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Title: Protest what Protest?
Post by: hawkeye on April 15, 2012, 09:33:13 PM
Is anything going to happen? I am reading white flags/ hankies.
Hearing Season Ticket Boycots.
Does any one think that anything will happen?
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 15, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
It'll never happen, too many people will go regardless
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 15, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
Managers come and go, owners not so quickly.
The protests should be aimed at Lerner - an individual who owns our football club in its entirety but is never here and has nothing to say to us.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Witton Warrior on April 15, 2012, 09:58:58 PM
It'll never happen, too many people will go regardless

I am torn by the fact we need to support the team to stay up with the fact that if we do AM will survive - the choice is stark but the Villa come first...

Have tickets for Bolton but if we win that (or have won against MartinO'Neil'sSunnerland) won't go against Spuds.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Witton Warrior on April 15, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
Managers come and go, owners not so quickly.
The protests should be aimed at Lerner - an individual who owns our football club in its entirety but is never here and has nothing to say to us.

We haven't even given AM a hard time yet - we need to build up slowly...
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 10:00:43 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand

When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 15, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
I'll happily attend any protest, before/during/after any game or even one random night at Villa Park, but only once we've secured safety.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2012, 10:10:58 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand

When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.

Agree that we need to be right behind the team for the next few games.  I don't want to condone what is classed as criminal behaviour, but whatever the outcome of the next few games, I think there should be a full scale pitch invasion at the end of the Spurs game.  For one it would prevent McLeish and some of those players walking round giving and taking applause, and secondly it will let everyone at the club know just how annoyed, hurt and frustrated we all feel. 
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: levico on April 15, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
We won't protest, we don't care enough, we've had that knocked out of us. Randy doesn't watch or listen. The club will just slip quietly out of the PL and we will all watch, speechless.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand

When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.

Agree that we need to be right behind the team for the next few games.  I don't want to condone what is classed as criminal behaviour, but whatever the outcome of the next few games, I think there should be a full scale pitch invasion at the end of the Spurs game.  For one it would prevent McLeish and some of those players walking round giving and taking applause, and secondly it will let everyone at the club know just how annoyed, hurt and frustrated we all feel.

And smash the place up? No thanks. We'll leave that sort of thing to SH.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 15, 2012, 10:55:28 PM
I think the best way to show the club how upset we are is as follows.

Fill the ground for every remaining home game and sing and shout your heads off in support of the players on the pitch for 90 minutes.

Do not purchase anything from the clubshop, food outlets, holte suite & pub before, during and after the game.. don't buy food, drinks, or programmes.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand

When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.

Agree that we need to be right behind the team for the next few games.  I don't want to condone what is classed as criminal behaviour, but whatever the outcome of the next few games, I think there should be a full scale pitch invasion at the end of the Spurs game.  For one it would prevent McLeish and some of those players walking round giving and taking applause, and secondly it will let everyone at the club know just how annoyed, hurt and frustrated we all feel.

And smash the place up? No thanks. We'll leave that sort of thing to SH.

Nope.  No need to smash the place up at all.  Just have a protest on the pitch in full view of everyone and the media. 
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 15, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand

When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.

Agree that we need to be right behind the team for the next few games.  I don't want to condone what is classed as criminal behaviour, but whatever the outcome of the next few games, I think there should be a full scale pitch invasion at the end of the Spurs game.  For one it would prevent McLeish and some of those players walking round giving and taking applause, and secondly it will let everyone at the club know just how annoyed, hurt and frustrated we all feel.

And smash the place up? No thanks. We'll leave that sort of thing to SH.

Nope.  No need to smash the place up at all.  Just have a protest on the pitch in full view of everyone and the media. 

They'd love that.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 11:00:33 PM
How have a couple of joke posts about corned beef and asbestos turned into smashing up Villa Park, or at the very least invading the pitch? Stop quoting me & John when expressing your insanity! 
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 15, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
i'm boycotting buying corned beef, i feel i must make a stand


When making a stand, watch out for asbestos.

Agree that we need to be right behind the team for the next few games.  I don't want

to condone what is classed as criminal behaviour, but whatever the outcome of the next few games, I think there should be a full scale pitch invasion at the end of the Spurs game.  For one it would prevent McLeish and some of those players walking round giving and taking applause, and secondly it will let everyone at the club know just how annoyed, hurt and frustrated we all feel. 

I'll follow you onto the pitch.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 12:23:12 AM
How have a couple of joke posts about corned beef and asbestos turned into smashing up Villa Park, or at the very least invading the pitch? Stop quoting me & John when expressing your insanity!

OK, I accept I may have gone a little too far suggesting a pitch invasion after the Spurs game, but I can't really ever recall feeling this frustrated about goings on at Villa Park.  When you have the likes of Lee Dixon saying on national TV that McLeish is doing a good job, as if to say that we as Villa fans shouldn't expect any better, it really annoys me.  That coupled with the fact that journalists seem reluctant to question anyone at the club and it feels like our voices aren't being heard.   
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 16, 2012, 12:29:54 AM
Protest why? Randy won't hear it from Clevland Towers.He has getting it for long enough over there.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: villadelph on April 16, 2012, 12:31:28 AM
I like the idea of white flags.

We give up Randy, you win. You can have the club.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: hawkeye on April 16, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
The last time it took 2 relegations to change the direction of our Club which culminated in Rotterdam 1982.
Based on the replys on here it will take something similar.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 12:40:35 AM
I like the idea of white flags.

We give up Randy, you win. You can have the club.

That's the reason I don't like the white flags. Why should we, the supporters who will be here after McLeish and Lerner have long gone, be seen to be giving up?
I did like the Underpant protest one club did a few years back, that had humour and got the point over, something like that?
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Vanilla on April 16, 2012, 01:36:23 AM
Is anything going to happen? I am reading white flags/ hankies.
Hearing Season Ticket Boycots.
Does any one think that anything will happen?

It would have been quite funny if those Villa fans who attended Old Trafford had all got out a white hanky at the game.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2012, 01:45:06 AM
I like the idea of white flags.

We give up Randy, you win. You can have the club.

That's the reason I don't like the white flags. Why should we, the supporters who will be here after McLeish and Lerner have long gone, be seen to be giving up?
I did like the Underpant protest one club did a few years back, that had humour and got the point over, something like that?

That was Reading in 1999, and a certain Alan Pardew  did not see the funny side at all:
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The much hyped Pants Day delivered. Pants Day, that started as an idea on the discussion board of this site, was a true success - with amazing scenes as the vast majority of the 6,000 crowd swung their Pants. Pants were swung in protest and for fun - but it was clear it had made a point, with both Madejski and Pardew talking in length about Pants Day at the final whistle with both the local and national media. Madejski spoke about how he saw the fans viewpoint and thought the protest was a sensible alternative to the otherwise possible pitch invasions. Madesjki was even seen to be swinging a pair of club-shop eight quid boxers, in an obvious attempt to calm the situation and join the fans. Interesting then that Pardew's opinion was entirely opposite, and that the chairman chose to take the fans' angle.

Pardew stated that the players had been brave to take the field and that he wouldn't have been able to play under those conditions - in his opinion the fans' actions were disgusting and affected the performance of his players. The players probably were affected by the swinging of pants throughout the Madejski Stadium - but not neccessarily in a bad way, as for periods of the match Reading played some pretty decent football.

PANTS. The letters could have stood for many things - but the most popular was "Players Are Not Trying Suficiently(sic)". Today that might have been true for periods of the game, but at the end every Reading player was simply gutted they hadn't got the victory they deserved. At times all we did was try but without success. It wasn't a bad game. The pants added loads to the entertainment value - but even without them it would have been one of the better games this season with Reading trying to win it and an away side also looking for the full three points. However, it's still unacceptable to draw at home against fellow relegation candidates, and those that wish to complain will find plenty to complain about.

Although there were plenty of pants on display, it seemed many had cautiously stashed a pair or two away in pockets ready for use if needed. For a brief (sorry) moment it seemed as though the day would be an anti-climax. But then, just before kick-off, a couple of scattered groups started to swing their pants above their heads, eventually it spread until the entire East Stand were swinging pants as the teams came out - even people in the West and North stands were swinging away.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 02:40:14 AM
I like the PANTS idea.  Humorous and I’d imagine it’d create quite a buzz in the stadium which hopefully will not affect the players.  A pair should also be posted to randy so he knows the content of the protest (whatever that maybe).
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Summers on April 16, 2012, 08:27:38 AM
That's a great idea.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: supertom on April 16, 2012, 08:40:12 AM
"Come on pookie, lets burn this mutha fucka down!"
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 16, 2012, 08:53:09 AM
When we play Spurs im in las vegas but I'll protest by not watching (not only that it's on about 7am)
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 16, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
or we could all buy plastic dog shit from the joke shop and hold it up for 90 minscus thats what we have been served for 18 months
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: villanic on April 16, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
"Come on pookie, lets burn this mutha fucka down!"

Think i might go to white castle rather than the Sunderland game. :D
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 04:38:51 PM
I like the idea of white flags.

We give up Randy, you win. You can have the club.

That's the reason I don't like the white flags. Why should we, the supporters who will be here after McLeish and Lerner have long gone, be seen to be giving up?
I did like the Underpant protest one club did a few years back, that had humour and got the point over, something like that?

Come off it coops you just want a chance to show us your knickers!
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: phantom limb on April 16, 2012, 07:14:01 PM
I like the PANTS idea.  Humorous and I’d imagine it’d create quite a buzz in the stadium which hopefully will not affect the players.  A pair should also be posted to randy so he knows the content of the protest (whatever that maybe).

I think thousands of skiddy pants would represent a good summation of the season so far under Alex McLeish.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 16, 2012, 07:45:38 PM
I really don't want to see waggling Cooper under crackers.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 09:19:23 PM
When we play Spurs im in las vegas but I'll protest by not watching (not only that it's on about 7am)

The Crown and Anchor will have it on Phil, you're not getting away with it that easily.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: preston28 on April 16, 2012, 09:29:13 PM
I bought tickets for the spuds game wondering as it is the final home game if there would be soe sort of protest.

I'm now bringing my undercrackers!
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 17, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
I really don't want to see waggling Cooper under crackers.

Again.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: villajk on April 17, 2012, 10:49:21 AM
Latest protest for Saturday.


http://mcleishout.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mcleishout.pdf

They want people to print these off and take to ground.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: not3bad on April 17, 2012, 10:57:13 AM
Thing is MON will be there sniggering under his breath if he sees those.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
Latest protest for Saturday.


http://mcleishout.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mcleishout.pdf

They want people to print these off and take to ground.

Bloody cheapskates, back in the good days of AVISA, Deadly protests and the £ sign protest, we printed them out ourselves and gave them to the fans at the ground.

That's the trouble with the modern protesters, they just don't take the time to do things right. Tsk tsk
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: MarkM on April 17, 2012, 11:02:20 AM
If the players are planning a last home game of the season lap of honour why dont we all just bugger off home at the final wistle and let them walk around and empty stadium.

That would send them all a strong message
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: newtonsballs on April 17, 2012, 11:09:21 AM
If the players are planning a last home game of the season lap of honour why dont we all just bugger off home at the final wistle and let them walk around and empty stadium.

That would send them all a strong message

A Ghandi style protest - I like it, silence is the most powerful noise.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 17, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
We should all stay for the lap and not make any noise at all.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: MarkM on April 17, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
We should all stay for the lap and not make any noise at all.

Or turn our backs?
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 17, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
I'm saving any protest until we are definitely staying up, if we stay up.
If we are mathematically safe by the time we kick off against Spurs then I have no problem with Mcleish out banners and protests chants during the game from kick off to full time. Anti-Lerner protests too as far as I am concerned. Let all your pent up anger and frustration out I say !

But what will probably happen is we are playing out a dire 2-0 defeat at Norwich and going down. Its all on Sky of course - Survival Sunday ! Then with 2 minutes to go, cameras pan to Villa fans in ecstatic celebration. News has filtered through from the Etihad stadium, Milner has come off the bench and scored to put Man City 1-0 up against QPR. QPR go down with Blackburn and Wolves, Villa stay up! Full time ! Our manager punches the air in jubilation ! Players embrace, Villa fans invade the pitch lifting their heroes on their shoulders - oh the drama, the joy !
McLeish after the game is interviewed in upbeat victorious mood "Our players have showed great character, fight, and determination today. What an incredible season it has been. This is a marvellous day in the history of Aston Villa. Just listen to the joy of our fans out there. Next week I will fly over to the States to see Mr Lerner who I have just spoke to on the phone. From tomorrow morning, I start laying plans for the next campaign."

Enjoy the close season everybody.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: TaxDodger on April 17, 2012, 12:16:01 PM
If the players are planning a last home game of the season lap of honour why dont we all just bugger off home at the final wistle and let them walk around and empty stadium.

That would send them all a strong message

I think that's quite likely to happen. Unless lots of people stay behind to heckle McLeish.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:19:06 PM
Latest protest for Saturday.


http://mcleishout.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mcleishout.pdf

They want people to print these off and take to ground.

Once we're safe then fine, but Saturday is not the time.
Title: Re: Protest what Protest?
Post by: villajk on April 17, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Latest protest for Saturday.


http://mcleishout.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mcleishout.pdf

They want people to print these off and take to ground.

Once we're safe then fine, but Saturday is not the time.

Agreed.
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