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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: mr woo on April 17, 2012, 01:28:55 PM
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I've not seen the stats of Peter Grants managerial record compiled in one place before but I've always had the impression it wasn't great. So because I'm bored I decided to have a delve...
I have omitted anything before 2006 as exact dates etc are too time consuming to research.
Oct 2006 - Oct 2007. Norwich manager
W 18 D 12 L24. Grant was sacked 10 games into new season while Nowich were in relegating zone.
Jul 08- Jun 09. West Brom first team coach
W 8 D 8. L 22. WBA relegated in bottom place.
June 09 - Mar 10. Celtic first team coach
W 17. D 6. L 7. Mowbray and Grant sacked after losing 4-0 to the mighty St Mirren.
Jul 10 - Jul 11. Noses first team coach
W 8. D 15 L15. Relegated in 18th place
To present at Villa. W 7 D 14. L 12
And maybe it's worth pointing out that AM's previous season at Blues with Roy Aitken they finished 9th with a record of W13. D11. L14.
Sorry if this turns out a bit messy - had to type it on a phone. Will tidy and edit later.
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Peter Grant. When another McLeich thread just won't do.
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Can't be arsed typing this out again but I do think there is something in this. As I posted yesterday in the McLeish thread:
My theory is this. Up until the last two seasons he (McLeish) has always done a decent, if dull, job. Even when he managed third place at Rangers it wasn't entirely his fault as he was doing so in a context of a small budget and at a time Hearts were spending big.
Following that ninth place finish, McLeish brought in Peter 'Jonah' Grant as his assistant following the departure of Roy Aitken. Wherever he's been Grant has brought nothing but bad luck and underacheivement to clubs. Here, this is probably exacerbated by McLeish losing his long term sidekick Andy Watson and putting even more trust in Grant. McLeish has had two bad seasons which just so happen to coincide with his working with Grant. Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.
That said I think we'll have a thread blaming the tealady or the work experience boy next.
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I think Blandy thought he was getting the ghost of Led Zeppelin's manager.
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I think it's a reasonable point to highlight, maybe the coaching is as much to blame for our poor results and performances as the Manager. We often debated whether the crap football palyed uder MON was more down to Rebertson and Walsh than pubehead himself.
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I've not seen the stats of Peter Grants managerial record compiled in one place before but I've always had the impression it wasn't great. So because I'm bored I decided to have a delve...
I have omitted anything before 2006 as exact dates etc are too time consuming to research.
Oct 2006 - Oct 2007. Norwich manager
W 18 D 12 L24. Grant was sacked 10 games into new season while Nowich were in relegating zone.
Jul 08- Jun 09. West Brom first team coach
W 8 D 8. L 22. WBA relegated in bottom place.
June 09 - Mar 10. Celtic first team coach
W 17. D 6. L 7. Mowbray and Grant sacked after losing 4-0 to the mighty St Mirren.
Jul 10 - Jul 11. Noses first team coach
W 8. D 15 L15. Relegated in 18th place
To present at Villa. W 7 D 14. L 12
And maybe it's worth pointing out that AM's previous season at Blues with Roy Aitken they finished 9th with a record of W13. D11. L14.
IN SUMMARY : Peter Grant is a total TWAT. (You only have to sit behind the Dugout & watch him to know that.)
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I've always thought Peter Grant has had that hunted "I don't really know what I'm doing; do you think anyone has noticed yet? " look.
But, what role has KMac played in the coaching this season? Is he now "soiled goods"?
Just who is calling the shots in terms of tactics, playing style, etc? - I suppose McL is in overall terms but how much is influenced by those around him?
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IN SUMMARY : Peter Grant is a total TWAT. (You only have to sit behind the Dugout & watch him to know that.)
Interesting. For the rest of us that do not sit behind the dugout can you expand on this? What is it he does that makes him a “twat”. For example how is his behaviour different to say Sid? Can you actually hear what they’re saying/instructing?
* I initially typed Doug Out!, it just feels so natural.
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I've always thought Peter Grant has had that hunted "I don't really know what I'm doing; do you think anyone has noticed yet? " look.
But, what role has KMac played in the coaching this season? Is he now "soiled goods"?
Just who is calling the shots in terms of tactics, playing style, etc? - I suppose McL is in overall terms but how much is influenced by those around him?
If I was in charge, I'd sack AMcL with immediate effect (PG too) & put KMac in until Season's end.
Hid did OK (temporarily) before. And how many times have you seen a side perform for a 'new face' ?
(OK, he's not - but you get the drift...) The 'lads' would play better for him than those two cretins...
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IN SUMMARY : Peter Grant is a total TWAT. (You only have to sit behind the Dugout & watch him to know that.)
Interesting. For the rest of us that do not sit behind the dugout can you expand on this? What is it he does that makes him a “twat”. For example how is his behaviour different to say Sid? Can you actually hear what they’re saying/instructing?
* I initially typed Doug Out!, it just feels so natural.
He barks orders (especially at the younger players) WAY too much. I'm not for a lack of animated enthusiasm / giudance / encouragement ( as per O'Dreary / Houllier) but IF they have been 'instructed / coached' PROPERLY
in the week - PROFESSIONAL footballers should NOT need to be issued constant instruction. The odd 'tweak' for
sure (in reply to opposition) but this guy is INEPT. Several times we have seen Bannan get a bollocking (for no
good reason) & he just switches off. The players clearly have little respect / regard for PG & he's counterproductive.
(In my opinion - and I am not alone). And WHY NOT a man (Gabby ?) on the half way line when there's a corner ??
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IN SUMMARY : Peter Grant is a total TWAT. (You only have to sit behind the Dugout & watch him to know that.)
Interesting. For the rest of us that do not sit behind the dugout can you expand on this? What is it he does that makes him a “twat”. For example how is his behaviour different to say Sid? Can you actually hear what they’re saying/instructing?
* I initially typed Doug Out!, it just feels so natural.
He barks orders (especially at the younger players) WAY too much. I'm not for a lack of animated enthusiasm / giudance / encouragement ( as per O'Dreary / Houllier) but IF they have been 'instructed / coached' PROPERLY
in the week - PROFESSIONAL footballers should NOT need to be issued constant instruction. The odd 'tweak' for
sure (in reply to opposition) but this guy is INEPT. Several times we have seen Bannan get a bollocking (for no
good reason) & he just switches off. The players clearly have little respect / regard for PG & he's counterproductive.
(In my opinion - and I am not alone). And WHY NOT a man (Gabby ?) on the half way line when there's a corner ??
Thank you for the reply Dr Feelgood.
I have read elsewhere that there have been occasions where the players have completely ignored instructions from the bench. This probably adds a bit of fuel to the fire.
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I read on other sites that the Grants orders on the touchline are too much.What you sa about Bannan doesn't surprise me he looks half the player he did last season.
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I read on other sites that the Grants orders on the touchline are too much.What you sa about Bannan doesn't surprise me he looks half the player he did last season.
It’s time for Bannan to shit of get off the toilet (this is aimed at Mcleish, not bannan).
He either needs to be played centrally or not at all. It’s unfair on him and is probably destroying his confidence asking him to play as a wide man.
I’ve said it before but I think he should be our deep lying playmaker, maybe along side Herd. I admit he is lightweight but defence is as much about positioning as it is physical strength, besides I think Herd throws himself about enough to compliment Bannan. With Bannan in this position hopefully we’d control the ball better.
Apologies, just realised this is completely off topic. Ignore me, I’ve typed it now.
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Whilst the stats about Grant are there, you could also have since KMac and Sid have been first team coaches we have had poor play, and players not following instructions or revolting for two seasons.
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McLeish and Grant remind me of these pair:
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Whilst the stats about Grant are there, you could also have since KMac and Sid have been first team coaches we have had poor play, and players not following instructions or revolting for two seasons.
Fair comment, however don't forget both Sid and KMc were promoted partly due to their track records with the youth and reserves. I.e they had earnt a crack at the next level only because they had done so well at a lesser one (although that's not to say they are cutting it this season, without knowing the structure and individual roles it's hard to call).
As for our Peter, I defy anybody to give one redeeming feature in the records going back SIX years reproduced in the first post.
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How could a massive club like ours employ and pay a good wage to a man with that track record....... Shocking !!!!!!!
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McLeish and Grant remind me of these pair:
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They remind me of this pair:
http://static.bbc.co.uk/programmeimages/480x270/clip/p00j47gc.jpg?nodefault=true
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IN SUMMARY : Peter Grant is a total TWAT. (You only have to sit behind the Dugout & watch him to know that.)
Interesting. For the rest of us that do not sit behind the dugout can you expand on this? What is it he does that makes him a “twat”. For example how is his behaviour different to say Sid? Can you actually hear what they’re saying/instructing?
* I initially typed Doug Out!, it just feels so natural.
I sit behind the dugout.
Grant does a lot of pointing and shouting. The problem is that, most of the time, none of the players are looking at him.
When Grant starts pointing we now check to see whether anyone is paying attention. It really is rare for anyone to be doing so.
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Everytime he gets up there are calls, especially one voice from the crowd of "Sit down you twata - you dont know what your doing"
he must hear it everytime
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I still remember the reserve game against The Dog Shit some years back, Rob Edwards made a defensive fuck up, but their striker blasted the chance over the bar.
KMAC shouted angrily towards him and Edwards shouted back.
'Well he didn't fucking score, did he? Prick!'
Made me realise how much respect most players have for their coaches.
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I still remember the reserve game against The Dog Shit some years back, Rob Edwards made a defensive fuck up, but their striker blasted the chance over the bar.
KMAC shouted angrily towards him and Edwards shouted back.
'Well he didn't fucking score, did he? Prick!'
Made me realise how much respect most players have for their coaches.
Nice.
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He's a fucking Jonah right enough. And he's working his magic on us. Get rid soon as.
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Everytime he gets up there are calls, especially one voice from the crowd of "Sit down you twata - you dont know what your doing"
he must hear it everytime
guilty, your honour...
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Can't be arsed typing this out again but I do think there is something in this. As I posted yesterday in the McLeish thread:
My theory is this. Up until the last two seasons he (McLeish) has always done a decent, if dull, job. Even when he managed third place at Rangers it wasn't entirely his fault as he was doing so in a context of a small budget and at a time Hearts were spending big.
Following that ninth place finish, McLeish brought in Peter 'Jonah' Grant as his assistant following the departure of Roy Aitken. Wherever he's been Grant has brought nothing but bad luck and underacheivement to clubs. Here, this is probably exacerbated by McLeish losing his long term sidekick Andy Watson and putting even more trust in Grant. McLeish has had two bad seasons which just so happen to coincide with his working with Grant. Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.
That said I think we'll have a thread blaming the tealady or the work experience boy next.
I've mentioned him before but I assumed he was coming here in the summer. I thought SHA blocked him but Chris Hughton has brought in his own staff like Calderwood and Paul Trollope.
Andy Watson is highly rated in the game so just wondered what happened to him. I was also hoping we'd get Dave Watson, their goalkeeping coach as he did very well with Joe Hart. Who knows, he may even have taught Given to come off his line.
At the end of it we pay SHA 2m in compensation and can't even get McLeish's best coaches to come with him.
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Everytime he gets up there are calls, especially one voice from the crowd of "Sit down you twata - you dont know what your doing"
he must hear it everytime
guilty, your honour...
Top work
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Everytime he gets up there are calls, especially one voice from the crowd of "Sit down you twata - you dont know what your doing"
he must hear it everytime
guilty, your honour...
Top work
Good work indeed. I'm sure everyone else is thinking it anyway...that includes the 11 on the pitch.
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Whilst the stats about Grant are there, you could also have since KMac and Sid have been first team coaches we have had poor play, and players not following instructions or revolting for two seasons.
Interesting post. If Kevin and Sid disagree with everything that McLeish suggests, but meekly go along with it, are they the men of character that we want in charge? I doubt if they disagree with anything that is going on, unless someone has heard some bullshit to the contrary. They are both solid parts of a management team that will have a few people eating their hats.
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Whilst the stats about Grant are there, you could also have since KMac and Sid have been first team coaches we have had poor play, and players not following instructions or revolting for two seasons.
Interesting post. If Kevin and Sid disagree with everything that McLeish suggests, but meekly go along with it, are they the men of character that we want in charge? I doubt if they disagree with anything that is going on, unless someone has heard some bullshit to the contrary. They are both solid parts of a management team that will have a few people eating their hats.
I have to say, throughout the really rough period for Houllier last season, it was interesting how nobody mentioned the bent-nosed, spindle legged legend sitting next to him.
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No one hypes up the coaches/assistants at Man u or Chelsea or any other successful team, and equally no one blames the coaches/assistants if a team is relegated. The buck stops with the manager, he is in charge, so if he can't see whether or not his coach is good or bad it is his call. As interesting as it is looking at the stats for Peter Grant, let's just get on with blaming the manager, the prick.
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I've mentioned on here before that the reason Andy Watson didn't come with AM was reported as being because he had been kept in the dark about the move and felt let down. As for Grant surely the appointing and if neccasary replacing of coaching staff is part of the managers job.
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I've mentioned on here before that the reason Andy Watson didn't come with AM was reported as being because he had been kept in the dark about the move and felt let down. As for Grant surely the appointing and if neccasary replacing of coaching staff is part of the managers job.
Ah right didn't know that. It seems strange to me as Watson has pretty much followed McLeish at every club he's managed and Scotland aswell.
Sid and Mac are only on the coaching staff imo as we have so many young players in our squad so they're a useful sounding board. I don't think they have much input into tactics.
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I've mentioned on here before that the reason Andy Watson didn't come with AM was reported as being because he had been kept in the dark about the move and felt let down. As for Grant surely the appointing and if neccasary replacing of coaching staff is part of the managers job.
Ah right didn't know that. It seems strange to me as Watson has pretty much followed McLeish at every club he's managed and Scotland aswell.
Sid and Mac are only on the coaching staff imo as we have so many young players in our squad so they're a useful sounding board. I don't think they have much input into tactics.
Tactics you say, what are these tactics you mention?
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I've mentioned on here before that the reason Andy Watson didn't come with AM was reported as being because he had been kept in the dark about the move and felt let down. As for Grant surely the appointing and if neccasary replacing of coaching staff is part of the managers job.
Ah right didn't know that. It seems strange to me as Watson has pretty much followed McLeish at every club he's managed and Scotland aswell.
Sid and Mac are only on the coaching staff imo as we have so many young players in our squad so they're a useful sounding board. I don't think they have much input into tactics.
Tactics you say, what are these tactics you mention?
Can't spot tactics from MOTD.