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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2012, 05:03:10 PM
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If I didn't about us talking to OGS I'd be more than happy with Lambert. And still will be. But given th choice, I'm firmly now in the OGS camp.
Simple poll between the two.
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OGS.
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It's illogical. A week ago I would have said Lambert over most candidates and most probably would have laughed at the suggestion of OGS. But a week can be a long time.
OGS has caught our imagination!! I voted for him.
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I agree with you totally TV!
I can't help thinking that if it isn't OGS now it will somehow feel like we got our second choice, whoever it is!
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Still something about Lambert I don't like. OGS for me.
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Having taken time to reflect i think ogs would be a very bold positive choice , lambert a safe pair of hands but either will do nicely.
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OGS. Not just because I think he would be a near-perfect choice for us, and one we'd greatly regret if we didn't take, but I don't rate Lambert as highly as many on here - views I think backed up by some stats I found and posted in the managers' thread:
Norwich finished top of the long-balls per game league, and twelfth in the short-passes league. They scored the seventh highest number of goals from open play, which sounds impressive, except that they came seventh in crosses per game and sixteenth in number of through balls. They came fifth in breakaway goals, but fourth in set piece goals, scoring more set pieces at home and more counter attacks away, though generally scoring fewer at home. Is this starting to sound familiar?
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Either. But like a lot of people OGS has caught my imagination and I am ready for a brave and bold choice. I also think that if he came in, for the first time since O'Neill left, the club would be united and moving forwards as one behind a manager that most of us seem to believe in?. After the last two seasons, I am ready for that.
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I'm not voting for either-as you can never tell how things work out. I prefer the idea of OGS like most on here as he comes without 'baggage' and is something exciting and unexpected.
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OGS
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OGS
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OGS
I'd be pretty happy if Lambert took over despite not being 100% sure about him. But OGS pumps my nads.
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Lambert for me. The upset on the Norwich forums has convinced me he'd be the man to move us forward. As for Ole, I fear people are getting carried away on hope and expectation with very little to back it up.
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Extremely excited about OGS and I would be disappointed now if we missed out. A week a go I would have been very happy with Lambert though.
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Funny. A week ago, Lambert would have won this against the field. Had we not known about the OGS meeting, most would be delighted about Lambert being the new boss. There would not have been many that were truly upset. A week in football truly is a long time.
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My head says Lambert. Safer pair of hands and all that.. but I'm voting for OGS - and even I'm not sure why I'd prefer him. Just feels right. I like the way he talks, the way he has Molde playing, and the way in which he's spoken about our club.
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Maybe Paul Lambert should release a propaganda video on YouTube seeing as so many people seem to be using that as a basis for deciding Solskjaer is a great manager who plays football 'the right way'
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Maybe Paul Lambert should release a propaganda video on YouTube seeing as so many people seem to be using that as a basis for deciding Solskjær is a great manager who plays football 'the right way'
He doesn't have to. There's plenty of hard evidence on Norwich. With Lambert you almost know what you are getting, plus he meets most of the criteria we would want in our next manager. With OGS we all think from our limited information that he meets the same criteria, we are influenced by his background, and by the fact that he has been succesful in his own league immediately. It is the complete unknown that is intriguing. A bit like a bird being more attractive with a sexy dress on the first time you see her, than being competely naked from the start. You want to be teased a little.
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Has be OSG. All the MON links to Lambert leave me a bit uneasy.
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I'm not voting because i'd be fairly happy with either. OSG is a gamble obviously but it seems to have caught everyone's imagination. I like Lambert as well though, he seems like a decent coach and we'd suit him.
I think we may well need a Harry Hill type fight to settle it.
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OGS pumps my nads.
The things some people will do for a job.
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaers Claret and Blue Army!
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OGS for me...I'd rather step into the unknown of potential of relegation or Europe, than settle for the easy option of average midtable-ness!
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OGS.
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While everything I've seen about OGS has been immensely positive, he is definitely a gamble and that's what worries me. With everything that's happened to our club recently, I'm not sure a gamble is the best move. We need a safe pair of hands to make sure we don't end up anywhere near the relegation fight.
I get both sides of the argument, though. I'm happy either way really - I just want it sorted soon so we can move on.
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I'd be happy with either, but on balance I'd choose Lambert. I just think he is the right fit, and that some of the criticisms of him are unduly harsh. Also, what are believed to be his weaknesses might be what ultimately makes him so well suited to the job. We've had a manager who tried to make sweeping change in Houllier and that did not turn out well. What we need, is a manager who brings about incremental rather than dramatic change and not to transform too much too soon.
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From everything I've read, Lambert is as big (if not bigger) a gamble.
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Like others, I am quite excited about OGS, however if the club decide on the safer option of Lambert I`m OK with that also
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Maybe Paul Lambert should release a propaganda video on YouTube seeing as so many people seem to be using that as a basis for deciding Solskjær is a great manager who plays football 'the right way'
He doesn't have to. There's plenty of hard evidence on Norwich. With Lambert you almost know what you are getting, plus he meets most of the criteria we would want in our next manager. With OGS we all think from our limited information that he meets the same criteria, we are influenced by his background, and by the fact that he has
been succesful in his own league immediately. It is the complete unknown that is intriguing. A bit like a bird being more attractive with a sexy dress on the first time you see her, than being competely naked from the start. You want to be teased a little.
Youre right. The danger is you could spend all night buying her drinks and flirting with her, only to take her home, lift her skirt and find....well, you've seen The Crying Game haven't you.
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I'd be happy with either, but on balance I'd choose Lambert. I just think he is the right fit, and that some of the criticisms of him are unduly harsh. Also, what are believed to be his weaknesses might be what ultimately makes him so well suited to the job. We've had a manager who tried to make sweeping change in Houllier and that did not turn out well. What we need, is a manager who brings about incremental rather than dramatic change and not to transform too much too soon.
Agreed with you there.
This is not the time for a revolution, it's the time for a steady re-building progress.
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Funny. A week ago, Lambert would have won this against the field. Had we not known about the OGS meeting, most would be delighted about Lambert being the new boss. There would not have been many that were truly upset. A week in football truly is a long time.
That planespotter must never have dreamt the change of direction in peoples thoughts the minute he tipped people off that randys plane was in oslo- without knowing that and if it had been kept hush hush we would mostly be clamouring for lambert.
Funny how things change but no doubt ogs is a decent candidate.
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Think i would rather Lambert just,but id be happy with either
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I went with OGS but I would be very happy with either TBH.
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I wonder if the majority of Villa fans will get behind OGS? Could be some anti-united crap.
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Both are good choices, but Ole shades it for me due to the excitement factor.
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Head says Lambert, heart says OGS.
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its a no brainer for me, Lambert wasnt in my top 5 anyway
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As the 100th voter I demand my prize of OGS as manager!
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I wonder if the majority of Villa fans will get behind OGS? Could be some anti-united crap.
I can't see that being an issue in any way, shape or form.
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Sold on Ole.
Cant give you a reason to why, other than the bloke seems to be on a mission to get to the top.
If we are part of that journey, then I'm up for it.
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Maybe Paul Lambert should release a propaganda video on YouTube seeing as so many people seem to be using that as a basis for deciding Solskjær is a great manager who plays football 'the right way'
He doesn't have to. There's plenty of hard evidence on Norwich. With Lambert you almost know what you are getting, plus he meets most of the criteria we would want in our next manager. With OGS we all think from our limited information that he meets the same criteria, we are influenced by his background, and by the fact that he has
been succesful in his own league immediately. It is the complete unknown that is intriguing. A bit like a bird being more attractive with a sexy dress on the first time you see her, than being competely naked from the start. You want to be teased a little.
Youre right. The danger is you could spend all night buying her drinks and flirting with her, only to take her home, lift her skirt and find....well, you've seen The Crying Game haven't you.
Yeh, but that's still better than seeing the girl naked, doing the dirty only to be told a few days later that Patrice used to be Pat, a burly fireman that lost his way.
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OGS because he will have learnt a lot of good watching SAF when warming the bench at MU and then being part of SAF's inner circle when reserve coach. He also gives me the impression that he could handle big egos, not too sure that Lambert can nor does he convince me that he can motivate his team in the same way that OGC might.
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I'd be happy with either, but on balance I'd choose Lambert. I just think he is the right fit, and that some of the criticisms of him are unduly harsh. Also, what are believed to be his weaknesses might be what ultimately makes him so well suited to the job. We've had a manager who tried to make sweeping change in Houllier and that did not turn out well. What we need, is a manager who brings about incremental rather than dramatic change and not to transform too much too soon.
This is where my opinion differs...there is so much wrong with the first team squad that immediate and effective changes are required.
We do have some good footballers in the squad so they should welcome and embrace any changes that OGS implements, and I'm sure most of our midfield and forwards will benefit, improve and be transformed under OGS...but its the donkeys (mainly our defensive unit) that will have problems to adapt. In which case, fuck them off and get better players in...and I would be quite happy if the likes of Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Hutton never wear a Villa shirt again.
If the new manager has a budget of £15-25m then we can afford to replace all of the defenders, and still have cash to spare with any funds generated from their sales to invest in may be 1 or 2 midfielders.
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OGS as I think it would be a refreshing change at the Villa. Although Lambert would also be a good appointment perhaps too much like the MON days?
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I still don't get this whole sudden love affair with OGS. I'm sure he's a decent young,exciting coach but we've already got those in the premiership!.
His coaching experience is basically with the kids and reserves at united and in the Norwegian league with capacity crowds of 11k.
I really hope I'm wrong but it all seems a little small time.
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I still don't get this whole sudden love affair with OGS. I'm sure he's a decent young,exciting coach but we've already got those in the premiership!.
His coaching experience is basically with the kids and reserves at united and in the Norwegian league with capacity crowds of 11k.
I really hope I'm wrong but it all seems a little small time.
There's plenty of managers who have come from humble beginnings. The trick is spotting which have found their level and which have attributes that can be brought up a level or two.
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There are more Poles on here than in Warsaw,
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I still don't get this whole sudden love affair with OGS. I'm sure he's a decent young,exciting coach but we've already got those in the premiership!.
His coaching experience is basically with the kids and reserves at united and in the Norwegian league with capacity crowds of 11k.
I really hope I'm wrong but it all seems a little small time.
That's fine, but what makes you think he has the right attributes?
There's plenty of managers who have come from humble beginnings. The trick is spotting which have found their level and which have attributes that can be brought up a level or two.
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Lambert was my choice a week ago, he's still my choice today, think he's exactly what this club needs and OGS experiance and lack of proven success as a manager means Lambert for me
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I wonder if the majority of Villa fans will get behind OGS? Could be some anti-united crap.
Can't see it happening, but the love in from Ure fans is making me cringe
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That's fine, but what makes you think he has the right attributes? It just seems that everyone's jumping on the bandwagon cus of his name.
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That's fine, but what makes you think he has the right attributes? It just seems that everyone's jumping on the bandwagon cus of his name.
This, I fail to see what he's done? He's won a league in some foreign country, but so did Alex McLeish!
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Are we ruling out any other options at this point? I still think there will be a twist somewhere and we'll see another name emerge. Out of the two, I would still prefer Lambert.
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People's Front of Yardley back Lambert.
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OGS for me, I think Lambert is a decent choice but I just don't like the idea of another manager who is so hands off in training. I want someone who is in amongst the players and infects them with the right attitude. I fairly sure OGS will do that (I haven't watched the video 'propaganda' other than to check out the view from his office, my new flat is just as good), I don't know if Lambert will.
OGS just feels right.
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Lambert for me, can't stand the thought of going to Old Trafford for another Houllier style love in.
At least the Norwich fans will hate Lambert when we go there.
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Solskjaer and if It's not I'm taking my ball and going home, if its Lambert or Rogers I'm not setting foot in villa park till they have gone
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Solskjaer for me, as I think he could completely reinvigorate the club and drag us into the 21st century.
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OGS
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Lambert-don't get the OGS fever. I wouldn't be against either choice but one is more risky than the other.
I don't see what's so wrong with the MON connection?Those awful top 6 finishes and cup final....bad times.Just because he knows MON-it doesn't make him prone to wasting millions on squad payers
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OSG in principle. My one reservation is that if he's as successful as we all hope, when SAF shuffles of this mortal coil, he's likely to then be first in line to replace him. That being the case, we won't stand a chance of keeping hold of him; we'll lose him sooner or later.
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OGS for me, even though the riskier option. I think I'm just seduced by the thought of a genuine shift in the culture of the club, embedding a style of passing, creativity and winning.
Probably completely illogical, and Lambert has done a fantastic job with Norwich. I think I just need to feel really excited.
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Like others a week ago I would have said Lambert.
For some stupid reason I want OGS, I just have this good feeling about him.
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OSG in principle. My one reservation is that if he's as successful as we all hope, when SAF shuffles of this mortal coil, he's likely to then be first in line to replace him. That being the case, we won't stand a chance of keeping hold of him; we'll lose him sooner or later.
My one reservation is we may be looking to replace him before Christmas.
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OGS for me, even though the riskier option. I think I'm just seduced by the thought of a genuine shift in the culture of the club, embedding a style of passing, creativity and winning.
Probably completely illogical, and Lambert has done a fantastic job with Norwich. I think I just need to feel really excited.
This is how I feel, it does feel like a long term plan. Also as so many are into the idea then there will probably be some patience to turn this club into an exciting, attacking footballing unit.
It does all seem a bit like a footballing experiment in a way and it's so intriguing to see this happen.
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Can a Mod change my name to Fergal Ole Gunnar Bent please, with the appropriate grammar and language changes if you can :)
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OGS would play better football.
Lambert would get more wins.
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Jonc73 said
Lambert-don't get the OGS fever. I wouldn't be against either choice but one is more risky than the other.
I don't see what's so wrong with the MON connection?Those awful top 6 finishes and cup final....bad times.Just because he knows MON-it doesn't make him prone to wasting millions on squad payers
Basically agree with this. Would be happy with either though
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Lambert-don't get the OGS fever. I wouldn't be against either choice but one is more risky than the other.
I don't see what's so wrong with the MON connection?Those awful top 6 finishes and cup final....bad times.Just because he knows MON-it doesn't make him prone to wasting millions on squad payers
I guess it's the crap football people are more worried about.
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This whole don't hire him because he'd like to manage Man U thing is stupid. Graham Taylor clearly wanted to manage England one day which is why he took the job when it came up. Should we not have hired him because he had lofty ambitions? It's good for a person to want to excel in whatever they do as it means they are ambitious and will want to do well. No manager lasts forever, and if one day he is good enough to manage them, then we'll have done really well from it. Maybe by that stage he won't want to leave anyway as he is emotionally tied to us and will have built something really impressive.
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Lambert-don't get the OGS fever. I wouldn't be against either choice but one is more risky than the other.
I don't see what's so wrong with the MON connection?Those awful top 6 finishes and cup final....bad times.Just because he knows MON-it doesn't make him prone to wasting millions on squad payers
I guess it's the crap football people are more worried about.
Yes, it was crap watching us beat Blues 5-1, putting 5 past Bolton, finishing one season in the top 4 highest goalscoring teams. Pile of wank!
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OGS would play better football.
Lambert would get more wins.
OSG would hopefully take us into the 21st century.
Lambert, I'm not so sure.
As Randy's bank balance will testify, you're best to build a new house on solid foundations than quick sand.
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I really don't mind which one of these two gets the job. I just hope they get given the tools to do it. The squad needs an overhaul. I think Lambert may be more in tune with those bosman's from around the Premier League but OSG is more exciting as a link. If one of these two is given the job then Randy can't lose as the fans will back them.
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I wouldn't be averse to either but preference for Lambert
Should United have another season without silverware and OGS do well for us they will come sniffing round him as a replacement for Taggart and would expect he will jump at the chance to manage them
Lambert played at the top level and clearly has ambition, he's impressed me thus far and can see him doing a great job for us
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OGS all the way
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OSG in principle. My one reservation is that if he's as successful as we all hope, when SAF shuffles of this mortal coil, he's likely to then be first in line to replace him. That being the case, we won't stand a chance of keeping hold of him; we'll lose him sooner or later.
To be honest, if he does manage us he will have to do an unbelievable job to even be considered for the Man Utd job. That job will interest pretty much every manager in the world.
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OSG in principle. My one reservation is that if he's as successful as we all hope, when SAF shuffles of this mortal coil, he's likely to then be first in line to replace him. That being the case, we won't stand a chance of keeping hold of him; we'll lose him sooner or later.
To be honest, if he does manage us he will have to do an unbelievable job to even be considered for the Man Utd job. That job will interest pretty much every manager in the world.
A very good point, well made. He'd have to be a top, top Manager for that to happen and if he is, it'll mean that Villa are also a very good club and will have no problem attracting another quality Manager themselves.
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Solskjaer seems to have captured the imagination of most of us.
I think with Lambert we'll know what to expect, and although Rogers was my initial preference I certainly wouldn't complain if it was Lambert.
I have to admit that a Solskjaer appointment excites me and feel he'll offer us more.
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Mourinho is desperate for the United job, and you would have to be brilliant to be a better candidate than Mourinho. Guardiola might even fancy it.
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T.B.H guys ,you are looking at ten years in the future before he can get anywhere near united.Can't we keep him until then? I think so and who knows what he can turn us into? Maybe a swap with Manure and Chelski,just maybe we can go places with this man in charge. Just a thought.
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OGS. Couldn't really begin to give you a logical reason but for some reason it just feels right.
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Head says Lambert but heart says OGS purely because when this club gets a head of steam up over an exciting appointment this meek little lion suddenly turns into a beast that takes some stopping ,grab it's tail and enjoy the ride !
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grab it's tail and enjoy the ride !
That reminds me of someone else. Who was it who used to say "Hold onto your seats" during MON's early days?
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OGS for me. But happy with Lambert should it be him.
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Head says Lambert but heart says OGS purely because when this club gets a head of steam up over an exciting appointment this meek little lion suddenly turns into a beast that takes some stopping ,grab it's tail and enjoy the ride !
Very good post. I know exactly what you mean. Hope there are still some hairs on the back of my neck.
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A week ago it was Lambert all the way - OGS has now captured the imagination because that's exactly what you need when you think of his teams. But I like the way he talksabout football and the Villa already - there's no doubt he wants to come here.
I still prefer Lambert but either appointment would be fine by me. Both have their merits but for differing reasons.
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Solksjaer for me- can't really explain why other than what a few others have already said- it just seems like a good move. He seems to have achieved a fair amount of success at the levels he had already competed at, winning the reserves league with utd and leading molde to their first ever league title at his first attempt. Ok, if he retired tomorrow he wouldn't go down as one of the top managers, but you can only beat what's put in front of you. Who's to say he couldn't cut it in the premiership? He managed it as a player at probably one of the biggest clubs in the country (during his time there) so he'll know what the pressure and expectations are going to be like at villa.
It's funny, whilst I dislike man utd, you couldn't help but like him as a player. Knew his role, never whinged, usually had a smile on his face and devastating in front of the goal. Unlike our last manager I reckon if anybody could translate a winning mentality to our bunch of confidence free under performers then I reckon it would be solksjaer.
Sign him up randy!!
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grab it's tail and enjoy the ride !
That reminds me of someone else. Who was it who used to say "Hold onto your seats" during MON's early days?
Ah the good old days of SeattleVillain, chief cheerleader and happyclapper for the new Randy/MON regime. What did happen to him? Does anyone hear from him?
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grab it's tail and enjoy the ride !
That reminds me of someone else. Who was it who used to say "Hold onto your seats" during MON's early days?
Ah the good old days of SeattleVillain, chief cheerleader and happyclapper for the new Randy/MON regime. What did happen to him? Does anyone hear from him?
4 1/2 years since he last posted. He just vanished.
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OGS for me as I want someone to transform the club like Arsene with Arsenal, Joseph Guardiola for Barcelona. I am sick of shit football. I want entertaining, quality passing game. I want Aston Villa to woo me back to football.
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OGS for me
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Ole please. Second choice Martinez.
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Happy with either but OGS my first choice
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Solskjær as I believe he will get us playing the kind of football I will look forward to coming to see.
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OGS, just about ahead of Lambert.
Rogers would be a consideration, but Martinez can fuck right off, I really can't see the appeal.
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OGS, just about ahead of Lambert.
Rogers would be a consideration, but Martinez can fuck right off, I really can't see the appeal.
So not having an OGS username Fletch?
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OGS, just about ahead of Lambert.
Rogers would be a consideration, but Martinez can fuck right off, I really can't see the appeal.
So not having an OGS username Fletch?
I'm not tempting fate, i'll wait till he's here.
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What are the reasons for wanting Ole? Or is it just heart says so?
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Youth, ambition, intelligence, freshness, expectation of success rather than mediocrity, total fucking absence of baggage.
Lambert is a good manager, but not an exciting one. I want following the Villa to be exciting, I don't think it's too much to ask
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Youth, ambition, intelligence, freshness, expectation of success rather than mediocrity, total fucking absence of baggage.
Lambert is a good manager, but not an exciting one. I want following the Villa to be exciting, I don't think it's too much to ask
I think that sums it up for me.
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Why are so many people so wrong about this. Solskjaer is not ready. He can go and get ready somewhere else for his future coronation at Old Trafford.
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Why are so many people so wrong about this. Solskjær is not ready. He can go and get ready somewhere else for his future coronation at Old Trafford.
You cannot possibly for a second know that anyone's wrong. We might be wrong, but we might be very right.
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Why are so many people so wrong about this. Solskjær is not ready. He can go and get ready somewhere else for his future coronation at Old Trafford.
Bloody hell, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. How many years off being ready for the Man U job do you think OGS is? That's IF Fergie steps down any time soon, which he shows no sign of doing.
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Why are so many people so wrong about this. Solskjær is not ready. He can go and get ready somewhere else for his future coronation at Old Trafford.
Bloody hell, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. How many years off being ready for the Man U job do you think OGS is? That's IF Fergie steps down any time soon, which he shows no sign of doing.
This is the point Ole would have to do an incredible job with us to land the Man Utd job. In the process of the incredible job he'd instill a passing and exciting football style at Villa Park, which we are desperately in need of.
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OGS, just about ahead of Lambert.
Rogers would be a consideration, but Martinez can fuck right off, I really can't see the appeal.
So not having an OGS username Fletch?
I'm not tempting fate, i'll wait till he's here.
Have to agree RVB.
I've noticed loads of slight changes in user names, even Mr Woodhall has got in on the act.
I, also, won't be tempting fate, not a lot I can do with nigel though!
I mentioned in an earlier post that my sons initials are already OGS, so I reckon he beats us all ;D
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Spot on Aftab. Once you get over the euphoria you realise how crazy it is.
All he has won is a reserve league and a (with respect) lower class title in a country where anybody walking in with a coaching staff that had premiership experience would have a distinct advantage anyway.
Besides, its really no big deal to win the league with Man U's stiffs, they virtually get the pick of the talented kids anyway. They won it this year too. Without OGS.
I hope people realise the most successful Man Utd reserve team manager of recent times was NOT Solskjaer at all. No, Ricky Sbragia won more, and we all knew how naive Sunderland were by making him first team manager.
So what if Ferguson bigs him up, we've fallen for that one before.
Some of you may have seen Molde play. I doubt any of you have seen enough of them to be speaking with the certainty I've seen posted lately.
"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
I hope Randy makes this decision on cold hard facts, and not hopes and dreams.
Dreams have a habit of turning into nightmares very quickly.
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"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
Might be something to do with the amount of Molde supporters who have said so.
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Spot on Aftab. Once you get over the euphoria you realise how crazy it is.
All he has won is a reserve league and a (with respect) lower class title in a country where anybody walking in with a coaching staff that had premiership experience would have a distinct advantage anyway.
Besides, its really no big deal to win the league with Man U's stiffs, they virtually get the pick of the talented kids anyway. They won it this year too. Without OGS.
I hope people realise the most successful Man Utd reserve team manager of recent times was NOT Solskjær at all. No, Ricky Sbragia won more, and we all knew how naive Sunderland were by making him first team manager.
So what if Ferguson bigs him up, we've fallen for that one before.
Some of you may have seen Molde play. I doubt any of you have seen enough of them to be speaking with the certainty I've seen posted lately.
"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
I hope Randy makes this decision on cold hard facts, and not hopes and dreams.
Dreams have a habit of turning into nightmares very quickly.
Sometimes you need a bit of a leap of faith to make progress. Also I assume they haven't just gone, 'well he was good at Man Utd, that'll do.' They've probably talked to him and looked at tapes of his Molde team.
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Youth, ambition, intelligence, freshness, expectation of success rather than mediocrity, total fucking absence of baggage.
Lambert is a good manager, but not an exciting one. I want following the Villa to be exciting, I don't think it's too much to ask
I think that sums it up for me.
And me. I don't think anybody is naive enough to believe that Solskjaer is going o be a huge hit just bcause he's won the league in Norway. But he does have all of the traits that Damon suggests, and I'd rather have a crack at something new and fall short, than continue on down the usual well-trodden path.
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Spot on Aftab. Once you get over the euphoria you realise how crazy it is.
All he has won is a reserve league and a (with respect) lower class title in a country where anybody walking in with a coaching staff that had premiership experience would have a distinct advantage anyway.
Besides, its really no big deal to win the league with Man U's stiffs, they virtually get the pick of the talented kids anyway. They won it this year too. Without OGS.
I hope people realise the most successful Man Utd reserve team manager of recent times was NOT Solskjær at all. No, Ricky Sbragia won more, and we all knew how naive Sunderland were by making him first team manager.
So what if Ferguson bigs him up, we've fallen for that one before.
Some of you may have seen Molde play. I doubt any of you have seen enough of them to be speaking with the certainty I've seen posted lately.
"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
I hope Randy makes this decision on cold hard facts, and not hopes and dreams.
Dreams have a habit of turning into nightmares very quickly.
The thing is, he's entered 2 competitions as a manager and has won them both playing good passing, high tempo football. His experience is small, but it's experience as a winner. He was also a winner when he played, as I've said before being able to regularly come on and change a game takes a very specific skillset which, for me, translates well to management as well (I'm basing this more on rugby than football but it's a similar concept).
Aside from all of that it's the thought that he might be great. I can't think of another manager we've got a realistic chance of getting who is genuinely spoken about as having the potential to take on one of the biggest jobs in the sport. Yes it's a risk but it's one worth taking because the potential rewards are huge.
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The thing is, anyone's a gamble. I'm sure you can undermine Lambert's record if you wanted to. What's he actually won, League 1? Promotion from the Champ? McLeish had done the latter. Norwich only finished 11th, is that good enough for Villa? They got tanked 6-1 at home by City late in the season, is that lying down for the bigger clubs?
Incidentally I honestly don't mind which one we get as I think they've both got plus points. It's easy to be negative, let's be positive about whoever it is.
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That's a good point. It's nigh on impossible to know for definite which players will make good managers, but one whose specialism was observing the game critically as a sub and changing the outcome in 10 minutes can be assumed to have a lot of what it takes.
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That's a good point. It's nigh on impossible to know for definite which players will make good managers, but one whose specialism was observing the game critically as a sub and changing the outcome in 10 minutes can be assumed to have a lot of what it takes.
Very true, and Lambert was a very tactically aware, read-the-game type of defensive midfielder, so it stands to reason that they'd both end up better managers than, say, Ince or Bryan Robson, whose particular brands of charging, while great to watch, didn't always involve much thought.
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P_ole ae (sorry I'm losing track of these names- not even sure who you used to be !)
I accept he has been relatively successful thus far and I see why people hold great hopes for his progression. But both times you could argue he has had the odds in his favour. As i already mentioned, he did nothing with Man U that Sbragia didnt. His legendary status in his home country gave him an instant respect amongst his players and my understanding is he was well backed financially. People were critical of MONs transfer dealings, how do we know Solskjaer is a good judge of talent? How do we know what his policy would be?
I would dismiss any talent or honours he won as a player out of hand, it's irrelevant when it comes to management (with the exception of the respect aspect). There far better players than OGS that have come up short as managers.
Again, I can't accept he does play high tempo, attacking football. Not saying he doesn't, but I've not seen his sides play. I dont really like taking other peoples opinions as fact. And even if YOU guys have seen Molde play, I'd ask to to take into consideration the standard of opposition.
Finally, I'm pleased the majority accept it's a risk, because that's precisely what it is. As I've said before , we can't afford to drop two places from last year, this is not the time for experimentation. I wouldve given this a crack last year, but not now.
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The risk is hardly that he'll take us down though. He's not going to do worse than Alex bloody McLeish!
All of the managers in the frame will improve us as a club, and take us to a higher position than the previous disaster of an incumbent. The question then is, how far can they take us? For me, Lambert will take us into a position of mid-table security and no further, and there's a good chance he'd do it playing pretty unappealing football. Pragmatism and midtable obscurity are a hopeless mix in the long run.
Solskjaer, though, may take us a bit lower than that, further from the European places, though almost undoubtedly still secure. However, because of the football style he espouses, there is a greater chance that he can actually achieve something real and lasting with our football club. Either way, it's likely to be more entertaining around VP with him than with the man 'Only an Excuse' fans will know as 'Obmal - the Quite Man'.
I'm not saying that Lambert is a bad manager, nor even that mid-table is his limit - it's simply a case of which hand fits the glove better. Lambert will take us so far, but only so far. With Solskjaer, the facts (even if you don't know them, that's no reason for you to disbelieve them) suggest that he might have greater potential with us.
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Why are so many people so wrong about this. Solskjær is not ready. He can go and get ready somewhere else for his future coronation at Old Trafford.
Bloody hell, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. How many years off being ready for the Man U job do you think OGS is? That's IF Fergie steps down any time soon, which he shows no sign of doing.
This is the point Ole would have to do an incredible job with us to land the Man Utd job. In the process of the incredible job he'd instill a passing and exciting football style at Villa Park, which we are desperately in need of.
"wrong" was a bit inflammatory and yes if he comes to us and eventually goes to manu he would have to do some stuff and great stuff at VP however ...big gamble.
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But Monty, blind optimism isnt a 'fact' at all - that's my point. I want to make my decision based on evidence, and unfortunately with Ole there isn't a lot to go by.
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It's not exactly blind, there is evidence of his abilities.
The difficulty I foresee is not so much him leaving for Newton Heath: it's journalists making an issue of the 'Fergie Succession' as soon as he gets a few wins under his belt, or Man U suffer an unexpected exit from the champions League.
That will become pretty annoying for all of us, I think, and will get worse the more successful he is.
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But Monty, blind optimism isnt a 'fact' at all - that's my point. I want to make my decision based on evidence, and unfortunately with Ole there isn't a lot to go by.
The way he plays football is a fact, you tried to denigrate such a status by saying that you hadn't seen it (also, you mention the standard of the opposition to Molde - don't forget the standard of refereeing in a country historically in favour of more physical football, and the standard of Molde themselves).
Lambert has done well in one Premier League season, but so did George Burley or even Alex McLeish. Now, Lambert's better than those, but here are some facts: Norwich played more long balls than anyone else in the Premier League last season; Norwich scored the 7th most goals from open play, but played the 16th fewest through-balls and the 7th most crosses; they scored the 5th highest number of goals on the break and the 4th highest from set-pieces, and considerably more away than at home.
We've seen that sort of football at VP before, albeit a less sophisticated version, and it wore us out, as we know its limitations. It's time for a change.
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We've seen that sort of football at VP before, albeit a less sophisticated version, and it wore us out, as we know its limitations. It's time for a change.
Once we get it, we'll wonder why it took us so long to change it. Twelve years too late but better late than never.
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Youth, ambition, intelligence, freshness, expectation of success rather than mediocrity, total fucking absence of baggage.
Lambert is a good manager, but not an exciting one. I want following the Villa to be exciting, I don't think it's too much to ask
I think that sums it up for me.
Youth, intelligence and expectation of success? Why not Neil Lennon? There's quite a few managers out there that have these qualities and they all have the one thing OGS lacks - experience.
Absence of baggage? If you thought Houllier had Liverpool baggage, OGS's man utd baggage seems ten times worse. I watched the mutv film of him last night and he is totally immersed in all things man utd. His kid supports man utd, his dream is to manage man utd, his coaching staff are all man utd. Yes, I know it was a man utd film, but that doesn't take the baggage away. We will have a walking, talking advert for man utd strolling along the corridors and green fields of Bodymoor should we lose all sense of proportion and common sense and appoint the man.
I have seen absolutely no evidence to suggest OGS has the credentials to turn around a huge Premier League club. Posters on forums have argued the point that they can't explain why OGS would be a good appointment and they base their view on it being a "hunch" or that it "feels right". Well, I'm not sure that is reason enough to make an absolute novice our manager.
People have also suggested that appointing a novice didn't exactly do Arsenal or Barcelona any harm. Wenger was a manager for twelve years before getting the Arsenal job. Guardiola, though a novice, was totally immersed and up to speed in the club he was taking over. Not only that but the club he was taking over was full of some of the world's greatest players. Guardiola also lives and breathes Barcelona, they are his club. None of these factors would apply to OGS if he were to get the Villa job.
For me - and I'm a glass half full person, believe me - OGS would be such a naive, horrifically poor appointment that I seriously question whether we would be a Premier League club come this time next year. My hunch and feeling is that we are pinning our hopes on a man who has less senior managerial experience than a certain Graham Turner all those years ago. Imagine Graham Turner infused with the man utd/sir alex fixation of a Steve Bruce and I believe you will get some picture of the carnage that I believe awaits us.
For me this OGS episode highlights the dangers of the internet(!) when it comes to opinion forming and group concensus. I remember reading early polls asking Villa fans who they wanted to succeed McLeish and Lambert was way,way out in front (on something like 30%) with a whole load of other runners and riders nipping at his heels. OGS was featured on the poll, too, and could be found lurking near the bottom on about 3% with Curbishleys of this world.
It strikes me that so desperate are we for hope and a new, dynamic figurehead to lead our club, that as soon as "The Trees" let us all know that Randy's plane was off to Norway, people simply let out all their emotions and frustrations and piled them onto a fantasy figure. This outpouring of hope has snowballed and ballooned in such a way that I believe many of the things being said about OGS are beyond the realms of rational thought. (I was reading last night on another forum that the appointment of OGS would guarantee full houses back at VP, for instance.)
I really don't quite understand what is happening here. It's as though a mini cult has formed around an infant-faced Norwegian; an infant faced Norwegian who has achieved pretty much the square root of bugger all in top class football management. Smile, don't worry, all you have to do is believe.
People point to the mutv video which highlights the views of football sages such as rio ferdinand and say, "Look, look, everyone thinks Ole is ace!" Dear Lord. This is an mutv documentary designed to make their former son look a world beater. Think the Villa promotional videos of Downing booting balls into a wheelie bin and you'll understand why I am totally bewildered at how so many people seem to have lost all sense of proportion.
I have seen nothing - absolutely nothing - to suggest OGS can turn our club around. He has no experience of handling senior pros with big egos; he has no track record in the European/world transfer market. In Norway he is a huge fish in a small bowl. He will not have such a pull, such gravitas in England or at Villa. Making him manager would be like handing over the keys of your prized vintage car to your next door neighbour's eight year old son.
Exciting? Oh yes. Exciting in a good way? I'm not so sure.
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Monty, I would much rather be upfront and say I don't know what sort of football Molde play under OGS than be one of those that repeat football cliches parrot-fashion in an attempt to gain respect on a football forum.
I can't call anything a fact if all I have to go by is other peoples opinions.
Some people say Wigan play good football, on the occasions I've seen them I've found that not to be the case! I form my opinions on what I see, not what I'm told. I don't think there's anything wrong in that.
Damon- I must admit the possible future Man U links aren't really an issue for me. As people rightly say if we are doing well, it's par for the course. I accept we are not a top 4 club and are always in danger of having staff poached by those that are.
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But Monty, blind optimism isnt a 'fact' at all - that's my point. I want to make my decision based on evidence, and unfortunately with Ole there isn't a lot to go by.
As somebody aboves suggests, you can make that point for all managers though. Rodgers plays good football a Swansea, but he was a disaster at Reading. Martinez also likes to play good football, but his Wigan team are either beyond pathetic or world beaters. Lambert has done well for Norwich, but his football appears to be more functional, and is he just a good mid-table manager? The point is, that unless you're going for somebody top drawer like Wenger, or the next level down like Moyes, there isn't concrete "evidence" that they're going to be a success. I'd say Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers and OGS would all be risks to a similar degree, and all have strengths and weaknesses.
OGS is definitely the most exciting choice in my opinion, and if that excitement adds 5,000 back on to the gates, that's a another reason to give him a chance.
Anyway, where's the risk, really? Is he going to be as fundamentally awful as McLeish? Doubtful. Might he take a couple of years to find his feet? Probable, but if we get some good football along the way, then a season or two of midtable finishes won't hurt. Could he possibly be a masterstroke - unknown, but the chance that he might is what's so exciting.
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But Monty, blind optimism isnt a 'fact' at all - that's my point. I want to make my decision based on evidence, and unfortunately with Ole there isn't a lot to go by.
As somebody aboves suggests, you can make that point for all managers though. Rodgers plays good football a Swansea, but he was a disaster at Reading. Martinez also likes to play good football, but his Wigan team are either beyond pathetic or world beaters. Lambert has done well for Norwich, but his football appears to be more functional, and is he just a good mid-table manager? The point is, that unless you're going for somebody top drawer like Wenger, or the next level down like Moyes, there isn't concrete "evidence" that they're going to be a success. I'd say Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers and OGS would all be risks to a similar degree, and all have strengths and weaknesses.
OGS is definitely the most exciting choice in my opinion, and if that excitement adds 5,000 back on to the gates, that's a another reason to give him a chance.
Anyway, where's the risk, really? Is he going to be as fundamentally awful as McLeish? Doubtful. Might he take a couple of years to find his feet? Probable, but if we get some good football along the way, then a season or two of midtable finishes won't hurt. Could he possibly be a masterstroke - unknown, but the chance that he might is what's so exciting.
Very well put Risso and I think that's essentially the point. Mcleish took us to such a low point, that'd it'd be very difficult for a manager, whoever it is, to replicate that. We desperately need to be reinvigorated as a club, there's no real time pressure so the excitement around Solskjaer is what we need. He would be given the time to make his mark at the club, and there's a chance that would begin to move the club back to where it belongs.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I'm not sure, the AML experience has made a few realise that the comfort of mid table is better than looking out for Boltons results each week.
I think Lambert is equally capable of playing attractive football that wins us more games than we lose - at the moment I think that's probably the main criterea. Hence why we've had some strong interest I'd suspect.
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I don't see Lambert as a dull option. Norwich have had a pretty exciting few years from him, as did Colchester before that. I would fully expect Lambert (assuming he was backed with some funds) to get us challenging for European football again.
OGS I know nothing about, could be great, could be pants, not going to form a view based on an advertorial from MUTV.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
Maybe but how long will the shine last on OGS if things don't go as planned? Whichever way you look at it, it's a serious gamble, a knee jerk reaction to the dull football at Villa Park over the last few years. It's obvious the fans and board finally realise that a radical change is needed but I hope they're patient enough to give the man a chance. Personally, I can see him growing into the role but it will take time.
As I've mentioned before, there's something very 'Brian Little' about OGS, a no-nonsense, straight talking and refreshing approach. If he can get us playing the way Sir Brian did, I'll be more than happy.
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I think we could have a relatively crap first season under OGS and people would be patient. Under Lambert or Martinez the pressure would come much more quickly.
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The point is, that unless you're going for somebody top drawer like Wenger, or the next level down like Moyes, there isn't concrete "evidence" that they're going to be a success.
I totally agree.
I'd also add that with Moyes and Everton, it is a case of a perfect fit between manager and club. I'm not convinced he would have that success if he were to come here.
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Lambert-don't get the OGS fever. I wouldn't be against either choice but one is more risky than the other.
I don't see what's so wrong with the MON connection?Those awful top 6 finishes and cup final....bad times.Just because he knows MON-it doesn't make him prone to wasting millions on squad payers
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This whole don't hire him because he'd like to manage Man U thing is stupid. It's good for a person to want to excel in whatever they do as it means they are ambitious and will want to do well. No manager lasts forever, and if one day he is good enough to manage them, then we'll have done really well from it.
Its the flip side of this that bugs me though, why does he have to prove himself to become the Man U manager (where he already has strong links), but to become Villa manager he has to do bugger all other than win a small time title. Why can't we, the mighty Aston Villa, appoint someone who excelled first?
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I know I'm becoming impatient with the waiting, and it's only been a week!
But I'll give whoever comes in a chance, and will be patient, and that's whether that person coming in is OGS, Lambert or Martinez.
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Thish
Lunch time drinking?
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It's the unknown that excites me the fact that we haven't got a clue how he will play or handle the players we pretty much know from the off that am was a defensive style manager but this appointment would at least make us want to got to villa park and look forward to it
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I think Lambert has a touch of MON about him in many ways, he's far from my first choice.
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Knowing that he would be looking at the Northern European transfer market helps, there are some good players in Norway, Sweden and Denmark*
* I am not John Blackwell
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Thish
Lunch time drinking?
it's Norweigan isn't it? We should all be practicing.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I think Lambert has a touch of MON about him in many ways, he's far from my first choice.
I would say he's more tactically astute than O'Neill.
Doesn't resort to hoofing if things don't pan out.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I think Lambert has a touch of MON about him in many ways, he's far from my first choice.
I would say he's more tactically astute than O'Neill.
Doesn't resort to hoofing if things don't pan out.
I always thought the hoofball thing re MON was pretty unfair. I wouldn't say his teams played the long ball any more than other sides.
My main concern was he only had the one way of playing, and would do that with the same players week in, week out, regardless of whether it was working or not.
He over-relied in balls in from the wings, which is similar to the long ball game, as it too is a percentages game (whack enough in, and someone is bound to get on the end of them), but I wouldn't call him a long ball manager.
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Thish
Lunch time drinking?
it's Norweigan isn't it? We should all be practicing.
I wanted to hack a minky whale to death as a sacred ritual to speed up OGS' appointment.
Sadly there are a lack of them in Great Barr, so I went down to the canal and set fire to a shopping trolley.
I'll download some Norwegian Satanic heavy metal as well.
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But Monty, blind optimism isnt a 'fact' at all - that's my point. I want to make my decision based on evidence, and unfortunately with Ole there isn't a lot to go by.
Anyway, where's the risk, really? Is he going to be as fundamentally awful as McLeish? Doubtful. Might he take a couple of years to find his feet? Probable, but if we get some good football along the way, then a season or two of midtable finishes won't hurt. Could he possibly be a masterstroke - unknown, but the chance that he might is what's so exciting.
I am not against the appointment of OGS, but do have some concerns. The risk for me is that he comes and it soon dawns on everyone that he is way out of his depth. He doesn't seem to have too m uch experience in his coaching staff either, which again is a concern. I go back to Arthur Cox's words to John Gregory when he was appointed Villa manager "You've not just been handed the keys to a corner shop, you've been handed the keys to a bloody megastore. Can you handle a megastore?".
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I think Lambert has a touch of MON about him in many ways, he's far from my first choice.
I know it's not very politically correct to say so but do you know, despite his faults, I quite enjoyed the Martin O Neill years.
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I just think that people would get bored with Lambert very quickly.
I think Lambert has a touch of MON about him in many ways, he's far from my first choice.
I would say he's more tactically astute than O'Neill.
Doesn't resort to hoofing if things don't pan out.
I always thought the hoofball thing re MON was pretty unfair. I wouldn't say his teams played the long ball any more than other sides.
My main concern was he only had the one way of playing, and would do that with the same players week in, week out, regardless of whether it was working or not.
He over-relied in balls in from the wings, which is similar to the long ball game, as it too is a percentages game (whack enough in, and someone is bound to get on the end of them), but I wouldn't call him a long ball manager.
Whereas Lambert's Norwich finished top of the long-ball charts last year, comfortably beating Stoke. They also had that trait which, under MON, became a problem for us, namely that a huge proportion of their goals from open play came from crosses.
Like I've said before, Lambert is a good manager but too pragmatic for our wishes at the moment. Even his European training was under arch-pragmatist Hitzfeld, playing that old, awful to watch 5-3-2 with the sweeper, defensive, behind the two centre backs, wing backs essentially playing as full backs and players like Lambert himself in a very strict holding role, while they counter-attacked to often massive and physical players like Carsten Jancker. It can be effective, but it ain't pretty, and we need entertainment back at VP to get some momentum going as a club.
Essentially, for next season, I'd rather finish 10th playing entertaining stuff than 8th playing dull stuff, and OGS looks more capable of delivering that than Lambert.
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Youth, ambition, intelligence, freshness, expectation of success rather than mediocrity, total fucking absence of baggage.
Lambert is a good manager, but not an exciting one. I want following the Villa to be exciting, I don't think it's too much to ask
I think that sums it up for me.
Youth, intelligence and expectation of success? Why not Neil Lennon? There's quite a few managers out there that have these qualities and they all have the one thing OGS lacks - experience.
Absence of baggage? If you thought Houllier had Liverpool baggage, OGS's man utd baggage seems ten times worse. I watched the mutv film of him last night and he is totally immersed in all things man utd. His kid supports man utd, his dream is to manage man utd, his coaching staff are all man utd. Yes, I know it was a man utd film, but that doesn't take the baggage away. We will have a walking, talking advert for man utd strolling along the corridors and green fields of Bodymoor should we lose all sense of proportion and common sense and appoint the man.
I have seen absolutely no evidence to suggest OGS has the credentials to turn around a huge Premier League club. Posters on forums have argued the point that they can't explain why OGS would be a good appointment and they base their view on it being a "hunch" or that it "feels right". Well, I'm not sure that is reason enough to make an absolute novice our manager.
People have also suggested that appointing a novice didn't exactly do Arsenal or Barcelona any harm. Wenger was a manager for twelve years before getting the Arsenal job. Guardiola, though a novice, was totally immersed and up to speed in the club he was taking over. Not only that but the club he was taking over was full of some of the world's greatest players. Guardiola also lives and breathes Barcelona, they are his club. None of these factors would apply to OGS if he were to get the Villa job.
For me - and I'm a glass half full person, believe me - OGS would be such a naive, horrifically poor appointment that I seriously question whether we would be a Premier League club come this time next year. My hunch and feeling is that we are pinning our hopes on a man who has less senior managerial experience than a certain Graham Turner all those years ago. Imagine Graham Turner infused with the man utd/sir alex fixation of a Steve Bruce and I believe you will get some picture of the carnage that I believe awaits us.
For me this OGS episode highlights the dangers of the internet(!) when it comes to opinion forming and group concensus. I remember reading early polls asking Villa fans who they wanted to succeed McLeish and Lambert was way,way out in front (on something like 30%) with a whole load of other runners and riders nipping at his heels. OGS was featured on the poll, too, and could be found lurking near the bottom on about 3% with Curbishleys of this world.
It strikes me that so desperate are we for hope and a new, dynamic figurehead to lead our club, that as soon as "The Trees" let us all know that Randy's plane was off to Norway, people simply let out all their emotions and frustrations and piled them onto a fantasy figure. This outpouring of hope has snowballed and ballooned in such a way that I believe many of the things being said about OGS are beyond the realms of rational thought. (I was reading last night on another forum that the appointment of OGS would guarantee full houses back at VP, for instance.)
I really don't quite understand what is happening here. It's as though a mini cult has formed around an infant-faced Norwegian; an infant faced Norwegian who has achieved pretty much the square root of bugger all in top class football management. Smile, don't worry, all you have to do is believe.
People point to the mutv video which highlights the views of football sages such as rio ferdinand and say, "Look, look, everyone thinks Ole is ace!" Dear Lord. This is an mutv documentary designed to make their former son look a world beater. Think the Villa promotional videos of Downing booting balls into a wheelie bin and you'll understand why I am totally bewildered at how so many people seem to have lost all sense of proportion.
I have seen nothing - absolutely nothing - to suggest OGS can turn our club around. He has no experience of handling senior pros with big egos; he has no track record in the European/world transfer market. In Norway he is a huge fish in a small bowl. He will not have such a pull, such gravitas in England or at Villa. Making him manager would be like handing over the keys of your prized vintage car to your next door neighbour's eight year old son.
Exciting? Oh yes. Exciting in a good way? I'm not so sure.
Top post BW.
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"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
Might be something to do with the amount of Molde supporters who have said so.
All 11,000 of them
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"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
Might be something to do with the amount of Molde supporters who have said so.
All 11,000 of them
That's 10,999 more than thought that Villa played good football last season.
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"he plays good exciting football" ...... Does he? How do you know? A YouTube video produced by MUTV where they are nailed on to show their favourite son in a good light anyway?
Might be something to do with the amount of Molde supporters who have said so.
All 11,000 of them
The fact that Norway has a population of slightly less than five million, spread over a vast area of small isolated towns, may have something to do with attendances at domestic games.
And makes it all the more remarkable that their international side is at 24 in the FIFA world rankings: above the Czech republic, USA, Japan, Turkey, Hungary and the Ukraine.
Scotland is at 48.
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All these young coaches are a risk but for me it has to be someone with more experience than united reserves and the Norwegian league.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
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I always imagined nothing would happen with Lambert until after their game with Celtic tonight.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
Talking of SSN, that blonde Norwegian journalist was a little bit fit.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
Talking of SSN, that blonde Norwegian journalist was a little bit fit.
Ulrikakakakakakaka
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Bigger front bumpers than her.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
Talking of SSN, that blonde Norwegian journalist was a little bit fit.
You can't say that without posting a pic.
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I can only remember it being a typical Norwegian sounding name and I think the caption said that she was a sports journalist for TV2. I'm sure they will repeat it around 45-55 minutes into the hour. I'll look her up if I see it again but some of our newly found Norwegian friends might know who I'm referring to.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
Stay strong. Lambert will be there.
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Well, according to both Sky Sports and this twattery Fouth Official bloke , who they tell me is a reliable ITK, Villa have not made any contact with Norwich about Paul Lambert.
IF this is true, I will concede defeat and join the OGS camp as I can't stand Martinez and his mythical footballing genius.
Stay strong. Lambert will be there.
yep, he'll be somewhere. Not at Villa Park mind you. But somewhere.
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Perhaps a mod could, ahem, you know, reset the poll......
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Lock, I think.