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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on April 22, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
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Liverpool (A) L DREW
Stoke City (H) D DREW
Man Utd (A) L LOST
Sunderland (H) L DREW
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) W
Revision:
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) L
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
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Bolton (H) W
West Brom (A) L
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) L
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Bolton (H) W
West Brom (A) L
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) D
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Bolton (H) Win
West Brom (A) Lose
Spurs (H) Draw
Norwich (A) Draw
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Bolton win
West Brom draw
Spuds draw
Norwich draw
I am pist
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Bolton (H) Draw
West Brom (A) Lose
Spurs (H) Lose
Norwich (A) Lose
I've had a rubbish day!
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Bolton (h) win
W.B.A (a) lose
Spurs (h) lose
Norwich (a) draw
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Bolton 0-0
West Brom 0-0
Spuds 0-0
Norwich 0-0
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Bolton D
albion L
spurs D
norwich L
can't wait for the season to finish. couldn't take another like this. was painful watching newcstle on MOTD last night and realising how far our club has fallen in 2 years
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Noblot 2-0
Olbeyun 1-1
Spuds 0-2
Norwich 1-1
Were be safe, Baggies and Norwich will involve taking 1st half leads, sitting back, conceeding after 60 mins and surviving an onslaught. Spurs will be non existant up front and another easy 3 points for them
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win lose lose lose
Is that enough
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Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
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Bolton 0-0
West Brom 0-0
Spuds 0-0
Norwich 0-0
That was McLeish plan in August, 38 draws we should be safe he he ;-)
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Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
Bite your nails and cling on...
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I'm sure it was Dave the Mod. (not Mr. Woodhall) who said at the start of the season he was going to put £10 on every Villa result to be a draw. If so, he's probably quids in, now!
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The ever optimist in me says:
Bolton: W
WBA: W
Spurs: W
Norwich: W
The 'Glass half full' in me says:
Bolton: D
WBA: D
Spurs: W
Norwich: D
The realist in me says:
Bolton: D
WBA: D
Spurs: L
Norwich: L
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Bolton D
WBA L
Spurs L
Norwich D
Stay up by the skin of our teeth.
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If we really do draw the last 4, winning only 7 games in a season and avoiding relegation must be fairly unique.
Conversely, losing only 13 or 14 and getting relegated takes some doing too.
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Draw two more games I reckon, Bolton and Norwich. What worries me is that we appear toothless up front, I cannot see us scoring our way out of trouble. Once we go below those teams trying to catch us, I cannot see us fighting our way back above them. Goal difference might yet keep us up. The other thing is, I genuinely hope that Randy and Faulkner don't see it as an achievement if just "just about avoid the drop".
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What REALLY worries me are the results teams below us are getting and might continue to get.
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Beat Bolton and draw the other three.
Thus we become new world record holders for draws in a season - half the fucking amount we've played.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
I'd love to know how you've worked that out.
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I'm still hoping we 'beat Bolton without realising it'.
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Bolton C
WBA R
Spurs A
Norwich P
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It's a great time to play spurs. Apparently.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
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Liverpool (A) L DRAW
Stoke City (H) D
Man Utd (A) L
Sunderland (H) D
Bolton (H) L
West Brom (A) W
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
Or 6 points.
Sticking with this, atm we're a point better off than my easy predictions. We win one game a month so it's either going to be Bolton (which i can't see happening) or West Brom.
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Draw two more games I reckon, Bolton and Norwich. What worries me is that we appear toothless up front, I cannot see us scoring our way out of trouble. Once we go below those teams trying to catch us, I cannot see us fighting our way back above them. Goal difference might yet keep us up. The other thing is, I genuinely hope that Randy and Faulkner don't see it as an achievement if just "just about avoid the drop".
I can see it being touted as some kind of achievement. I can definitely see McLeish trying to convince people that keeping us up in the face of all the "adversity at the club this season" has been a good accomplishment.
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Draw two more games I reckon, Bolton and Norwich. What worries me is that we appear toothless up front, I cannot see us scoring our way out of trouble. Once we go below those teams trying to catch us, I cannot see us fighting our way back above them. Goal difference might yet keep us up. The other thing is, I genuinely hope that Randy and Faulkner don't see it as an achievement if just "just about avoid the drop".
I can see it being touted as some kind of achievement. I can definitely see McLeish trying to convince people that keeping us up in the face of all the "adversity at the club this season" has been a good accomplishment.
Oh god I can see the OS now. "Fab Villa boss on ace season finish"
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Think we'll get 2 points which will be enough. Would take some sort of perfect storm for 3 of the 4 teams below us to all get 39 points. Even a point could do it..
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Bolton - W
Albion - D
Spurs - W
Norwich - D
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Draw two more games I reckon, Bolton and Norwich. What worries me is that we appear toothless up front, I cannot see us scoring our way out of trouble. Once we go below those teams trying to catch us, I cannot see us fighting our way back above them. Goal difference might yet keep us up. The other thing is, I genuinely hope that Randy and Faulkner don't see it as an achievement if just "just about avoid the drop".
I can see it being touted as some kind of achievement. I can definitely see McLeish trying to convince people that keeping us up in the face of all the "adversity at the club this season" has been a good accomplishment.
Oh god I can see the OS now. "Fab Villa boss on ace season finish"
and if the players are encouraged to do a lap of honour it will test to the limit the relationship between me and the Villa
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Draw two more games I reckon, Bolton and Norwich. What worries me is that we appear toothless up front, I cannot see us scoring our way out of trouble. Once we go below those teams trying to catch us, I cannot see us fighting our way back above them. Goal difference might yet keep us up. The other thing is, I genuinely hope that Randy and Faulkner don't see it as an achievement if just "just about avoid the drop".
I can see it being touted as some kind of achievement. I can definitely see McLeish trying to convince people that keeping us up in the face of all the "adversity at the club this season" has been a good accomplishment.
Oh god I can see the OS now. "Fab Villa boss on ace season finish"
and if the players are encouraged to do a lap of honour it will test to the limit the relationship between me and the Villa
The only lap of honour will be the reserves.
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I saw that ian robbo has posted an article on his site about us with and without Bent. It is a very scary statistic, this season even more so, with only 9 points from the 12 games he has not played in. For those that don't rate him, the stats on his importance to us are there to see. We have missed him since he was out because he makes the difference between nicking the odd win in the runs of draws, which get the points to make you safe.
I reckon we lose on Tuesday we will drop. It is a huge, huge game.
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I don't know what you heard about me
But the villa can't get another dollar outta me
No midfielders, forwards, you can't see
I'm the Villa Chairman' RANDY.
Now Ginger he in the club, he dancin' for dollars
He got a thing for that Hutton Nzog, that Zigic, and them other spanners
That BCFC, Burberry, blue nose manner
He's playing Blose football, we pay him cause we wanna
I even go and hire Paul Faulkner
He turning Villa inta relegation fodder
Them brummies in my ear sayin' they think about Villa
I got the Mcliesh at the park who cant get a win for Villa
He got no style, fans run a mile, don’t like the way he talk
He from the Scotland, and he thinks I'm from New York
I am that RANDY being turned down by Martinez
I'm that RANDY tryin' to hold on though I got no bread
I could care less how they perform or what is said
Fans hit the track, by a scarfe, and come pay the kid
Look Villa, this is simple you can't see
You fuckin' with me you fuckin' with the Chairman RANDY.
Yeah Villa I got my General Krulak ear muffs on
Ive been showing you how my thinking is not to strong
Your dead wrong if ya think that were goner fly
Lots of kids and trying with Hutton in the side
It will all end in tears i tell yer
My divorce and shares in Bank America
Bur I am still your Chairman and Owner RANDY
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Well Dave Mc Lark Five Run IN 3 Bolton L
Albion L
Spurs L
Norwich L
We are going to go down.
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We will get another glorious draw on the last day in the last game on equal points with a definite relegation stooge and it will be a 'wonderful win' again against superior oppostion taking us into a new season with new players who can play for a glorious draw and survival. That is the theory unless we don't get another glorious draw again.
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Bolton H Win
WBA A Draw
Spurs H Draw
Norwich A Draw
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Bolton H Win
WBA A Draw
Spurs H Draw
Norwich A Draw
I dearly love an optimist! Up the Villa!
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I don't know what you heard about me
But the villa can't get another dollar outta me
No midfielders, forwards, you can't see
I'm the Villa Chairman' RANDY.
Now Ginger he in the club, he dancin' for dollars
He got a thing for that Hutton Nzog, that Zigic, and them other spanners
That BCFC, Burberry, blue nose manner
He's playing Blose football, we pay him cause we wanna
I even go and hire Paul Faulkner
He turning Villa inta relegation fodder
Them brummies in my ear sayin' they think about Villa
I got the Mcliesh at the park who cant get a win for Villa
He got no style, fans run a mile, don’t like the way he talk
He from the Scotland, and he thinks I'm from New York
I am that RANDY being turned down by Martinez
I'm that RANDY tryin' to hold on though I got no bread
I could care less how they perform or what is said
Fans hit the track, by a scarfe, and come pay the kid
Look Villa, this is simple you can't see
You fuckin' with me you fuckin' with the Chairman RANDY.
Yeah Villa I got my General Krulak ear muffs on
Ive been showing you how my thinking is not to strong
Your dead wrong if ya think that were goner fly
Lots of kids and trying with Hutton in the side
It will all end in tears i tell yer
My divorce and shares in Bank America
Bur I am still your Chairman and Owner RANDY
its 50 cent PIMP
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draw, lose, lose & draw... oh joy
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BOLTON - WIN
ALBION - LOSE
SPURS - DRAW
NORWICH - DRAW
5 points and safe.
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I saw that ian robbo has posted an article on his site about us with and without Bent. It is a very scary statistic, this season even more so, with only 9 points from the 12 games he has not played in. For those that don't rate him, the stats on his importance to us are there to see. We have missed him since he was out because he makes the difference between nicking the odd win in the runs of draws, which get the points to make you safe.
I reckon we lose on Tuesday we will drop. It is a huge, huge game.
Good point Ozz.
I'm convinced we'd have beaten Sunderland had Bent been playing, he's a poacher and that's one of the big things we're lacking.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
If we get 2 pts from the remaining 4 games, which in all honesty is a distinct posibility, 3 teams below have to pull off a couple of massive wins to overhaul us.
1 team? Yes.
2 teams? Maybe.
3 teams? I just can't see that happening.
I'm not going down the 'I'm not worried road' because I am.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
QPR wouldn't need to do anything. Instead Wigan would need to win 2 out of 3, and Bolton 3 out of 5. Both have easier run ins.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
QPR wouldn't need to do anything. Instead Wigan would need to win 2 out of 3, and Bolton 3 out of 5. Both have easier run ins.
So you suggesting that Blackburn will stay up and we'll go down with QPR and Wolves?
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
QPR wouldn't need to do anything. Instead Wigan would need to win 2 out of 3, and Bolton 3 out of 5. Both have easier run ins.
Which would see QPR and Blackburn down with Wolves?
Where are QPRs possible 5 points coming from or Blackburn's 8 (or 9 as 8 is impossible) in the scenario we get 38 points?
And presumably one of Wigans wins is against Blackburn as I dont imagine they'll beat Newcastle.
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
QPR wouldn't need to do anything. Instead Wigan would need to win 2 out of 3, and Bolton 3 out of 5. Both have easier run ins.
Which would see QPR and Blackburn down with Wolves?
Where are QPRs possible 5 points coming from or Blackburn's 8 (or 9 as 8 is impossible) in the scenario we get 38 points?
And presumably one of Wigans wins is against Blackburn as I dont imagine they'll beat Newcastle.
Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games. For the record, if we get two more points I think it is very unlikely we will go down. But I am also worried that if we lose against Bolton we will not get any more points. This manager has a record of relegating teams against all the odds.
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Bolton - Draw
WBA - Win
Spurs - Lose
Norwich - Draw
That's my predictions should see us safe.
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We will win every game from now till the end of the season.
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Bolton (H) Win
West Brom (A) Lose
Spurs (H) Lose
Norwich (A) Draw
40 points and safe!
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Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games.
The vast majority of those permutations would see us safe, especially the more realistic ones.
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Bolton - Draw
WBA - Win
Spurs - Lose
Norwich - Draw
That's my predictions should see us safe.
Bolton - Win
WBA - Lose
Spurs - Draw
Norwich - Lose
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Bolton - Win
WBA - Draw
Spurs - Lose
Norwich - Draw
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Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games.
The vast majority of those permutations would see us safe, especially the more realistic ones.
Only if we get two morre points.
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Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games.
The vast majority of those permutations would see us safe, especially the more realistic ones.
Only if we get two morre points.
As I said, it's about being realistic. We have a home game against Bolton where we're favourites, so if you try to look at it objectively you you'd fancy us for at least one of those points tomorrow night. After that, we haven't lost 2 in a row all season, let alone 3.
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i'm probably more mystic mug than meg, but i can see us snatching two more points, one against bolton, and the other against norwich, so does two more make us absolutely safe? As much as i want regime change, i don't want relegation to achieve it.
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I did the BBC predictor with us losing every game and with all the other results as i predict and I get us staying up by 2 points.
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I did the BBC predictor with us losing every game and with all the other results as i predict and I get us staying up by 2 points.
Some people will still only belive the first part of that.
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I did the predictor and had us down to beat Bolton tomorrow and draw against Norwich (40 points). Also had blackburn and bolton relegated.
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Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games.
The vast majority of those permutations would see us safe, especially the more realistic ones.
Only if we get two morre points.
As I said, it's about being realistic. We have a home game against Bolton where we're favourites, so if you try to look at it objectively you you'd fancy us for at least one of those points tomorrow night. After that, we haven't lost 2 in a row all season, let alone 3.
We've lost twice in a row 3 times this season I can think of off the top of my head, Newcastle away, Citeh home. Liverpool home, Arsenal home. City away, Albion home.
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We must avoid defeat tomorrow night , if we get a draw we may just scrape to safety on goal difference with 37 points- i do not see us beating bolton or taking any points from our last 3 games so lets hope we can escape and get rid of the clown in charge as this season has been an utter shambles!
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The very depressing thing is that even if we are relegated, there will not be a regime change.
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Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) D
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Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) D
Wouldn't be surprised if they're all 0-0. Exciting stuff.
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The very depressing thing is that even if we are relegated, there will not be a regime change.
Wouldnt bet on it!
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I'm sure it was Dave the Mod. (not Mr. Woodhall) who said at the start of the season he was going to put £10 on every Villa result to be a draw. If so, he's probably quids in, now!
I tempered it slightly to bet on heavy defeats as well.
Chelsea and Sunderland between them was about £150 profit.
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Liverpool (A) L DREW
Stoke City (H) D DREW
Man Utd (A) L LOST
Sunderland (H) L DREW
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) W
Revision:
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) L
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
A question: considering we are actually two points better off than you originally thought we would be, how does that tally with thinking we're now going to do much worse than you originally thought in the remaining games?
Surely logic would suggest that we're actually doing better than you were expecting and you should therefore be more positive about the games to come rather than less?
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Bolton (H) W
West Brom (A) W
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) L
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D
L
W
W
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Bolton (H) W
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
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Liverpool (A) L DREW
Stoke City (H) D DREW
Man Utd (A) L LOST
Sunderland (H) L DREW
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) D
Spurs (H) D
Norwich (A) W
Revision:
Bolton (H) D
West Brom (A) L
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
A question: considering we are actually two points better off than you originally thought we would be, how does that tally with thinking we're now going to do much worse than you originally thought in the remaining games?
Surely logic would suggest that we're actually doing better than you were expecting and you should therefore be more positive about the games to come rather than less?
True. Glass half-full syndrome. Surely we can/will do better than I hope...
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I wouldn't like to guess individual scores but I think we'll get just two points from the four matches and go down.
It would take yet more exceptional results elsewhere for that to happen. At the very least QPR would need to win at either Chelsea or Man city, or Blackburn at both Chelsea and Spurs.
QPR wouldn't need to do anything. Instead Wigan would need to win 2 out of 3, and Bolton 3 out of 5. Both have easier run ins.
Which would see QPR and Blackburn down with Wolves?
Where are QPRs possible 5 points coming from or Blackburn's 8 (or 9 as 8 is impossible) in the scenario we get 38 points?
And presumably one of Wigans wins is against Blackburn as I dont imagine they'll beat Newcastle.
Fair comment. just trying to point out there is a number of permutations, and we are not dust relying on QPR to win their games. For the record, if we get two more points I think it is very unlikely we will go down. But I am also worried that if we lose against Bolton we will not get any more points. This manager has a record of relegating teams against all the odds.
Which is why I said 'at the least'. The most likely route to safety is QPR failing to get a win in either of their home games, and Blackburn failing to win both.
I can see Wigan beating Wolves and probably Blackburn too. They are unlikely to get much out of Newcastle.
Bolton have enough games against moderate opposition to do something, even if they seem to have had the stuffing knocked out of them lately with injuries and what happened to Muamba.
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Most worryingly, Primark haven't got any brown underpants in my size. I'm going to have to go online and get some man-Pampers from one of those adult babywear suppliers.
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Horrific 1-0 loss to Bolton. Draw with Albion and beat Spurs to guarantee survival.
Beat Norwich 8-0 last game to ensure a bumper new five-year contract extension for Alex.
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A statistic from the Mail, if we fail to reach 42 points, which would seem fairly likely, this seasons points haul will be the lowest we have ever mustered in the PL.
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A statistic from the Mail, if we fail to reach 42 points, which would seem fairly likely, this seasons points haul will be the lowest we have ever mustered in the PL.
all nill nills ?
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If McLeish has a strength it's to attain drab uninspired draws against disinterested opposition. That's about as complimentary as I can manage.
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A statistic from the Mail, if we fail to reach 42 points, which would seem fairly likely, this seasons points haul will be the lowest we have ever mustered in the PL.
Any other season and we'd be down.
It's a weird league this year though, there's a lot of god awful teams near the bottom, though it's very competitive in the top 4 or 5. I can't tell if the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man United have gotten worse or if the teams like Spurs, Man City, and Newcastle have gotten a whole lot better.
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Bolton-D
WBA- L
Spurs- L
Norwich- D
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Bolton W
Albion L
Spurs L
Norwich D
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Bolton D
WBA L
Spuds L
Norwich D
2 points, might just be enough. I reckon we'll only score another three goals in those four games too.
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Bolton - D
West Brom - D
Spurs - L
Norwich - cant decide!!! could be D or L
so think we can pick up 3 more points...
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I've just talked to my old mate Mystic Meg and she reckons McJockstrap will lead us to survival this season and glory next season!!!She is always right that Mystic Meg!!Personaly,i can see us biting our finger nails away at Norwich and the possibility of a sad,long trip home on that final game.I hope i am very wrong but i cannot see us getting anything the way we are playing.We are in a worse points position than THEY were last season and we certainly cannot see where the inspiration is going to come from for us to put up the fight needed to stay up.Like i said ,i hope i am very wrong,more will be evident later tonight.3 points and you will here the sigh of relief around Villa Park,no points or just the one and the nerves will still be jangeling.
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A statistic from the Mail, if we fail to reach 42 points, which would seem fairly likely, this seasons points haul will be the lowest we have ever mustered in the PL.
Any other season and we'd be down.
It's a weird league this year though, there's a lot of god awful teams near the bottom, though it's very competitive in the top 4 or 5. I can't tell if the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man United have gotten worse or if the teams like Spurs, Man City, and Newcastle have gotten a whole lot better.
It's almost like there are 4 leagues within the Premiership this season:
The two Manchester clubs going for the title
Below them only seven points between Arsenal in 3rd and Chelsea in 6th
Below them there is only 6 points between Everton in 7th and Stoke in 14th
Then comes the bottom pack, containing us unfortunately
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If we can't win tonight I will have no confidence in us getting much at all in our last three games. On the other hand I think a win would inspire us to pick up a few more points in the remaining matches.