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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2012, 12:09:27 AM
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One all singing and dancing thread for pre, match and post discussion.
Team: Guzan, Lowton, Collins, Clark, Warnock, KEA, Holman, Bannan, Ireland, Fonz, Bent
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Interesting team, wondering how that midfield will work itself out.
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Meant to be links here but I haven't found one yet.
http://www.atdhe24.net/live/livestream23-vs/watch-livestream23.html
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I'm guessing Holman and Bannan are the two wide men then? With KEA and Ireland completing the 'Lambert Diamond' in midfield?
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Interesting team, wondering how that midfield will work itself out.
4-3-3 perhaps with Holman and Fonz out wide?
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If it is streamed on the Villa webpage it should be streamable I would have thought.
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Interesting team, wondering how that midfield will work itself out.
4-3-3 perhaps with Holman and Fonz out wide?
I'm thinking 4-1-2-1-2
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I think he'll want to have a proper look at The Fonz so he'll probably play him up front with Bent.
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Any links I'm getting nowt ??
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7 minutes to kick-off so I'm not panicking about no streams just yet.
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Prediction. Them 1 Villa 3
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1-0 to the Yanks. It's not about the result tonight though :)
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Subs: Marshall, Dunne, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Delph, Carruthers, Weimann, Stevens, Lichaj, Herd, Baker, Gardner.
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Bit hard to discuss without video! Any score?
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Bent comes close by the sounds of AVTVs 1970s Phone link
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well none ofthe streams are working for me.
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No links working, disappointing especially as I don't have AVTV.
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Nope can't get any of them working
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Nearly a goal. Great save Zac MacMath. Fantastic ball in from Matt Lowton and Brett Holman and Darren Bent both get a touch but the keeper saves on the line.
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It's like living in the past and watching Ceefax for the scores!
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Really struggling with finding any kind of stream...
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Kareem el ACCHMADEE (jeez he makes audio bad).
Karim el Ahmadi (just how you write it. Or that is how he says his own name)
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Nathan Delfouneso in on goal. But Zac MacMath did brilliantly to save again.
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Nathan Delfouneso in on goal. But Zac MacMath did brilliantly to save again.
Do you have visuals Pete or just audio?
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Zaac MacMath is nearly as good a name as Ron Vlaar.
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Zaac MacMath is nearly as good a name as Ron Vlaar.
Would only work in the States though. He'd be Zaac MacMaths here.
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Christ I thought the kick off time was 1.30am our time. I'm missing it! (not that there appears to be anything to see). Still, cheering the team on in spirit(s).
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May as well go to bed. Hopefully Saturday will be better.
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Night all Jack Woodward is putting me into a coma
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listening to woodward is hard graft for sure
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Clark nearly scored a 35 yard screamer, just over
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woodward is so bad how the hell he keep the job...
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Delfouneso scores
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Villa 1 - 0.
The Fonz.
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Happy for the Fonz, should do his confidence the power of good.
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1-0 Philadelphiafonso
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Nice one Fonz
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Great stuff
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Played in by warnock, curled into far corner by Fonz.
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Just wondering if I heard Jack W correctly earlier on - did the whole crowd give Stan the nineteenth minute applause treatment? If so, fair play to the lot of them.
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Played in by warnock, curled into far corner by Fonz.
"Played in?" by Warnock? Sounds dubious.
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Half time.
Slightly off topic, did anyone ever play Soccer '97 on the PS1?
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yer heard him right bill they started on the 16 min till 20 fair play
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Just wondering if I heard Jack W correctly earlier on - did the whole crowd give Stan the nineteenth minute applause treatment? If so, fair play to the lot of them.
That's right. Matt kendrick mentions it in the Mail feed too. He also says 1,000 Villa fans there - wish I was!
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Impressive stuff, cheers Cumgetus and DeKuip.
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Like to see N'zog come on second half and (hopefully) get a bit of confidence. I think he'll have a big part to play this season.
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...and answered, CNZ for Ireland.
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick
Sloppy start from Charles N'Zogbia who has given the ball away cheaply on a couple of occasions
Doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.
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Dunne comes on and within minutes he's gifted them an attacking opportunity
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All over and another win. Sounds like another reasonable run-out.
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2 games, 2 wins - great start to pre-season
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Reporting in from the game here in Philadelphia. We should have been way clear in the first half. Careless finishing but the moves were good. We kept possession well overall and Bannan was the best of the midfielders out there. Lowton was adventurous and Clark looked very composed. Second half, N'Zog was just poor only to be trumped by Dunne who looked scarily shit. Nathan Baker looked composed and Lichaj was solid. Disappointed with Karim and Holman tonight. Hoped to see a lot more. Very tidy finish by Fonz.
All in all a decent workout. Have to cut them some slack as it has been murderously hot so that will have taken it out of them. Lots of work to do and we simply have to get quicker in transition and more decisive. We are simply not clinical enough and that needs to change.
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Reporting in from the game here in Philadelphia. We should have been way clear in the first half. Careless finishing but the moves were good. We kept possession well overall and Bannan was the best of the midfielders out there. Lowton was adventurous and Clark looked very composed. Second half, N'Zog was just poor only to be trumped by Dunne who looked scarily shit. Nathan Baker looked composed and Lichaj was solid. Disappointed with Karim and Holman tonight. Hoped to see a lot more. Very tidy finish by Fonz.
All in all a decent workout. Have to cut them some slack as it has been murderously hot so that will have taken it out of them. Lots of work to do and we simply have to get quicker in transition and more decisive. We are simply not clinical enough and that needs to change.
I was also in attendance and I agree with most of what you said with the exception of your input on Holman and Karim. Our first half midfield was miles better than what finished the game. And Brett and Karim were always showing for the ball and moving after they passed.. and they would get back and defend!
Fonz should have score a few, and Ireland, Bannan, Holman and Lowton were constantly looking for a final through ball which was quite enjoyable. I think we'll really come around this year, and I really liked Matty Lowton in the back. I think he'll really shine this year along with Ciaran Clark.
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Grateful for the readouts. What kind of shape did we have in midfield? Was it a diamond or just a narrow 4? It sounded like we passed the ball well in the first half, so surprised to hear that karim and Holman were average. Would love to see Clark cement his place this year, though he's always coasted through this sort of game. It's been games where people have tried to aggressively turn him or dominate him in the air where he's struggled more.
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Already it sounds like that if we rely on Dunne then we are hurtling towards disaster
He is a piss poor mistake just waiting to happen every game
Other than that if i was being super critical Bent has not got in amongst the goals as yet - we need him sharp and finishing from the off
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Agree about bent. If he'd been sharper las year it would have set us up to be comfortable for the second half of the season
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It was quite exciting reading the match thread this morning. I don't get out much.
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Already it sounds like that if we rely on Dunne then we are hurtling towards disaster
He is a piss poor mistake just waiting to happen every game
Other than that if i was being super critical Bent has not got in amongst the goals as yet - we need him sharp and finishing from the off
Dunney looked slower than usual. Almost hard to achieve but there was an incident about 10 minutes into his substitution where he got beat standing still at the top of the box by a younger player and never had a chance. The unfamiliar people around me were pretty stunned how slow a premiership center back is allowed to be.
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It sounds as though Bannan's had a good pre-season so far. Perhaps he has a future at Villa after all.
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Already it sounds like that if we rely on Dunne then we are hurtling towards disaster
He is a piss poor mistake just waiting to happen every game
Other than that if i was being super critical Bent has not got in amongst the goals as yet - we need him sharp and finishing from the off
Dunney looked slower than usual. Almost hard to achieve but there was an incident about 10 minutes into his substitution where he got beat standing still at the top of the box by a younger player and never had a chance. The unfamiliar people around me were pretty stunned how slow a premiership center back is allowed to be.
Very harsh. It's very early in pre-season and he was given a few days more off due to his involvement in the Euros. Has he been elected official scapegoat for the coming season?
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Dunney's bound to be rusty coming back late. It'll take him a couple of pre-season games to get back into it...hopefully. I'm worried, as always, about his fitness. Hopefully he didn't go hog wild on his holidays because he looked enormous in the Euro's as it was.
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Already it sounds like that if we rely on Dunne then we are hurtling towards disaster
He is a piss poor mistake just waiting to happen every game
Other than that if i was being super critical Bent has not got in amongst the goals as yet - we need him sharp and finishing from the off
Dunney looked slower than usual. Almost hard to achieve but there was an incident about 10 minutes into his substitution where he got beat standing still at the top of the box by a younger player and never had a chance. The unfamiliar people around me were pretty stunned how slow a premiership center back is allowed to be.
Very harsh. It's very early in pre-season and he was given a few days more off due to his involvement in the Euros. Has he been elected official scapegoat for the coming season?
Agree Chris,
I'm not Dunne's biggest fan, but, he must be given a couple of games.
Unfortunately, as with Hutton, he could play a blinder and some would home in on a slight error forgetting all the good stuff.
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Reporting in from the game here in Philadelphia. We should have been way clear in the first half. Careless finishing but the moves were good. We kept possession well overall and Bannan was the best of the midfielders out there. Lowton was adventurous and Clark looked very composed. Second half, N'Zog was just poor only to be trumped by Dunne who looked scarily shit. Nathan Baker looked composed and Lichaj was solid. Disappointed with Karim and Holman tonight. Hoped to see a lot more. Very tidy finish by Fonz.
All in all a decent workout. Have to cut them some slack as it has been murderously hot so that will have taken it out of them. Lots of work to do and we simply have to get quicker in transition and more decisive. We are simply not clinical enough and that needs to change.
I was also in attendance and I agree with most of what you said with the exception of your input on Holman and Karim. Our first half midfield was miles better than what finished the game. And Brett and Karim were always showing for the ball and moving after they passed.. and they would get back and defend!
Fonz should have score a few, and Ireland, Bannan, Holman and Lowton were constantly looking for a final through ball which was quite enjoyable. I think we'll really come around this year, and I really liked Matty Lowton in the back. I think he'll really shine this year along with Ciaran Clark.
I think Lambert could have unearthed a gem with Lowton.
Good to see Baker getting a good report, he's a lot better than what some think, he doesn't always get the credit he deserves.
As for Clark, the lad's a diamond.
Interesting the differing views on Karim and Brett.
I have my concerns over CN'Z. He was poor vrs Burton and when he was on in this game (according to others views)
How was Guzan?
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It sounds as though Bannan's had a good pre-season so far. Perhaps he has a future at Villa after all.
Certainly hope so. I've been worried we'll let him go and he'll come back to haunt us, like Cahill.
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Express and star
Paul Lambert today hailed the commitment of his new players following a second pre-season friendly victory in the early hours of this morning.
Villa opened their US tour with a 1-0 win at Philadelphia Union courtesy of a first-half goal by Nathan Delfouneso.
It was the first time the MLS team has lost to an English touring club and Lambert, whose appointment has triggered optimism at Villa, is thrilled at the way his players are embracing his demands.
“”You can’t play without commitment,” said Lambert. “This last fortnight we’ve been at it. The lads have been great.
“Union are into their league season and that shows how tough a contest it was. And they have beaten some really big sides here, so I am delighted with the guys.
“I think collectively they did well, everyone did.
“It was good to win and if you can keep that winning feeling going it can stand you in good stead.
“I just think they deserve a lot of credit for what they have done in the last couple of weeks after the disappointments of last year.”
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Gosh! I've just watched the match on AVTV and that was a LOT more exciting!
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...But highlights are! that's why they're highlights..
Actually the things I noticed were
Villa were (not surprisingly for pre-season) about half pace in the first half but still got into the opposing penalty area or just outside, more times than Union, who as JW kept saying are in the middle of their season and therefore fully fit
Union kept the ball more successfully in the first half, Villa kept it for most of the second half
Darren Bent needs time to sort out his feet before September
Stephen Warnock gets up and down the wing like the new lad on the other side (Lowton) who everybody likes (including me)
SW set up the goal for Fonz who took it very well
El Ahmadi and steven Ireland are going for the 'most touches in a game' award
Holman looks rather good wherever he happens to be, and
Suddenly villa players are successfully (especially 2nd half) playing the ball out of defence and around the midfield, instead of thinking, 'oh god!' and hoofing it wildly out of their space.
But also, sadly... N'Zog doesn't look that comfortable, yet. However, pre-season - time to improve!
UTV
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Good few words about us at the start of their manager's post-match interview.
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Already it sounds like that if we rely on Dunne then we are hurtling towards disaster
He is a piss poor mistake just waiting to happen every game
Other than that if i was being super critical Bent has not got in amongst the goals as yet - we need him sharp and finishing from the off
Dunney looked slower than usual. Almost hard to achieve but there was an incident about 10 minutes into his substitution where he got beat standing still at the top of the box by a younger player and never had a chance. The unfamiliar people around me were pretty stunned how slow a premiership center back is allowed to be.
Very harsh. It's very early in pre-season and he was given a few days more off due to his involvement in the Euros. Has he been elected official scapegoat for the coming season?
Although harsh, it isn't the first time he has had a poor pre season showing which then lead to a poor season. But as with any pre-season friendlies, we can't really make judgements on how good or how bad someone is during them in relation to the coming season.
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Good few words about us at the start of their manager's post-match interview.
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Thanks for posting this. I thought it was interesting that he said, Aston Villa play in a similar style to us (and other teams in MLS.)
I wonder if he'd have said this, had TSM still been in charge!
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It sounds as though Bannan's had a good pre-season so far. Perhaps he has a future at Villa after all.
The same could be said about the Fonz.
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Blimey the editor of that highlights package must have been smoking crystal meth. It's a little choppy.
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It sounds as though Bannan's had a good pre-season so far. Perhaps he has a future at Villa after all.
The same could be said about the Fonz.
I doubt it. It would be nice but he always seems so miserable.
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Can a mod merge the threads please.
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Just watching the first half of this game on avtv. As with the chicago game, it's a friendly so you shouldn't read too much into it. My views are:
- probably my own fault but a bit underwhelmed given the comments.
- was really looking forward to seeing Ireland, bannan and karim run the game. But the odd moment aside, I'm not really seeing it to the extent I envisaged. Though there were some nice interchanges with holman who looks a sensible player (ie he plays the right ball most of the time) and karim does make himself available very well. Ireland looks the pick of the bunch
- is the commentator a brummie Alan partridge? And I love Ian taylor but can't see
him popping up on sky any time soon!
- but most of all, I was really looking forward to watching bannan play. I'm sorry, I just don't see what people have been raving about. 2-3 good passes apart, I think he's been pretty anonymous. I'd be very surprised if he was playing centre mid against west ham on the basis of this sort of performance. Shame.
- fonz. Nice goal. But part from that, not seeing it I'm afraid.
- Clark looks assured, but we know he can do that all day long in this sort of game
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What's the score, and who's playing at Centre Half?
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Eh? It was last week.
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D'oh!
With all of these reports coming in I assumed we were playing someone else right now. :-[