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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 30, 2012, 10:28:33 PM

Title: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 30, 2012, 10:28:33 PM
Has stepped down as Chairman of Watford. If Randy Lerner has any sense at all he needs to get him on the board at Aston Villa. We need a football man on the board who understands this club. Randy has to make it happen!
- sorry if this is posted elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18268548

Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: NorthYvillan on May 30, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
Has stepped down as Chairman of Watford. If Randy Lerner has any sense at all he needs to get him on the board at Aston Villa. We need a football man on the board who understands this club. Randy has to make it happen!
- sorry if this is posted elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18268548



However, I gather he is remaining as President of the club
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 12:26:09 AM
Much as I respect Sir Graham, I don't see the point of bringing him back. The new manager won't want the interference either.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 07:30:33 AM
I saw an interview with him on How To Be An England Manager on BBC3 last night. Very honest and emotional about his time as national coach. I'm torn between wanting him back in some capacity but also accepting the new man has to be his own man and do things his way.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: rutski on May 31, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Much as I respect Sir Graham, I don't see the point of bringing him back. The new manager won't want the interference either.

so all the clamour for a steve stride type person on the inside, knowing football inside out, advising the inept paul faulkener and keeping his finger on the football pulse would be an interference??
i think it would be a bloody good move!
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: robbo1874 on May 31, 2012, 08:54:47 AM
I'm 50/50 on this. Whilst he's very much yesterday's man, Taylor is very experienced and could probably offer a lot of good advice behind the scenes. However, I wouldnt agree that it's critical we get him in. Be nice if it happened though.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: darren woolley on May 31, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
I'd like him back in some capacity.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Fred on May 31, 2012, 01:24:36 PM
I would love him back as a chairman or at some capacity with the club.

I saw that BBC3 programme and apart from Sir Graham could not get over how many cretins were featured on it.
His diginity shone through and it is a shame it did not work out for him as England manager.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
A no brainer for me, to have GT on the board would not be interference but support from somebody who has fantastic football knowledge and experience, and also loves the Villa.
I hope we at least have a conversation with him about it.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
I saw an interview with him on How To Be An England Manager on BBC3 last night.
He looked worringly ill to me.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: robbo1874 on May 31, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
I fear he would be saying quite a lot of things that the owner and his advisers probably wouldn't want to be hearing. Therefore he's unlikely to be considered '
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: philthebar on May 31, 2012, 02:51:55 PM
Take a look at his resignation letter on the Watford web site - he won't be joining us.  Shame, could do with his input.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Legion on June 01, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
I'd love to see him as a board member.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: charlie on June 01, 2012, 09:29:29 PM
Yes please.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 01, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2012, 10:53:17 PM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!

How good would he be on the commercial side of the business? Not really a no brainer.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2012, 11:50:53 PM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!

How good would he be on the commercial side of the business? Not really a no brainer.

I think no-brainer is just the right word.

You'd genuinely need to have no brains whatsoever to appoint a football man like SGT to run things commercially.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2012, 11:56:18 PM
Sir Graham is 67, he neither wants nor needs more work and he's far too decent to enjoy dealing with the sort of people in top-level football now.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: villanic on June 02, 2012, 12:20:42 AM
If the board had some sense they would get someone like SGT or even an Ian Taylor type on the board. Its clear as day that they have very little understanding of football the game or the business of football.

This as been proved by the way they invested heavily into the club and then decided to go totally the opposite direction and drastically reduced spend bar the Darren Bent transfer which was out of desperation when we where heading the wrong way, This business strategy along with appointing an inept manager very nearly got us relegated this season.

The managers they have appointed have been a disaster and the money we have paid to previous managers (O‘Neill and Houllier) as well as the money paid to get McLeish has been ridiculous. I’m glad that they seem to learnt from there mistakes by the way they have gone about getting a new manager.

The board have no connection with the fans and I believe that they’ve lost the fans trust, Bringing in someone the fans can identify with and respect could go along way in repairing the relationship between the board and fans.

 
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2012, 12:32:49 AM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!

How good would he be on the commercial side of the business? Not really a no brainer.

I think no-brainer is just the right word.

You'd genuinely need to have no brains whatsoever to appoint a football man like SGT to run things commercially.

You make it sound as though being smart in business and being football smart is the same thing. It's not. Just as Faulkner hasn't been great on the football side, doesn't mean a football man can come and run the business side effectively. I have no doubt Graham Taylor, if he wanted to would be superb football mind to have around. It doesn't make him an astute businessman with experience in signing sponsorship deals, or executing other commericlal ventures. It is no different to the criticism levelled at Randy for hiring a business person and trusting him with the football side. The mistakes are very costly.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 02, 2012, 08:38:20 AM
The abuse he received as England Manager was a disgrace.
He said on the BBC 3 programme that when he was in the States and they lost 2-0, all the journos piled round to his house to harass his wife.
When she told one of them
'I never do interviews'
One of them replied
'Well you fucking well should.'
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: PeterWithe on June 02, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Its puzzling to see David Dein without an official job in football, he oversaw Arsenal dominating the league for years and would be a very useful addition.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!

How good would he be on the commercial side of the business? Not really a no brainer.

I think no-brainer is just the right word.

You'd genuinely need to have no brains whatsoever to appoint a football man like SGT to run things commercially.

You make it sound as though being smart in business and being football smart is the same thing. It's not. Just as Faulkner hasn't been great on the football side, doesn't mean a football man can come and run the business side effectively. I have no doubt Graham Taylor, if he wanted to would be superb football mind to have around. It doesn't make him an astute businessman with experience in signing sponsorship deals, or executing other commericlal ventures. It is no different to the criticism levelled at Randy for hiring a business person and trusting him with the football side. The mistakes are very costly.

I think that's exactly what Paulie was getting at.
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
Graham Taylor or Paul Faulkner?? No brainer!

How good would he be on the commercial side of the business? Not really a no brainer.

I think no-brainer is just the right word.

You'd genuinely need to have no brains whatsoever to appoint a football man like SGT to run things commercially.

You make it sound as though being smart in business and being football smart is the same thing. It's not. Just as Faulkner hasn't been great on the football side, doesn't mean a football man can come and run the business side effectively. I have no doubt Graham Taylor, if he wanted to would be superb football mind to have around. It doesn't make him an astute businessman with experience in signing sponsorship deals, or executing other commericlal ventures. It is no different to the criticism levelled at Randy for hiring a business person and trusting him with the football side. The mistakes are very costly.

I think that's exactly what Paulie was getting at.

Yep, feel like a buffoon having read it again!!

*Looks around for something to blame - shakes fist, then kicks the dog.*
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: Clampy on June 02, 2012, 12:33:09 PM
The abuse he received as England Manager was a disgrace.
He said on the BBC 3 programme that when he was in the States and they lost 2-0, all the journos piled round to his house to harass his wife.
When she told one of them
'I never do interviews'
One of them replied
'Well you fucking well should.'

I'm not sure how true this is but did'nt his parents come home one day to find reporters in their back garden?
Title: Re: Sir Graham Taylor
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 02, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
My point regarding Faulkner or Sir Graham was that if I had the choice of either I would prefer Sir Graham. Our need for a football man on the board is essential I feel, despite the excellent appointment of Lambert.
I wouldn't expect, nor want Sir Graham to deal with the commercial side of the club, just like I don't want Faulkner involved in the football side of the club.
As Dave as mentioned above, Sir Graham is too decent a man to deal with the people involved in football these days, but I would like him to have some kind of ambassadorial role within the club at least.
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