting us relegated.
I hate him for the way he refused to accept any responsibility for how shite we were, he blamed everyone and everything but never once put his hands up and said sorry, I got it wrong and he had the audacity to claim the majority of the Villa fans supported him and it was only a small minority that wanted him sacked.
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McLeish, on the other hand, is a football pariah, and in one season, managed to make me embarassed to support Aston Villa, had the rest of the league hoping we'd go down, and played the most humiliating, defensive, unambitious football I have seen at Villa Park in decades.
This for me. Things went horribly wrong with O'Leary, especially towards the end, but you could see some semblence of logic in his appointment. Mcleish though, was a staggeringly, bizarrely, freakishly, nonsensicallly bad appointment. And he proved it.
Yes, he shouldn't have got the job in the first place, but the fact that he did is a criticism of the board and not TSM himself.
After that he did he best, which was nowhere near good enough, but you always felt he was honoured to be Villa manager and treated the job with respect.
MON may not have had that respect in the way he left, but at least when he was here he talked us up and had us competing at the right end of the table.
And then there's David O'pleasefuckoff. Thought he was doing us a favour by being here and would happily tell us so. One good season followed by slow deterioration, which was due to just having an 'honest bunch of lads' to work with. Grade A wanker and I hope he rots in the 12th layer of Hell alongside Bono and the bloke that invented 'text speak'.
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O'Leary. The memory of his condescending attitude towards the fans still annoys me even now.
Even TSM did not wind me up as much as him. A self-serving idiot, who managed to do the unthinkable and alienate every single fan (bar one on here as I recall ;-) ).
That Doncaster game and subsequent comments will last long in the memory for me.
TSM was simply a hopeless manager inexplicably elevated to manager of our great club. He was clueless and useless, but at least his understand what it meant to be our manager and said the right things. O'Dreary spent most of his time behaving as if he was doing us a favor by managing us.
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Mcshit, he never should have got the job and he was a ****** from start to finish, it was never him it was the players etc, At least Dolly started off ok
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After that he did he best, which was nowhere near good enough, but you always felt he was honoured to be Villa manager and treated the job with respect.
I know it depends on what you define as "respect", but for me, sending us out to play for a draw, and then to keep the score down, so often is not showing the Villa job the respect it deserves. The frequency with which we were devoid of ambition, and embarassed ourselves, for me don't reflect respect for the club.
Neither does punching the air after managing to hold on for a point at home to Stoke, having lead with 10 mins to go.
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At least Dolly started off ok
And boy did he let us know how good he was as a manager during the good times. Or at least he did whilst pausing from eulogizing over Leeds and Arsenal.
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After that he did he best, which was nowhere near good enough, but you always felt he was honoured to be Villa manager and treated the job with respect.
I know it depends on what you define as "respect", but for me, sending us out to play for a draw, and then to keep the score down, so often is not showing the Villa job the respect it deserves. The frequency with which we were devoid of ambition, and embarassed ourselves, for me don't reflect respect for the club.
Neither does punching the air after managing to hold on for a point at home to Stoke, having lead with 10 mins to go.
I get what you mean, but for me those were more signs of his lack of ability and playing style than his attitude towards being Villa manager. He was proud to have the job, but didn't know how to do it properly.
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DOL. We have never really shaken that fickle tag.
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It as got to be O'Leary for me.
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DOL is out in front. Expected more votes for MON if I'm honest.
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DOL is out in front. Expected more votes for MON if I'm honest.
The extent to which MON wound people up is going to be affected by the fact he got good league finishes with us, which cancels out the ill-feeling for many (not surprising, really).
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Definitely TSM. O'Leary was long ago now and my feelings towards him have almost been forgotten, and at least MON and Houiller actually did do some good things for the club, unlike McLeish.
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In order:
McLeish.
McLeish.
McLeish.
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McLeish.
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That one game at Anfield with Houlier in charge made me as angry as any time I have been a Villa supporter. For someone so intelligent is was astonishing behavior.
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That one game at Anfield with Houlier in charge made me as angry as any time I have been a Villa supporter. For someone so intelligent is was astonishing behavior.
I'd have to agree with that, it was about as tactless and humiliating as it gets.
God only knows what he thought he was doing, and how that'd go down.
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Definitely TSM. O'Leary was long ago now and my feelings towards him have almost been forgotten, and at least MON and Houiller actually did do some good things for the club, unlike McLeish.
Only thing I can think of is signing Bent, and even that was more down to Randy's money, IMO.
I can see the argument that had he stayed he may have changed things round for the better, but while he was here we had poor results overall, dressing room bust ups and PR gaffs.
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That one game at Anfield with Houlier in charge made me as angry as any time I have been a Villa supporter. For someone so intelligent is was astonishing behavior.
I'd have to agree with that, it was about as tactless and humiliating as it gets.
God only knows what he thought he was doing, and how that'd go down.
Yes, that was abysmal. I don't think he ever really recovered from that.
Sentimentally touching the "This is Anfield" sign
Waving at the Liverpool fans
Saying if he lost to anybody then he was glad it was Liverpool
You could almost understand and excuse maybe one of the above, but taken all together and combined with the fact that he hadn't set the world alight at Villa when he did it, well he rightfully got dog's abuse.
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David O'C**t. Without any shadow of doubt. For the following reasons:
* The "fickle" comment.
* Repeated sycophantic schmoozing of Leeds and Arsenal
* "We cannot compete with the Milton Keyneses of the league".
* Doncaster.
* His celebration towards HDE at the Stinking Sty.
* His unforgiveable "mystery" letter to HDE. Really? All of those players think the chairman is a tool?
All wrappeed up in a personality best described as a Grade-A, narcissistic, pug-nosed faced, unemployable c***. TSM can only hope to be that dislikeable in his lifetime, but he's learning. Houllier was clumsy and O'Neill only had us hating him after he left.
O'C**t is, was and will always be... a c***.
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David O'C**t. Without any shadow of doubt. For the following reasons:
* The "fickle" comment.
* Repeated sycophantic schmoozing of Leeds and Arsenal
* "We cannot compete with the Milton Keyneses of the league".
* Doncaster.
* His celebration towards HDE at the Stinking Sty.
* His unforgiveable "mystery" letter to HDE. Really? All of those players think the chairman is a tool?
All wrappeed up in a personality best described as a Grade-A, narcissistic, pug-nosed faced, unemployable c***. TSM can only hope to be that dislikeable in his lifetime, but he's learning. Houllier was clumsy and O'Neill only had us hating him after he left.
O'C**t is, was and will always be... a c***.
That says it for me.
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as Jacko said A B C
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E: For God's sake, LET IT FUCKING GO!
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O'Leary
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I dont even hate McLeish, he may have been shit but that is not his fault. He always said the right things about the club. Contrast with O'Leary who tried his best at all times to antagonise the entire supporter base with every pig nosed uttering!
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I don't hate or get annoyed by any of them purely because they're for differing reasons not worth it. If I had to choose one, though, it would be O'Leary because that 'fickle' comment has caused us so much damage over the years.
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Nuff said.
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I think they've all annoyed me at some point but if i were choose one it would be DOL. It was a sensible appointment at the time which not too many people argued with but his success with Leeds went to his head. He never really took to working on a budget and his manner came across that we should have been grateful that he was our manager rather than the other way round. He should have gone after the Doncaster defeat and the fact that he's still waiting for that 'big job' speaks volumes.
MON's fixation at playing players out of position (Carlos, Sidwell, Delph, NRC, Petrov) used to grate me. Sidwell, Delph, Petrov and maybe to a lesser extent NRC were all known for weighing in with goals from midfield but he turned them all into midfielder cloggers and it did'nt work. You look back at Stan's debut down at West Ham and you wonder why he was'nt encouraged to do it again. He deserved all the flak he took for walking out when he did but it went on too long for me.
Mcleish should never have been on the shortlist never mind been offered the job. It's a moment Randy and Paul Faulkner will look back on in years to come and they'll admit eventually it was a massive mistake. I don't blame him for taking the job, he'd have been stupid to turn it down and he seemed genuinely pleased to be here but he just was'nt good enough and it might in the end do his career more harm than good. Wigan away last season convinced me his time was up. Oh and Alan Hutton.
You could see what Houiller was trying to do and his signings were a step in the right direction but that team selection for the cup game up at Man City just as he was starting to turn the doubters round was utter stupidty and the perfomance up at Anfield (on and off the pitch) was as bad as i've seen.
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We're not fickle, we just don't like you. Everything about that sugarbag hacks me off. So I am pleased he has found his level. This section lifted from wiki outlines his most recent football activity:
Al-Ahli
O'Leary returned to management on 4 July 2010 with United Arab Emirates club Al-Ahli Dubai, where his first decision was to install former Italy captain Fabio Cannavaro as the new skipper of the team. On 2 April 2011, O'Leary was relieved of his duties following a 5-1 defeat at the hands of Al Jazira.[5][6] On 22 April 2011, Al-Ahli officially announced its decision to sack O'Leary with his assistant coach Roy Aitken.[7] When he was sacked, O'Leary had two years remaining on a three year contract. In March 2012, he asked FIFA for help in getting compensation from Al-Ahli for the early termination of his contract.
What a turnip (my words not wiki's)
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Excellent topic.
We seem to be particularly good at appointing arseholes.
Despite his foot in mouth moments, I liked Houllier. IT probably makes a difference that I always liked the Pink Panther films. To be fair to him, a lot of what PL is doing now is what he was trying to do without the luxury of a summer transfer window to give him a head start.
McLeish should never have had the job, but should still have done a lot better than he did. He had his spineless sleazebag moments and that letter marks him down a lot. But for sheer bareface c*ntishness he is not in the same league as O'Leary and O'Neill.
O'Neill for me. He did far more harm to the club.
At least with O'Leary I could comfort myself with the thought that he was a dead man walking, although looking across at the smug twat from the Rossington End at Doncaster took a lot of getting past.
O'Neill shades it. He had the best working conditions of any Villa manager I can remember. He pissed it out of the window on an ego trip then dropped us in the mire by leaving at the time he did. Vindictive. Then he had the nerve to come back and sue for unfair dismissal. I wish he'd get the job at Anfield or OT. Sunderland have never done anything bad enough to deserve him.
If I were to meet O'Leary I could at least amuse myself by asking him how things are going nowadays. With O'Neill I'd have to resist the temptation to spit in his face.
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David O'C**t. Without any shadow of doubt. For the following reasons:
* The "fickle" comment.
* Repeated sycophantic schmoozing of Leeds and Arsenal
* "We cannot compete with the Milton Keyneses of the league".
* Doncaster.
* His celebration towards HDE at the Stinking Sty.
* His unforgiveable "mystery" letter to HDE. Really? All of those players think the chairman is a tool?
All wrappeed up in a personality best described as a Grade-A, narcissistic, pug-nosed faced, unemployable c***. TSM can only hope to be that dislikeable in his lifetime, but he's learning. Houllier was clumsy and O'Neill only had us hating him after he left.
O'C**t is, was and will always be... a c***.
When you put it like that then how could I disagree!
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Such a tough one to decide!
O'dreary was the 1st person to make me feel "meh" about the Villa, it used to be dull gutless and uninspiring. I remember my mum coming to a game with us and asking why everyone looked so bored and didn't really bad eyelids at conceding. When 3 people around us told her thats just how it is these days made me feel sick as I'd only just realised how bad it was
TSM and O'neill - One ruined the club financially, one ruined it visibly
Houllier - I thought he inherited a difficult squad to work with and at least tried to get us playing football, the banners our fans made embarrassed me and the atmospheres such as the one at Wolves was poisonous. I felt he was going to build something for Gary Mac to take over with
So in that, all of them but Houllier, not sure who I'll pick!
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Excellent topic.
We seem to be particularly good at appointing arseholes.
Despite his foot in mouth moments, I liked Houllier. IT probably makes a difference that I always liked the Pink Panther films. To be fair to him, a lot of what PL is doing now is what he was trying to do without the luxury of a summer transfer window to give him a head start.
McLeish should never have had the job, but should still have done a lot better than he did. He had his spineless sleazebag moments and that letter marks him down a lot. But for sheer bareface c*ntishness he is not in the same league as O'Leary and O'Neill.
O'Neill for me. He did far more harm to the club.
At least with O'Leary I could comfort myself with the thought that he was a dead man walking, although looking across at the smug twat from the Rossington End at Doncaster took a lot of getting past.
O'Neill shades it. He had the best working conditions of any Villa manager I can remember. He pissed it out of the window on an ego trip then dropped us in the mire by leaving at the time he did. Vindictive. Then he had the nerve to come back and sue for unfair dismissal. I wish he'd get the job at Anfield or OT. Sunderland have never done anything bad enough to deserve him.
If I were to meet O'Leary I could at least amuse myself by asking him how things are going nowadays. With O'Neill I'd have to resist the temptation to spit in his face.
perfect
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What bothers me the most is how O'Leary managed to get his own video game.
(http://cdn3.spong.com/pack/d/a/davidolear20518/_-David-OLearysTotal-Soccer-2000-Game-Boy-Color-_.jpg)
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O'Leary by miles. That fickle comment is still used against us by other fans and especially the media, despite us being no better or worse than any other set of fans.
Most of all for Doncaster. Our reserves shouldn't have lost 3-0 at Doncaster. Insipid gutless performance that still makes me angry.
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MON's fixation at playing players out of position (Carlos, Sidwell, Delph, NRC, Petrov) used to grate me. Sidwell, Delph, Petrov and maybe to a lesser extent NRC were all known for weighing in with goals from midfield but he turned them all into midfielder cloggers and it did'nt work. You look back at Stan's debut down at West Ham and you wonder why he was'nt encouraged to do it again. He deserved all the flak he took for walking out when he did but it went on too long for me.
Another thing that wound me up about MON was the way he'd say one thing and do another. Particularly when we had injuries/suspensions and he'd say "we'll have to use the squad now". Then he'd find a way not to use the squad. He's recently said ""I'm going to use Carlos Cuellor as a centre back". I wonder what the odds are that Carlos ends up as a right back again?
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For that night at Doncaster, I nominate Mr Sugarbags.
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Still, to this day, I cannot believe that Lerner and Faulkner actually appointed him. FFS. What was they thinking. They should win the wind up award for that!
Agree, Lerner still has a lot to answer for, particularly the last two seasons. I also hate his non-communication with the lifeblood of the club - the fans!
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Not got a problem with Houllier, MON is a massive prick for the way he walked out and TSM should never have got the job in the first place.
O'Leary on the other hand is a complete c*nt. I actually stopped going to villa matches during his time at the club and it took me a long time to get my passion about villa back.
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Still, to this day, I cannot believe that Lerner and Faulkner actually appointed him. FFS. What was they thinking. They should win the wind up award for that!
Agree, Lerner still has a lot to answer for, particularly the last two seasons. I also hate his non-communication with the lifeblood of the club - the fans!
So your vote is for Mcleish?
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O'Neill for me. Two years on and I'm still furious about the final 12 months of his tenure. From the opening day surrender at home to Wigan to his vindictive and spineless departure on the eve of the 10/11 season it was clear in my mind that this was as good as things were ever going to get under him even allowing for the cup runs which were more than balanced out by some utter dross.
What on earth were they thinking? I still can not believe they actually did it.
This however is another matter. I can't sum my reaction to the appointment and stewardship of TSM any more succinctly than this. Until the day I die I won't ever be able to make sense of it. I wonder if we'll ever learn?
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O'Leary on the other hand is a complete c*nt. I actually stopped going to villa matches during his time at the club and it took me a long time to get my passion about villa back.
The good thing about O'Leary and Mcleish is the way things looked a whole lot better once they'd gone. I recovered instantly on both occasions.
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What bothers me the most is how O'Leary managed to get his own video game.
(http://cdn3.spong.com/pack/d/a/davidolear20518/_-David-OLearysTotal-Soccer-2000-Game-Boy-Color-_.jpg)
I want to play that.
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O'Neill for me. Two years on and I'm still furious about the final 12 months of his tenure. From the opening day surrender at home to Wigan to his vindictive and spineless departure on the eve of the 10/11 season it was clear in my mind that this was as good as things were ever going to get under him even allowing for the cup runs which were more than balanced out by some utter dross.
What on earth were they thinking? I still can not believe they actually did it.
This however is another matter. I can't sum my reaction to the appointment and stewardship of TSM any more succinctly than this. Until the day I die I won't ever be able to make sense of it. I wonder if we'll ever learn?
Someone linked to the "New Manager" speculation thread at the time and even now it bewidering to read the disbelief and horror as it became more and more apparent that the Ginger One was going to take over. That message in Facebook from the General that I initially dismissed as a fake - and then it appeared it was genuine.
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Although last season was probably the most severe sub standard of football we have witnessed for some time and all the love of Villa was disapearing it was an appointment which should not have been made. It was like some kind of wind up.
So DOL for me.
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I think Houllier and McLeish were both in large parts their own worst enemy.
When Houllier was appointed - in fact, before, in and after his press conference - he spent a worrying amount of time talking about Liverpool. That was going to get people annoyed from the off.
From then on, he frequently put his foot in it (the Anfield nastiness, for example, is far from the only time he did this), which meant that what little support he did have from those who could at least see what he was trying to do (unsuccessfull) got fucked off with the tactless stuff he'd spout, and gave up on him. Just when he needed all the support he could get, there wasn't any left, he'd annoyed so many people. Obviously, his health problems ended it, but I suspect he'd have been binned anway.
McLeish's appointment staggered everyone. Look at this board in that period, before his appointment. Nobody saw it coming and pretty much nobody liked it.
However, there were actually an awful lot of us who didn't give a shit he came from Blues, and were prepared to give him a chance. For a lot of this group, the absolute worst thing he could do to make this support dwindle away was start having us play the way he did so often in his last job - so long as he didn't do that, we'd have given him the chance.
However, that is precisely what he *did* do. Even on the rare occasion we got a decent result and put in a decent performance, he'd pretty much always resort to type straight after - like Houllier, he really was his own worst enemy.
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David O'Leary, the former Arsenal defender who went on to enjoy success as a manager with Leeds United and Aston Villa, has revealed that Inter boss Jose Mourinho is a significant ally in his search for a return to management.
O'Leary has stated that he is keen to make a return to top-level management as soon as possible, and Mourinho might be only to happy to provide him with a reference.
"I’ve had requests to go back into football and it’s not me bigging myself up or thinking I deserve a bigger job but I just felt that the jobs weren’t right in any way," the Irishman explained to The Daily Mail.
"I’ve had lots of offers mainly from abroad and I think that can only come from people remembering Leeds in the Champions League.
"Some with loads and loads of dollars. Jose Mourinho was very good and recommended me for a really big job but I just felt I couldn’t live where it was with the family really. That was about six or seven months ago.
"We’re not friends but Jose has always kind of rated me if you know what I mean. He was asked a question to recommend somebody for something or put them up and I was very grateful that he did it.
"When I thanked him he said, 'David, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude.
‘I saw [Fabio] Capello at the soccer writers’ function the other week and he came down from the top table and said 'when are you bloody getting back in the game'?
"It was nice getting that from Capello. A lot of them know that you’re too good to be out of it. That’s not me trying to big myself up. People in the game know how difficult Doug Ellis and Aston Villa was."
O'Leary also feels that his record at Aston Villa stands up against that of his successor Martin O'Neill, especially with regard to the funds which were available to him to spend in the transfer market.
"I came in thinking Doug Ellis would go and I’d be the lucky one that Martin O’Neill is now," he added.
"I gave honest opinions at the end of that year [2005-06] saying we need investment here. I was hoping I would be the one that was there when Randy Lerner came in.
"I read people now and they like Martin. He’s media savvy and he’s saying he’s dealing with a young, small squad. Yet, when I said that it was 'Oh, he’s making excuses'. I said the club needed investment to keep it alive. Why did Martin need £50 million this summer?
"At the end of the day, Martin, for all the money he has spent over three years - and they’re raving about him - hasn’t finished any higher than what I finished. Those are the facts."
Love this interview. Hilarious.
Mcleish is a poor manager but I don't hate him as a person. MON could be a vindictive, spiteful shit but he gave us some bloody good moments. Houllier is and was a frail old man.
Sugarbags is the only one who I actually think is a genuine arsehole.
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I feel vaguely sorry for TSM. Clearly out of his depth and not backed financially, he always spoke well about the club and came across as a good caring guy during the start of Stan's battle. Crap football manager though.
MON. Showed his class the way he left. In the world where we all live it was the equivelant of telling your boss to 'shove your job up your arse' on pay day when your money is in the bank.He did it to 40,000 of us, so whatever he does after or wherever he goes I'll wish him ill. Pity it's Sunderland because they're ok.
For the FA Cup final of 2000 though JG rates almost as high.
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I feel vaguely sorry for TSM. Clearly out of his depth and not backed financially
Being as he spent 9.5 Million on N'zgobia, and then brought in more players such as Hutton and Given, I think it's quite hard to say that he wasn't backed financially.
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I'd taken an intense dislike to O'Neill long before he shat on us, with his dull out of date football, his arrogance and stubborness, his control freakishness and his blinkered and wasteful transfer dealings. He did have one redeeming feature in that he got results - not enough to break top four but better than most managers could achieve. Houllier was a PR twat, but had the redeeming feature of actually trying to get us to play football and was, I believe, taking us in the right direction. O'Leary was a gobshite who would get his excuses in early and blame everyone and everything but himself for failings, but even he had us playing some decent stuff at times despite very little money to play with. He also made some decent signings - Laursen, Delaney, Bouma. I can't think of any redeeming features for TSM except some felt he was a decent chap. And I've never felt so embarrassed and humiliated as a Villa fan as that night at Spurs when he sent out a team with Hutton and Heskey in midfield and made zero attempt to even make a game of it. And he did similar at home against Man Yoo. He was an absolute disgrace, and as others have said, it defies belief that anyone ever considered him a suitable manager for Villa.
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Gregory signed Delaney.
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A.
And always A.
Yes, Oh yes
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Its Lambert for me; couldn't wait to jump ship from Colchester to Norwich and then on to the Villa once the big boys came a-calling. Whilst he managed to get a few names in early doors (something that O'Neill seemed averse to), those signings never made it and his football for all his words, turned out to be no better than the previous Scot.
Should've realised what he was like when he shipped off James Collins to West Ham, although I suppose even the most insightful of us wouldn't have guessed what a world class player he would turn out to be.
"What do you mean, its 2012?"
"But, they are not supposed to find out about this. Or the Dave Whelan takeover. Let alone the ground renaming ceremony and the Doug Ellis statue."
"Thank God we realised in time. This information could rip a gaping hole in the fabric of the space/time continuum."
"Ha ha ha. Phew."
"I'd better delete it."
"How do you do that?"
"Press 'post' I think"
"OK"
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Has to be Mcleish. He provided the least good memories for me, football-wise.
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For the FA Cup final of 2000 though JG rates almost as high.
I did wonder where JG was on the list. Somebody mentioned how crap the football got under DOL. Never got as bad as it was under Gregory.
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For the FA Cup final of 2000 though JG rates almost as high.
I did wonder where JG was on the list. Somebody mentioned how crap the football got under DOL. Never got as bad as it was under Gregory.
For some reason the shit football under Gregory gets ignored a lot.
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I'm surprised that O'Leary has got so many votes and Pubehead so few, but then I also voted for O'Leary. I really hate the pugfaced clunge. For me, he's very closely followed by McLeish, a man so shockingly inept at football management I wouldn't wish him on the club of my worst enemy. Pubehead is somewhat distant in third. I still hate him for reasons that have been gone in to many times before by many people on here but he was not as toxic to the club as the other two. Houllier doesn't even chart on the axis of hate. Sure, he did things that annoyed me greatly but the damage done by him is far less than the other three.
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I voted for TSM, but sitting here thinking about it, I'm almost thinking it should be MON.
DOL sort of pre-dates me so I haven't really experienced his smugness firsthand. Houllier made moves that would leave you scratching your head, and was somewhat of a Liverpool fan trapped in a Villa managers body ... yet he never had a summer window to do anything, and it still felt like he might be able to make something with the club. He was just cut to soon to really make a judgement on him.
TSM, was just terrible. Killed the atmosphere and ambition of Villa, and you just felt we were a relegation waiting to happen. I almost get the feeling that Lerner hired him because he KNEW he needed a season to cut expenses and let some crappy contracts expire, so he went with the one guy that everyone would hate from the start and the venom would go in TSM's direction.
Which leads me to MON ... he's pretty much the reason that GH and TSM are on the list to begin with. Sure he took the club places and got results, but he also had 3+ times the warchest the others got. While he was able to bring in a few good players like Young ... he also pissed a lot of it away on guys that made huge wages to just sit on the bench. Plus there was the "play guys out of position", "squad? what squad?" and "wait till the last second of the window to make moves" that would always grind people's gears. So while GH and TSM were bad ... a lot of it was because they were stuck with the albatross contracts that MON handed out before he bailed on the team with a week before the season started.
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O'Leary all the way. That article name-dropping Mourinho and Capello sums him up, absolute c***. Perhaps 05/06 was worth going through to ruin his career as it appears to have done.
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* TSM was simply "The Man out of his Depth." Appointed for why exactly?
* GHou was the Man who could have rung the Changes until the Board realised what the cost might be.
* MON: spiteful and vindictive, for the manner of his departure; showed a gross lack of respect to the fans ...
... but not as much lack of respect as O'Dreary; who wins the "Isaac Hunt Award".
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O'Leary because the arrogant twat thought he was bigger than our great club.
Mon a close second not only for the way he walked out, but for his inability to buy the right players at the right price and on the right wages.
TSM third, but on refection it was a bit like giving a JCB driver a place in the Maclaren F1 team.
Houllier, a man appointed about 10 years too late.
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David O'Leary is the only one that I truly hate. Thought that he was God's gift and was hopeless, didn't care in the slightest about the club.
Houllier was ill and not really with it.
McLeish tried, but wasn't good enough and his tactics were dire.
O'Neill seems like an arrogant sod and left us at a deliberately bad time, to bugger us up. But he did also give me the most exciting times in my 10+ years as a season ticket holder.
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MON for me, bugger off
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O'Leary for me; for his unbelievable arrogance in thinking that the clubs' he had played for and managed were superior to Aston Villa, and that includes his attitudes to the supporters. The dismissve way he refered to us, and concescendingly told us to stop living in the past still yanks my chain. >:(
Needs to be fucked with the rough end of a ragmans trumpet!
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Martin O'Neill because 1) we're literally still paying for his mistakes and 2) because all the others were, to varying degrees crap, arrogant and annoying, but only O'Neill deliberately put our season into crisis by the timing of his resignation.
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I hate McLeish most, but it's MON who actually winds me up, just because of the way he, in the words of Stephen King, 'crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side'. How he managed to get paid for fucking up Aston Villa for the best part of three years by leaving when he did and not have any media point the finger at his actions beggars belief.
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Doncaster away and Arsenal away tip me towards pug nose. The way he came out after a 5-0 hiding and heaped praise on Arsenal as if we weren't worth to be on the same pitch really narked me.
O'Neills perception from outsiders really gets me annoyed though.
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McLeish. He drove me away from my beloved Villa. :-(
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O'Neill. Mainly because I was blinded into thinking he could do no wrong and always made excuses for him. The way he left was unforgivable and we're only just starting to repair the damage he did to us. O'Dreary was useless but at least he didn't damage the make up of the club to the extent O'Neill did. Houllier did his best and towards the end of his one season in charge the football was getting there. McLeish was hopelessly out of his depth and now he's gone I actually feel sorry for him that he's convinced he's a football manager. So it's got to be O'Neill, he damaged the club in so many ways and never had the guts to give the fans an explanation.
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McLeish. He drove me away from my beloved Villa. :-(
very good point that
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DOL by an absolute mile.
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Doncaster away and Arsenal away tip me towards pug nose. The way he came out after a 5-0 hiding and heaped praise on Arsenal as if we weren't worth to be on the same pitch really narked me.
O'Neills perception from outsiders really gets me annoyed though.
I said to someone earlier that trip to Arsenal was as bad as it gets for me.
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I couldn't give two shites about that wanker O'Neill so not him.
Houllier? Meh.
O'Leary - prick and a tosser
McLeish - Horrible horrible football that made everyone - even Villa fans- start to dislike the team, and the club. but Ican't help but think he was brought in to hang out to dry by the owner. if he fucked it up then he'd be an easy sacking. If he didn't then he would have done the job that not many others probably would have wanted to do. I think McLeish wanted it too much but was woeful.
So -McLeish reminds me of how it was in O'leary's last season. You knew it was a matter of time before relegation. It just started to feel wrong at the club. But McLeish tried whereas TheClown was MON without the good times. Prick.
O'Leary.
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toss-up between O'dreary and O'pubehead.
It came up O'pubehead-s!
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DOL. 6 years on and I still wouldn't tire of punching him repeatedly in that stupid face of his.
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I voted for Houllier, just can't stand the bloke. Right back to his comments about George Boateng i have held a grudge against that twat >:(
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Yes, i'm Houllier as well. Never actually felt like we had someone in charge when he was there, tactics were piss poor, fawning over Liverpool and chucking the towel in at Man City in the cup. O' Leary is close, but it's fair to say that we were a real shower of shit at the time and some of his comments had some truth to them. He was a twat though. McLeish was a likeable chap but was supposed to scale us down somewhat. Even with that in mind, he still underachieved and I was mighty relieved when we got rid. And O'Neill was fine really, apart from dropping us in it at the end.
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O'Leary came the closest of all Villa managers to making me quit my season ticket. His post match comments used to do my head in. When he started comparing us to Charlton Athletic I was on the verge of giving up but fortunately he got himself fired for trying to engineer a player mutiny against Ellis.
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Gold - O'Leary. Horrible man.
Silver - McLeish. Nice guy but a dead man walking from day one.
Bronze - Houllier. Pirese purchase says it all
O'Neill I loved having at the Villa and he doesn't wind me up in the least.
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I said to someone earlier that trip to Arsenal was as bad as it gets for me.
Away to Chelsea near the end of MON's reign was a low point for me. The day we realised Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa had been well and truly found out.
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O'Leary. And I still don't like you.
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O'Neill.
O'Leary was a twat of the highest order but O'Neill deliberately and vindictively fucked us over by leaving when he did.
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"I’ve had requests to go back on major networks and it’s not me bigging myself up or thinking I deserve a bigger job but I just felt that the jobs weren’t right in any way," the Irishman explained to The Daily Mail.
"I’ve had lots of offers mainly from abroad and I think that can only come from people remembering Knowing Me, Knowing You on the BBC."
"Some with loads and loads of dollars. Jeremy Clarkson was very good and recommended me for a really big job but I just felt I couldn’t live where it was with the family really. That was about six or seven months ago.
"We’re not friends but Jeremy has always kind of rated me if you know what I mean. He was asked a question to recommend somebody for something or put them up and I was very grateful that he did it.
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude.
‘I saw [Jay] Leno at Academy of Television Arts & Sciences’ function the other week and he came down from the top table and said 'when are you bloody getting back in the game'?
"It was nice getting that from Leno. A lot of them know that you’re too good to be out of it. That’s not me trying to big myself up. People in the game know how difficult Tony Hayers and the BBC was."
Love this interview. Hilarious.
Mcleish is a poor manager but I don't hate him as a person. MON could be a vindictive, spiteful shit but he gave us some bloody good moments. Houllier is and was a frail old man.
Sugarbags is the only one who I actually think is a genuine arsehole.
Agreed, 1Pablo. He's the man. Namedropper and self-imprtant c*** of the worst kind.
I changed a few names on the quotes to make it an Alan Partridge interview. There are some bits of vintage Partridge. I can vividly hear Alan say this:
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude."
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Got to be TSM for me... Should never have been appointed, and it's nothing to do with the noses, he's is just a shit manager.
e.g. Noses up for relagation, a local away derby, and we scunner them 5-1, and we didn't really play brilliantly that day.
He was poor at rangers, 2 horserace and he finished them third one year, was 2nd to MoN when he was at celtic, and really poor at the noses.
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Dolly for me, awful , arrogant, and blamed everyone including the tea lady but himself. So if you're talking about personalities rather than football....Dolly, but that said - that period was a low in our history, stagent board, crap manager and just apathy.
The TSM was awful manager, but I don't think he was a bad bloke.
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I don't have any gripe with DOL - he was just like all Ellis managers, starved of cash. He managed a high finish in his first year then a predictable fall. He fell on his sword. Not worked much has he since then. Wonder why?
MON - Gave us hope. Alas, the lack of business acumen by the owner letting MON sign players on high wages led to cost cutting an a parting of the ways. Leaving when he did was unforgivable.
GED - No pre-season and never won the fans over. Strange however, I could see what he was trying to do. Like it or not he attracted a striker to play with Young and Downing and ensure survival. A situation baring injuries we should not have been in.
TSM - Wanker, tosspot, negative disaster. At the Take That concert last Summer - a beer with Kevin Phillips - (yes he who scored a goal v the Blues in DOL era) he had just been released by the DS and when asked about TSM. "You are in for a long hard season"- I did not renew my season Ticket.
So TSM it is but food for thought. Paul Faulkner. Appointed the last year of MON reign. Cost cutting since, involved in the appointment of GED & TSM. Not been a good start.
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TSM was just a shit manager but I can't say I dislike him.
DOL was just a complete and utter horrible self-serving tosser.
GH made some terrible PR gaffes .
MON did some good but proved to be over rated and devoid of a plan B.
DOL it is then. Grade A tosser.
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I hardly listened to O'Dreary because he spouted so much carp at Leeds about ' The Great Bunch of Young Lads'. His lovein for Arsenal and Leeds was nauseating. His fickle comment was out of order though he did to an extent have a point, he just made it at completely the wrong time. He's been and was always going to be a deadman managerially since. And he is a Grade A knob.
MON wound me up by the way he walked out. The timing was most inopportune and the job was about to get more difficult so he flew off as soon as he could, managing the self preservation art of keeping his fairly mythical reputation in tact.
Houllier managed to turn a top 6 team into relegation fodder in incredibly quick time. About 3 months in fact - alienating multiple key players in the process. The Liverpool love in was bad enough.. In fact that is the most disrepectful thing I remember any manager doing (other than McDuff who existed). Worst was to come though - a few days after That Lot finally won something he sent a team out to lose to Cit-eh in the cup. He didn't give a shit in reality and who the fuck did the health check / medical prior to him joining. Someone who never treats me or my family I hope.
TSM - I dunno who he is. 2011 - 2012 did not exist as a football season. Let's face facts we, well most of us, knew what we were likely to get just didn't think it would be so bad so quickly so often. He did actually give a shit unlike Houllier and McDuff it's just he was so far out of his depth to be believed - like a 4 year old trying to paint like Rembrandt. It was pitiful from start to finish.
Tricky one but I am going to sail against the wind and put Houllier top of the tree - below McNeill (if he were an option), followed by O'Dreary.
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"I’ve had requests to go back on major networks and it’s not me bigging myself up or thinking I deserve a bigger job but I just felt that the jobs weren’t right in any way," the Irishman explained to The Daily Mail.
"I’ve had lots of offers mainly from abroad and I think that can only come from people remembering Knowing Me, Knowing You on the BBC."
"Some with loads and loads of dollars. Jeremy Clarkson was very good and recommended me for a really big job but I just felt I couldn’t live where it was with the family really. That was about six or seven months ago.
"We’re not friends but Jeremy has always kind of rated me if you know what I mean. He was asked a question to recommend somebody for something or put them up and I was very grateful that he did it.
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude.
‘I saw [Jay] Leno at Academy of Television Arts & Sciences’ function the other week and he came down from the top table and said 'when are you bloody getting back in the game'?
"It was nice getting that from Leno. A lot of them know that you’re too good to be out of it. That’s not me trying to big myself up. People in the game know how difficult Tony Hayers and the BBC was."
Love this interview. Hilarious.
Mcleish is a poor manager but I don't hate him as a person. MON could be a vindictive, spiteful shit but he gave us some bloody good moments. Houllier is and was a frail old man.
Sugarbags is the only one who I actually think is a genuine arsehole.
Agreed, 1Pablo. He's the man. Namedropper and self-imprtant c*** of the worst kind.
I changed a few names on the quotes to make it an Alan Partridge interview. There are some bits of vintage Partridge. I can vividly hear Alan say this:
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude."
Lovely stuff there spaf.
Not my words....
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I haven't forgiven MON yet and still can't get TSM out of my mind for a dreadful season, however, worse than Dolly? No, no, no, no. A top graded ****** of the highest order.
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David O'C**t. Without any shadow of doubt. For the following reasons:
* The "fickle" comment.
* Repeated sycophantic schmoozing of Leeds and Arsenal
* "We cannot compete with the Milton Keyneses of the league".
* Doncaster.
* His celebration towards HDE at the Stinking Sty.
* His unforgiveable "mystery" letter to HDE. Really? All of those players think the chairman is a tool?
All wrappeed up in a personality best described as a Grade-A, narcissistic, pug-nosed faced, unemployable c***. TSM can only hope to be that dislikeable in his lifetime, but he's learning. Houllier was clumsy and O'Neill only had us hating him after he left.
O'C**t is, was and will always be... a c***.
This x a million - and dont forget the photo shoot with Henry at Highbury after we were tonked 0-5
TSM - was a very decent person - just a very shit manager
GH - I actually enjoyed the changes he brought, including DB
MON - i like most were wrapped up in the hype that surrounds him - his way of leaving will always leave a horrible taste
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"I’ve had requests to go back on major networks and it’s not me bigging myself up or thinking I deserve a bigger job but I just felt that the jobs weren’t right in any way," the Irishman explained to The Daily Mail.
"I’ve had lots of offers mainly from abroad and I think that can only come from people remembering Knowing Me, Knowing You on the BBC."
"Some with loads and loads of dollars. Jeremy Clarkson was very good and recommended me for a really big job but I just felt I couldn’t live where it was with the family really. That was about six or seven months ago.
"We’re not friends but Jeremy has always kind of rated me if you know what I mean. He was asked a question to recommend somebody for something or put them up and I was very grateful that he did it.
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude.
‘I saw [Jay] Leno at Academy of Television Arts & Sciences’ function the other week and he came down from the top table and said 'when are you bloody getting back in the game'?
"It was nice getting that from Leno. A lot of them know that you’re too good to be out of it. That’s not me trying to big myself up. People in the game know how difficult Tony Hayers and the BBC was."
Love this interview. Hilarious.
Mcleish is a poor manager but I don't hate him as a person. MON could be a vindictive, spiteful shit but he gave us some bloody good moments. Houllier is and was a frail old man.
Sugarbags is the only one who I actually think is a genuine arsehole.
Agreed, 1Pablo. He's the man. Namedropper and self-imprtant c*** of the worst kind.
I changed a few names on the quotes to make it an Alan Partridge interview. There are some bits of vintage Partridge. I can vividly hear Alan say this:
"When I thanked him he said, 'Alan, I wasn’t doing you a favour even though I like you, it’s because I rate you' and that’s his attitude."
Lovely stuff there spaf.
Not my words....
Very good. I have an image of him ringing up Currys and asks the bloke if he fancies a pint later.
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MON is way out in front for me,
its been said that the reason the Dutch hate the Germans more than anybody else is because they started of as allies and trusted them, then the betrayal came and the resentment set in.
its the same for me and MON, i trusted the fella, thought he was going to bring in a new Villa era, only for him to have feet of clay,
it all started going wrong for me when he signed Marlon, i couldnt quite believe that, and a lot of the faith i had in him was lost, then the one dimentional football started and the control freakishness of his personality, followed by the walk out,
i never believed in AM, he was only ever going to be a bad dream which didnt last long, Houllier i liked, and O'leary was a modern football mercenary, but its definitely still MON who winds me up the most
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it all started going wrong for me when he signed Marlon
The most gobsmacked I've been by a Villa appointment, up until June 2011.
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David O'C**t. Without any shadow of doubt. For the following reasons:
* The "fickle" comment.
* Repeated sycophantic schmoozing of Leeds and Arsenal
* "We cannot compete with the Milton Keyneses of the league".
* Doncaster.
* His celebration towards HDE at the Stinking Sty.
* His unforgiveable "mystery" letter to HDE. Really? All of those players think the chairman is a tool?
All wrappeed up in a personality best described as a Grade-A, narcissistic, pug-nosed faced, unemployable c***. TSM can only hope to be that dislikeable in his lifetime, but he's learning. Houllier was clumsy and O'Neill only had us hating him after he left.
O'C**t is, was and will always be... a c***.
This x a million - and dont forget the photo shoot with Henry at Highbury after we were tonked 0-5
TSM - was a very decent person - just a very shit manager
GH - I actually enjoyed the changes he brought, including DB
MON - i like most were wrapped up in the hype that surrounds him - his way of leaving will always leave a horrible taste
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Yes, it has to be MON. Short term gain for a legacy of long term pain.
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O'leary for me. Where do I start? He just has one of those faces that would look better after you punched it. He's the only villa manager I've disliked whilst he was in the job. Mcleish was shit but came across as a genuine bloke most of the time. I think he lost the plot under the pressure towards the end and came out with some bizarre things, but O'leary was a ******.
Much as I detest what oneill did to us and the media hype surrounding him, I still can't even begin to dislike him as much as O'leary. Irrational, but that's just how I feel about him. Maybe it's because I hated him before when he was the Leeds manager.
Houllier I actually quite liked and was a bit gutted he couldn't carry on. He said and did some in advisable things for a villa manager, but I think he was just a bit naive about us rather than anything else. At least he tried to get us playing football and keeping hold of the football.
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O'Leary and Judas tied in first place.
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O'Leary. Depressing times. I don't wish to think about it any more.
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It has to be DOL by several country miles.
The question is who winds you up the most.
TSM was just useless.
MON had his faults but had respect for the club and fans, mostly talked sense and produced good results.
GH made a few gaffs but was nowhere near as bad as DOL.
He's way out in front (or behind, depending on your perspective) - just hearing his name raises my blood pressure.
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It's still o'leary. The cocksocket.