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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chipsticks on August 01, 2012, 09:27:29 PM
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Just a thread for discussing and sharing news of player injuries. We had a lot last season and it looks like it's going to be the same this time around.
We currently have Gabby and Dunne as definites. Bent also appears to be missing from tonight's friendly with a strain or something. Does anybody know anything of the supposed Albrighton broken foot? I heard the rumours but have read nothing official.
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And now apparently Chris Herd's been injured in the Peterborough friendly.
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Bent was looking to make the forest game. Personally, if he doesn't make that I don't think I'd start him v west ham. He hasn't plate more than 2 games in 6 months. Fonz and CNZ up front is a bit worrying!
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Bent was looking to make the forest game. Personally, if he doesn't make that I don't think I'd start him v west ham. He hasn't plate more than 2 games in 6 months. Fonz and CNZ up front is a bit worrying!
I think the problem with that logic is that you need to get games into him at some point and by leaving him out you might make the situation worse. I reckon he'll play the second half of the Forest game and the whole of the Werder Breman game, he needs a goal.
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I'd like to see us make an effort to resign Robbie Keane. He was brilliant for us before, and seemed to enjoy his time here. The way we play now compared to the way we played under TSM would really suit his game.
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We are definitely short. Even at full strength centre back, centre mid and centre forward are areas we're two injuries away from crisis.
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Good thing is I think Lambert knows this. Zog, Vlaar, or Bent getting injured would scupper us right up.
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I think an el ahmadi injury would leave us entirely reliant on youth in midfield. We've really struggled when that's happened with one or two honourable exceptions.
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I think an el ahmadi injury would leave us entirely reliant on youth in midfield. We've really struggled when that's happened with one or two honourable exceptions.
But at least with Lamberts approach to the game our youth is seemingly effective. They play with the freedom and confidence we see in the reserves.
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Yes, but if el ahmadi were out of the west ham game, who would you play in central midfield? Bannan and Gardner? I can't imagine herd has impressed lambert from what I've seen. I have to say I wouldn't fancy any of the options I can conceive of. Perhaps lowton would play there, though he hasn't played that role for us yet
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Not ideal but in these austere times I’d prefer to see us use our younger players and be a bit more flexible with the players we have than sign players to cover injuries. Players like Herd, Holman, Clark, Warnock, Lowton can cover a number of positions. Then you have the likes of Weimann, Fonz, Curruthers, Johnson, Baker who will not get games if we have a deep (expensive) squad.
So in many ways injuries are a way of ensuring that every squad member is being fully used. Counter intuitive but I see the odd injury as a good thing as it gives a youngster a chance and arguably brings more unity to the squad.
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Yes, but if el ahmadi were out of the west ham game, who would you play in central midfield? Bannan and Gardner? I can't imagine herd has impressed lambert from what I've seen. I have to say I wouldn't fancy any of the options I can conceive of. Perhaps lowton would play there, though he hasn't played that role for us yet
This is the risk you run by operating with a small squad. Once a few of the influential senior players are out for a while it can quickly be a crisis situation as last season. I'm all for selling/releasing the likes of Hutton, Heskey, Cuellar etc. (although not convinced that was the right move with Carlos) but equally you should be looking to keep the squad numbers up.
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Herd did really well for us last season and I see him as the understudy to KEA in the DCM role.
We have a couple of short to mid-term injuries right now, but I don't think it's anything to worry about.
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Does anyone know how bad the injury is to Herd? I think we need to be careful on this, were a couple of injuries away from trouble
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Does anyone know how bad the injury is to Herd? I think we need to be careful on this, were a couple of injuries away from trouble
I heard he just took a knock as he challenged for an aerial ball, I don't think it's anything too serious.
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From the OS:
Paul Lambert is hoping Darren Bent will be fit to play a part in Saturday's pre-season clash at Nottingham Forest.
Lambert revealed Bent is making good progress as he battles back from the thigh strain he picked up training on the USA Tour.
And the boss is eager to see him compete at the City Ground this weekend.
Lambert also revealed that Gabby Agbonlahor [knee], Richard Dunne [groin] and Marc Albrighton [foot] will all miss the start of the season through injury.
Agbonlahor is out for four-five weeks while Dunne is likely to be absent for six-eight weeks.
Lambert told AVTV: "Darren will be fine. He got a thigh injury in the USA and he will not be too far away from Saturday, depending on how he's feeling. But he's fine.
"Gabby is a bit longer. It's his knee and he will miss the start of the season.
"Richard will miss the start of the season. Marc will miss the start of the season. It's a blow but that's football at times. You just have to pick yourself up and go again."
Lambert accepted that while it was frustrating to see three senior stars sidelined, it also presented an opportunity for his other players to make an impact as the new campaign starts.
He added: "I have great belief in the players.They will give it everything they've got and at the end of the day that's all you can ask."
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Another eason to like PL - does not get excuses in all the time "Just have to get on with it and its an opportunity for others to shine"
Must say i have been nothing but impressed with the guy since he walked through the door
Would like another couple of players in though just to ensure we are not too light and dependant on kids
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Its a real shame for Gab as he's suffered from injuries in pre season before and this has effected his form during the season,hopefully this season will be different.
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...hopefully this season will be different.
I doubt it.
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Whilst I'm pretty impressed with the quality of signings recently, if the mantra is going to be one in, one out, then I'm far from convinced the squad will be strong enough.
We need more bodies in, but not necessarily with people moving out.
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Whilst I'm pretty impressed with the quality of signings recently, if the mantra is going to be one in, one out, then I'm far from convinced the squad will be strong enough.
We need more bodies in, but not necessarily with people moving out.
I think they'll be looking at from a wage point of view, sell a 40k a week player and you can spend the same on wages, whether that's 1 or more players is up to you.
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
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Whilst I'm pretty impressed with the quality of signings recently, if the mantra is going to be one in, one out, then I'm far from convinced the squad will be strong enough.
We need more bodies in, but not necessarily with people moving out.
I've never thought we had an issue with numbers, just quality. So I'm pretty happy with the size of the squad and would be happy enough with a 'one in one out' rule, provided the one in is better than the one out!
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
Personally, I have no problem with Baker playing!
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
Personally, I have no problem with Baker playing!
I think he has potential, but I wasn't 100% impressed with his performances last season - particularly in the Chelsea game, in which you could blame him for two of their goals.
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
Personally, I have no problem with Baker playing!
I think he has potential, but I wasn't 100% impressed with his performances last season - particularly in the Chelsea game, in which you could blame him for two of their goals.
I think that's the only game where he really struggled for me, it was also a game where we simply refused to keep the ball, I can't see many teams having that level of sustained pressure against us this season. He's probably a risk to start regularly at the minute but he's more than capable as backup and should only improve from here.
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injuries give chances to others though. huge chance for ciaran clark to be a regular at centre half with 2 months or so to bed down a partnership with vlaar.
But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
Personally, I have no problem with Baker playing!
I think he has potential, but I wasn't 100% impressed with his performances last season - particularly in the Chelsea game, in which you could blame him for two of their goals.
I think that's the only game where he really struggled for me, it was also a game where we simply refused to keep the ball, I can't see many teams having that level of sustained pressure against us this season. He's probably a risk to start regularly at the minute but he's more than capable as backup and should only improve from here.
I hope you're right!
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Every defender will have a mare of a game from time to time. Especially one so early in his career. Over the years I saw Evans, Southgate, Olly, Southgate, Laursen and even God make mistakes and have poor games.
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Especially youngsters,i think he has the ability and attitude to learn from his rare mistakes.
The only young player i can remember slotting straight in and not putting a foot wrong was Barry.
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Every defender will have a mare of a game from time to time. Especially one so early in his career. Over the years I saw Evans, Southgate, Olly, Southgate, Laursen and even God make mistakes and have poor games.
Blasphemy!!
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But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
You’re talking about a situation where the two first choice CBs are injured. We do not generate enough money to justify having 4 experienced CBs. Baker is an ideal 4th choice, supported by Herd in emergencies.
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But what worries me is what happens if one of those two gets injured? With Vlaar's supposed history of injuries and the fact that Clark missed a fair bit of last season with injury, it's not totally out of the question.
You’re talking about a situation where the two first choice CBs are injured. We do not generate enough money to justify having 4 experienced CBs. Baker is an ideal 4th choice, supported by Herd in emergencies.
I said "what happens if one of those two gets injured", I just described both of them to get the point across that one of them could easily get injured.
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Paul Lambert is hoping Darren Bent will be fit to play a part in Saturday's pre-season clash at Nottingham Forest.
Lambert revealed Bent is making good progress as he battles back from the thigh strain he picked up training on the USA Tour.
And the boss is eager to see him compete at the City Ground this weekend.
Lambert also revealed that Gabby Agbonlahor [knee], Richard Dunne [groin] and Marc Albrighton [foot] will all miss the start of the season through injury.
Agbonlahor is out for four-five weeks while Dunne is likely to be absent for six-eight weeks.
Lambert told AVTV: "Darren will be fine. He got a thigh injury in the USA and he will not be too far away from Saturday, depending on how he's feeling. But he's fine.
"Gabby is a bit longer. It's his knee and he will miss the start of the season.
"Richard will miss the start of the season. Marc will miss the start of the season. It's a blow but that's football at times. You just have to pick yourself up and go again."
Lambert accepted that while it was frustrating to see three senior stars sidelined, it also presented an opportunity for his other players to make an impact as the new campaign starts.
He added: "I have great belief in the players.They will give it everything they've got and at the end of the day that's all you can ask."
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Well, the good news is that as far as I know Bent got through the whole of the second half.
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SSN reporting that Albrighton has a broken Metatarsal, out for 6-8 weeks.
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SSN reporting that Albrighton has a broken Metatarsal, out for 6-8 weeks.
Massive season for him this year, I hope he can make an impact.
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SSN reporting that Albrighton has a broken Metatarsal, out for 6-8 weeks.
Is there any other team in the Prem that has suffered with injuries the way we have over the last couple of years?
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A shame as I think this season is absolutely critical for him. He needs to add a lot to his game if he's going to succeed at the top level.
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SSN reporting that Albrighton has a broken Metatarsal, out for 6-8 weeks.
Is there any other team in the Prem that has suffered with injuries the way we have over the last couple of years?
Definitely, our attention is focused pretty much solely on Villa so it makes it seem worse. Arsenal and Spurs both had it pretty bad last year at various points.
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Let's hope we have no more injuries being as though we are three men light for the start of the season.
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I wonder who will start on the opposite wing to Zog against West Ham?
In my mind it's between Bannan and Holman really, unless Lambert wants to bring in another winger. I don't think Carruthers is quite ready.
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Definitely, our attention is focused pretty much solely on Villa so it makes it seem worse. Arsenal and Spurs both had it pretty bad last year at various points.
As did Man Utd. Howevey, you are missing the key point that they have squads better suited to deal with it than we do.
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Definitely, our attention is focused pretty much solely on Villa so it makes it seem worse. Arsenal and Spurs both had it pretty bad last year at various points.
As did Man Utd. Howevey, you are missing the key point that they have squads better suited to deal with it than we do.
That’s true but the expectations and number of games they need to play negate that argument too.
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If McLeish was still in charge his training methods would have been blamed by now.
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If McLeish was still in charge his training methods would have been blamed by now.
You are getting your one season managers mixed up, it was Houllier's training methods that caused all the injuries.
We didn't do any training with McLeish.
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If McLeish was still in charge his training methods would have been blamed by now.
You are getting your one season managers mixed up, it was Houllier's training methods that caused all the injuries.
We didn't do any training with McLeish.
In that case his lack of training would have been blamed!
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SSN reporting that Albrighton has a broken Metatarsal, out for 6-8 weeks.
That's nothing to be sniffed at.
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@SamirCarruthers: Looks like I'm on my way back from the 21s after the first day injured :'(
Hope it's not too serious
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Just heard Holman was injured in the internationals tonight.
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As I posted in the West Ham thread "So we have Gabby, Dunne, Albrighton, Herd and possibly Lowton, Carruthers and Holman injured. We sure pissed off the injury Gods somehow these last couple of years."
You have to figure we'll get a good run of few or no injuries soon.
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As I posted in the West Ham thread "So we have Gabby, Dunne, Albrighton, Herd and possibly Lowton, Carruthers and Holman injured. We sure pissed off the injury Gods somehow these last couple of years."
You have to figure we'll get a good run of few or no injuries soon.
When was Lowton injured? I don't recall hearing anything about that.
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Gardner crocked (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2899214,00.html)
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Massive shame. Was a big season for him. Here's hoping he recovers and comes back stronger.
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Poor Kid
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A bench of Guzan, Lichaj, Herd, Bannan, Johnson, Weimann, Delfouneso or similar then for tomorrow, that is painfully weak, albeit Albrighton, Gabby and Dunne to return at some stage, but one ought to work on the likelihood that 3 players will be out at any one time, now we have 4 out our squad should not look as skinny as this. To be robbed of Petrov, Gardner and Makoun for the season for various reasons must mean we have to bring in at least one more body in this area, at least on loan. Adam would do.
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Real shame for the lad.
The good news is that 1) its not the same leg as last time and 2) its an Anterior Cruciate Ligament and not a Posterior Cruciate Ligament (which would have been more serious). Hopefully the 8-9 month prognosis is worst case scenario and maybe he can be back for the last part of the season.
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This is typical of our bad luck and goes back many years.
It usually happens to new signings.
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Surely an injury to one of our most promising youth players is worthy of its own thread, rather than being lost in here? In the same way that individual player transfers are given their own thread rather than being lumped in one big thread? Just a thought.
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Damn and blast. We (and him) really don't need that.
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Feel really bad for him,as he had a big chance of making a name for himself this season. Here's for a speedy recovery Gary,all the best.
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This is heartbreaking news. Our dreadful luck continues. That squad is looking really threadbare now....Randy needs to dip his hand into his pocket or we will struggle.
Knowing our injury luck some of us could end up being named on the bench this season.....
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That is absolutely terrible for him, hopefully it won't be but at his stage of development it could stop him ever pushing on. We definitely need a central midfielder now as well.
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Gutted for him and us
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This is heartbreaking news. Our dreadful luck continues. That squad is looking really threadbare now....Randy needs to dip his hand into his pocket or we will struggle.
Knowing our injury luck some of us could end up being named on the bench this season.....
Heartbreaking? Seriously?
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Bloody hell, let's hope Lambert has big sleeves.
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Massive shame for him, but on a totally selfish level at least we have quite a few centre mids, if this had been a defender or Bent we'd be scuppered.
Wish you all the best Gary. You're still better than your brother.
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f**k . we dont get more luck do we . Hope he comes back stronger , I'm sure he will.
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Bad news, this. Good luck Gary for a full and Speedy (as possible) recovery.
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You have to wonder for the lad. Both knees done like that and he's only just turned 20. Hope for the best for him but it's a worry.
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This is so shit for him and our team. ACL injuries are really bad, he will be out for 8-9 months... It's such a shame this has happened.
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You have to wonder for the lad. Both knees done like that and he's only just turned 20. Hope for the best for him but it's a worry.
That was my first thought too. He'd already missed a season a couple of years back and now this. I just hope he gets back to playing football. Poor lad must be devastated.
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Give Gary his own thread back. It's the least he deserves.
Comes across as a good kid but he'll need a lot of encouragement, hopefully Delph can keep his spirits up having gone through similar.
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Poor Gary's done both of his knees now, I really hope he can recover. Best of luck lad.
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So already with one game out our injury list reads:
Albrighton
Dunne
Gabby
Gardner
That's 3 or 4 in or around the first team. If you add Petrov that's a 3rd season of unbelievably bad injuries to crucial players. Which other club has has this much bad luck? Add self-inflicted absentees in Warnock and Hutton and that's virtually a team.
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Sounds like Gabby might be back for the first game after the International break (Swansea?).
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Any other club would enter the transfer market hastily and with real purpose now. Left back, striker, creative midfielder required within one week.
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GaryGardner injury. A question for those of you who know about this stuff. How serious is this?
Full recovery?
Career limiting?
Career ending?
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GaryGardner injury. A question for those of you who know about this stuff. How serious is this?
Full recovery?
Career limiting?
Career ending?
ACL injuries used to be career ending. Now, it's just a case of rehab. Best case scenario he's back for next April. It's a very tough injury to recover from and inreality it puts you back 12 months in terms of development.
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Career ending 25-30 years ago maybe.
This is his second one in a few seasons so it's bound to take its toll.
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GaryGardner injury. A question for those of you who know about this stuff. How serious is this?
Full recovery?
Career limiting?
Career ending?
ACL injuries used to be career ending. Now, it's just a case of rehab. Best case scenario he's back for next April. It's a very tough injury to recover from and inreality it puts you back 12 months in terms of development.
Given he's now done both knees, he must lose some mobility in terms of playing at the top level. He's young but look at the affect it's had on Michael Essien over the last 2/3 years.
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Gutted for Gary, had high hopes for this season. Hopefully he will make a full recovery.
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He's young enough to recover but that's a bad injury to have had on both knees and rotten luck. Good luck to him with his recovery.
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Terrible news for Gary. All the best to his recovery. We could do with an attacking driving midfielder to fill his boots more than ever now.
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Gutted about the news on Gary Gardner. Just starting to break into the first team
And such an important time in his development. I really hope what looks to be a great talent doesn't get wasted through injury.
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I hate to say this but I think this latest injury could effectively finish Gardner’s career. I’m sure he’ll get 100% fit again but he’ll have missed 2 season through injury during a stage when he should be learning and improving the most.
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So already with one game out our injury list reads:
Albrighton
Dunne
Gabby
Gardner
That's 3 or 4 in or around the first team. If you add Petrov that's a 3rd season of unbelievably bad injuries to crucial players. Which other club has has this much bad luck? Add self-inflicted absentees in Warnock and Hutton and that's virtually a team.
Yep, I've said it before, but I'm convinced no other team in the league has had the same misfortune that we have had over the last three years. We've got to be due some good luck soon for fucks sake.
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Good news. Jermaine Jenas was back in action today. Maybe we'll take him back.
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I noticed that El Ahmadi came hobbling off yesterday. I haven't heard anything else about his injury so hopefully he won't miss the swansea game.
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Watching the game live out here in Manila the co reporter who was Dean Sturridge said that El Ahmadi had twisted his ankle,so hopefully nothing to serious
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Gary Gardner tweeted earlier that he goes in for an operation tomorrow.
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Gary Gardner tweeted earlier that he goes in for an operation tomorrow.
Best of luck and speedy recovery
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Seconded.
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Apparently he had the operation yesterday afternoon (4th). It will take up to 9 months rehabilitation to strengthen his knees back up. Good luck, Gary.
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A lot of people on here saying that El Ahmadi's been injured playing for Morocco? Terrible news if so, but at least we have a large squad now as opposed to last season.
We still have Chris Herd don't we? Whatever happened to him, he was brilliant in holding midfield last season - he'd be my choice to fill in for him.
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My little brother went into the barbers the other week asking them if they could make him look like Chris Herd but he came out a cross between Paul Heaton circa 1986 and Shaun Ryder 1989. The teachers in school liked it, his peers took the piss.
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I've pretty much got Herd's haircut at the moment, now you mention it.
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I thought that Herd was one of the few players who could hold his head up after last season. Deserves to play more IMO and not out wide!
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Does anyone know anything about the KEA injury though?
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His injury isn't listed on the physio room for some reason. From what people said at the time, it sounded quite serious so he'll probably miss the next couple of games at least.
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Damn.
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I've pretty much got Herd's haircut at the moment, now you mention it.
Apparently the chicks dig it. In general, not sure about your version.
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From the official twitter:
Joe Bennett, Stephen Ireland and Karim El Ahmadi should all be fit for tomorrow's game at Fulham. However there will be a late fitness test for Ciaran Clark.
Nowhere near as bad as we thought then! :)
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Baker & Vlaar at Centre back?
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Well there's not much else for options really.
Not sure how Clark will fare against Berbatov's movement tbh.