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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Michel Sibble on May 03, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
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Breaking on the Mail's webpage LINK (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/05/03/exclusive-video-aston-villa-players-in-birmingham-nightclub-brawl-97319-30897433/)
*hands in head emoticon*
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Damn, can't get flash on iPad.
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Now with added apologies from Delph (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/04/aston-villa-nightclub-brawl-fabian-delph-apologises-to-fans-97319-30897945/) and Herd (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/04/aston-villa-nightclub-brawl-chris-herd-s-full-apology-to-the-fans-97319-30897845/)
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Dickheads
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It's all in the 'End Of Season Awards Night' thread, but I reckon it's probably worthy of a new thread.
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(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/may2012/0/2/aston-villa-s-chris-herd-james-collins-and-fabien-delph-brawl-at-gatecrasher-birmingham-435409329.jpg)
PLUS: James Collins' (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/04/aston-villa-nightclub-brawl-james-collins-says-sorry-to-fans-97319-30897782/) apology
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Is it a coincidence that a number of Blues players got in to trouble on Broad Street after their end of season bash last year?
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Apologies are all well and good, but this sort of behaviour, after a club 'do' is unacceptable.
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I refer you to my comments on the Other Games thread:
"Modern footballers really are a bunch of c***s, aren't they" :-[
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Apologies are all well and good, but this sort of behaviour, after a club 'do' is unacceptable.
I went home quietly. Why can't they?
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Because in the vast majority of lack any sort of common sense.
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Seems those two bouncers know what to do in defence, when faced with a midfielder...
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Seems those two bouncers know what to do in defence, when faced with a midfielder...
sign them up sign them up
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Hope they carry that Fighting spirit onto the pitch.
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Collins seems a bit of a c*** , has he not been in trouble before with his behaviour and he should be mature enough not to get into this hassle like this especially with the younger players . Bad influence I am thinking.
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The majority of footballers are just knobs, a Wolves player always used to be out round Wolverhampton a few years back giving it the big I am, he made a twat of himself almost every week.
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I think we have got beyond the point where this stuff even matters.
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Disappointed most by Herd. The up-and-coming heart of the side. Collins seems to be a trouble-maker, Delph is youngest and can learn the most.
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I couldn't care less. Let's hope they show the same fight on Sunday.
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I couldn't care less. Let's hope they show the same fight on Sunday.
Let's hope they show a bit more. The three of them were restrained rather easily by that one bloke.
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Pfft, is that all they could muster in terms of a brawl.
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We don't know what caused the flare up. No excuse but something triggered it, sadly it's standard Broad St fare. It's why I avoid the place, unless i'm going to the cinema.
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Shambles.
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Just young lads out celebrating, probably looks worse than it is, although I haven't seen the video
It will no doubt get blown out of all proportion
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?Sadly, rich, young people have a tendency to act like this in nightclubs. Of course it's their fault for acting like idiots, but was it wise for the club to hold such an event with the season still going on, and with us in a relegation battle (We may look safe now, but we certainly didn't on Sunday, when the incident occurred). If the awards were held the Monday after the Norwich game then this incident would never have occurred. I'd have thought they'd be wise to potential trouble, especially after the Dunne/Collins incident last year.
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Shambles.
I said shambles, but I already don't care. Delph's trying to close the door. Herd is clearly drunk AND pissed off over something that's happened in there and Collins is meant to be a trouble maker, but it looks like he's calm and also tries to close the door. Herd's the only whose lost his head, and I imagine he had a reason to. Oh well.
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Perhaps next season, the club might consider having such an event after the last match or, not at all, if we suffer an equally shit season.
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Disappointed most by Herd. The up-and-coming heart of the side. Collins seems to be a trouble-maker, Delph is youngest and can learn the most.
No - Collins' involvement is the most disappointing - he should know better by now; the other two are young enough not to make the same mistake twice, but nobody over 30 should be getting into it with the bouncers.
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Great thread but why don;t the Bham Mail condem what,s being done to our great club may have been funny if it had been the lads kicking shit out of Mc Leish and Faukner.
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Great thread but why don;t the Bham Mail condem what,s being done to our great club may have been funny if it had been the lads kicking shit out of Mc Leish and Faukner.
Physical violence is never funny.
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It really has been a season to forget, But this is the kind of stuff we always associated the noses with. Just a shit negative season.
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Oh dear
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What a wonderful two seasons it has been.
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We don't know what caused the flare up. No excuse but something triggered it, sadly it's standard Broad St fare.
It is standard Broad St fare, but I reckon the bouncers knew who they were because anyone else would have received a good fucking kicking for that.
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Every time I read a Villa fan on Twitter demanding that they 'never ever play for the club again!!!!!' I feel this sense of relief that I've never been filmed on a night out.
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Great thread but why don;t the Bham Mail condem what,s being done to our great club may have been funny if it had been the lads kicking shit out of Mc Leish and Faukner.
No it wouldn't and are you obsessed by the way?
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Great thread but why don;t the Bham Mail condem what,s being done to our great club may have been funny if it had been the lads kicking shit out of Mc Leish and Faukner.
You know what you should do? Post more inane rubbish about the manager and board. I reckon everyone would be really interested in what you have to say. And it's Faulkner by the way.
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Damon's bang on, I know I was a complete twat up until the age of about 23 pretty much every time I went out on the town.
No idea why we're having an end of season do with two games still to play though - is there any part of our Club that's getting run properly at the moment?
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Great thread but why don;t the Bham Mail condem what,s being done to our great club may have been funny if it had been the lads kicking shit out of Mc Leish and Faukner.
You know what you should do? Post more inane rubbish about the manager and board. I reckon everyone would be really interested in what you have to say. And it's Faulkner by the way.
I just heard some applause somewhere.
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Well if nothing else, it means there's a different thread and so a reason to come to this part of the forum.
I'm gonna watch the video now!
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If this was a public event then the club should have briefed the players before on how to behave, shouldn't have let it turn into a piss up afterwards for example and should have advised the players, especially the younger ones on how to communicate with the public during the actual awards. Don't they have PR people working at the club?. Or maybe I've misunderstood and it wasn't a public event?
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Herd had clearly lost it but as far as I can make out Collins and Delph didn't do very much wrong. Difficult to make any kind of judgement really without knowing what has happened in the build up to it all going off
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Collins seems a bit of a c*** , has he not been in trouble before with his behaviour and he should be mature enough not to get into this hassle like this especially with the younger players . Bad influence I am thinking.
From what I saw Collins and Delph did very little. Herd seems to be the one causing the trouble.
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I couldn't care less. Let's hope they show the same fight on Sunday.
I agree. Gone is the age where they have to be role models. If that was the case then the FA would do something about Rooney mouthing 'useless c***' at the officials week in week out. These things happen, the Evening Mail is fucked and desperately needs to sell papers and this is why the story broke now.
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Just young lads out celebrating
Celebrating what?
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All over Sky like a rash........how come we are never mentioned unless it involves something shitty !!!
Hoping it might galvanise the team.....backs to the wall and all that !!!
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If I wasn't such a twat and totally out of control after two pints of strong lager, I would heartily condemn this sort of behaviour.
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What a pair of yobs (Delph seems to be trying to be the peacemaker), it just shows lack of disipline & respect they have for our club and the management. Collins does seem like a c*** ger rid in the summer, he's not very good anyway.
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Apologies are all well and good, but this sort of behaviour, after a club 'do' is unacceptable.
I went home quietly. Why can't they?
Because most of them think they are Charlie Big Potatoes! Can this season get any worse?
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The majority of footballers are just knobs, a Wolves player always used to be out round Wolverhampton a few years back giving it the big I am, he made a twat of himself almost every week.
That Billy Wright.. what a disgrace!
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Just young lads out celebrating
Celebrating what?
after the Awards Dinner i meant, granted thats not a lot to celebrate, so the answer to your question is
errr......... nothing
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Nice to see our players involved in an atack at least, even if it was only a door.
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just watched the video,
Big Disapointment, is that it ? a bloke kicking a door a couple of times ?
Delph is just moving about with his arms outstretched, Herd kicks the door and moans a bit and Collins is giving the 'look at me i'm hard' stare,
no wonder we are in relegation trouble if thats the beat we can do when out brawling, its rubbish, very poor,
i've seen it kick of worse when someones misses the bus
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As I said on another thread, I don't excuse any of them in this. Yes Herd is young, but he's what 22? he's old enough to know better. They should all be severely punished.
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I know it's no excuse, but, something triggered it off.
It would be interesting to see a 10 minute video prior to this incident.
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I don't think this is a big deal at all really. The article states that it was believed that none of them had been drinking, and it just looks like they've had an altercation with some bouncers which ended with Chris Herd kicking a door and telling it to fuck off.
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Do the Lulus still do the doors in town?
Maybe they provoked them.
Not condoning them mind and just sums up the modern twats footballers are. Surprised Bannan wasn't around (probably in the bogs throwing up)
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I don't really see what all of the fuss is about. This kind of thing is a regular occurence in night clubs around the country. I don't care if they're Villa players or not.
Footballers do not set the moral standard for the country. We don't know what happened in the lead up to the fracas and yes rich young footballers can be total knobs but I'd imagine that there's a few non-footballing knobs lining up to take a pop at them just because they can.
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What sort of idiot kicks a door and tells it to fuck off?............Oh me when i stub my toe,cause its a door conspiracy don't you know.
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You could understand their actions a bit more if the club was called 'Doorcrasher'.
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i blame Mcleish, even our street brawls are dull and uninspiring
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Had these have been Man U players or Chelsea players we would be going fucking raving mad on here.
Collins is a total and utter knobhead - he seems to be at the centre of any negative stuff that comes out of our club.
He needs to grow the fuck up.
The other pair are knobheads too !
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'Survival Sunday' ?
Good grief.
Wile they shouldn't really be out drinking in such a public place while we've got our backs to the wall, I can't muster any indignation.
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Walmley_Villa - Zulus are prominant in town
Can't see the problem here, another 20 something kicking off in town. Alot of us have been there, done that
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Does anyone believe for a nanosecond that they weren't pissed?
Even if they weren't, then Herd is a fucking psycho for losing it like that when totally sober. Honestly, what kind of moron tries to kick a nightclub doors in?
I also wonder if he thought for a moment about the risk of getting some form of foot-knack from trying to put it through a door.
Interesting to see that brain box Collins there again, too. He's one I'd be more than happy to see the back of in the summer. As for Delph, what a gigantic waste of money he's turned out to be.
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The only thing left for Mcliesh to do to totally repeat last season at Blues is to take us down.
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The only thing left for Mcliesh to do to totally repeat last season at Blues is to take us down.
Patience David, he's trying his best, give him another week or so
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I love this. The video shows three of our lads.
Delph - trying to calm it down and not doing much. Trying to shut the door to stop it from carrying on.
Collins - stands around, doesn't do a lot. Looks like he tries to shut the door to stop it from getting worse. He's calm and walks off without trouble.
Herd - screaming, shouting, kicking the door, causing trouble, has to be dragged away.
But everyone is blaming Collins for being a troublemaker? I know he's got in trouble before - but from what we know he really hasn't done much wrong. Honestly, I don't care. Herd was clearly angry, probably had a reason to be, oh well. I've been a ****** on enough nights out to know boys will be boys - but I'm surprised to see Collins receiving the abuse and blame.
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"boys will be boys"?
Most of us boys have managed plenty of nights out, frequently shitfaced, but have never found ourselves trying to kick our way into a club.
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"boys will be boys"?
Most of us boys have managed plenty of nights out, frequently shitfaced, but have never found ourselves trying to kick our way into a club.
Correct and it is funny how some seem to excuse Herd because he's 'young'. Not an excuse in my opinion.
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I don't really see what all of the fuss is about. This kind of thing is a regular occurence in night clubs around the country. I don't care if they're Villa players or not.
Footballers do not set the moral standard for the country. We don't know what happened in the lead up to the fracas and yes rich young footballers can be total knobs but I'd imagine that there's a few non-footballing knobs lining up to take a pop at them just because they can.
I agree that footballers do not set the moral standard for the country, but by accepting it as a regular occurance (which it is) is wrong. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable in all walks of life.
They should have been locked up.
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I love this. The video shows three of our lads.
Delph - trying to calm it down and not doing much. Trying to shut the door to stop it from carrying on.
Collins - stands around, doesn't do a lot. Looks like he tries to shut the door to stop it from getting worse. He's calm and walks off without trouble.
Herd - screaming, shouting, kicking the door, causing trouble, has to be dragged away.
But everyone is blaming Collins for being a troublemaker? I know he's got in trouble before - but from what we know he really hasn't done much wrong. Honestly, I don't care. Herd was clearly angry, probably had a reason to be, oh well. I've been a c*** on enough nights out to know boys will be boys - but I'm surprised to see Collins receiving the abuse and blame.
Boys will be boys, that's OK then. They shouldn't be in a position to get them in a situation like that - it's 2 games to go until end of the season, is this what we want to see while we are in a relegation battle? They are a bunch of idiots and should be aware of the reaction if they got into trouble going out, due to the fact they are Premier League footballers.
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As for Delph, what a gigantic waste of money he's turned out to be.
Yep, absolutely terrible waste of £8m. Fairly hopeless when he does play the odd match, in between his interminable injury lay-offs.
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I recon there's worse to come regarding this night out. Apparently they all got a taxi later to Dudley and were last seen walking towards the zoo.
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To go and drink on Broad Street, you've got to be a bit of a twat, and anyone who causes trouble for no reaeon (pissed or otherwise) is a twat, so a double whammy for these guys.
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Blues did exactly the same last season before they lost at home to Fulham, so it doesn't bode well for Sunday's match.
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Herd's an Aussie for f%*k sake thats normal and mild behaviour for an Aussie.
As long as he shows the same agression against Vand der Vart, Modric, etc then I will happily forgive him.
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Am I the only one who doesnt really care about this incident? I think its blown out of proportion.
Just watch, come sunday when we lose againast the spuds, these 3 will be blamed when clearly, it has been everyones faults they are in this mess.
Ok, so they shouldnt have been out until 2.45am but they had the day off the next day. Dont forget, these guys train everyday so can expect a day off to let their hair down. Im not saying what Herd did was right as it wasn't but for people to start questioning them for being out on a monday night (6 days before a game) is just crazy. And to start laying into Collins is a bit harsh too.
Thats just my opinion.
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so, Herd, a professional footballer, is seen kicking fuck out of a door (or something). He appears to be out of control.
What if he broke a toe or foot, what if he had put his foot through a glass door and gashed himself ?
For me, had he injured himself and jeopordised his place in the team, it would have served the twat right !!
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As for Delph, what a gigantic waste of money he's turned out to be.
Yep, absolutely terrible waste of £8m. Fairly hopeless when he does play the odd match, in between his interminable injury lay-offs.
He's probably the worst timer of a tackle i've ever seen.
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"boys will be boys"?
Most of us boys have managed plenty of nights out, frequently shitfaced, but have never found ourselves trying to kick our way into a club.
And some haven't. Herd said something happened inside that was handled badly and it all kicked off. So he was a drunken lad with his mates who got pissed off. I've had friends get kicked out of places for dozens of reasons, I've had friends get into fights for dozens of reasons. It happens. We have no idea what happened in there to start it.
I love this. The video shows three of our lads.
Delph - trying to calm it down and not doing much. Trying to shut the door to stop it from carrying on.
Collins - stands around, doesn't do a lot. Looks like he tries to shut the door to stop it from getting worse. He's calm and walks off without trouble.
Herd - screaming, shouting, kicking the door, causing trouble, has to be dragged away.
But everyone is blaming Collins for being a troublemaker? I know he's got in trouble before - but from what we know he really hasn't done much wrong. Honestly, I don't care. Herd was clearly angry, probably had a reason to be, oh well. I've been a c*** on enough nights out to know boys will be boys - but I'm surprised to see Collins receiving the abuse and blame.
Boys will be boys, that's OK then. They shouldn't be in a position to get them in a situation like that - it's 2 games to go until end of the season, is this what we want to see while we are in a relegation battle? They are a bunch of idiots and should be aware of the reaction if they got into trouble going out, due to the fact they are Premier League footballers.
No, they shouldn't be in that position. Maybe the club shouldn't put an award celebration night at such a crucial stage.
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Kiwis
Herd's an Aussie for f%*k sake thats normal and mild behaviour for an Aussie.
Herd's an Aussie for f%*k sake thats normal and mild behaviour for an Aussie.
As long as he shows the same agression against Vand der Vart, Modric, etc then I will happily forgive him.
Herd's an Aussie for f%*k sake thats normal and mild behaviour for an Aussie.
As long as he shows the same agression against Vand der Vart, Modric, etc then I will happily forgive him.
As long as he shows the same agression against Vand der Vart, Modric, etc then I will happily forgive him.
Unless you're an expat Brummie: Aussies, Kiwis "same diff" mate.
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Apologies double post...
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Herd's an Aussie for f%*k sake thats normal and mild behaviour for an Aussie.
As long as he shows the same agression against Vand der Vart, Modric, etc then I will happily forgive him.
Probably be sent off ;)
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"boys will be boys"?
Most of us boys have managed plenty of nights out, frequently shitfaced, but have never found ourselves trying to kick our way into a club.
And some haven't. Herd said something happened inside that was handled badly and it all kicked off. So he was a drunken lad with his mates who got pissed off. I've had friends get kicked out of places for dozens of reasons, I've had friends get into fights for dozens of reasons. It happens. We have no idea what happened in there to start it.
I love this. The video shows three of our lads.
Delph - trying to calm it down and not doing much. Trying to shut the door to stop it from carrying on.
Collins - stands around, doesn't do a lot. Looks like he tries to shut the door to stop it from getting worse. He's calm and walks off without trouble.
Herd - screaming, shouting, kicking the door, causing trouble, has to be dragged away.
But everyone is blaming Collins for being a troublemaker? I know he's got in trouble before - but from what we know he really hasn't done much wrong. Honestly, I don't care. Herd was clearly angry, probably had a reason to be, oh well. I've been a c*** on enough nights out to know boys will be boys - but I'm surprised to see Collins receiving the abuse and blame.
Boys will be boys, that's OK then. They shouldn't be in a position to get them in a situation like that - it's 2 games to go until end of the season, is this what we want to see while we are in a relegation battle? They are a bunch of idiots and should be aware of the reaction if they got into trouble going out, due to the fact they are Premier League footballers.
No, they shouldn't be in that position. Maybe the club shouldn't put an award celebration night at such a crucial stage.
I'm entirely aware that blokes get pissed up and do stupid things. What I'm not convinced on is how that makes what they do any more acceptable.
I'm not entirely sure what the acceptable chain of events would be inside the club for him to be trying to kick the door in shortly after.
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I've got video footage of Collins and Herd earlier in the night where they are playing chess whilst Fabian Delph stands in the background reciting 'La Bella Donna Della Mia Mente'.
I think I might send it to the Mail.
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This just reinforces my decision to walk away from football last year after being a season ticket holder for many years. I now follow Moseley home and away and it's one of the best things I've ever done.
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Massive massive overreaction in my opinion. Don't see what's wrong with players having a few drinks on a night out. Nobody knows what happened inside the club, so why have a go at Herd? Yes, he's lost his temper, but it's only the media that makes it reflect badly on the club. If you don't take it to heart, then you'll soon see this stuff just happens - he is human.
I like to see it as a good thing - at least he's got aggression.
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This just reinforces my decision to walk away from football last year after being a season ticket holder for many years. I now follow Moseley home and away and it's one of the best things I've ever done.
What do Moseley play?
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Herd out injured with a broken toe is he?
Shakes head in despair!
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It's the most exciting thing that the team have been involved in all season.
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If I wasn't such a twat and totally out of control after two pints of strong lager, I would heartily condemn this sort of behaviour.
Be honest, the two pints of strong lager don't make much of a difference do they?
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Massive massive overreaction in my opinion. Don't see what's wrong with players having a few drinks on a night out. Nobody knows what happened inside the club, so why have a go at Herd? Yes, he's lost his temper, but it's only the media that makes it reflect badly on the club. If you don't take it to heart, then you'll soon see this stuff just happens - he is human.
I like to see it as a good thing - at least he's got aggression.
Yes, but that's the issue - it's now all over the TV / press, not showing the Villa in a good light is it? It doesn't matter what went on, the media made a story out of it (whether you agree or dis-agree with how they reported it), the outcome is it's not helping us one bit.
PS all this crap about Herd showing agression so he can do it vs Spurs...what? Is this the 1970's? Since when does agression make a top quality footballer? Football has moved past this 'get stuck in lads, give them a few kicks' attitude...?
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I now follow Moseley home and away
I assumed he was dead, but if what you say is true, we'd rather you went elsewhere, racism has no place on this site.
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I thought this was an odd comment from Collins
"I know I should not have been out in a club with my wife.''
Why did he have to mention his wife?
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Massive massive overreaction in my opinion. Don't see what's wrong with players having a few drinks on a night out. Nobody knows what happened inside the club, so why have a go at Herd? Yes, he's lost his temper, but it's only the media that makes it reflect badly on the club. If you don't take it to heart, then you'll soon see this stuff just happens - he is human.
I like to see it as a good thing - at least he's got aggression.
Yes, but that's the issue - it's now all over the TV / press, not showing the Villa in a good light is it? It doesn't matter what went on, the media made a story out of it (whether you agree or dis-agree with how they reported it), the outcome is it's not helping us one bit.
PS all this crap about Herd showing agression so he can do it vs Spurs...what? Is this the 1970's? Since when does agression make a top quality footballer? Football has moved past this 'get stuck in lads, give them a few kicks' attitude...?
So? What difference does that make to anyone? Getting dragged into the media hype is ridiculous.
Football has moved past kicking people up in the air, yes, a long time ago. But it hasn't moved past getting stuck in. I made the comment at the end reasonably light heartedly... Herd shows aggression anyway IMO.
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Three lads go out after a works party and get into a ruck with the bouncers of a local nightclub. This hardly ever happens. If they weren't footballers it would be a non-story
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Does anyone know if the night club door is still in contract?
I think it could do a pretty good job in our defence.
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Apparently the door told Herd that Mcleish is getting another 12 months in charge....!
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I thought this was an odd comment from Collins
"I know I should not have been out in a club with my wife.''
Why did he have to mention his wife?
To soften peoples opinions of him I reckon.
It's often the case that these instances are followed by notable performances. Could it be that Collins does what has thus far appeared implausible and direct a header towards (and if we're really lucky into) the Spurs net from a corner this weekend?
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Does anyone know how the trouble started? I assume somebody asked them why they've been so shit all season.
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Does anyone know how the trouble started? I assume somebody asked them why they've been so shit all season.
Could be anything. I imagine footallers are always magnets for people looking to cause trouble when they're out, owing to the perception of them being rich, flash and thinking that they own the place. They're obviously free to go where they like in their time off, but really, is it worth risking a multi-million pound career by going out clubbing? Most footballers careers last 10 years between the ages of say 23 and 33, would it honestly be a huge chore to avoid places like clubs for ten years in exchange for £50K a week?
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
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Does anyone know how the trouble started? I assume somebody asked them why they've been so shit all season.
Could be anything. I imagine footallers are always magnets for people looking to cause trouble when they're out, owing to the perception of them being rich, flash and thinking that they own the place. They're obviously free to go where they like in their time off, but really, is it worth risking a multi-million pound career by going out clubbing? Most footballers careers last 10 years between the ages of say 23 and 33, would it honestly be a huge chore to avoid places like clubs for ten years in exchange for £50K a week?
I'd gladly avoid Broad Street for a lot less than that.
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Herd deserves a second chance and I accept Delph's mitigating circumstances (though going out at all at this stage is a bit of a problem really - how focused could they be for training the next day?). Collins, however, can fuck right off out of the club. It's far from the first incident involving this meathead of a man. He clearly lives as he plays - brainlessly, winging it, letting his aggression getting him in trouble. He's not really good enough as a player, he's a bad role model for the kids - he can fuck off.
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
Otherwise known as having no positional sense, no distribution and a tendency to dive in. So, a committed but thoroughly flawed defender, an unprofessional human stain and a bad role model for our young players. He can go.
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The question has to be who is responsible for organising the end of season awards at such a crucial time in the season?
The awards should never have taken place (as Given said in his radio interview). You'd think McLeish would learn from last year with Blues after their end of season "awards" altercation (although he seems hell bent on repeating everything he did last season sadly without the League Cup win unfortunately).
Something like this is inevitable so I don't really blame the players - mix players, night club, doormen, rival fans? women? and you've got the inevitable cack cocktail.
Whoever organised the event should be fined as well. Maybe Gabby is the brightest one after all? It shows a certain degree of intelligence to not even turn up at the farce of an awards ceremony.
Roll on the end of the season - FFS
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
Otherwise known as having no positional sense, no distribution and a tendency to dive in. So, a committed but thoroughly flawed defender, an unprofessional human stain and a bad role model for our young players. He can go.
See what you want to see. Herd is the guy kicking off, I don't see Collins goading anyone or egging him on.
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Whats Collins actually done wrong in this brawl, fracas or whatever you want to call it? Too much stick aimed at him for just being there. Would any of you lot have been this abusive to these players if they went out and didnt get into this over hyped issue? I guess not. A bit of negative press and all sorts of tosh comes out of peoples mouths.
The guys have apologised, been disciplined and payed money to the leaukemia charities. Time to move on folks. bigger things to be concerned about like premiership survival.
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
Otherwise known as having no positional sense, no distribution and a tendency to dive in. So, a committed but thoroughly flawed defender, an unprofessional human stain and a bad role model for our young players. He can go.
See what you want to see. Herd is the guy kicking off, I don't see Collins goading anyone or egging him on.
If he'd done nothing wrong why would he be apologising so unreservedly? Delph mentioned his mitigating circumstances, wouldn't Collins? Besides, look at the very beginning of the video, looks very much like Collins having a go. He's held back after that. Herd was the one caught on camera kicking off the most, but Collins was involved in that as well, almost certain of it.
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If he'd done nothing wrong why would he be apologising so unreservedly? Delph mentioned his mitigating circumstances, wouldn't Collins?
Because he realised that since he was there that he needs to take responsibility and that offering excuses wouldn't do any good?
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Massive massive overreaction in my opinion. Don't see what's wrong with players having a few drinks on a night out. Nobody knows what happened inside the club, so why have a go at Herd? Yes, he's lost his temper, but it's only the media that makes it reflect badly on the club. If you don't take it to heart, then you'll soon see this stuff just happens - he is human.
I like to see it as a good thing - at least he's got aggression.
Yes, but that's the issue - it's now all over the TV / press, not showing the Villa in a good light is it? It doesn't matter what went on, the media made a story out of it (whether you agree or dis-agree with how they reported it), the outcome is it's not helping us one bit.
PS all this crap about Herd showing agression so he can do it vs Spurs...what? Is this the 1970's? Since when does agression make a top quality footballer? Football has moved past this 'get stuck in lads, give them a few kicks' attitude...?
So? What difference does that make to anyone? Getting dragged into the media hype is ridiculous.
Football has moved past kicking people up in the air, yes, a long time ago. But it hasn't moved past getting stuck in. I made the comment at the end reasonably light heartedly... Herd shows aggression anyway IMO.
Re media, yes, but it's happened now the club have to deal with the fallout.
I'd rather players at Villa had skill, drive, passion and ability otherwise we'd have likes of David Speedie, Vinne Jones and Francis Benali.
These are grown men and have to be responsible for their actions.
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If he'd done nothing wrong why would he be apologising so unreservedly? Delph mentioned his mitigating circumstances, wouldn't Collins?
Because he realised that since he was there that he needs to take responsibility and that offering excuses wouldn't do any good?
Well I presume these statements were vetted thoroughly by the club. Delph's excuses were given along with an apology for just being there, why shouldn't Collins say something along the lines of "though I wasn't involved in any physicality, I feel I should take responsibility as a senior player blah blah blah"? It would have been very easy.
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The one potential downside to getting a new manager is that Collins, Warnock, Dunne and co will be issued with another clean slate. To add to the collection. I know the latter two weren't involved in this particular incident, but they are a symptom of everything that has been wrong with the club since 2010 onwards.
Both had decent first seasons, but at any other similar sized club they'd have been bombed out long before now.
Not that I'm advocating sticking with Big Eck just for the benefit of seeing them moved on. In a 'lesser-of-two-evils' type of way, I think we can just about endure another 12 months of them on the books (though hopefully not in the first XI all that much) if the trade off is we have a more competent manager. In the case of Warnock and Dunne, I think that will take them up to the end of their contracts anyroad.
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All this angst and it's clearly just a misunderstanding caused by the name of the venue.
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What sort of idiot kicks a door and tells it to fuck off?
Jim Morrisons wife?
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It’s a bit embarrassing, going at a door like Johnny Ten Men, but I cannot get worked up over this as some have.
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Whether we were top or bottom, the players would still have gone out for a drink and Herd would still have kicked off.
I have been in Mechu when Custard Pants was getting tanked up and we were sitting 3rd in the table. Was that symptomatic of our success?
It seems all a bit please somebody think of the children. Or have I missed something here?
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The door hinges seem a bit tight, wants a bit of WD40 on it.
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
Otherwise known as having no positional sense, no distribution and a tendency to dive in. So, a committed but thoroughly flawed defender, an unprofessional human stain and a bad role model for our young players. He can go.
See what you want to see. Herd is the guy kicking off, I don't see Collins goading anyone or egging him on.
Video seems to show Herd is the main protaganist, silly young man when there is so much at stake in the next two matches.
Why are they out at 2:45 in the morning anyway
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Whether we were top or bottom, the players would still have gone out for a drink and Herd would still have kicked off.
I have been in Mechu when Custard Pants was getting tanked up and we were sitting 3rd in the table. Was that symptomatic of our success?
It seems all a bit please somebody think of the children. Or have I missed something here?
I don't think it's symptomatic, it's just more bad news and publicity that we don't need, when we've had nothing else but bad news all season.
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
How about if somebody in the club had just groped your Mrs? (Not saying that happened btw, just an example)
None of us know what went on in the club, but something has for Herd to be reacting like that.
Nights out can sometimes take a turn for the worse, I think we have all been there when they have. People react differently, and we are all human.
Whether they should be out at all though is a different matter.
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
How about if somebody in the club had just groped your Mrs? (Not saying that happened btw, just an example)
Yes, the logical course of action in that situation would be to try to kick in the club's doors.
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Whether we were top or bottom, the players would still have gone out for a drink and Herd would still have kicked off.
I have been in Mechu when Custard Pants was getting tanked up and we were sitting 3rd in the table. Was that symptomatic of our success?
It seems all a bit please somebody think of the children. Or have I missed something here?
I don't think it's symptomatic, it's just more bad news and publicity that we don't need, when we've had nothing else but bad news all season.
True.
And it is also possible to think that this is the last thing we need right now, and something you'd prefer not to have happened, without thinking it is the end of the world / they should all be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit / it is symptomatic of not replacing Ashley Young / whatever over the top nonsense you fancy.
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Much ado about nothing.
Next!
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
True but you're probably not earning £10k, £30k or £50k per week now are you? Im sure they would put up with their fella's making dicks of themselves if they were getting a share of that sort of money
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Much ado about nothing.
Next!
THIS x10
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They're fucking stupid. What do we expect?
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I will struggle to muster up requisite levels of indignation, promise.
On an anatomical point (not directed at any particularly muckraking rag), how would it require Herd's shirt to be open to his his chest to reveal a tattooo on his neck?
On a moronical point (directed specifically at the Mail), how would the detail of this tattoo upon above-mentioned Association Footballer's neck mark him out as an obvious troublemaker in an age where every second cnut over twenty has a tattoo on his neck?
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To me it just looks like now they are trying to divert the pressure away from Eck and blame the players for a crap season especially if they lose against the spuds
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Whether we were top or bottom, the players would still have gone out for a drink and Herd would still have kicked off.
I have been in Mechu when Custard Pants was getting tanked up and we were sitting 3rd in the table. Was that symptomatic of our success?
It seems all a bit please somebody think of the children. Or have I missed something here?
I don't think it's symptomatic, it's just more bad news and publicity that we don't need, when we've had nothing else but bad news all season.
True.
And it is also possible to think that this is the last thing we need right now, and something you'd prefer not to have happened, without thinking it is the end of the world / they should all be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit / it is symptomatic of not replacing Ashley Young / whatever over the top nonsense you fancy.
It's the cherry on top of a shit filled season.
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Whether we were top or bottom, the players would still have gone out for a drink and Herd would still have kicked off.
I have been in Mechu when Custard Pants was getting tanked up and we were sitting 3rd in the table. Was that symptomatic of our success?
It seems all a bit please somebody think of the children. Or have I missed something here?
I don't think it's symptomatic, it's just more bad news and publicity that we don't need, when we've had nothing else but bad news all season.
True.
And it is also possible to think that this is the last thing we need right now, and something you'd prefer not to have happened, without thinking it is the end of the world / they should all be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit / it is symptomatic of not replacing Ashley Young / whatever over the top nonsense you fancy.
It's the cherry on top of a shit filled season.
I think the Cherry on the top would be if they announced Mcleish would be staying on as manager next season
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Don't even jest about that....
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Maybe I am missing something here, but can anybody explain how this is symptomatic of our decline?
Collins and the Dunner didn't see owt wrong with getting hammered at a club get together last season and launching a genuine legend (Sid) over a table at that health spar. They have also been spotted at various times up the city centre smoking and drinking. Now, Collins is involved once again in an incident that creates negative headlines for the club.
Personally I've always been of the opinion that if you're a good enough player you might be able to get away with taking the piss every now and then. Collins isn't though.
I can't think of another club of our size (Everton, Tottenham etc) where such bad behavior over an extended period of time would be tolerated. Not in todays game, where for the money they receive fitness and conditioning should be the priority. Duncan Disorderly at Everton and even God for us should really be relics from a bygone age.
It's nothing to do with suggesting players should be role models, think of the children or any other bobbins. But it does seem to underline once more that we have a number of pisstakers on the books happy just to coast, pick up their wages and offer very little in return. That -to me- is the concern.
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
How about if somebody in the club had just groped your Mrs? (Not saying that happened btw, just an example)
Yes, the logical course of action in that situation would be to try to kick in the club's doors.
Well I didn't say that, did I. Although by misquoting me, it looks like I did. 1-0 to you
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
How about if somebody in the club had just groped your Mrs? (Not saying that happened btw, just an example)
Yes, the logical course of action in that situation would be to try to kick in the club's doors.
Well I didn't say that, did I. Although by misquoting me, it looks like I did. 1-0 to you
How have I misquoted you, exactly?
Your argument was that we don't know what went on inside the club, maybe something caused him to be like that, and raised someone having groped his Mrs as a hypothetical situation.
My point is that regardless of whether that had happened, and regardless how angry he was, in what way does that excuse them attempting to kick the doors of the club in? It doesn't.
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Maybe the groper was John Doory.
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Shameful and in collins case this should be the final straw after last seasons drinking- get rid !
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Shameful and in collins case this should be the final straw after last seasons drinking- get rid !
From what I saw - and it’s a bit patchy - Collins did not do anything.
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Can't James Collins just go away? Is there anything good about him at all?
He puts his body on the line and is a committed defender. So yeah..
Otherwise known as having no positional sense, no distribution and a tendency to dive in. So, a committed but thoroughly flawed defender, an unprofessional human stain and a bad role model for our young players. He can go.
See what you want to see. Herd is the guy kicking off, I don't see Collins goading anyone or egging him on.
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God! Just imagine the shit Collins would be getting if it was him kicking the door in and not Herd.
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As far as Collins and Delph are concerned it appears they did nothing apart from trying to stop a drunken Herd getting back in the club. Indeed it is to their credit that they were trying to stop him going back in and causing further trouble.Thats happened twice now to Delph he tried to stop Dunne and Collins verbally and physically abusing Gordon Cowans. I suppose the bouncers had to intervene because they are paid to do so.
I think Collins and Delph are totally innocent and the club should refund whatever fine they have imposed.
Herd is a disgrace and should be dropped for Sundays match. But will Lerner/Faulkner/McCleish have the guts to do it? We shall see.
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If collins is innocent why has he apologised?
No doubt herd and collins should be dropped on sunday and i wouldnt mind if all 3 were sold in the summer.
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If collins is innocent why has he apologised?
No doubt herd and collins should be dropped on sunday and i wouldnt mind if all 3 were sold in the summer.
He probably hasnt. The clubs PR mafia no doubt decided it looks better for the club in print that way!
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Apparently out with their wives and girlfriends, cant say mine would put up with me for much longer if i acted like that on a night out with her.
How about if somebody in the club had just groped your Mrs? (Not saying that happened btw, just an example)
Yes, the logical course of action in that situation would be to try to kick in the club's doors.
Well I didn't say that, did I. Although by misquoting me, it looks like I did. 1-0 to you
How have I misquoted you, exactly?
Your argument was that we don't know what went on inside the club, maybe something caused him to be like that, and raised someone having groped his Mrs as a hypothetical situation.
My point is that regardless of whether that had happened, and regardless how angry he was, in what way does that excuse them attempting to kick the doors of the club in? It doesn't.
Well you chose one line from my post and used it to try to make a tit of me. Ignoring my actual point, which if I wasn't clear, was that situations can escalate to that level of annoyance from something like my example. I'm not excusing it either, I'm just saying that it happens and people do things on nights out that in the cold light of day they regret.
I also suggested that it wasn't a great idea for them to be out at all.
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If collins is innocent why has he apologised?
Probably because he was told to. If he was really smart he should have just walked off and therefore avoided this mess. Whereas he stayed and tried to restrain Herd i.e. help a team mate.
I’m not saying he is a saint but to chastise the bloke based on what is on that video is a bit harsh in my opinion.
(As a footballer on the other hand...)
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If collins is innocent why has he apologised?
No doubt herd and collins should be dropped on sunday and i wouldnt mind if all 3 were sold in the summer.
Why wouldnt he apologise? at the end of the day he was at the scene where it happened. Are you assuming he is guilty of something? It would look very stupid if it was just herd who apologised and not the other 2.
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Herd is a disgrace and should be dropped for Sundays match. But will Lerner/Faulkner/McCleish have the guts to do it? We shall see.
It all runs in the family you know. His great grandmother Thora was the same following the Songs of Praise after show party in 1986.
I know, I know.
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Herd is a disgrace and should be dropped for Sundays match. But will Lerner/Faulkner/McCleish have the guts to do it? We shall see.
It all runs in the family you know. His great grandmother Thora was the same following the Songs of Praise after show party in 1986.
I know, I know.
Chortle chortle!
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If collins is innocent why has he apologised?
No doubt herd and collins should be dropped on sunday and i wouldnt mind if all 3 were sold in the summer.
Why should we sell Herd who's been one of our better players this season just because he's been stupidy naive?
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Didn't she drink the last of the summer wine ?
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"It happens at even the top clubs." A.McLeech.
Alex, you are a slur on our club, now just fuck off!
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/20876/7730367/McLeish-slams-Villa-trio
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Leading article on BBC football page now. Well done chaps.
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"It happens at even the top clubs." A.McLeech.
Alex, you are a slur on our club, now just fuck off!
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/20876/7730367/McLeish-slams-Villa-trio
Ouch “even at the top clubs". Another nail in his coffin.
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Its not the end of the world and McLeish seems to have handled it sensibly.
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If Herd, Collins and Delph were trying to give Mcleish a kicking. Fairplay. But not on Broad street !!!!!!
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All 3 players should not have been out at that time nightclubbing in any case- just seen mcleish saying no way will he tolerate this and rightly so- the players are an embarrassment and an apology is the least they should give for once more dragging the clubs name into the media for bad publicity- the likes of clough, ferguson, saunders would have soon got rid .
These players are a disgrace and embarrassment to aston villa and it amazes me some fans seem to see nothing wrong- shameful!
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Herd is a disgrace and should be dropped for Sundays match. But will Lerner/Faulkner/McCleish have the guts to do it? We shall see.
It all runs in the family you know. His great grandmother Thora was the same following the Songs of Praise after show party in 1986.
I know, I know.
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I went on News Now last night and read about this. I also read the following headline:
Spanish manager will wait for Villa
I got a boner thinking it was Guardiola just biding his time waiting for the axe to fall on Alex.
Then I fucking woke from my Chris Herd level alcohol intake.
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Ah yes I remember it well. She scrapped with that lot from Last of The Summer Wine....after drinking six bottles of it.
I know, I know.
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the likes of clough, ferguson, saunders would have soon got rid
I'm not sure this is at all true, Rooney was docked a few quid only this season for being pissed up at training wasn't he? Players under the other two probably behaved exactly the same way but there were no camera phones and Facebook to publicise it to us all.
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All 3 players should not have been out at that time nightclubbing in any case- just seen mcleish saying no way will he tolerate this and rightly so- the players are an embarrassment and an apology is the least they should give for once more dragging the clubs name into the media for bad publicity- the likes of clough, ferguson, saunders would have soon got rid .
These players are a disgrace and embarrassment to aston villa and it amazes me some fans seem to see nothing wrong- shameful!
Rooney is still at Man U and there’s videos of him pissing in the street at X in the morning.
In the apologies, Delph has said that he was sober and was just trying to calm things down.
It’s not a good situation, but say players can’t go out after X at night is a bit harsh.
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It's all a bit embarrassing (i'm sure Herd is cringing just watching the video) and they've let the club down but it's happened and it's been dealt with.
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Just seen McLeish has said they are a "slur on the club". Not condoning the players in any way but have to agree with what someone said earlier. McLeish you are a "slur on our club" now F*ck *ff out off Aston once and for all. I would love to hear his opinion of this seasons tenure under him. Oh no I remember now, we have had all the lame excuses that it is everybodys fault bar his.
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Just seen McLeish has said they are a "slur on the club". Not condoning the players in any way but have to agree with what someone said earlier. McLeish you are a "slur on our club" now F*ck *ff out off Aston once and for all. I would love to hear his opinion of this seasons tenure under him. Oh no I remember now, we have had all the lame excuses that it is everybodys fault bar his.
Yay! another bashing Alex McLeish thread.
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
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Rare as it is, I'd defend the manager on this. What else is he expected to say, "well fuckin' done lads?".
Slagging him off for everything and anything only serves to weaken the argument against his inpet mangement and negative approach. It just becomes personal, which is what the press would love, vindicating their cock-eyed stance on our initial opposition.
There has been so much to criticise the club on, but in this case, from what I've seen, they've dealt with it quickly and effectively.
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Just seen McLeish has said they are a "slur on the club". Not condoning the players in any way but have to agree with what someone said earlier. McLeish you are a "slur on our club" now F*ck *ff out off Aston once and for all. I would love to hear his opinion of this seasons tenure under him. Oh no I remember now, we have had all the lame excuses that it is everybodys fault bar his.
Regarding this incident, what exactly did you want him to say?
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Not really. Can you not see the difference between being crap at your job and getting pissed and starting a fight?
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Just seen McLeish has said they are a "slur on the club". Not condoning the players in any way but have to agree with what someone said earlier. McLeish you are a "slur on our club" now F*ck *ff out off Aston once and for all. I would love to hear his opinion of this seasons tenure under him. Oh no I remember now, we have had all the lame excuses that it is everybodys fault bar his.
Regarding this incident, what exactly did you want him to say?
Something along the lines of "The incident has been dealt with internally and the players have been fined with the proceeds going to charity".
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Wasn't Delph involved in last years fracas?
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Not really. Can you not see the difference between being crap at your job and getting pissed and starting a fight?
My comments are in reference to his comment. His tenure has been an almighty slur on the footballing traditions of Aston Villa F.C.
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Rare as it is, I'd defend the manager on this. What else is he expected to say, "well fuckin' done lads?".
Slagging him off for everything and anything only serves to weaken the argument against his inpet mangement and negative approach. It just becomes personal, which is what the press would love, vindicating their cock-eyed stance on our initial opposition.
There has been so much to criticise the club on, but in this case, from what I've seen, they've dealt with it quickly and effectively.
I agree the club in my eyes have dealt with this as well as they could have.
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Wasn't Delph involved in last years fracas?
I believe so. And in both instances he has been credited as - at least trying to be - the peace maker.
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You can't really fault McLeish's comments there. It had nothing to do with him, so he's fined them and moved on. Fair enough.
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I might have known it would all be McLeish's fault...
You see this sort of thing every night on Broad Street I'd imagine but that doesn't excuse them being utter idiots for putting themselves in that sort of situation in the first place. Doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know about modern footballers though.
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You can't really fault McLeish's comments there. It had nothing to do with him, so he's fined them and moved on. Fair enough.
Yep I want Mcleish out, but he hasn't done anything wrong here.
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Yes he has.
Saying it happens even at the big clubs.
I didn't realise we were a little club.
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It was'nt exactly a brawl, more like a very pissed up chap trying to get into a club.
Herd dose'nt come out of it very well obviously and i'm not sure what the other two have meant to have done other than just being there. It's not exactly a sacking offence but not good all the same.
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Yes he has.
Saying it happens even at the big clubs.
I didn't realise we were a little club.
He's saying this happens at the big clubs. It's happened at Villa. How does that imply we're a little club?
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The way it's quoted above reads otherwise to me.
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Is it not bleeding possible in one fucking thread not to bash the bloke? This has nothing at all to do with him. He has said exactly the right thing, and it is what all of us are thinking. If you want to beat the bloke up, and we've pretty much all had a go recently then there are 500 other threads to do it.
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Two things:
This has been happening since time began, young adults pissed up and regretting their actions the following day. It's just in todays age we have the technology so you are forever in shame.
This has nothing to do with the boss. If I go out tonight and cause a scene, I am accountable not my boss.
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Ian Taylor was just on WM saying in his day he would have them up against the wall for pulling a stunt like that.
Its a shame those days no longer exist, cant see anyone in the current squad taking that approach.
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Ian Taylor was just on WM saying in his day he would have them up against the wall for pulling a stunt like that.
Its a shame those days no longer exist, cant see anyone in the current squad taking that approach.
He must have give Lee Hendrie a few kickings then.
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I love how everyone is in a competition with each other to see who can be morally outraged about this. Its not like last seasons disgrace where Collins and Dunne should have been sacked on the spot for their behaviour. It's just a couple of stupid drunk guys shouting at a door. Christ, I've shouted at a door whilst sober, usually after we've lost.
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Yeah I've got to admit I tell doors to fuck off when I've stubbed my toe.
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Collins has previous. He's also 30 years old, and old pro, an international captain. He's also shite and a waste of space. Get rid.
Herd. Smacky bum time.
Delph. As above, though I'd get rid because he's shite.
This is the bloody last thing we needed to happen before going into the penultimate wknd of the season, staring relegation in the mug. None of those players should have been out clubbing. It's a disgrace and a mockery. No it's not McLeishs fault, but it's symptomatic of his leaderships. Some players who couldn't get by under Houlliers strict regime, are having an easy time of it and loving it seemingly. I think he's too easy on them and it's in part why most of the players seem to like him.
What a chuffing mess.
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The players have been fined and have apologised. The club should have played it down and moved on. As it is, the comments have possibly magnified what has happened to the point that a simple fine doesn't match the reaction. If they have disgraced the club they should be sold. If the club feel that this would be too harsh, they should have tempered their comments accordingly.
The club should have made a statement saying that they were disappointed with the behaviour of the players, they have been fined and been warned about any future similar behaviour.
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The players have been fined and have apologised. The club should have played it down and moved on. As it is, the comments have possibly magnified what has happened to the point that a simple fine doesn't match the reaction. If they have disgraced the club they should be sold. If the club feel that this would be too harsh, they should have tempered their comments accordingly.
The club should have made a statement saying that they were disappointed with the behaviour of the players, they have been fined and been warned about any future similar behaviour.
I agree with that. Stuff like them being 'a slur on the club' is a bit strong. Besides, if they felt so strongly about it why are Dunne and Collins still here after their behaviour last season which was much worse? No one was hurt and no crime was committed. All that has happened is that someone has shouted at and kicked a door. We don't even know why he did that.
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This is the bloody last thing we needed to happen before going into the penultimate wknd of the season, staring relegation in the mug. None of those players should have been out clubbing. It's a disgrace and a mockery. No it's not McLeishs fault, but it's symptomatic of his leaderships. Some players who couldn't get by under Houlliers strict regime, are having an easy time of it and loving it seemingly. I think he's too easy on them and it's in part why most of the players seem to like him.
What a chuffing mess.
I am with this. Poor. Disrespected management. My company and I would fire the lot. Gone. Message given.
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I think it's all an over reaction, especially as I've had first hand experience of those cocky bouncers at Gatecrasher.
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Yeah I've got to admit I tell doors to fuck off when I've stubbed my toe.
I once told a wall it was a fence and then legged it. Stupid bloody wall.
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Is it not bleeding possible in one fucking thread not to bash the bloke? This has nothing at all to do with him. He has said exactly the right thing, and it is what all of us are thinking. If you want to beat the bloke up, and we've pretty much all had a go recently then there are 500 other threads to do it.
My last say on this then. 1/ His comment has everything to do with him. 2/ As I said earlier his comment could have been "It has been dealt with internally, the players fined and the money donated to charity". 3/ Not everyone is thinking like you as I for one am not.
The players are bang out of order and have embarressed themselves and the club. Apologies have been made and hopefully we can all move on. If the club decided to move the players on then fine. The sooner this sorry season is over the better and fingers crossed on to bigger and better things next year. If that comment had come from Aston Villa, Graham Taylor, Gordon Cowans, Ian Taylor or the like I could have accepted it.
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Collins has previous. He's also 30 years old, and old pro, an international captain. He's also shite and a waste of space. Get rid.
Herd. Smacky bum time.
Delph. As above, though I'd get rid because he's shite.
This is the bloody last thing we needed to happen before going into the penultimate wknd of the season, staring relegation in the mug. None of those players should have been out clubbing. It's a disgrace and a mockery. No it's not McLeishs fault, but it's symptomatic of his leaderships. Some players who couldn't get by under Houlliers strict regime, are having an easy time of it and loving it seemingly. I think he's too easy on them and it's in part why most of the players seem to like him.
What a chuffing mess.
This and I'm disgusted by it.
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Collins I am particularly disgusted with. He has previous.
If some of these overpaid so called professionals had an inkling of just how much we love our club, how much we care about the future of our club, how much we are concerned about the very real predicament our club is in at present, how much we have been worried about being relegated in recent weeks, how much we still worry about still being on the precipice - then they would not be going within a country mile of any pub or club during the week before our final home game of the season. At any time of the evening, let alone 3 in the morning !
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What sort of idiot kicks a door and tells it to fuck off?
Jim Morrisons wife?
Jim Morrison never formally married Pamela Courson, even though he bequeathed his entire estate to her, and thus never had a wife. ;)
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Shame on the fucking board I say, primarily for bottling it when Houllier had marked the cards of the club's indisciplined arseholes.
Rather than sort this shit out, they opted to take the cheap option and give them another chance, and employ McLeish to try and molly-coddle some performances out them.
What a pile of shit.
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Another black day in what has been a long, dark season.
Nothing really more to add.
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Yeah I've got to admit I tell doors to fuck off when I've stubbed my toe.
I once told a wall it was a fence and then legged it. Stupid bloody wall.
never take offence. ok?
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I dunno, when do fans (seriously) when does the paying customer say- "enough".? And How?
Embarrasing performances. Worst for over a hundred years? Now they take the piss. On our money.
A so called 'Manager' who cannot Manage, proven - a coach who cannot coach- Grant, proven. New signings who cannot play, less goals scored than anyone but Wolves etc etc etc.
FFS. Earning Millions?
Cool. You childish **** * go have fun. And we of course cannot complain because we might be fickle if we do.
Enough. Play ball or we won't.
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No respect for mcleish or the club, else they would have behaved. I'd throw the book at all three!
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Is it not bleeding possible in one fucking thread not to bash the bloke? This has nothing at all to do with him. He has said exactly the right thing, and it is what all of us are thinking. If you want to beat the bloke up, and we've pretty much all had a go recently then there are 500 other threads to do it.
My last say on this then. 1/ His comment has everything to do with him. 2/ As I said earlier his comment could have been "It has been dealt with internally, the players fined and the money donated to charity". 3/ Not everyone is thinking like you as I for one am not.
The players are bang out of order and have embarressed themselves and the club. Apologies have been made and hopefully we can all move on. If the club decided to move the players on then fine. The sooner this sorry season is over the better and fingers crossed on to bigger and better things next year. If that comment had come from Aston Villa, Graham Taylor, Gordon Cowans, Ian Taylor or the like I could have accepted it.
when I said everyone is thinking what he said, it means that like him we are all disappointed. However, you have decided to turn this into an anti-McLeish rant, as opposed to blaming the players. These are grown men accountable to themselves first and foremost. They are not the manager's responsibility. If we had Mourinho in charge would you be so vocal in blasting the manager when it is all the player's fault.
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Yes he has.
Saying it happens even at the big clubs.
I didn't realise we were a little club.
He's saying this happens at the big clubs. It's happened at Villa. How does that imply we're a little club?
Sorry for being a pendant, but he said “even” at the big clubs implying that we are not in the same category.
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Arguably our best player ever turned up to games intoxicated, so why are so worried about an incident which, let's face it, if it wasn't for someone and thier phone wouldn't have even made the news.
They have apologised, time to move on - although the two of them that will play this weekend need to put in a performance and a half.
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Billy Walker turned up intoxicated...when?
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I thought the employment of McLeish was to get some respect back into the players at the club, after the tenure of Houllier.
Maybe Houllier should have moved upstairs and all the bad eggs at the club moved on.
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Am I the only one who remembers these sort of things happening in the past? In the old days before camera phones and the internet, news spread by word of mouth, so the majority of fans wouldn't have known about it. It's not right and it's not clever, but sometimes it happens, always has, and when young men and alcohol come together, probably always will.
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Arguably our best player ever turned up to games intoxicated, so why are so worried about an incident which, let's face it, if it wasn't for someone and thier phone wouldn't have even made the news.
They have apologised, time to move on - although the two of them that will play this weekend need to put in a performance and a half.
Paul Me lord?
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Billy Walker turned up intoxicated...when?
Billy Walker was a bit of a piece of work, all round.
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I think Mcliesh comments were inappropriate, I always think how do the best Managers handle these situations, they dont use words like " a slur on the club" because it isnt.
Its a few players having a few to many and getting into a bit of bother, unfortunate, stupid and daft.
A proper Manager would simply say, I am aware of the incident, I have spoken to the players and let them know that they have let The Club down, they have been disciplined and that is the end of the matter.
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I think Mcliesh comments were inappropriate, I always think how do the best Managers handle these situations, they dont use words like " a slur on the club" because it isnt.
Its a few players having a few to many and getting into a bit of bother, unfortunate, stupid and daft.
A proper Manager would simply say, I am aware of the incident, I have spoken to the players and let them know that they have let The Club down, they have been disciplined and that is the end of the matter.
Have you ever thought of a job in P.R ?
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I think Mcliesh comments were inappropriate, I always think how do the best Managers handle these situations, they dont use words like " a slur on the club" because it isnt.
Its a few players having a few to many and getting into a bit of bother, unfortunate, stupid and daft.
A proper Manager would simply say, I am aware of the incident, I have spoken to the players and let them know that they have let The Club down, they have been disciplined and that is the end of the matter.
Have you ever thought of a job in P.R ?
Thanks, Ill take that as a compliment UTV
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I think Mcliesh comments were inappropriate, I always think how do the best Managers handle these situations, they dont use words like " a slur on the club" because it isnt.
Its a few players having a few to many and getting into a bit of bother, unfortunate, stupid and daft.
A proper Manager would simply say, I am aware of the incident, I have spoken to the players and let them know that they have let The Club down, they have been disciplined and that is the end of the matter.
Nonsense. They should be lashed to the Birmingham Wheel and spun around until they can take no more. Then they should be driven along Broad St whilst being whipped until they reach the doors of Gatecrasher (wherever that is), where they'll be forced to walk on all the broken glass from the night before til they repent. Then, and only then, might they be allowed to play for us again.
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Nonsense. They should be lashed to the Birmingham Wheel and spun around until they can take no more.
The Birmingham Wheel isn't here anymore, so that'd be problematic.
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Nonsense. They should be lashed to the Birmingham Wheel and spun around until they can take no more.
The Birmingham Wheel isn't here anymore, so that'd be problematic.
Really!? Ya don't say!
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Collins,Herd and Delph.I know where my money is! :)
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Much ado about nothing.
Next!
most sensible comment on this thread. can the mods close this out. its sad and to be honest boring.
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Much ado about nothing.
Next!
It is what Alex would have wanted!
most sensible comment on this thread. can the mods close this out. its sad and to be honest boring.
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Two things:
This has been happening since time began, young adults pissed up and regretting their actions the following day. It's just in todays age we have the technology so you are forever in shame.
This has nothing to do with the boss. If I go out tonight and cause a scene, I am accountable not my boss.
This.
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Villa side is playing poorly.Lads get disrupted.Decent manager brings them back into line.
This will become evident to you in time.
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For once mcleish is spot on with his comments!
Maybe, but a bit of Pot & Kettle comes to mind here but for different reasons and on a grander scale.
Is it not bleeding possible in one fucking thread not to bash the bloke? This has nothing at all to do with him. He has said exactly the right thing, and it is what all of us are thinking. If you want to beat the bloke up, and we've pretty much all had a go recently then there are 500 other threads to do it.
My last say on this then. 1/ His comment has everything to do with him. 2/ As I said earlier his comment could have been "It has been dealt with internally, the players fined and the money donated to charity". 3/ Not everyone is thinking like you as I for one am not.
The players are bang out of order and have embarressed themselves and the club. Apologies have been made and hopefully we can all move on. If the club decided to move the players on then fine. The sooner this sorry season is over the better and fingers crossed on to bigger and better things next year. If that comment had come from Aston Villa, Graham Taylor, Gordon Cowans, Ian Taylor or the like I could have accepted it.
when I said everyone is thinking what he said, it means that like him we are all disappointed. However, you have decided to turn this into an anti-McLeish rant, as opposed to blaming the players. These are grown men accountable to themselves first and foremost. They are not the manager's responsibility. If we had Mourinho in charge would you be so vocal in blasting the manager when it is all the player's fault.
I am of the same opinion of the players as you and just about everyone else on here. If I or Mourinho put in the shift that matched someone that I won't mention then I wouldn't be so quick to to use "a slur on the club".
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makes interesting reading
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/aston-villa-what-james-collins-apology-really-means/
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He looks like the house elf from Harry Potter in that photo.
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Since when does agression make a top quality footballer? Football has moved past this 'get stuck in lads, give them a few kicks' attitude...?
It seems to be something that excites the crowd still.
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Interesting read from The Guardians 'secret footballer'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/04/the-secret-footballer-stock-replies?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038
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Its not that they got into a fight that bugs me . Its the fact that they're stupid enough to think they can go for a drink in a place like that. Gone are the days when a footballer could walk around a nightspot smashed out of his skull Paul McGrath style and remain unmolested. Now any Nose would see you as fair game for a pop, likeswise those that see anyone famous or rich as a target and i'm sure a few Villa fans wouldn't have minded a word either. If you want to get pissed join a private club or go far out the area, not Broad street ffs.
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Last time I had a pint in Broad St there were only a few pubs around there. The Grapevine, Crown, Westward Ho, Bulls Head, Crusader, Prince of Wales, Longboat, another near the top end and off to the right whose name escapes me. Barbarella's, Rum Runner were nearby.
Lee Longlands sale was well and truly under way.
There was a cafe on the left, very similar to that one on Smallbrook just around the corner from Hurst St. It was something like Appolonia or Partheon; Greek anyway. Great bacon sandwich. Tea in white cups made of glass.
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Its not that they got into a fight that bugs me . Its the fact that they're stupid enough to think they can go for a drink in a place like that. Gone are the days when a footballer could walk around a nightspot smashed out of his skull Paul McGrath style and remain unmolested. Now any Nose would see you as fair game for a pop, likeswise those that see anyone famous or rich as a target and i'm sure a few Villa fans wouldn't have minded a word either. If you want to get pissed join a private club or go far out the area, not Broad street ffs.
On a slight tangent; How much do that group earn between them? Probably in the region of a hundred grand a week. How much to hire a couple of minders for the night?
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Alternatively, they could have gone down to the Smoke. Where there would have been far less chance of even being recognised.
If they absolutely positively had to go out in Brum, places like the Tap and Spile or similar don't have quite the same dickhead ratio as Gatecrasher and the like.
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Maybe the minder was the guy in the suit in the video. I know players hire them.
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Its not that they got into a fight that bugs me . Its the fact that they're stupid enough to think they can go for a drink in a place like that. Gone are the days when a footballer could walk around a nightspot smashed out of his skull Paul McGrath style and remain unmolested. Now any Nose would see you as fair game for a pop, likeswise those that see anyone famous or rich as a target and i'm sure a few Villa fans wouldn't have minded a word either. If you want to get pissed join a private club or go far out the area, not Broad street ffs.
On a slight tangent; How much do that group earn between them? Probably in the region of a hundred grand a week. How much to hire a couple of minders for the night?
Exactly, they are grown men, who should be aware of who they are and where they are going and what they are doing: local premier league footballer, in a city centre club, drinking. Yes they have the right to go out like anyone else but also that they are stillsubject to what happens on a night out x 100 as they are footballers.
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Not good from a role model pov! Not good at all. I remember when Villa players got respect in clubs down Broad St and Corporation St/Steelhouse Lane. We were honoured to have them in our presence. Not these shites!
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Alternatively, they could have gone down to the Smoke. Where there would have been far less chance of even being recognised.
If they absolutely positively had to go out in Brum, places like the Tap and Spile or similar don't have quite the same dickhead ratio as Gatecrasher and the like.
Agree. Also, I'm sure their houses are big enough, why not go back to one of their pads for a few beers?
I think the answer to this is the fact that 'Big Time Charlies' like to be seen out.
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Herd certainly looks more than willing it mix it. He'd look more convincing with Collins's hairdo than that early 1990's 'Boyzone' style do though.