Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rich6by7 on July 22, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
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I'm no fan of shirt sponsorship, but I accept it as a part of the game these days. We certainly seem to be doing well out of the Genting deal, but they can't count on me being an advert for them while wearing any Villa gear as I refuse to be an advert for a business I used to be employed in, but that I've seen wreck too many lives, almost including mine. But that's another story.
What I'm getting at is that, while sponsorship is necessary to compete financially (barring rare exceptions like our Acorns deal and that season when Albion had no sponsor), am I the only one to boycott products that have featured on the shirts of teams I dislike? As far as I'm concerned, and organisation that sees fit to put its name on Birmingham City's shirt is persona non grata, however recently I've had to bite the bullet twice- my new flat has a Triton shower, and I'm going to a wedding in Edinburgh in September, and the only airline that flies there from BHX is Flybe. So it's with gritted teeth that I make use of these products. I also refuse to use anything on Manchester United's shirts, although they tend to be sponsored by the kind of mega-company I would normally choose to avoid anyway.
On the other side of the coin, I never buy Muller yogurts because they aren't vegetarian (unlike me), I've never been in the market for a photocopier, AST don't make computers any more, I don't need investment products from DWS (Cows?) or FXPro, I can't drive so that rules out Rover and LDV, I've never been in the market for cable TV, I've never seen Davenports available since I've been old enough to drink (please tell me where I can get some if it's still being made) and I've already expressed my views on casinos. So our sponsors aren't exactly flavour of the Rich6by7 month either.
Anyone else out there got a grudge against companies or products purely because of which teams they advertise with?
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To be brutally honest, I have never given the slightest thought to what team a company sponsor, I just go by how good the product/service is on it's own merit. It makes literally zero difference, aside from the occasional tiny satisfaction when I purchase something from a company related to Villa.
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Life is to short for me to worry about such things I am afraid.............
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I do remember passing on purchasing a SHARP VCR a long time ago due to their past association with MAN UTD.
Other than that, nothing springs to mind.
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In recent years the Old Firm have tended to have the same sponsor, I guess for this very reason.
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I'm same as not really giving it a thought. I'm sure that those sponsoring the Blues are probably trying to increase their profits until they can sponsor us
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I avoid lots of brands based on moral grounds, animal testing, human rights abuses etc...it's the only power I have to implement change.
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I don't gamble, don't believe it should be legal like as you say it ruins lives, therefore I won't be buying Villa kit and I didn't buy it whilst we had 32red sponsoring us either.
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Rich6by7, in reply to your question about Davenports Beer, here you go........http://davenportsbeer.co.uk/
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As an ex-employee of Manure's current shirt sponsor, I can relate to what you post.
Prior to the Manure deal, we had a 3 year salary freeze; the employer contributions into my pension were slashed meaning that to maintain pension benefits I had to contribute an additional £250 per month. Then they announce that they're spending £80m to be Manure's new shirt sponsor. I left soon after; the Manure deal was the straw that broke the proverbial camels back.
To cap it all, all employees received a Manure shirt. That was given straight back without me touching it.
I don't have a problem with shirt sponsorship but the cuts that appeared to fund the Manure deal were sickening.
Oddly enough I should have stopped where I was but that's another story.
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Not a problem for me, If you went into a bar would you drink the shittest pint there because it's the only one on tap that's not sponsored by a club in Britain.
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I don't gamble, don't believe it should be legal like as you say it ruins lives
Lots of companies who sponsor football teams ruin lives in one way or another. Presumably alcohol and investments should be illegal as well?
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I don't gamble, don't believe it should be legal like as you say it ruins lives
Lots of companies who sponsor football teams ruin lives in one way or another. Presumably alcohol and investments should be illegal as well?
And if we're taking a really puritanical view of this, we'd certainly be having no truck with our owner, whose father made billions on the basis of encouraging credit card debt, frequently through reckless borrowing. The same credit cards people very often use to fund online gambling.
Then there's the ethics of us playing in the Barclays Premier League. It means you get to see things like this:
(http://www.finders.co.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/bob-diamonjpg.jpg)
Bob Diamond and John Terry. What a duo.
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I have to say, I follow the OP's logic here. It was a long time before I flew Flybe and one of their pilots is in my running club. He's a Villa fan and wasn't 100% happy being associated with them because of the Nose association. I still refuse to drink Carlsberg - my girlfriend thought it was ridiculous but she won't buy it now because she knows I have to force it down (plus it's crap anyway).
Given a fair choice I will always take the path away from a brand I associate with another side. But now everybody seems to be getting sponsored by investment firms and flash airlines, I don't think I'll be in too much bother.
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No real problems with companies that sponsor shirts per se - In fact I never give it a thought, and I've only just realised that I bought a TV last year from Chelsea's shirt sponsor.
I do boycott companies for reasons that I think are important, so no Sky for me, or The Times or Sun newspapers, or indeed Tesco amongst a few others.
I'm sure it makes all the difference.:)
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Didn't Chris Harte boycott all products advertised during the breaks on SkySportsNews (the time when Eastie posts on here)?
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I just genuinely don't like Genting on our shirts. Couldn't give a rats ass about the business end of things.
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To be brutally honest, I have never given the slightest thought to what team a company sponsor, I just go by how good the product/service is on it's own merit. It makes literally zero difference, aside from the occasional tiny satisfaction when I purchase something from a company related to Villa.
Point, nail and head to the 1980's packet of crisps...
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Until reading this thread, I couldn't have told you for definite what business "Genting" was involved it.
I kind of assumed that it was to do with gambling but I'd never bothered to find out for sure.
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I must admit I don't think gambling or booze should be allowed on football shirts, and I do both. The growth of bookmakers on the high street (allowed on the grounds no change in land use is needed as it is a "financial service") is really something that needs to be tackled.
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I reckon we should get an advertising discount.
Why should we be a free advertising 'Billboard'?
Buy a plain shirt £45
Buy a shirt carrying the sponsor and you get a 15% discount, £38.25
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I would like option to buy Villa shirt without sponsor logo if possible which I did last season. Acorns is ok. But I don't like big logos in middle of shirt especially with coloured background ie Mueller.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
Having said that I don't recall ever being influenced by an advert.
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The important part for me is being aware of what I am doing - as in thinking about my purchases and the impact they may have.
I have never bought a replica shirt probably 'cause I am from a generation that only saw them being worn by players - it still strikes me as odd to see my fellow supporters wearing them. Back in the day it was considered slightly odd.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, bacause they sposor a team you don't like, petty.
Having said that I don't recall ever being influenced by an advert.
Agree with your first statement, but the billions spent on advertising are completely wasted on you?
Many of us would like to think so, but in reality they can be a very sophisticated, powerful and often subliminal, persuader.
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To be honest I reckon I’d struggle to say what more that 5 shirt sponsors are in the whole premier league, I just do not pay attention to it. But at the same time I haven’t bought a villa shirt since Yorke was playing.
My personal boycott is for clearly branded clothing. Celebrities get paid a fortune to wear i.e. advertise clothes with a swoosh or diesel written on them whereas as us - joe public - have to pay over the odds for the privilege. Admittedly it’s almost impossible to buy own label clothes but I try and avoid anything with a brand clearly showing unless they’ve done something notable (Howies for example).
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I don't understand why Geoffrey needs to be sponsored.
Doesn't he make enough money from commentating ?
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Until reading this thread, I couldn't have told you for definite what business "Genting" was involved it.
I kind of assumed that it was to do with gambling but I'd never bothered to find out for sure.
The word 'Casinos' on the shirt didn't give you even a teensy hint?!
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Maybe he thought they were a Northern Soul promoter.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
Having said that I don't recall ever being influenced by an advert.
Agree with your first statement, but the billions spent on advertising are completely wasted on you?
Many of us would like to think so, but in reality they can be a very sophisticated, powerful and often subliminal, persuader.
Understand the bit about subliminal advertising, but it doesn't work on me.
When I go shopping, I but what I want/need not what others tell me, be that for a bag of sweets or a car..
It probably helps that I don't have a television.
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I just don't want to walk around with a large company logo on me. Apart from the fact they pretty much all make the clothing look ugly, why be an unpaid walking billboard?
I wouldn't dream of wearing, driving or painting anything royal blue either. Not because of which football team wears it but because it's such an awful eye-sickening colour.
I also hate seeing people in football shirts when I'm on holiday. Nobody gives a shit who you are, where you're from or who you support, we're just trying to relax and get away from it all for a week or two.
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Philthebar: have you got a radio, and if so, is your house full of Stechford Tiles?
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Philthebar: have you got a radio, and if so, is your house full of Stechford Tiles?
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
It has started!
BIG ONES, SMALL ONES, PATTERNED OR PLAIN, IF YOU CALL IN ONCE, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME AGAIN
IT'S YOUR ONE STOP SHOP, WE'VE GOT THE LOT
GET IT AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL AT STECHFORD TILES
That's going to be stuck in my head for at least four hours now.
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Philthebar: have you got a radio, and if so, is your house full of Stechford Tiles?
Genuinely don't know what you are on about. Assume some kind of radio advert in Birmingham. I live in Colchester.
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Fair enough.
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I will avoid a company or product if they are responsible for annoying me such as that Go compare bullshit or those morons at Direct Line etc etc.Genuinely cannot believe these adverts played over and over encourage people to purchase anything from the companies?
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Philthebar: have you got a radio, and if so, is your house full of Stechford Tiles?
All my furniture is from Cousins. I find they're so much more than just a furniture store.
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I will avoid a company or product if they are responsible for annoying me such as that Go compare bullshit or those morons at Direct Line etc etc.Genuinely cannot believe these adverts played over and over encourage people to purchase anything from the companies?
Brand recognition is the name of their game.
I see it worked.
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I will avoid a company or product if they are responsible for annoying me such as that Go compare bullshit or those morons at Direct Line etc etc.Genuinely cannot believe these adverts played over and over encourage people to purchase anything from the companies?
Brand recognition is the name of their game.
I see it worked.
It only worked if their plan was for myself never to purchase anything from them.
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I will avoid a company or product if they are responsible for annoying me such as that Go compare bullshit or those morons at Direct Line etc etc.Genuinely cannot believe these adverts played over and over encourage people to purchase anything from the companies?
Brand recognition is the name of their game.
I see it worked.
It only worked if their plan was for myself never to purchase anything from them.
The point is that it gets brand awarness and you have heard of them, and now if anyone reading this was not aware them before they are now thanks to you and the advert that didnt work!
Annoying yes, succesful and what the objective was... most certainly
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Until reading this thread, I couldn't have told you for definite what business "Genting" was involved it.
I kind of assumed that it was to do with gambling but I'd never bothered to find out for sure.
The word 'Casinos' on the shirt didn't give you even a teensy hint?!
Never noticed that the word "Casinos" was on the shirt.
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Didn't Chris Harte boycott all products advertised during the breaks on SkySportsNews (the time when Eastie posts on here)?
Still do. Fuck Gillette, Ford and the like.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Yes. Once upon a time while looking for somewhere to live, and to the annoyance of the missus, I refused to even view a house because it was on St. Andrews Road (or Street, or Close, or similar).
And I can be just as stubborn about sponsors.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Yes. Once upon a time while looking for somewhere to live, and to the annoyance of the missus, I refused to even view a house because it was on St. Andrews Road (or Street, or Close, or similar).
And I can be just as stubborn about sponsors.
Nose, face, spite cutting?
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
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I do remember passing on purchasing a SHARP VCR a long time ago due to their past association with MAN UTD.
Other than that, nothing springs to mind.
It was a very smelly time for me when my dad saw fit to purchase a Triton shower.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
Having said that I don't recall ever being influenced by an advert.
Agree with your first statement, but the billions spent on advertising are completely wasted on you?
Many of us would like to think so, but in reality they can be a very sophisticated, powerful and often subliminal, persuader.
Understand the bit about subliminal advertising, but it doesn't work on me.
Lisa, that's a load of rich, creamery butter.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
Having said that I don't recall ever being influenced by an advert.
Agree with your first statement, but the billions spent on advertising are completely wasted on you?
Many of us would like to think so, but in reality they can be a very sophisticated, powerful and often subliminal, persuader.
Understand the bit about subliminal advertising, but it doesn't work on me.
Lisa, that's a load of rich, creamery butter.
It must be me, that's another one that has gone right over my head.
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I suppose it might depend on whether I was a golf enthusiast, Scottish or had an interest in Christian martyrs.
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I suppose it might depend on whether I was a golf enthusiast, Scottish or had an interest in Christian martyrs.
Well I've no interest in golf or religion (or its martyrs) and I'm certainly not Scottish.
So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I wouldn't give it a second's thought.
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I suppose it might depend on whether I was a golf enthusiast, Scottish or had an interest in Christian martyrs.
Well I've no interest in golf or religion (or its martyrs) and I'm certainly not Scottish.
So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me either. If it was that much of an issue, I'd need to change my first name, too.
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I suppose it might depend on whether I was a golf enthusiast, Scottish or had an interest in Christian martyrs.
Well I've no interest in golf or religion (or its martyrs) and I'm certainly not Scottish.
So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me either. If it was that much of an issue, I'd need to change my first name, too.
It wouldn't have the same impact unless you become a Saint though. ;)
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So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
If I liked the house then yes.
I can just imagine going house hunting and the missus seeing the ideal house, and it's within budget, and it's in a nice area with a good school nearby and a cracking real ale pub on the corner and then telling her "Sorry, it's on a road called St. Andrew's Close, we can't buy it."
I think she would be quite within her rights to divorce me for being a daft twat to be honest.
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So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
If I liked the house then yes.
I can just imagine going house hunting and the missus seeing the ideal house, and it's within budget, and it's in a nice area with a good school nearby and a cracking real ale pub on the corner and then telling her "Sorry, it's on a road called St. Andrew's Close, we can't buy it."
I think she would be quite within her rights to divorce me for being a daft twat to be honest.
Well, if I had to give a sensible answer, then this would be it.
Instead I tried (obviously unsuccessfully) to obliquely highlight the preposterousness of the question.
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i never buy any of my special lubes, gels whips ar any of my fistmaster5000 add on toys from ann summers shop out of principal the money goes indirectly to wham.
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Nose, face, spite cutting?
Would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
I suppose it might depend on whether I was a golf enthusiast, Scottish or had an interest in Christian martyrs.
Well I've no interest in golf or religion (or its martyrs) and I'm certainly not Scottish.
So, given all of that, would you live in a place called St. Andrews Road? Remembering which club you support?
Honestly, it wouldn't bother me either. If it was that much of an issue, I'd need to change my first name, too.
It wouldn't have the same impact unless you become a Saint though. ;)
But my first name is PaulTaitTritonShowersBigJohnGayleRickyOttoGloriousLeylandDafCupVictorySOTV.
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If I liked the house then yes.
I can just imagine going house hunting and the missus seeing the ideal house, and it's within budget, and it's in a nice area with a good school nearby and a cracking real ale pub on the corner and then telling her "Sorry, it's on a road called St. Andrew's Close, we can't buy it."
I think she would be quite within her rights to divorce me for being a daft twat to be honest.
Well this is where it falls apart. I didn't even like the look of the house, and given there was plenty of choice in the area, it was easy enough to avoid even setting foot in it.
Admittedly, had it been the scenario you describe then that might have made it more difficult, but as I said previously, I can be a stubborn get when I put my mind to it.
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But my first name is PaulTaitTritonShowersBigJohnGayleRickyOttoGloriousLeylandDafCupVictorySOTV.
Bleedin'ell! That must be a nightmare on application forms.
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i never buy any of my special lubes, gels whips ar any of my fistmaster5000 add on toys from ann summers shop out of principal the money goes indirectly to wham.
So you have the latest Fistmaster then rutski ? Any good ?
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Well I'd love to live in Villa Road (I believe there is a Villa Street nearby as well), or Holte Road, or preferably Holte Drive in Sutton. But that's bloody women for you - obsessed with trivia, blind to the really important things.
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Is there a street called K7 seat 18 row 3 ? Wouldnt mind living there again .
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Indeed there is, but unfortunately it's in a little village called Imabluenosebastardville, Francisshire.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
How would you be supporting them?
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Indeed there is, but unfortunately it's in a little village called Imabluenosebastardville, Francisshire.
Fuck that then.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
How would you be supporting them?
Come on Dave - thought you were brighter than that
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
How would you be supporting them?
Come on Dave - thought you were brighter than that
Please tell me. It's the first time I've heard of a sponsor paying part of their income to a club.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
How would you be supporting them?
Come on Dave - thought you were brighter than that
Please tell me. It's the first time I've heard of a sponsor paying part of their income to a club.
You don't think future marketing spend (eq sponsorship renewal) wouldn't reflect the effectiveness of the existing sponsorship to any degree?
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You don't think future marketing spend (eq sponsorship renewal) wouldn't reflect the effectiveness of the existing sponsorship to any degree?
I don't think one ticket would make much difference.
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At the same time as Flybe were sponsoring that lot I was going out with a woman who lived in Glasgow. I used Flybe all the time to fly up to Glasgow (or her down to Brum) as they were way cheaper than BA, and often cheaper than the train.
Having said that, when I was buying a new shower one year I flatly refused to even consider a Triton one.
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Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
I honestly don't think that it would go through my mind at any point during the buying process. I'd probably just buy the cheapest one and buy a pint with the difference.
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I would choose the flight that suits my plans and budget.
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Avoiding a company because you don't like the company ethos or their products is one thing, because they sponsor a team you don't like, petty.
If there is little difference between a couple of products then surely it's a duty to avoid the one that benefits a rival team.
Is it only me, or are people really that petty
Petty?
OK - take yourself back a few years and you have to choose between a flight on BMI Baby and Flybe. They both cost within a few quid of each other and leave an hour or two apart. Which are you going to choose?
When the differences are small why would I knowingly support a rival's finances?
My only concern would be for which one was likely to be most comfortable. Flybe planes seem to have sod all leg room, whereas whenever i have flown with BMI Baby, they have been more comfortable.
Given a real choice, I'd go for Monarch, they're easily the best of the budget.
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I was born on St Andrew's Day. Never think of it in relation to that lot.
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You don't think future marketing spend (eq sponsorship renewal) wouldn't reflect the effectiveness of the existing sponsorship to any degree?
I don't think one ticket would make much difference.
I see that you agree that it would make a difference after all. Thank you.
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So, back on topic, aside from Gillette and Ford, is there anyone else that sponsors programmes on Sky Sports that I should be boycotting?
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|I wouldn't stand under a triton shower, fly with flybe, get a phone from phones4U - or watch the crappy adverts, if my windscreen shatters then auto windscreens can fuck off, no idea what they do butI'll never invest with, in, or because of F&C or whoever. Fuck 'em. I won't watch them if they're on tv and I hate them being at our ground. Fuck 'em right off.
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Sponsor him for what ?
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Sponsor him for what ?
10p a run
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Sponsor him for what ?
10p a run
That would be a tenner in 2 days then.