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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tuscans on May 23, 2012, 11:00:26 AM
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: Senior trio Guzan, Heskey and Cueller head Villa released list.
Brad Guzan, Emile Heskey and Carlos Cuellar have all been released by Villa.
The claret and blue trio were all the end of their contracts and will now seek pastures new.
Villa would like to thank them for their unstinting loyalty to the club and wish them all the best for the future.
Guzan has been at Villa for four years and will be remembered for his penalty-saving heroics in cup competitions.
In the pre-season Peace Cup tournament, the Chicago-born stopper saved penalties from Juventus stars Vincenzo Iaquinta and Alessandro Del Piero as Villa toppled the Italian giants in a shoot-out to lift the trophy.
Then in October 2009, Guzan denied three Sunderland players in a League Cup shoot-out to send Villa into the next round.
Unfortunately for the stopper, his path to Barclays Premier League action was generally blocked by the heroics of fellow USA ace Brad Friedel and Irish star Shay Given.
Heskey showed flashes of his undoubted quality throughout his three years as the powerful forward gave his all for the Villa cause.
He was a man mountain in keeping possession up top when Villa attacked, he scored a fair few goals and he was also a big voice in the dressing room too.
Cuellar never let anyone down for Villa as he excelled at centre-half, right-back and left-back.
In his five years at the club, he always gave his heart and soul in every appearance in claret and blue.
Ebby Nelson Addy, Connor Taylor, Charlie Ward, Reece Caira, Richard Bryan, Matthew Coton, Darious Darkin and Seb Jenkins have also been released from the academy.
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"He was a man mountain in keeping possession up top when Villa attacked, he scored a fair few goals"
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"He was a man mountain in keeping possession up top when Villa attacked, he scored a fair few goals"
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one word too many there.
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Bit surprised by Guzan's departure, thought he had a future at Villa. But that will hopefully send a message to Mark Hughes that Shay Given is going nowhere!
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Didn't Cueller join in 2008?
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Ebby Nelson Addy, Connor Taylor, Charlie Ward, Reece Caira, Richard Bryan, Matthew Coton, Darious Darkin and Seb Jenkins have also been released from the academy.
Were any of these once considered potential first teamers ? I can't remember any of our Reserve/Youth watchers raving about them.
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Not by me, no.
Good luck to them though.
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Given the wage bill situation I would actually prefer that we had given Guzan a sensible contract offer, and offloaded Given who is injury prone, ageing and paid top whack. Guzan looked as good as Given when he had a run in the team, and we would have a decent deputy in Seigrist.
Cuellar and Heskey leaving will weaken the squad, as both were good players on their day and more than adequate back up. The wages they were on were silly though so I can see why they have gone - bit like Reo Coker last season.
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"He was a man mountain in keeping possession up top when Villa attacked, he scored a fair few goals"
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one word too many there.
I think there was two too many words. a and fair .
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Not uncommon for several young players to be released. Worth keeping an eye on where they reappear. They have been to a top academy, that's for sure.
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Nice guys all of them but no great loss I'm afraid - the release from the club says it all really
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Given the wage bill situation I would actually prefer that we had given Guzan a sensible contract offer, and offloaded Given who is injury prone, ageing and paid top whack. Guzan looked as good as Given when he had a run in the team,
I don't think many people would agree, but I do.
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Heskey leaving will weaken the squad, as both were good players on their day
Maybe one season at Liverpool , a long time ago .
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I just wish we could release another 8 deadwood players at least .
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When a club has no manager, who decides that a player that is out of contract doesnt get another offer ? Im not on about Heskey or Guzan ...but to replace a decent (ish) player like Cuellar will surely cost a few quid ??
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I just wish we could release few posters from here in the same way ;)
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Given the wage bill situation I would actually prefer that we had given Guzan a sensible contract offer, and offloaded Given who is injury prone, ageing and paid top whack. Guzan looked as good as Given when he had a run in the team,
I don't think many people would agree, but I do.
Me too
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Nice guys all of them but no great loss I'm afraid - the release from the club says it all really
I agree.
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Heskey does have the odd few games when he looks a class act. The rest of the time he's a flop.
Cuellar was overrated IMO.
Guzan? Decent back up.
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Heskey's best days were at Liverpool where he scored 1 in 3, everywhere else he's been 1 in 5 which is simply not good enough when you bear in mind the ludicrous contract we gave him.
He had a brief purple patch during the early part of Houlliers reign, but otherwise he's been cack.
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Bit surprised by Guzan's departure, thought he had a future at Villa.
He's far too good to be a second choice, in my opinion.
I'm more interested to see what happens with Jean Makoun.
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Heskey was furious about this, he hit the roof....almost.
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
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I just wish we could release another 8 deadwood players at least .
I'm not sure we've got many more than 8 players left.
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
So you'd prefer the club to have offered Heskey, Cuellar and Guzan new contracts then?
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
It's been 9 days since AM left.
And exactly how many ST do you think we'd sell on the back of giving any of the players released a new contract?
I can just see the headline now "Following the news that Brad Guzan has signed a new 3 year deal, there is chaos at the ticket office as thousands queue for season tickets".
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
That really is the finest example of moaning just for the sake of it.
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Heskey was no loss, but the other two..best centre half and a 'keeper who was extremely unlucky to lose his place.No guarantee we'll even be able to replace them with players of a similar standard or even replace them at all. Certainly we won't be spending anything like what we did on Carlos
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
That really is the finest example of moaning just for the sake of it.
So you have every confidence in our Board (god knows what's happened to the General) to get it right despite the last two years of slapstick comedy?
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
That really is the finest example of moaning just for the sake of it.
its certainly prem league thats for sure
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Heskey was no loss, but the other two..best centre half and a 'keeper who was extremely unlucky to lose his place.No guarantee we'll even be able to replace them with players of a similar standard or even replace them at all. Certainly we won't be spending anything like what we did on Carlos
Almost agree. Heskey I'd gladly have driven to the club of his choice; I liked Carlos but I think losing a big wage earner to make room for e.g Ciaran Clark makes sense; I was surprised to see on Wiki (I know) that baby Brad only played 19 games for us in 4 seasons, so again makes sense to let him go if he was on a decent whack. Is Marshall still here as 2nd keeper?
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Marshall signed a one year extension.
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Bloody brilliant news that Heskey has now officially gone.
He was/is fucking useless. I can enjoy his spectacular fuckwittery now it will be in a shirt other than that of Aston Villa. Sunderland hopefully.
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Maybe Guzan didn't want to spend a few more years of his career sitting on the bench apart from the occasional cup game? Sometimes the decision isn't the clubs to make. But hey, lets slate them anyway.
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Opta Sports @OptaJoe
414 - Heskey is 1 of 22 players to score 100+ PL goals, but only Scholes (436) and Giggs (534) took more games to reach this milestone. Free.
Nice fact re-tweeted to me by my eldest son!
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Can't complain at any of the departures.
Guzan is a capable back up but he's nowhere near as good as Given, the Cuellar exit has been on the cards for some time and good as he could be, he was never THAT good.
Heskey leaving should help the season tickets sales a bit too.
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
That really is the finest example of moaning just for the sake of it.
its certainly prem league thats for sure
No chance. True top-class moaning would include 'laughing stock' and 'how low have we fallen that...'
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That's it Lerner and Faulkner.....reduce the ''small'' squad even more, as PF says: ''there's no hurry to appoint a new Manager'' Fantastic planning from our board of imbeciles - that's it, make sure the season-ticket sales are even more sluggish! Bungling, inept fucking idiots!!!
That really is the finest example of moaning just for the sake of it.
its certainly prem league thats for sure
No chance. True top-class moaning would include 'laughing stock' and 'how low have we fallen that...'
Ok, everything at Villa Park is rosy - nothing to moan about. Wonderful playing squad, great manager appointments over the last two years, top-six finishes, goals, points galore you name it - no wonder there's a great rush for season-tickets. I'd better renew quickly or I might miss out on such entertainment.
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Ok, everything at Villa Park is rosy - nothing to moan about. Wonderful playing squad, great manager appointments over the last two years, top-six finishes, goals, points galore you name it - no wonder there's a great rush for season-tickets. I'd better renew quickly or I might miss out on such entertainment.
Top class hysteria on this thread fella, good work.
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Ebby Nelson Addy, Connor Taylor, Charlie Ward, Reece Caira, Richard Bryan, Matthew Coton, Darious Darkin and Seb Jenkins have also been released from the academy.
This a sad time for these kids. Final realisation that they are not going to make it.
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Ebby Nelson Addy, Connor Taylor, Charlie Ward, Reece Caira, Richard Bryan, Matthew Coton, Darious Darkin and Seb Jenkins have also been released from the academy.
This a sad time for these kids. Final realisation that they are not going to make it.
Villa's Academy has the best record of players released getting other clubs. It's like an Oxbriidge degree - there's a chance elsewhere for them all.
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Grant Wahl (an American journalist) just tweeted this:
"Aston Villa releases Brad Guzan" a misleading headline. He's a free agent now that his contract has expired. (Villa offered him one.)
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Oh happy days! Rejoyce rejoyce, that hopeless ****** Heskey has left the club, now to delete his name from my predictive txt on my phone! Days like this don't come around often :)
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Out of all of them more disappointed about Reece Caira we waited ages for him to get here then its just been frustrating waiting for him to perform at the required level. I hope Ebby does well at a decent level.
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Well if Guzan is no longer with us then we need a new keeper to cover Given and his injuries...Craig Gordon from Sunderland is available and would be a great signing as reserve keeper.
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Benny Siegrist is more than capable of stepping up.
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Happy Heskey release day everyone.
I've got the bunting and champagne ready.
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Happy Heskey release day everyone.
I've got the bunting and champagne ready.
That news made my morning
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Bit surprised by Guzan's departure, thought he had a future at Villa. But that will hopefully send a message to Mark Hughes that Shay Given is going nowhere!
That's a shame, thought we could have got decent money for Given and saved a huge wedge on wages, stupid idea to give him five years when he joined last season. Wrong decision in my opinion, the guy doesn't inspire any confidence in the central defenders, ridgidly stays on his line and can't command a penalty area on set pieces or corners. A great shot stopper yes but you need more than that as a PL keeper. Should have gotten rid and developed Guzan who is easily good enough for the PL.
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Good luck to all of them. Heskey's a nice guy and a trier, it was always pleasing on the very (very) rare games he played well and it always seems to surprise him as much as anyone else, if he scores a goal.
Cueller will be missed. Top bloke and good pro. However, he's 30 now and replacing him with someone younger on lower wages, would make sense.
Guzan is just teetering between being an excellent number 2, or a good number 1. He has potential to be great as a number 1, but perhaps it just won't happen for him here. I doubt he wanted to stay again. Personally, Given is my number 1, regardless of Guzan playing well when called upon. There were still a few too many question marks. I think he'll do a top job for a low end Prem or decent championship side.
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My prayers are finally answered and Heskey is gone. An example of an atrocious footballer. Hutton can go next. Shame about Guzan i think he will do well.
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Hopefully the next Manager will ship Hutton and Warnock out.
You'd be hard pressed to find two worse full backs in the premier.
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Hutton was abysmal. Warnock looked better towards the end of the season and he worked his arse off against the Albion. We can do better though.
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Petrov. Weren't we not going to take the option on the last year of his contract? Or has he a year left? Or have we took it up due to the coircumstances?
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Petrov still has a year to go.
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cheers. could have sworn someone said pre-illness we had the option of another year that we weren't taking up. Obviously not.
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Bye bye, Emile. The best of luckand I hope you'll be very happy in your next job. I appreciated you and what you did for Villa.
*tin hat on*
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I agree that a better option would have been to keep Guzan and let Given go. Given has deteriorated into a brilliant shot stopper who fails to command the area. He also is living in the comfort zone of high pay and no threat to his place. The money we would save on him could be better used replacing the full backs.
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Good riddance to Heskey.
In an ideal world I'd have liked the other two to stay. Carlos rarely let us down and was better at RB than Hutton is which is very worrying. Guzan did as well as Given did in his appearences. Good luck to both of them.
Can't wait till next summer when Warnock, Dunne and Collins will all be out of contract. Happy fcuking days.
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I'm so glad i'll never have to see that tumbling oaf in a Villa shirt again.
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Heskey has scored more premiership goals than Bergkamp, Le Tissier, Zola, Di Canio, Rooney, Giggs, Defoe, and Drogba
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Won,t miss Heskey at all, his first game was probably his best and he hardly ever lasted more than 60 mins.Some of the misses he contrived defied the laws of physics and he was just another stick for the away fans to beat us with.
Guzan was atrocious in the games I saw him play in until last saeson when agreed he seemed steady but no more.
Carlos was one of my favourite players even though he was not perfect he gave his all when very often being played out of position, he's the only one we will miss.
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Heskey has scored more premiership goals than Bergkamp, Le Tissier, Zola, Di Canio, Rooney, Giggs, Defoe, and Drogba
And Tim Howard has the same amount of goals as him this season :)
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Heskey has scored more premiership goals than Bergkamp, Le Tissier, Zola, Di Canio, Rooney, Giggs, Defoe, and Drogba
Not Rooney.
The Man Utd manbaby is well ahead of our eagle-eyed former sharpshooter
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Bye bye, Emile. The best of luckand I hope you'll be very happy in your next job. I appreciated you and what you did for Villa.
*tin hat on*
This.
All the best Emile.
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Emile? What more can be said about this blundering embarrassment of a player. You were well and truly crap. Good riddance.
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I thought Guzan was desperately unlucky to lose his place last year. Almost out of nowhere he suddenly became an assured PL goalkeeeper.
It would have been nice to see him get more games, if only to show that it wasn't flash in the pan.
If it had worked out, I'd have been happy to see Given to be the one out of the door. Having an injury prone goalie who has a contract until he is 40 is not the best position to be in.
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http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/aston-villa-goodbye-emile-heskey-i-loved-you/
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Heskey, is he an equivalent of the past decade as to what Jason Lee was to he 90's?
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Opta Sports @OptaJoe
414 - Heskey is 1 of 22 players to score 100+ PL goals, but only Scholes (436) and Giggs (534) took more games to reach this milestone. Free.
Nice fact re-tweeted to me by my eldest son!
That still suggests he's been a one in four man throughout his career, which seems surprising
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Bye bye, Emile. The best of luckand I hope you'll be very happy in your next job. I appreciated you and what you did for Villa.
*tin hat on*
This.
All the best Emile.
Being such fans of the substandard I expect you two have really enjoyed the past two years!
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What would be an educated guess on the total cost of Guzan, Heskey & Cuellar's transfer fees and wages over the past few years.... £20mil... £30mil?
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What would be an educated guess on the total cost of Guzan, Heskey & Cuellar's transfer fees and wages over the past few years.... £20mil... £30mil?
Add in Habib Beye who left in January, the transfer fees and wages for those four would have to be around £35m at least! Shocking isn't it?
You can understand the board's thinking regarding the cost of squad players when you think of it in those terms!
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Bit surprised by Guzan's departure, thought he had a future at Villa. But that will hopefully send a message to Mark Hughes that Shay Given is going nowhere!
Heard a rumour that he's on 20K a week though and if we signed Kello from Hearts he'd be on about 4K.
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My calculator suggests....
Heskey - £3.5mil + 3.5 years of a reported £65,000 a week = £15,330,000.
Cuellar - £7.8mil + 4 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £16,120,000.
Guzan - £600,000 + 4 years of a reported £20,000 a week = £4,760,000.
Beye - £2.5mil + 2.5 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £7,700,000.
Total £43.9mil...
Thanks, Martin, thanks a lot.
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N'ZMAV, its figures like that that curse my uncoordinated body for not making a premiership quality player out of me. Beye is the one that really annoys me. Tut from the moment he arrived.
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Strange isn't it. Most people love Carlos because despite him not being the greatest player in the world, he gave his all even when played out of position a lot and he never moaned.
Meanwhile Heskey, who played a similar number of games to Carlos despite being here less time and costing the club less money, is hated even though, despite not being the greatest player in the world he always gave his all even when being played really out of position a lot of the time and he never moaned.
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My calculator suggests....
Heskey - £3.5mil + 3.5 years of a reported £65,000 a week = £15,330,000.
Cuellar - £7.8mil + 4 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £16,120,000.
Guzan - £600,000 + 4 years of a reported £20,000 a week = £4,760,000.
Beye - £2.5mil + 2.5 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £7,700,000.
Total £43.9mil...
Thanks, Martin, thanks a lot.
The pube head ass licking media press never mention this type of shite do they. That is disgusting.
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My calculator suggests....
Heskey - £3.5mil + 3.5 years of a reported £65,000 a week = £15,330,000.
Cuellar - £7.8mil + 4 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £16,120,000.
Guzan - £600,000 + 4 years of a reported £20,000 a week = £4,760,000.
Beye - £2.5mil + 2.5 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £7,700,000.
Total £43.9mil...
Thanks, Martin, thanks a lot.
The pube head ass licking media press never mention this type of shite do they. That is disgusting.
The idea to put Habib Beye on £40k a week when he was never even in first team plans is what grinds my gears the most.
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My calculator suggests....
Heskey - £3.5mil + 3.5 years of a reported £65,000 a week = £15,330,000.
Cuellar - £7.8mil + 4 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £16,120,000.
Guzan - £600,000 + 4 years of a reported £20,000 a week = £4,760,000.
Beye - £2.5mil + 2.5 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £7,700,000.
Total £43.9mil...
Thanks, Martin, thanks a lot.
The pube head ass licking media press never mention this type of shite do they. That is disgusting.
The bloke makes my blood boil.
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My calculator suggests....
Heskey - £3.5mil + 3.5 years of a reported £65,000 a week = £15,330,000.
Cuellar - £7.8mil + 4 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £16,120,000.
Guzan - £600,000 + 4 years of a reported £20,000 a week = £4,760,000.
Beye - £2.5mil + 2.5 years of a reported £40,000 a week = £7,700,000.
Total £43.9mil...
Thanks, Martin, thanks a lot.
The pube head ass licking media press never mention this type of shite do they. That is disgusting.
The bloke makes my blood boil.
Quite.
But who was the silly bastard(s) who sanctioned these amounts?
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But who was the silly bastard(s) who sanctioned these amounts?
Doug would never have allowed it.
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The best bits of Barney Ronay in today's Guardian:
Above all, it is the consistency of Heskey's missing that stands out: day in, day out, right foot, left-foot, and most spectacularly with his head, where Heskey seems to have an ability to see two steps in advance exactly how the chance will be missed, allowing him to crumple into a stumbling elbow-clash, neck-wrenched, ref-waving collapse, often before the ball is even delivered
…..an attacker who confuses by simply not attacking very much. You cannot mark him – because he's already marking you
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/25/emile-heskey-aston-villa-released
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The best bits of Barney Ronay in today's Guardian:
Above all, it is the consistency of Heskey's missing that stands out: day in, day out, right foot, left-foot, and most spectacularly with his head, where Heskey seems to have an ability to see two steps in advance exactly how the chance will be missed, allowing him to crumple into a stumbling elbow-clash, neck-wrenched, ref-waving collapse, often before the ball is even delivered
…..an attacker who confuses by simply not attacking very much. You cannot mark him – because he's already marking you
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/25/emile-heskey-aston-villa-released
superb - summed him up to a T :)
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I love it when clever writers with degrees in Footie Banter make jokes about Emile Heskey, especially the ones who themselves have had a 15 year career at the top level, played in two World Cup finals tournaments and at the age of 34 need never work again.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
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You forgot to mention..
(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article225812.ece/BINARY/cos-5-mins-with-image-1-303136225.jpg)
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You're not an admirer DW?
The name Barney's a bad start, and he's a bit verbose, but I wouldn't say he's about 'footie banter'. He's not a Lovejoy faux lad. But he's described Heskey's useless, lumpen contribution as I saw it and better than I ever could. So yes, I'd say he's a clever writer.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Most of the abuse hurled at Heskey was misdirected. To put the burden of goalscoring on a player who doesn't score many is the fault of his managers. Heskey was a very effective target man and that should always have been his primary use. It's lazy to criticise him when others are more culpable, particularly the manager that has just departed from our club.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Most of the abuse hurled at Heskey was misdirected. To put the burden of goalscoring on a player who doesn't score many is the fault of his managers. Heskey was a very effective target man and that should always have been his primary use. It's lazy to criticise him when others are more culpable, particularly the manager that has just departed from our club.
Good points mate and it wasnt his fault that he was given the contract that he was
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
He was hopelessly sub-standard for us, by any definition of what a Premiership footballer should be.
9 goals in 90 appearances for an outlay of £12m + I'd expect that sort of goalscoring ratio from a full back.
You mention the 100 Premiership goals and England appearances, most of which were procured before we were lumbered with him.
I know this site is famed for it's revisionism, but he's only just gone and people are lamenting him.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
And it's a strange definition of sub-standard that describes an entire career played in the Premier League, at a level only a minute fraction of players can ever attain. He may not have been good enough with Villa, he definitely got paid too much but almost certainly he got further in his career than any of us will in ours. Anyone making a cheap, easy joke about him should remember that.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Those 100 goals came in nearly 18 seasons! 9 league goals in nearly four years for us. He's not sub-standard, he's downright bloody hopeless.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
And it's a strange definition of sub-standard that describes an entire career played in the Premier League, at a level only a minute fraction of players can ever attain. He may not have been good enough with Villa, he definitely got paid too much but almost certainly he got further in his career than any of us will in ours. Anyone making a cheap, easy joke about him should remember that.
I agree the cheap shots from people who've barely seen him play (for other teams) are wrong and while I concede that he's had his moments throughout his career, decent England appearances and (I think) 20 goals in one season for Liverpool, he was way past his best for us and he WAS sub standard in a Villa shirt, which at the end of the day is all that concerns me, i'm not interested in barnstorming performances for Leicester and Liverpool and the complimentary remarks from Michael Owen.
A past it player when we signed him.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
And it's a strange definition of sub-standard that describes an entire career played in the Premier League, at a level only a minute fraction of players can ever attain. He may not have been good enough with Villa, he definitely got paid too much but almost certainly he got further in his career than any of us will in ours. Anyone making a cheap, easy joke about him should remember that.
I agree the cheap shots from people who've barely seen him play (for other teams) are wrong and while I concede that he's had his moments throughout his career, decent England appearances and (I think) 20 goals in one season for Liverpool, he was way past his best for us and he WAS sub standard in a Villa shirt, which at the end of the day is all that concerns me, i'm not interested in barnstorming performances for Leicester and Liverpool and the complimentary remarks from Michael Owen.
A past it player when we signed him.
We pretty much agree of most of the Heskey debate then. I can't help but think that much of what's being said about him now was said about Sir Graham 19 years ago.
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The fact that he had become a figure of fun in the eyes of the media and hence the eyes of casual fans and played for the noses by the time he came to us didn't help to say the least. I was quite happy that we bought him when we did to strenthen the squad and as a back up to Carew. Good at some things, always did his best, had his limitations and had a pretty poor goalscoring record for a PL and international striker. As has already been touched on, not his fault if taking all that into consideration people paid big transfer fees and wages for him and picked him for England.
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A past it player when we signed him.
This is the bottom line, and I bet even Emile couldn't quite believe it when we offered him that contract.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Those 100 goals came in nearly 18 seasons! 9 league goals in nearly four years for us. He's not sub-standard, he's downright bloody hopeless.
I bet you'd swap your career for his though.
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Those 100 goals came in nearly 18 seasons! 9 league goals in nearly four years for us. He's not sub-standard, he's downright bloody hopeless.
I bet you'd swap your career for his though.
You could say that about any footballer who's ever pulled on a pair of boots. Should we not comment on any of them because they all earn lots of money?
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and at the age of 34 need never work again.
And?
Joey Barton need never work again, he's still an arsehole.
Emile isn't, but he's still a very lucky, sub standard footballer.
Thats just your opinion......he cant be sub standard to have played for England so many times and scored over 100 premiership goals and those are the facts
Those 100 goals came in nearly 18 seasons! 9 league goals in nearly four years for us. He's not sub-standard, he's downright bloody hopeless.
I bet you'd swap your career for his though.
You could say that about any footballer who's ever pulled on a pair of boots. Should we not comment on any of them because they all earn lots of money?
Well I wouldn't swap with the Barnet reserve keeper. Or 1000s of others.
But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
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Man, when Emile broke into that Leicester team he looked like the future of English football.
Unfortunately for English football, he was.
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
If anybody is indulging in petty point scoring, it's you. The "he must be good he's earned lots of money" is really rather a feeble argument. And Fletch is right, Marlon Harewood has played for Villa, and scored for Villa, so by your reckoning, you'd want to swap careers with him.
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
If anybody is indulging in petty point scoring, it's you. The "he must be good he's earned lots of money" is really rather a feeble argument. And Fletch is right, Marlon Harewood has played for Villa, and scored for Villa, so by your reckoning, you'd want to swap careers with him.
I'd swap careers with anyone who's played for the Villa.
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
If anybody is indulging in petty point scoring, it's you. The "he must be good he's earned lots of money" is really rather a feeble argument. And Fletch is right, Marlon Harewood has played for Villa, and scored for Villa, so by your reckoning, you'd want to swap careers with him.
I'd swap careers with anyone who's played for the Villa.
That's what I was getting at earlier. Steve Hodge played for Villa, England and has a league winner's medal.......
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I'd be curious where i've said he's good because he earns lots of money. In fact i'd be just as curious to see where i've said he's good. But don't let facts get in the way of a reason to have a good moan eh Risso ;)
Even when me and Louizie said we wish him all the best in the future you couldn't resist a dig at us.
What I have said in the past is that he can do a basic job, I like him and that he's nowhere as shit as people imply. Because if he was, he wouldn't had the career he's had. A career all of us would snap anyone's hand off it offered.
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
If anybody is indulging in petty point scoring, it's you. The "he must be good he's earned lots of money" is really rather a feeble argument. And Fletch is right, Marlon Harewood has played for Villa, and scored for Villa, so by your reckoning, you'd want to swap careers with him.
I'd swap careers with anyone who's played for the Villa.
That's what I was getting at earlier. Steve Hodge played for Villa, England and has a league winner's medal.......
And has been a twat. I'd still swap careers with him, even though I wouldn't have behaved as he did for a few months during it.
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Going by the day I had yesterday at work, I'd swap careers with Habib Beye. Bring it on!
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Going by the day I had yesterday at work, I'd swap careers with Habib Beye. Bring it on!
Dire Straits did a song about him long before anyone knew he even existed! Now what was it called now? Oh yeah ... Money For Nothing! ;)
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I could sit on a bench. Month after month...
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I could sit on a bench. Month after month...
Hahaha, yeah me too, and it's not even a bench anymore is it? They have nice fancy seats now, still, he didn't even do that and made £42k every week! What a bloody life!
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I could sit on a bench. Month after month...
Hahaha, yeah me too, and it's not even a bench anymore is it? They have nice fancy seats now, still, he didn't even do that and made £42k every week! What a bloody life!
lol - and after this week it sounds very appealing.
Actually, though, I think I'd prefer to be Dennis Mortimer!
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I could sit on a bench. Month after month...
Hahaha, yeah me too, and it's not even a bench anymore is it? They have nice fancy seats now, still, he didn't even do that and made £42k every week! What a bloody life!
lol - and after this week it sounds very appealing.
Actually, though, I think I'd prefer to be Dennis Mortimer!
Hello then Dennis, my name is Brian of Little, pleasure to meet you! ;D
(I guess that's adulation over cash for both of us then! LOL)
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Does anyone remember on that Fantasy Football show when Frank Skinner took the piss out of some lower league footballer with the funny name. Then the guest berated him for being a dick as the guy has done more in football than he ever could?
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But I would with Emile, as i'm sure you would. So i'm not going to slate someone when I wish I had a fraction of their ability and had spent the last 15 years playing and scoring for my country, playing at major tournaments for my country, winning a few trophies, playing for Villa, scoring for Villa, scoring in front of the Holte all the while earning more money than I can ever dream of.
Tell you what, I'll never say another bad word about Marlon Harewood.
He's much better at football than me and minted to boot,
The Marlon Harewood who has never won anything, never played for England and has spent a fair part of his career outside the top flight?
But hey,if it makes you happy to bring up a player that has failed to do a lot of the things that make me wish i'd had Emile's career just to try and score a point on the internet then knock yourself out.
If anybody is indulging in petty point scoring, it's you. The "he must be good he's earned lots of money" is really rather a feeble argument. And Fletch is right, Marlon Harewood has played for Villa, and scored for Villa, so by your reckoning, you'd want to swap careers with him.
I'd swap careers with anyone who's played for the Villa.
That's what I was getting at earlier. Steve Hodge played for Villa, England and has a league winner's medal.......
And has been a twat. I'd still swap careers with him, even though I wouldn't have behaved as he did for a few months during it.
And that's it. We would all swap places with anyone who played for Villa. reading about Eamonn Dearcy he felt it was an honour to play to play for Villa. That's how I would feel.
Shit, I would have even been happy to play for Ipswich against Boro in 1981 and while they were gutted I would have been secretly very happy.