Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Damo70 on June 20, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
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1 Man City
2 Man Utd
3 Chelsea
4 Arsenal
5 Spurs
6 Liverpool
7 Newcastle
8 Everton
9 Fulham
10 Sunderland
11 Villa
12 Stoke
13 QPR
14 Southampton
15 West Ham
16 WBA
17 Swansea
18 Norwich
19 Wigan
20 Reading
It's interesting that they fancy Southampton and West Ham to stay up but have the championship winners as the team most likely to finish rock bottom. I think Reading have a few quid to spend this close season as well.
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I tip Swansea, Southampton a and Baggies for the drop.
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This season is a tough one to call with regards to relegation. I'm going for Swansea,Wigan and Southampton. I think that both Stoke and Albion will have a struggle as well.
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I think Norwich will be near the bottom but have a decent manager.
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Wigan West Ham & QPR are my bets to be relegated, think we'll be about 9th. Can't see liverpool being as high as 6th
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Yeah very tough to call before a ball has been kicked but do fancy 2 out of 3 promoted sides to stay up. Just of interest would fans be happy with an 11th placed finish?
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Yes
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Yeah very tough to call before a ball has been kicked but do fancy 2 out of 3 promoted sides to stay up. Just of interest would fans be happy with an 11th placed finish?
As longs as its not 6 points off relegation. We really need to push on and be aiming for at least 50 points IMO.
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Too soon for this kind of prediction. Need to see all the ins & outs. If Everton lose Fellaini & Baines then they'll finish lower than that and the same with plenty of teams, I can see Spurs falling out of the top pack if they lose Modric & Bale.
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Although I agree it's too soon to judge, last season all three promoted teams stayed up, which is so unlikely (2nd time since Sky invented football?) that you can't imagine it happening again. I think two will go straight back down with West Ham staying up - we may not like it, but Fat Sam knows how to keep teams in the PL! WBA or Wigan to go down with them, with my preference/prediction being Wigan.
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There's no teams starting with 'B' left so it will have to be three W's for the drop.
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Same old same old ...
Top 5 are clearly a cut above.
The challenge for us will be to rejoin the best of the rest: Newcastle, Liverpool, Everton, Fulham and Sunderland. I wonder if Newcastel will struggle to keep up with last year's standard.
Then there's the bottom group of the usual suspects; Albion were kind of getting into the the comfortable middle group but with a new manager they may get sucked back down.
Relegation candidates clearly coming from the promoted group plus Swansea and Norwich for me.
No shit Sherlock I hear you all say......
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Mid-table mediocrity. You gotsta love it
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Our imminent takeover by QIA clearly hasn't been factored into this...
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Our imminent takeover by QIA clearly hasn't been factored into this...
Has anyone seen any 'Arab looking gentlemen' and BH?
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From a Villa viewpoint I'd be happy with that for Lambert's first season, though I'd like it better if we swapped places with Martin O'Neil's Sunderland.
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Why are they predicting Fulham to do so well?
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Our imminent takeover by QIA clearly hasn't been factored into this...
Has anyone seen any 'Arab looking gentlemen' and BH?
My brother's mate's girlfriend's hairdresser heard "Rock The Casbah" being played out of a car window near Villa Park this morning.
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Why are they predicting Fulham to do so well?
I thought there was some London bias. Fulham top ten and QPR and West Ham to stay up confortably.
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Liverpool won't finish 6th, some of the players there will struggle adjusting to what Rogers wants, and vice versa. I think West Brom will go down, going from England manager to an assistant who's never managed, meeeh! Wigan have to face the drop this year in my opinion, playing well in the lat 6 games might be too late for them this time. Then its a 2 horse race with the Hammers or the Hoops for me.
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The two teams I think they may have got very wrong are Fulham who could well finish several places lower and Reading who I think will finish a few places higher. I think Wigan, Norwich, Swansea, Southampton and Albion are the ones who will be in most danger of relegation.
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please go down olbeyun. you fuckers have been unbelievable to live by this year. top team in midlands is all i have heard for 2 months! if they went down it would make my life a dream!
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As said before, to early to predict without seeing all the coming and going thats about to start with players (and managers)
However, my punt would be Yernited, Citeh and Chelski in the top 3 and Whammers, Naaaaarich and The Best Young Manager in the World (according to Dave Whelan) to drop
Villa will be top 10 amongst Everton, Sunderland, Liverpool and Spurs
Liverpool and Spurs will both struggle to improve on last season IMO together with Arsenal if they lose RVP
Interesting times ahead I think
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Yep. So many new managers and the vasy majority of transfer dealings still to be done leaves big questions marks over a number of clubs, including ours.
Things I'd like to see:-
Wigan go down.
Houghton and Norwich do well.
Spurs or Liverpool, hopefully both, struggle.
Things I think we WILL see:-
Wigan go down.
Swansea struggle.
RDM get the bullet before the season ends.
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Although I agree it's too soon to judge, last season all three promoted teams stayed up, which is so unlikely (2nd time since Sky invented football?) that you can't imagine it happening again. I think two will go straight back down with West Ham staying up - we may not like it, but Fat Sam knows how to keep teams in the PL! WBA or Wigan to go down with them, with my preference/prediction being Wigan.
The three promoted teams for this coming season do have Premier League pedigree and/or infrastructure. I think it is more likely that 2 out of 3 of last years promoted teams (QPR, Norwich, Swansea) will suffer 2nd season syndrome, and go down, possibly with Wigan.
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
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I'd like to finish above Sunderland.
I guess we'll be between 8-12.
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We will finish 1st.
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I think West Ham will stay up. They've just signed Diame, signed a great keeper, offered a supposed £5.5 for Grant Holt and have been linked heavily with Olsson from Boggies. They seem to be taking it seriously. I think taking Holt's goals away from Norwich will be fatal for their hopes of staying up.
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QPR look a good bet to struggle. Considering they are supposed to have money they are being linked with some real dross.
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QPR are spending what I imagine is big wages on bosman players that are average. They'll survive, but it'll be close.
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Our imminent takeover by QIA clearly hasn't been factored into this...
Has anyone seen any 'Arab looking gentlemen' and BH?
Yes, but it turned out to be Stephen Ireland in a smoking jacket with his fancy pipe and a towel on his head to keep the sun off his noggin'! ;D
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I'd bet good money we'll finish above Sunderland and Fulham.
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I have a feeling Norwich will be next season's whipping boys.
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Man City to win the league, Villa to finish 10th, Stoke, Wigan and Norwich to go down.
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Albion do have a lot of distinctly average players, Hodgson did well to get them to a respectable position last year. They will struggle unless Clarke turns out to be a surprisingly good manager.
I'd like to see Stoke go down too. I had a bit of time for them when they were promoted, but they have developed into an even dirtier bunch of cloggers. Tony Pulis is the vegetarian's Sam Allardyce.
Hughton has done well in pretty dire circumstances at his previous clubs, Norwich should be ok.
QPR will spend top 6 money to get a top 15 finish.
Of the promoted clubs, Southampton will most likely struggle and will get an end of season double whammy when the better products of their excellent youth system get cherry picked.
I have no idea what division they are in, but Coventry will go down. Small Heath will release a Blue Legends DVD if they actually manage to complete their fixtures.
We will finish first, of course, despite the logic that it will be no higher than 9th to 14th if Lambert gets as far as he should with his first season's worth of squad re-building.
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Spurs may be much lower once the stars all go
Villa top 8 I reckon
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Going from 16th to 8th in one season is the minimum requirement? Surely a cup final appearence is also the very least we could expect.
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I've a feeling Newcastle will finish much lower too
I think we'll be competing with everton and spurs for 7th / 8th
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I think we will finish 11th - I'd be happy with that.
Citeh to win the league and QPR, Wigan & Stoke to go down. Stoke going down is more of a hope and prayer - they are fucking awful to watch.
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From a Villa viewpoint I'd be happy with that for Lambert's first season, though I'd like it better if we swapped places with Martin O'Neil's Sunderland.
I think that Lambert will be looking a lot higher than that prediction. Top six,just. Very optimistic me.
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8th at best.
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Confidentally expect Spurs to implode. Well, more of a hope than an expectation.
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At the top end I fancy Arsenal to break up the Manchester 1-2 and Chelsea and Spurs to really fall away. At the bottom I expect Norwich and Southampton to struggle.
We could finish anywhere between 4th and 18th, as could any of the rest, but for me the most important thing is seeing a season of decent home performances.
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8th to 10th .. good progress
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Norwich, Swansea and Southampton to go down for me.
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Minimum? I'd say that's probably the best we can hope for
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Minimum? I'd say that's probably the best we can hope for
A kind mix of the two for me. Lower than 8th and it's below par for VIlla as a club. Higher and it's been a cracking first season for Lambert.
Would hope to see Spurs lose lots of games and finish about 10th with Liverpool 9th. Wigan, Baggies and Southampton to drop for me. I can't quite come to care who wins it but probably Manchester Chelcity
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Minimum? I'd say that's probably the best we can hope for
Agreed. If we manage 8th I will be ecstatic. 10th - 12th is a realistic position in my opinion. Don't forget, he has to change an awful lot to turn us into a decent team after the dross we have endured the last two seasons.
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I wouldn't be 'ecstatic' about 8th but its where I think we'll finish and I'm not unhappy with that. I think the bottom 3 will be Swansea, West Brom, Reading.
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Minimum? I'd say that's probably the best we can hope for
Agreed. If we manage 8th I will be ecstatic. 10th - 12th is a realistic position in my opinion. Don't forget, he has to change an awful lot to turn us into a decent team after the dross we have endured the last two seasons.
There are easily 8 teams in the league better than us, so if we finish 8th, I'd be happy (this season).
Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Spurs
Newcastle
Everton
Liverpool
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8th is the minimum requirement IMO.
Minimum? I'd say that's probably the best we can hope for
Lambert out if we finish 9th?
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I think there's question marks over Spurs (who'll be manager and will they be selling?), plus Everton if Moyes goes. Also, although to a lesser extent, Liverpool and Chelsea until we see how their new managers do.
Sides you pretty much KNOW will finish above us are:-
Man Utd
Man City
Arsenal
Chelsea (despite what I said a lot of quality in their squad)
After that I think we can get in the mix if Randy backs Bertie this summer.
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I'll be happy with 10 - 12 for us, anything above that would be a bonus.
Relegation fodder, Wigan, Stoke and QPR.
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I hope Stoke go this year. Sick of them frankly.
For the drop
Stoke
Whelan's Mighty Wigan
QPR
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Agreed. Stoke's "brand" of football is an abomination that needs to stink up this league no longer.
I hope that old chav and his horrible team plummet out of sight this season. It will take the officals actually doing their jobs instead of shrugging their shoulders and saying "it's Stoke" though.
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Am I alone in wanting the three 'Ws' to go down? Wet Spam and Wet Bum for obvious reasons, and Whelan Athlunatic for the sheer joy of seeing them go, because once they do they won't come back!
Wouldn't lose sleep at Stoke going either.
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Wet Spam for their odious owners, Stoke for their anti-football, Dave Whelan's mighty Wigan for the hilarity of seeing Real Madrid's next manager in the championship.
The stripey filth can wait until 13/14, in the meantime we'll take 6 points. Cheers.
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United to win it, City 2nd, Arsenal 3rd, Chelsea 4th after sacking Di Matteo in Jan and appointing Redknapp.
Villa to finish 9th, but a poor late run seeing us drop from slightly higher.
Whelan's Wigan, Norwich and Swansea for the drop IMO. QPR, West Brom, Stoke, all to be very close too.
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I'd like to see Wigan finally drop,I'm torn over West Ham,as my brother supports them,and I've watched them a lot over the years. But I can't stand the idea of porno dwarf and ball bag face getting all over the media win,lose it draw.
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I have a funny feeling United will finish 4th this season.
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Reckon they'd be quetly encouraging Fergie to retire if that happened.
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Right now, I'd fancy Wigan, Stoke and West Brom to struggle.
As for the top can't see past a two horse race again, Man Utd could be immense if Kagawa settles and get Vidic back and Evra sorted. De Gea, Jones, Smalling, Welbeck should all be more consistent. Valencia is the best wide player in the country (IMO) and they missed him for long periods, and Ashley Young struggled after an initially decent start.
Could go the other way too, but I think they're a better bet than Citeh at the minute.
Want to see how Pardew does with expectation on him, African Nations looms and it'll be tough for him to cope again. They were great last year, but they got through alot of very tight games due to a solid defence and Ba/Cisse nicking a goal to win it. Ba is rumoured to be off, Cisse will have extra attention on him and they're supposedly changing 3/4's of their back four. If he gets consistency out of Ben Arfa (who really needs to have a good 38 game season if he's to get a big move) they should be around the top 6 again though.
Impossible to say how Liverpool/Spurs/Chelsea are gonna do at the minute for me.
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Stoke don't score enough goals. And they're talking about signing Michael Owen, but he won't flourish with their style of play.
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Presumably he's going to sit on some Stoke lummox's shoulders as the ball is thrown at his head.
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If Stoke lose Huth or Shawcross I think they'll struggle. They're impressive players and I don't think Upson and Woodgate are upto much these days.
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Huth signed a new deal last week I am sure, and Shawcross is too much of a liability for a top side to go for him I think.
Owen is there for knock downs. It is plan B. Long throw, knock down, fox in box bobbles knock down into goal. Could be effective if he is ever fit.
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I have a funny feeling United will finish 4th this season.
I doubt it. West Ham are shit.
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Bookies know feck all. We're going to win the league.
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Thanks for the tip PWS. I'm now off to the bookies to put my life savings on that. :)
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Spurs meltdown should be fun to watch
Oh and Liverpool in the bottom half ;D
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I agree with most of the thoughts on here...except the sudden demise of Stoke. Love or loathe them, they are always well organised, always have big bastards on the back line that take no prisoners and usually have plenty of well thought out set plays. Its a bit like watching American football(football my arse). But...it is effective, and I see nothing that would take them out of mid table safety for at least another season. I do think that second season syndrome will affect Norwich and Swansea, and QPR are spending hard, unsustainably if you ask me. Wigan...had enough of them now. The new entries to the league could find life tough. The best thing at WBA last season is now at England. There is a lot of turmoil in many clubs that finished above us last season (out of the 15!), which could leave a path to a relatively high place finish for us.
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I hope Wigan don't go as I've a lot of time for Martinez and how he tries to play football. And credit where its due he had them playing and beating just about everyone towards the end of the season.
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West Ham, QPR and the Fulham for me, there's your london bias :)
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Too soon for this kind of prediction. Need to see all the ins & outs. If Everton lose Fellaini & Baines then they'll finish lower than that and the same with plenty of teams, I can see Spurs falling out of the top pack if they lose Modric & Bale.
I think the loss of 'Arry will already have a significant impact on Spurs finishing lower.
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I love American Football. Watching Stoke isnt like watching that, it's like watching a real life recreation of the German team from Escape to Victory. Only more disagreeable.
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I think Norwich will struggle.
Looking at their squad, its a lot of Championship players who were being well managed by Lambert to perform beyod reasonable expectations.
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I think a place in the top 12 will be good for us after last season. As for teams going down I think it will be Norwich,Southampton and WBA,think Qpr will be a lot better this year with Hughes in charge for a full season. Hopefully West Ham will struggle but I cant see it