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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: usav on May 06, 2012, 09:51:29 PM
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Yes, I think so.
The emergence of Chris Herd - forced into the team and has done very well, hopefully he will be in the side for many years to come.
Clark is a class player, if he can stay fit. Still not sure where his best position is - kind of like Barry in his early years.
Given - solid all season, great save today from Bale in the first half.
Weimann - looks a good prospect.
Money - has to be coming now I would think. We can't sustain another season with this squad whoever the manager is and the board must know that.
Finally - Injuries, surely we can't have another run of injuries like we have had the last two years, that has to improve just by law of averages.
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No more home games for atleast 3 months.
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Robbie Keane. One for the future
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Lichaj. He's been good in a few games recently, I thought.
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That useless twat who supposedly manages our team is going to get the sack for being responsible for the worst home record in the club's history alone.
The home record that will be forever in the history books, and will be forever a slur on the club.
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We're staying up.
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Baggies helped us stay up,and they hate it
makes me laugh anyroad
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That useless twat who supposedly manages our team is going to get the sack for being responsible for the worst home record in the club's history alone.
The home record that will be forever in the history books, and will be forever a slur on the club.
Yawn.......
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We're still in the Premier League.
We can't get much worse than this season surely?
On a personal level, if McLeish stays and we are as bad again next season, at least I won't be there to watch it.
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I'm no great AML fan but i'm glad to see athread with some positivity, as I think there is some.
Alex McLeish - The case for the defence.
1) We can be hard to beat when we're not accepting defeat pre-match.
2) The key injuries to the spine of the team would hurt any Club. Top golascorer, Captain and most influential midfielder and most experienced central defender all out for the last few months.
3) We can be extremely proud of the home grown talent that has come through this season. 7/8 on the pitch each week.
4) I think he's genuinely got some strength in character - it's been tested this season and he's just about come through it.
5) I think like GH would've, he'll finally weed out the trouble makers in the Summer, then add some of his own players and blend them in with the youth. We've never really seen his team (hope that's a positive).
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Losing Heskey and his contract (I hope)!
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Alex McLeish had a more successful season with Villa than Billy McNiell.
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That useless twat who supposedly manages our team is going to get the sack for being responsible for the worst home record in the club's history alone.
The home record that will be forever in the history books, and will be forever a slur on the club.
Yawn.......
Bollocks mate. Its what I think. I don't go around knocking other people's opinion.
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I can spread out and put my ruck sack, programme, cuppa tea and pie on the empty seats near me.
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The only positive I can think of is that McLeish hasn't yet sunk to O'Leary levels.
Time is a great healer but I still fill up with rage every time I see that snidey little prick's stupid face on TV, harping on about the great bunch of kids he had at Leeds or all of his wonderful times in the marble halls of Highbury. Twat.
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The only positive I can think of is that McLeish hasn't yet sunk to O'Leary levels.
Time is a great healer but I still fill up with rage every time I see that snidey little prick's stupid face on TV, harping on about the great bunch of kids he had at Leeds or all of his wonderful times in the marble halls of Highbury. Twat.
This. I'll always loathe the fucker.
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No more pressure,relaxin sitting at home watching the snooker with a nice bushmills malt
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£500 worth John?
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To Oz Villa you like the twat Mc Leish you have him down under with a bit of luck a Great White or an old Salty might make a meal of him.
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If Mcleish is gone by the end of the season then yes.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
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That useless twat who supposedly manages our team is going to get the sack for being responsible for the worst home record in the club's history alone.
The home record that will be forever in the history books, and will be forever a slur on the club.
Yawn.......
Yawn, really? It's the worst home record in the entire history of the club. That's pretty significant and embarrassing.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
This is the positive thread! Wishing an incurable disease on someone, or to be eaten by a shark, is not positive (or funny). There are plenty of other threads to have a moan.
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To Oz Villa you like the twat Mc Leish you have him down under with a bit of luck a Great White or an old Salty might make a meal of him.
Sending a natural red head to a hot country? Thats clearly a stupid idea.
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To Oz Villa you like the twat Mc Leish you have him down under with a bit of luck a Great White or an old Salty might make a meal of him.
I don't 'like him'. I don't think he should've been appointed or still be our Manager next season. The thread was about whether there were any positives and I think there are a few - but only a few.
IF he stays, were going to have to build on something from this season.
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Yes, keep this for positives please. There are plenty of other threads to vent your spleen.
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Not for Terry there isn't.
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Having watched the last few games, the one positive for me is that I genuinely believe we are not too far away from being a decent side. If we can get the best out some of the players we already have (Bent, N'Zogbia etc.) and can bring in some quality additions in the positions we desperately need (central midfield, left back, right wing) , then we should be more than capable of improving next season. I have my views on whether McLeish is the right man to be trusted with that job, but I can definitely see him being in charge at the start of next season.
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Yes - at least FIFA 13 won't have Heskey in the Villa squad.
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Herd, Lichaj, Baker, Robbie Keane, Ireland latterly. Many positives we expected were not realised and such joy as was came from very unexpected directions. I wish no ill or malice towards McLoser, and the nastiness to person or family cannot be justified. he is as useless as DoL, but not such an offensive fool., however were he to resign or be moved on it would be a huge positive. We have played some, not a lot, some decent halves of footie but holding onto a lead would be amazing, [22 more points amazing]!!!
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well, given the number of corners we conceded yesterday, not letting in a goal from a set piece (other than the pen) was some going!
Reasons to be cheeerful? - Baker, Lichaj, Herd, Clark, Carruthers. Hopefully, Gardner will come back much stronger. Hopefully Albie and Bannan will push on (under new management ....),
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The blooding of Herd, Baker, Weiman, Clark, Gardner, Lichaj, Carruthers Maybe Bannan and Albrighton won't quite make it, hard to tell under our current manager.
Would love to see us have a complete clear out and give these kids a chance along with Given, Bent, Ireland, Nzogbia (good player in there somewhere) and some new signings...
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1. We didn't go down. We could have.
2. The kids, in the order: herd, Clark, baker, lichaj.
3. I'd think there must be recognition that we can't go into another season with this sort of squad - so unproven in so many positions.
4. Given and to an extent Ireland.
5. Fans showing their positive side for stan.
6. It's pretty much over and I can forget about it till August. Anyone spotting me spending hours over the summer months getting embroiled in hours of debate on the managerial situation or potential transfers is very much entitled to remind me that I should have better things to do with my life.
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Carlos cuellar has been brilliant and looks capable of being out linchpin for the next 4-5 years, the experience the younger lads need around them. What's that you say? Oh....
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The emergence of Herd, Weimann and Lichaj. The loan move for Keane which was questioned by many. The fact that this season is basically over!
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1. We didn't go down. We could have.
2. The kids, in the order: herd, Clark, baker, lichaj.
3. I'd think there must be recognition that we can't go into another season with this sort of squad - so unproven in so many positions.
4. Given and to an extent Ireland.
5. Fans showing their positive side for stan.
6. It's pretty much over and I can forget about it till August. Anyone spotting me spending hours over the summer months getting embroiled in hours of debate on the managerial situation or potential transfers is very much entitled to remind me that I should have better things to do with my life.
Spot on plus I'm just glad to be waking up today not having to give a shit about the Wigan Blackburn game.
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Hopefully the big positive will be we will start next season with paul Lambert in charge. Gaps need to be filled below with good astute signings:
Given
Lichaj ????? Collins ?????
N' Zogbia Herd ?????? Ireland
???? Bent
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That useless twat who supposedly manages our team is going to get the sack for being responsible for the worst home record in the club's history alone.
The home record that will be forever in the history books, and will be forever a slur on the club.
Yawn.......
Bollocks mate. Its what I think. I don't go around knocking other people's opinion.
I do ! ....yawn !...........................Godzvilla!
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Hopefully the big positive will be we will start next season with paul Lambert in charge. Gaps need to be filled below with good astute signings:
Given
Lichaj ????? Collins ?????
N' Zogbia Herd ?????? Ireland
???? Bent
this is difficult this player Sudoko :-\
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I have to echo some of the posts on here....there is definite positive undertones to our season.
1) the Youth stepping up. For years I've heard Villa fans saying that they wanted more Youth to be given a chance. Well, mainly out of necessity granted, but McLeish played them. Herd, Wiemann, Lichaj, Clark, Baker, Carruthers, Bannan, Albrighton (less so this year), all got a chance. For me, only Herd, Wiemann and Clark emerged with any REAL credit this year.
Wiemann is a goal machine and I hope we can play him more next season - proper fox in the box at times.
2) We lost some influential players and still managed to fight tooth and nail for some draws. Okay, it wasn't pretty, but we stayed in the league with the likes of Bent, Petrov, Gabby, Dunne, out for considerable time.
3) As somebody else said (and I feel like I'm stealing their points), AML has showed a real determination and spirit against the abuse. I for one respect him for that. I draw the line at personal insults and as Villa fans, we have to look at ourselves because honestly....we're some of the worst fans in the whole 92 club setup sometimes.
4) Lerner won't want a repeat so we can be sure at least "something" will change.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
Considering the events of the last month or so, I think this comment is incredibly insensitive. Shame on you, sir.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
Considering the events of the last month or so, I think this comment is incredibly insensitive. Shame on you, sir.
Quite so and he's now been banned.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
Considering the events of the last month or so, I think this comment is incredibly insensitive. Shame on you, sir.
Quite so and he's now been banned.
Thank you mods.
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£500 worth John?
never in doubt mate, never in doubt ;D
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We definitively answered the question "Are we a better side without Darren Bent ?"
No. We're really not.
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Dave the Mod and me battling strongly together against more than 80% of posters who voted we would go down.
telling them not to be so daft, it'l never happen,
just like to say
we told you so
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We're another year closer to actually winning the FA Cup.
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The NexGen games were really very good and showed us the promise of things to come, hopefully.
The first team did actually improve toward achieving the managers expectations, earlier in the season we played dull, unadventurous football and kept getting beaten, toward the end it was the same but we got the required draws.
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Yeah we certainly hardened up and ,as has been mentioned, we slowly got better at dealing with corners, not that it should've been rocket science to start with.
I wonder how much the Petrov illness galvanised the fighting spirit of the players more than AML's motivational skills. I think it galzanised the support base at the right time and probably spared AML for a couple of weeks longer before the Bolton 85th minute chants.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
I think you should go and have a sit on the naughty step and calm down.
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I agree that we did, at times, play some attractive approach football (thank you Mr Ireland) - but our passing in the final third left (so often) something to be desired.....
I wonder how they might play against Norwich without the threat of relegation over them...
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Dave the Mod and me battling strongly together against more than 80% of posters who voted we would go down.
telling them not to be so daft, it'l never happen,
just like to say
we told you so
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Yes we did comrade!
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As someone else mentioned one of the positives was not conceding from about 2 dozen corners and similar type free kicks. One thing I noticed yesterday was Given coming out and making some clean catches. When a GK does that it helps the defence to be more stable.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Yes, I remember legions of us crossing their fingers and hoping for a spell in the lower leagues.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Whilst we were making our way out of the ground yesterday, my mate got talking to some chap who said that it would have been best if we'd gone down.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Yes, I remember legions of us crossing their fingers and hoping for a spell in the lower leagues.
There were a fair few saying we deserved it on here, Paulie. And how it could do us good, a standpoint I just don't understand, rebuild by all means, but its better to do it whilst still in the Prem.
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The only positive thing that could happen is Mc Shit gets the sack or catches soe deadly incuraable desease and does villa a favour.
Give it a rest. You sound like a nose coming out with vile shit like that
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Yes, I remember legions of us crossing their fingers and hoping for a spell in the lower leagues.
There were a fair few saying we deserved it on here, Paulie. And how it could do us good, a standpoint I just don't understand, rebuild by all means, but its better to do it whilst still in the Prem.
Saying we deserved it is one thing, I remember plenty saying that, but I struggle to remember "all those people" who actually wanted us to get relegated.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Yes, I remember legions of us crossing their fingers and hoping for a spell in the lower leagues.
There were a fair few saying we deserved it on here, Paulie. And how it could do us good, a standpoint I just don't understand, rebuild by all means, but its better to do it whilst still in the Prem.
Saying we deserved it is one thing, I remember plenty saying that, but I struggle to remember "all those people" who actually wanted us to get relegated.
There was definitely a number of posters on here, and a few friends of mine, who were talking up how going down would be a good thing.
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The emergence of the kids Herd, Baker, Gardner, Lichaj, and Carruthers I think these will have a big impact for us in years to come at the Villa.
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I can remember more than one "Go down to get rid of him" comment.
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The emergence of the kids Herd, Baker, Gardner, Lichaj, and Carruthers I think these will have a big impact for us in years to come at the Villa.
I honestly think with a different manager and a different approach to the game, these kids could shine for us in the next couple of years.
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It’s been said on more than one occasion, that we some potentially great kids at the club that simply need nurturing. The game at Manure last season highlighted the potential we have given the right guidance. It’s been the only highlight of the season and given the right man in the big seat next season it gives us hope for the future.
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About the only positive is that it looks like we remain one of the seven ever-presents of the Premier League era - just. The fact that after next week I won't have Villa spoiling almost every weekend for three months is another positive.
Randy and co now need to make the decision that we all know needs to be made - and make it quick.
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I agree, just about the only positive from this season is that it'll be over very soon.
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All the people who were hoping that we would go down were wrong.
Yes, I remember legions of us crossing their fingers and hoping for a spell in the lower leagues.
There were a fair few saying we deserved it on here, Paulie. And how it could do us good, a standpoint I just don't understand, rebuild by all means, but its better to do it whilst still in the Prem.
Saying we deserved it is one thing, I remember plenty saying that, but I struggle to remember "all those people" who actually wanted us to get relegated.
Exactly I don't remember hardly anyone wanting us to go down.
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There were posters on here (funnily enough not posting much at the moment) who wanted us down just so they could say "told you so".
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There were posters on here (funnily enough not posting much at the moment) who wanted us down just so they could say "told you so".
Who? No Villa fan would ever want to see us relegated.
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There were posters on here (funnily enough not posting much at the moment) who wanted us down just so they could say "told you so".
Who? No Villa fan would ever want to see us relegated.
Even the ones who said they wanted it?
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I have to echo some of the posts on here....there is definite positive undertones to our season.
1) the Youth stepping up. For years I've heard Villa fans saying that they wanted more Youth to be given a chance. Well, mainly out of necessity granted, but McLeish played them. Herd, Wiemann, Lichaj, Clark, Baker, Carruthers, Bannan, Albrighton (less so this year), all got a chance. For me, only Herd, Wiemann and Clark emerged with any REAL credit this year.
Wiemann is a goal machine and I hope we can play him more next season - proper fox in the box at times.
2) We lost some influential players and still managed to fight tooth and nail for some draws. Okay, it wasn't pretty, but we stayed in the league with the likes of Bent, Petrov, Gabby, Dunne, out for considerable time.
3) As somebody else said (and I feel like I'm stealing their points), AML has showed a real determination and spirit against the abuse. I for one respect him for that. I draw the line at personal insults and as Villa fans, we have to look at ourselves because honestly....we're some of the worst fans in the whole 92 club setup sometimes.
4) Lerner won't want a repeat so we can be sure at least "something" will change.
I wholeheartedly agree with every word , Wiggz . I,m all for constructive criticism and ACM has has deserved a fair amount of that but the ' kicking ' he has recieved by some on these pages has gone beyond the bounds of decency , the sort
of decency he has shown throughout the season .
Re the youngster,s , I think the plan from day one has been to blood these kids and see who has got what it takes to make it in the Big Leagues because the reality is that we spend a fortune on rearing our own talent and there comes a time they have to prove their worth or move on . Take a look the EUFA 'Home Grown ' Quota rules that state...
"Each club will, at the end of every transfer window, have to name at least eight "home-grown" players in a squad of 25.
To qualify as home grown, a player will have had to be registered for at least three seasons at an English or Welsh club between the ages of 16 and 21 "
.....and then take look at at any of the teams in the Premiership and see how many Academy players are even on the bench , let alone in the first team , compared to the Villa , we are certainly ahead of the game in this aspect .
Also , the Financial 'pruning ' that has taken place , albeit painfully , will also put us in line with the new Financial Fair Play rules , hopefully ! .
It was always going to be a ' make do and mend ' transitional type of season , a gamble that came dangerously close to disaster but I sincerely believe that we will see a completely different squad next season . To sum up , let us all pray that the short term pain will lead to long term gain .................Godzvilla !
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Hopefully we'll be able to celebrate the end of Heskey as a Villa player soon. I've got the long table and bunting for a street party when that happens.
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The kids remain promising but largely unproven, thanks to the fact that Longball O'Hissyfit refused to play them, and McBluenose didn't have a clue how to deploy them amidst the carnage - they could yet provide the foundation for our future.
N'Zogbia and Ireland can probably contribute a lot more than they have to date with a half decent and properly organised team around them (that's a team that plays to their strengths, and sees venturing into your opponent's half as a virtue).
Heskey will soon be gone, and roly-poly slapstick funnyman Richard Dunce, the boozehound Collins, and other underperforming high earners who clearly don't understand that playing for Villa is supposed to be an honour, will hopefully soon be following him out of the door, dragging their sacks of ill-gotten gold behind them
All logic dictates that McBluenose is a busted flush, and will be out of the door in 7 days from now. Nothing about this man - the incompetence and ineffectiveness of his tactics, the all-pervading negativity, the refusal to even consider entertainment as a possibility, the small-time approach, the total lack of any charisma, and yes, the stench of his connection to the Small Heath Dog and Duck - merits him being given a second chance. We just need logic to prevail now
We are Aston Villa, for f#ck's sake. The Ellis years, and his inability / refusal to grasp the post-Sky Premier League-mantle, were bad enough. But the last 9 months has been an abhorration and must be wiped from the memory forthwith. We are the biggest club in the second biggest city in the country, our history is there for all to see, let's believe
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After deciding not to renew, I think I've changed my mind. Even though it seems an effort to go, I can't bring myself to stop.
So the positive is, I may renew.
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One positive - we survived just
next season I am bloody worried ...
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There were posters on here (funnily enough not posting much at the moment) who wanted us down just so they could say "told you so".
Who? No Villa fan would ever want to see us relegated.
Even the ones who said they wanted it?
Yes there were some and that is strange as I do not want the Villa to lose a game let alone get relegated for some perceived "greater good".
However having said that the miserable stats and our position in the table is very close to "I told you so" party stance.
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One positive - we survived just
next season I am bloody worried ...
enjoy the summer hoping there will be changes
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That which does not destroy us makes us stronger.
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That which does not destroy us makes us stronger.
Not true in football terms. History shows that teams that per annually struggle do end up "destroying" themselves. Wolves, Blackburn and Bolton have struggled season after season and this year their stay in PL will end. We have now had 2 years of skirmishing with relegation. Unless we make some very drastic changes to get away from bottom of PL we will struggle again next year. If our input is same again next season the output will be similar or worse.
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Hopefully the big positive will be we will start next season with paul Lambert in charge. Gaps need to be filled below with good astute signings:
Given
Lichaj ????? Collins ?????
N' Zogbia Herd ?????? Ireland
???? Bent
Are we going for a "Red arrows" formation next season?
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I got to meet a hero yesterday after the game, Sid Cowans in The Adventurers. I probably shouldn't have kept kissing him but I was rather drunk.
Singing the 12 days of Christmas song with 3 of the players in the song joining in. Ken McNaught with his hand in the air singing "five Ken McNaughts" will be etched in my memory forever, great day.
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Positives:
Clark, Herd and Weimann have taken their chance really well.
Lichaj, Baker and Gardner have shown enough to think they'll do the same over the next year.
Ireland looks like he may be capable of being the palyer we thought we were getting.
I can't think of any others, I refuse to consider staying up as a positive seeing as we should never have been in danger of going down.
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There's been a lot more "togetherness" in the squad than under the previous two managers.
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There's been a lot more "togetherness" in the squad than under the previous two managers.
I'm not sure that's a positive, it just means Mcleish is pandering to the individuals who have been disruptive in the past.
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Hopefully we'll be able to celebrate the end of Heskey as a Villa player soon. I've got the long table and bunting for a street party when that happens.
I've already got it down in my Google Calendar as "Heskey Day".
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It’s hard to not to merely echo the previous comments, but here goes anyway:
1. The emergence of the youth. My order, Herd, Clark, Baker, Licaj (It’s noticeable that the “flair” players are the ones who have done less well under McLeish).
2. 4 squad players cost anywhere between 5m and 20m depending on who does the shopping so that has to be a positive.
3. A theory has developed where Ferguson will hang on to his youth players for longer than their talent deserves because the players are integrated into the squad and know the ethos which means their value (to the club) is even greater than their market value. See Nozogbia for an example of a player who moves and struggles to repeat his previous form.
4. One season further into the cost cutting which hopefully will give us more freedom to build a new squad. With the young players that can be trusted (Herd etc) we can hopefully focus our purchases into fewer but better players.
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Yes, we`re still in the division, the board have been left in no doubt and its over.
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Positives - Just seen a flurry of "tweets" from Villa "insider" saying it's all done and dusted already and he's going at the end of the season. Load of bollox I know but I choose to believe them...it helps my mood :D
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The good news? - seats should be easier to come by at VP next season.
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Positives - Just seen a flurry of "tweets" from Villa "insider" saying it's all done and dusted already and he's going at the end of the season. Load of bollox I know but I choose to believe them...it helps my mood :D
And mine.Gotta cheer up somehow. I hope for better next season. Cannot wait for this season to finish its been painful to say the least.
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Hopefully we'll be able to celebrate the end of Heskey as a Villa player soon. I've got the long table and bunting for a street party when that happens.
I've already got it down in my Google Calendar as "Heskey Day".
author=The Man With A Stick link=topic=46975.msg2041890#msg2041890 date=1336400970]
Hopefully we'll be able to celebrate the end of Heskey as a Villa player soon. I've got the long table and bunting for a street party when that happens.
I've already got it down in my Google Calendar as "Heskey Day".
He's been excellent for the last four or five games, I'm not advocating keeping him or saying that he's been anything but very poor value overall, but credit where it's due.
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He's been excellent for the last four or five games, I'm not advocating keeping him or saying that he's been anything but very poor value overall, but credit where it's due.
It’s amazing what happens when he is not played as a winger.
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Most of the young players we've been forced to play regularly this season will be all the better for the experience. Lichaj, Baker, Clark, Herd and Weimann have all been thrown in at the deep end and have shown they can swim. Not entirely convinced about Bannan and Albrighton, and it's still too early for Gardner but that's a good return from our Academy. Steven Ireland is a quality player and has come on a bundle since Christmas and McLeish deserves credit for getting him on board. Warnock came through a rocky period and despite some miserable performances at left back he's never hidden and his commitment to the cause has never been in doubt. He's finishing the season looking a better midfielder than defender. As for McLeish himself, he's endured an extremely testing time, a section of the fans on his back from the day he walked into the club, had to sell his most influential players then had to contend with a crippling injury list and forced to blood more youngsters than he would have wanted. All things being considered, he deserves time this summer to stamp his mark on the team. The time has come for Lerner to financially back him, or sack him because a repeat next season is simply unacceptable.
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I spent less money in a season than ever before watching Aston Villa.
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Here's a positive. A HUGE positive.
We are Aston Villa and don't ever forget it!
UTV
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Hopefully the big positive will be we will start next season with paul Lambert in charge. Gaps need to be filled below with good astute signings:
Given
Lichaj ????? Collins ?????
N' Zogbia Herd ?????? Ireland
???? Bent
Would like to see Wiemman alongside bent!
Think wiemann is biggest positive of this season, he looks like an awsome player... reminds me of Bergkamp!