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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
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Available Sunday evening.
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Remarkable
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Predictably shit.
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As expected awful. We are truly one of the worst teams I've seen play in a while. I know we are not at the bottom, but we offer absolutely nothing. Predictably embarrassing. Pull the fucking trigger Randy.
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How can McLeish, as a man, continue to manage us?
Surely any self-respecting man would come out and say, it's not working and it's not going to work, so I'm leaving.
How can he turn up everyday and continue like this? I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
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Sighs.
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Utter wank - bloody Heskey inproved us...
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HOLD ON..........
Before you all start, remember
They are an elite club, they have a different agenda to us.
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How can McLeish, as a man, continue to manage us?
Surely any self-respecting man would come out and say, it's not working and it's not going to work, so I'm leaving.
How can he turn up everyday and continue like this? I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
Its called having your contract paid off
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I only caught the last 20 minutes or so. The only positive O can draw is the youngsters look confident and the experience they have gained this season should be an asset next year.
We can't progress with this manager though.
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The token late goal conceeded.
If we do nothing else next season, it might be an idea to address that consistent weak spot.
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Did we expect anything different?
We're just completely out of United's league and we were never going to get anything out of this game; as much as it absolutely kills me to admit.
We're in hell right now, gentleman.
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I shall repeat my comment from earlier in the week that we are the worst team on current form in the division apart from Wolves
No doubt some barking mad nutter will dispute that as they did previously
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How can McLeish, as a man, continue to manage us?
Surely any self-respecting man would come out and say, it's not working and it's not going to work, so I'm leaving.
How can he turn up everyday and continue like this? I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
Its called having your contract paid off
I'd say it's called not having a conscience.
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With the exception of Wolves we are easily the worst side in the PL. We'll get what we deserve.
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No point getting too down, we all expected nothing and we got it. Still doesn't change anything as far as the bigger picture is concerned.
Thought Lichaj did ok considering. Would honestly consider playing Heskey up top for a few games simply to give us a base in the opposing third as the ball just doesn't stick with Weimann and Gabby.
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Notwithstanding injuries and illnesses, we have become a very poor side. Today's defeat was no more than expected, and I still think we'll stay up - just. Next season however....
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Sadly we got what we expected, thrashed by a team that never broke sweat.
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I'm going to let Darren Woolley speak for me on this. I didn't see the game, I don't know anything about it and I don't want to.
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No complaints in many ways I actually thought we were unlucky. Never a pen, unlucky defensive error and a deflection-each time we were beginning to play well and they score.
Promising display from many of the youngsters but clear gap in class was what we expected really.
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Worst I've ever seen us. Changes has to happen or we will drop like a rock. Question is whether Randy places his ego higher then the club?
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Fucked over by a team who didn't break sweat. Training game for them/
No heart, no passion, no quality on display from us.
How good are our players - well we need a decent manager to give us a real baseline because the last 2 have been shit, the latter absolutely so.
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Positives?
We didn`t concede from a corner
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Actually I take back my earlier statement - would we have got a point at Sunderland yesterday?
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In the words of Fergie - well done McLeish that was 'remarkable'!
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I only caught the last 20 minutes or so. The only positive O can draw is the youngsters look confident and the experience they have gained this season should be an asset next year.
We can't progress with this manager though.
IV, my biggest concern is that what AM is doing will kill thse kids.
There is some real talent there, but he is not developing them, he is exposing them to failure, pressure and blame.
He is going the fuck them up if we are not careful.
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Time to drop Gabby and take Gardner out of the firing line?
Well done to everyone who traveled up there. You have my respect.
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It's never going to get any better is it? Short of getting Man City type money we're never going to be capable of competing for anything. The difference in class today between ourselves and United was heartbreaking, we're not just a long way behind the top clubs, we're barely playing the same sport.
edit: Whose fucking stupid idea was the 'post review' that pops up when others have posted before you've sent yours? I've just had to resend this post four times because new replies had been added to the thread while I was typing. What fucking muppet thought that would be a good idea on a busy forum??
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I m doubly gutted. I was going to have a bet on 4-0 but didnt bother!!!
Oh and Mcleish OUT!!
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We are a million miles behind them mentally and talent wise. And I'm not talking about the players.
I hope Randy comes to his senses and uses that letter from Ferguson to wipe his arse tonight. Do the right thing Mr Lerner.
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Move of the same old shit.
Been like this since O'Neill left. I am numb to it
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Worst I've ever seen us. Changes has to happen or we will drop like a rock. Question is whether Randy places his ego higher then the club?
Have you supported Villa before today?
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Totally lacking in any desire or pride, never mind tactics or technical ability.
We have 2 home games now against an out of form Sunderland and another relegation contender, no points from either of those and I think we will go down.
We have no fight in us and I am VERY worried, but if we keep playing like that we DESERVE to go down
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We need a new manager and a No2, then we can start to breath again.
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McLeish looked about as bothered by losing as if he'd just broken a nail
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As expected awful. We are truly one of the worst teams I've seen play in a while. I know we are not at the bottom, but we offer absolutely nothing. Predictably embarrassing. Pull the fucking trigger Randy.
Anyone fancy a twitter trend? #pullthetriggerrandy
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Dreadfu,l inept, embarrassing and shit!
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I trust McLeish got his well-earned pat on the back from Ferguson. Lerner will be pleased.
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If we keep this bloke on, it will be a decision of fuckwittedness and arrogance from Lerner of the highest order.
I used to think we weren't the worst Villa side I had seen, just the most spineless. Now I am not too sure.
A season of quite excruciating embarrassment. That is the word for it, and that is the worst bit.
The most depressing thing is that Lerner probably thinks this is acceptable. If he does, then he really hasn't understood the first thing about this club.
If McLeish is here (he will be) and we stay up, I am going to lump at least a hundred quid on us going down next year.
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McLeish looked about as bothered by losing as if he'd just broken a nail
I didn't think he looked that bothered.
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I left at half time never been so pissed off supporting my club, no tactics, no passing no movement. It's a disgrace
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I only caught the last 20 minutes or so. The only positive O can draw is the youngsters look confident and the experience they have gained this season should be an asset next year.
We can't progress with this manager though.
IV, my biggest concern is that what AM is doing will kill thse kids.
There is some real talent there, but he is not developing them, he is exposing them to failure, pressure and blame.
He is going the fuck them up if we are not careful.
I said something similar on an anti-McLeish thread. It's good the kids are getting experience, but I do not want him taking charge of them. Like, as you say, it must be demoralising for them. Imagine what a top manager would do for those gems.
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Football is fucking depressing at the moment.
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We're piss poor but will just about survive if we can beat Bolton, otherwise, I think we might just get the last relegation place.
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I m doubly gutted. I was going to have a bet on 4-0 but didnt bother!!!
Oh and Mcleish OUT!!
Ouch!
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If we keep this bloke on, it will be a decision of fuckwittedness and arrogance from Lerner of the highest order.
I used to think we weren't the worst Villa side I had seen, just the most spineless. Now I am not too sure.
A season of quite excruciating embarrassment. That is the word for it, and that is the worst bit.
The most depressing thing is that Lerner probably thinks this is acceptable. If he does, then he really hasn't understood the first thing about this club.
If McLeish is here (he will be) and we stay up, I am going to lump at least a hundred quid on us going down next year.
Spot on......I just can't see what Lerner is hoping to achieve, this is the squad, he (AM) can't do anything with it, we will get relegated eventually like this, so does RL want to give this bloke 25+ML to buy players in the hope he turns it around, surely the first action is to get rid of the manager.
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Worst I've ever seen us. Changes has to happen or we will drop like a rock. Question is whether Randy places his ego higher then the club?
Have you supported Villa before today?
It has been much worse than this....and here's the bad news it will probably have to get much worse before anything changes.....keep the faith.....it will eventually get better
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It was pretty one-sided, but there were still some positives.
Baker looks to be a good centre half in the making. Lichaj was solid again and I liked the way Carruthers moved the ball around when he came on. Weimann worked his swingers off ans also looks a good player approaching his time.
Set against this, some players should have ddelivered but didn't. Gabby looked disinterested at best and despite his heroic challenge on Shithead, Hutton must be one of the most vulnerable full backs in the league. Barry Bannan has gone backwards very quickly.
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Its not fight we lack and you cant fault the effort but when you are set up so negatively what else do you expect. such a predictable result
im waiting for AM to blame the ref and the penalty decision for the result :'(
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I only caught the last 20 minutes or so. The only positive O can draw is the youngsters look confident and the experience they have gained this season should be an asset next year.
We can't progress with this manager though.
IV, my biggest concern is that what AM is doing will kill thse kids.
There is some real talent there, but he is not developing them, he is exposing them to failure, pressure and blame.
He is going the fuck them up if we are not careful.
I said something similar on an anti-McLeish thread. It's good the kids are getting experience, but I do not want him taking charge of them. Like, as you say, it must be demoralising for them. Imagine what a top manager would do for those gems.
It's the lasting damage that is a bigger concern, has destroyed the team and will destroy the future. Randy has no concept of relegation and how tough it would be to recover
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It was nice to see Ireland having a laugh with Rooney at the final whistle, maybe morale isn't as bad as we thought?
Oh.
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Does anybody still think Gabby is worth playing week in week out?
A team that can't keep the ball or pass the ball to each other.
Gabby......awful
GG.........terrible
Bannan.........too weak
Clark..........too slow.
Collins MOM, Eric , Baker and Weimann ok, Carruthers looks a good little player..
Are we shit because of the manager or because of the players, a little bit of both i'm afraid.
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I think we stand a good chance of gettin relegated next season with this twat, 1 win in 12 we haven't scored from a set piece this season and It's our lowest ever points total at this stage
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Martin O'Neill must be deep in thought. Not about how to counter Villa's strengths. About whether Gardner will score more than one in a Mackems away win next Saturday.
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Judging by the reaction on here and from other fans I have spoken to the manager should be shamed into falling on his sword.
Same approach, some result, same post match interview, that's why people are loosing interest.
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I shall repeat my comment from earlier in the week that we are the worst team on current form in the division apart from Wolves
No doubt some barking mad nutter will dispute that as they did previously
We definitely are.
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I didn't expect anything else from the game,but the fact that Utd didn't have to get out of first gear to turn us over is pretty depressing. And by now Mccleish is probably having a glass of wine with Ferguson,congratulating each other on a job well done.
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Everything about that was predictable, they get a dodgy penalty, we play the game without any strategy or tactics, a number of our senior players dont give a fuck a few of our youngsters Bannan and Gardner are not good enough. Manure beat us at walking pace, we concede a late goal.
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Have to agree about Gabby. We started with 7 home grown players on the pitch - Gabby has more experience than the other six put together and has the captains armband. He more than anybody should be leading these kids by example.
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Fuck him and the fucking clueless board.
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Have to agree about Gabby. We started with 7 home grown players on the pitch - Gabby has more experience than the other six put together and has the captains armband. He more than anybody should be leading these kids by example.
He's lost interest, I think Gabby's days at Villa are numbered, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the deal hadn't already been done, if you look at his performance you know something is not quite right, he's just treading water till the end of the season.
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It's like the blind leading the blind
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It's like the blind leading the blind
Didn't think we where that good.
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edit: Whose fucking stupid idea was the 'post review' that pops up when others have posted before you've sent yours? I've just had to resend this post four times because new replies had been added to the thread while I was typing. What fucking muppet thought that would be a good idea on a busy forum??
You can disable it in your profile options, you fucking muppet.
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One sure sign of just how crap it is, even the thread as run out of energy....
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I think we've got a good side - we're just playing at least one league higher than we can manage.
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I'm going to let Darren Woolley speak for me on this. I didn't see the game, I don't know anything about it and I don't want to.
Good answer Damon. I agree.
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I didn't expect anything else from the game,but the fact that Utd didn't have to get out of first gear to turn us over is pretty depressing. And by now Mccleish is probably having a glass of wine with Ferguson,congratulating each other on a job well done.
I suspect McLeish has lubed himself up for something more than a glass of wine from SRAlex
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One sure sign of just how crap it is, even the thread as run out of energy....
They've killed enjoyment.
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I'm sitting looking at two unused tickets for today's match. Couldn't be bothered to go, couldn't be bothered to really try and sell them. Says it all really.
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How can McLeish, as a man, continue to manage us?
Surely any self-respecting man would come out and say, it's not working and it's not going to work, so I'm leaving.
How can he turn up everyday and continue like this? I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
Its called having your contract paid off
20th best manager's contract in world football .....?!
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Groundhog Day.....
Made me think of Billy McNeill a la 1987 darkest days fame, especially when I saw 'our coach' clapping Rooney off.
We are a joke.
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I didn't expect anything else from the game,but the fact that Utd didn't have to get out of first gear to turn us over is pretty depressing. And by now Mccleish is probably having a glass of wine with Ferguson,congratulating each other on a job well done.
I suspect McLeish has lubed himself up for something more than a glass of wine from SRAlex
I hope he fuck some sense into him
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How can McLeish, as a man, continue to manage us?
Surely any self-respecting man would come out and say, it's not working and it's not going to work, so I'm leaving.
How can he turn up everyday and continue like this? I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
Its called having your contract paid off
20th best manager's contract in world football .....?!
That's incredible, what does Randy Lerner think he was doing.
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so glad I chose not to watch that, this is the first season ever that I would rather not watch us, I've seen some desperate times, the '68-'69 season when 'the board must go ' echoed around the ground and we hadn't got a pot to piss in , but then Ellis and the Doc came and for a few months the pride came back (full house against Santos ).
The folowing season we got relegated to the old Third Division but we were still a proud club and those days were some of the best supporting us.
The graham Turner era whiuch eventually ended in relegation via Billy McNeill , but within a few months Sir Graham Taylor took over and again we got our pride back.
The O'leary final year was bad, but again the following season O'Neil came and we thought we had a future.
BUT THIS IS FAR WORSE THAN ANYTHING IN TERMS OF A LACK OF PRIDE AND HOPE THAT WE CAN RISE AGAIN! SACK HIM NOW PLEEEEEEEAAAASE !!!
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What the hell is Weimann's role on the left flank? He was so deep in the latter stages of the first half, I don't understand how that plays to his attributes at all. Gabby didn't get behind their defense a single time. He couldn't run past Ferdinand a god damn time, truly unbelievable.
Despite how unorganized our defense was, which I want to put on the shoulders of Eck and Given, I thought Lichaj and Baker played pretty well. Lichaj was getting a lot of stick on my Twitter feed, but I thought he made 8 or 9 great stops on Valencia.
I just don't get it. I don't know where we go from here.
N'Zogbia on the bench until the 83rd minute when we are multiple multiple goals down. It blows my mind. How can we get any service into our striker without a single winger on the pitch.
Emile Heskey was our best player today, and I want to apologize for giving him some lip throughout the season. Even if I'm not even half as bad as some of the Vila faithful. He brought a different dynamic to our game today that really made Rio/Evans respect our attack... for 10 minutes.
We didn't concede from a corner, I guess that's a good thing.
Samir Carruthers and Charles N'Zogbia have to get more time in the game against Sunderland. I'm expecting to lose that game with how morale is at the moment. Hopefully, we can turn it around on the hop and get something against MXN.
Today hurt, a lot. And I hope you were watching Randy.
Thanks for a wonderful season, cheers.
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
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I didn't expect anything else from the game,but the fact that Utd didn't have to get out of first gear to turn us over is pretty depressing. And by now Mccleish is probably having a glass of wine with Ferguson,congratulating each other on a job well done.
I suspect McLeish has lubed himself up for something more than a glass of wine from SRAlex
I hope he fuck some sense into him
I'd say he'll probably bang his brains out but that would be impossible where McLeish is concerned.
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Missed the match but just seen the goals. I'm sick and tired of fuckwit pundits saying "it's a penalty because there was contact". Yes I'm looking at you Dwight Dorke and Ray Wilkins. No it isn't you fucking morons, it's a contact sport and it has to be a foul for it to be a penalty. And I'm sick of fuckwit referees reading it the same way. Ashley Young deliberately treading on Clarke's toe and then launching into an arc dive is not a foul and not a penalty. But the ref couldn't point to the spot quickly enough. I thought Young was a diving cheating c**t when he played for us, but there are actually people who claim he's not a diver. Well that's twice in a week now, but at least he was onside this time. Perhaps the scummy little turd's apologists will see the blindingly obvious one of these days. If football carries on down this road it won't be long before I've had it with the game.
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
The club is in big trouble and when you go down this road it will only get worse, its dishonest football we are watching.
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No passion, desire, passes going astray - you name it. Why the fuck didn't he start Cuellar? surely you want experience at OT? Plus he's our best defender - something both Houllier before and McLeish now fail to realise - and they can't be arsed to offer him a new contract. The club is an absolute disgrace from top to bottom - particularly at the top! The one glimmer was young Carruthers who showed some nice touches. Lerner, McLeish and Faulkmer - fuck off the lot of you!!!
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It's never going to get any better is it? Short of getting Man City type money we're never going to be capable of competing for anything. The difference in class today between ourselves and United was heartbreaking, we're not just a long way behind the top clubs, we're barely playing the same sport.
edit: Whose fucking stupid idea was the 'post review' that pops up when others have posted before you've sent yours? I've just had to resend this post four times because new replies had been added to the thread while I was typing. What fucking muppet thought that would be a good idea on a busy forum??
Yes, it's annoying but it's a standard feature which can be turned off on your profile settings.
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He wont go even if we go down, we cannot afford to pay him off.
Apparently, Mickey Mouse wears an Aston Villa watch.
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
The club is in big trouble and when you go down this road it will only get worse, its dishonest football we are watching.
Totally agree- randy lerner is an absolute idiot to trust his money and assets to faulkner and mcleish- we are an absolute shambles on many fronts!
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
The club is in big trouble and when you go down this road it will only get worse, its dishonest football we are watching.
Totally agree- randy lerner is an absolute idiot to trust his money and assets to faulkner and mcleish- we are an absolute shambles on many fronts!
Haha, the only good thing here is that there is no money....
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No fun, no positivity and not much hope all season. This will carry on until RL realises that he's appointed a manager on a par with Billy McNeil which will see us going the same way....
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Some posters have been suggesting they have it on the inside track that McLeish will be gone.
I'm clinging to that as the one glimmer of hope we have.
Down next season otherwise.
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
I would not be remotely surprised if we didn't. We have a manager who genuinely manages to look like he doesn't want to win games. He plays for a point.
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We finished bottom in 1987 under Billy Mac, at least we won't be doing so this time.
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sadly all the posts here are right.... can't agree more with them.... :-[ we're screwed
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Anybody heard any post match Mcleish reaction yet ?
No doubt it will be the usual garbage we are used to, just like the garbage we are used to having served up on the pitch week in week out.
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If this clown sticks around,how long will it take for the young players to lose all their good habits that they've picked up from Kev Mac and Sid ? The slow passing and lack of movement was frightening,Gab has lost all self belief,doesn't even use his pace anymore.
For once,id love to know what El Presidente thinks of all this? He'd never put up with these repeated performances.
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How did Stephen Ireland not get a run with Houllier?
He plays decent football, actual football.
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Some posters have been suggesting they have it on the inside track that McLeish will be gone.
I'm clinging to that as the one glimmer of hope we have.
Down next season otherwise.
Ive heard this too but if they are going to boot him out then why not do it now?
The fans and club would be lifted by his departure and kev mac and sid know these players well and woild be able to hold the fort for the final 5 games.
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Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish's view of Ashley Young's penalty: It was a soft penalty because Ciaran Clark has tried to pull his foot away and Ashley Young has gone looking for his leg, he won a penalty that I don't think it was derserved."
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Anybody heard any post match Mcleish reaction yet ?
No doubt it will be the usual garbage we are used to, just like the garbage we are used to having served up on the pitch week in week out.
Play like we played in the last home game and we will be ok he said!
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How did Stephen Ireland not get a run with Houllier?
He plays decent football, actual football.
yes and the way he stood and admired their third goal was brilliant.
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and as for the other goals....?
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Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish's view of Ashley Young's penalty: It was a soft penalty because Ciaran Clark has tried to pull his foot away and Ashley Young has gone looking for his leg, he won a penalty that I don't think it was derserved."
fair statement.
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Anybody heard any post match Mcleish reaction yet ?
No doubt it will be the usual garbage we are used to, just like the garbage we are used to having served up on the pitch week in week out.
Just heard him on GOLD on how it wasnt a penalty, how proud he is of the kids, how he thought we did OK against a far superior team, how he thinks we will get 6 points from our remaining fixtures, how he zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Some posters have been suggesting they have it on the inside track that McLeish will be gone.
I'm clinging to that as the one glimmer of hope we have.
Down next season otherwise.
I live in hope.
That is all I got.
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*to the tune of London Bridge is falling down*
Ashley Young is falling down, falling down, falling down. Ashley Young is falling down, oh look a penalty.
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Now Dwight Yorke thinks we can't win any other games!
I would not be remotely surprised if we didn't. We have a manager who genuinely manages to look like he doesn't want to win games. He plays for a point.
Although for some reason some fans seem alright with this. It isn't whinging fans being negative for the sake of it, we truly are terrible and Mcleish needs to go. If he doesn't we are gone next year, I don't think I could handle another season of these 'performances'.
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Well we came we expected we received. This man has reduced us to a Small Heath in Claret and Blue.
Yes Fergie McLeish is doing a fabulous job at Villa.
Is there any hope?
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Doesn't get any better the more you watch it does it?
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Anybody heard any post match Mcleish reaction yet ?
No doubt it will be the usual garbage we are used to, just like the garbage we are used to having served up on the pitch week in week out.
Just heard him on GOLD on how it wasn't a penalty, how proud he is of the kids, how he thought we did OK against a far superior team, how he thinks we will get 6 points from our remaining fixtures, how he zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
This season has been an acceptance of apathy. Can anyone recall another Villa manager that never had his name sung once during his tenure?
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this quote hits home the reality of the situation:
Villa remain in trouble, six points clear of third-bottom Bolton, who have a game in hand and must also visit Villa Park.
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hang your head in shame but you wont
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Goals etc (http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/england/young-dive-rooney-2-welbeck-nani-guide-manchester-united-to-easy-4-0-win-over-aston-villa/)
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It's like the blind leading the blind
THATS IT!!! Stick a bell in the ball ;)
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Has he done the decent thing yet? It could, realistically, have been 7 or 8 today we were that poor.
Nzogbia was coming into form a few games ago, and then was injured and now dropped for some reason. We have not attacking threat apart from Weiman, who should be playing down the middle, Gabby is in the poorest run of form I have seen from him, and considering he is a peaks and troughs type, that is saying something.
I understand that it was men and boys today with the amount of kids in the side, but there were options of senior players, Heskey, Cuellar, NZogbia sat on the bench could have started for some of the younger ones, so he can't hide behind it as an excuse. There is no pattern to our forward play at all, and Dean Sturridge on Sky the other day against Stoke said that we don't seem to have any real focused manner about our attack, no set ideas or thoughts of how to get forward. He is spot on. There is no tactical organisation at all, from back to front. The least you can expect from kids is energy and enthusiasm, but there was no high tempo closing even?!
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Just seen drogbas goal....fucking hell !!!
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At least United have finally replaced Cristiano Ronaldo with this detestable twat who goes down faster than Karren Brady.
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Have to agree about Gabby. We started with 7 home grown players on the pitch - Gabby has more experience than the other six put together and has the captains armband. He more than anybody should be leading these kids by example.
Captain gabby was first off the pitch without acknowledging the travelling support
He is not worth a shirt - hasn't been for months
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Anybody heard any post match Mcleish reaction yet ?
No doubt it will be the usual garbage we are used to, just like the garbage we are used to having served up on the pitch week in week out.
Just heard him on GOLD on how it wasn't a penalty, how proud he is of the kids, how he thought we did OK against a far superior team, how he thinks we will get 6 points from our remaining fixtures, how he zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
This season has been an acceptance of apathy. Can anyone recall another Villa manager that never had his name sung once during his tenure?
Im my time time possibly Dick Taylor and Tommy Cummings. But then again, its a long time ago and I was only a kid.
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Fucking furious.
Ashley Young is a classless ****** who has no respect for the football club that got him where he is today.
Alex McLeish is a clueless, dim witted, buffoon who is destroying the heart and soul of our football club. We're not safe, he took Blues down from a "better position" than this. People, our fucking board including, need to wake up and realize how shit things are right now.
We were shit. We played shit, he looked shit. As usual. Talented football players played out of position and told to defend our box for 90 minutes. Fantastic tactics.
I HATE McLeish. I loathe him. He needs to get the fuck out of our beautiful club, now.
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I HATE McLeish. I loathe him. He needs to get the fuck out of our beautiful club, now.
Well said. The mere sight of him in our dug out makes me furious.
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I HATE McLeish. I loathe him. He needs to get the fuck out of our beautiful club, now.
Well said. The mere sight of him in our dug out makes me furious.
I hate Randy more, at this time to be honest He's more spineless than McLeish
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It was nice to see Ireland having a laugh with Rooney at the final whistle, maybe morale isn't as bad as we thought?
Oh.
swaping hair transplant and wig makers phone numbers
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This is worse than anything I have experienced in 65 years. Worse to endure. Worst to get through. Worst to live with.
We have had dozens of worse players than those who wore the shirt today. We have played dozens of games in which we were worse than we were today. We have even had managers as bad - in their own ways - as McLeish. What sets this season apart from the 64 others I have witnessed was summed up in a word by Mazrim a few days ago. That word is predictable.
I have never experienced such empty hopelessness as I do at the moment. The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire. He lives a long way away. He gives every impression that he no longer cares for the club he bought. Nobody knows what the plan is for the future or even if there is a plan. Those of us who love the club have to survive on scraps of rumour and hearsay. It is for all the world as though we, the fans do not exist. The manager has been appointed. The manager has been given his orders. The board has been appointed. The board has been given its orders. Where do the supporters figure in that? Answer. They don't.
From the very instant that we were told that McLeish was to be our manager everything which has happened and which continues to happen including the game today and the facile and patronizing comments by Ferguson about McLeish were totally predictable.
When Gerry Francis was made England captain back in the day, the Guardian ran a headline "Adrift with a stoker at the wheel". We have nobody at the wheel because all the real power is vested in Randy Lerner and to all intents and purposes as far as Villa are concerned he is dead.
All of this, the relegation spectre, the truly awful football, the shrinking gates, the demoralized players, the good hidings from competent teams and scraped draws against the dross is all so entirely and cruelly predictable. Alas so is nothing being done until we are relegated. Not being relegated is now our Champions League.
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Top post as usual Brian.
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I'm just hoping we can bore draw our way to safety. It's next season i'm worried about. I fancy us to get relegated, I really do. And nobody could say its not been coming. From before mcleish started, but massively exacerbated by him.
We've had bad luck of late injury wise. But the point is our run of easy I tires earlier on should have seen us well safe by now
But the thing I find most depressing is that I don't think mcleish would agree we've been playing badly
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I think it is the fact that, even with markedly better players available (which you could say was the state of play earlier this season when we had few injuries), we have a manager who would just do the same thing.
That is what makes it so hopeless.
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Also Ireland joking with Rooney is nowhere near as bad, to me, as all the subs joking with Young. The man who just dived against his old club full of friends.
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Yes Brian, bang on the money. It is now so depressingly predictable. I didn't even really get annoyed when Ashley dived, as we were inevitably going to lose without even a whimper.
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Also Ireland joking with Rooney is nowhere near as bad, to me, as all the subs joking with Young. The man who just dived against his old club full of friends.
I doubt any of them gave a shit really.
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But the thing I find most depressing is that I don't think mcleish would agree we've been playing badly
he's on record saying we haven't been playing badly I'm afraid and that he didnt think the results had been too bad
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And that's what annoys me.
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I HATE McLeish. I loathe him. He needs to get the fuck out of our beautiful club, now.
Well said. The mere sight of him in our dug out makes me furious.
Yep, if I hear his voice on the TV or radio I have to change the channel. I'm thinking about buying a magnum of champagne for the day he finally slinks off back under his rock.
I'm not surprised or upset by the performance at all. It was exactly what I expected and exactly what I got. I thought Given and Baker were our two best players which says something considering the extent of our defeat. Gabby was absolutely shit. Unbelievably so, no leadership and no fucking effort which is absolutely abysmal from a captain. He's been so poor for so long he genuinely doesn't deserve to be in a team as shit as ours which is saying quite something.
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Seeing our first team coach clapping Rooney off when he was subbed did it for me. What the fcuk is going on?
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Definitely 'nearly a draw' in McL-speak against opposition of that cal-i-bre.
We got away lightly! But i did put a quid on for Villa 2-0 @ 50-1..maybe that's what did it?
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Oh, and Young is a ******. You'd hope that he'd at least have the decency to spare the cheating against the club that made him the player he is.
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Seeing our first team coach clapping Rooney off when he was subbed did it for me. What the fcuk is going on?
You are joking I hope?
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As a fan since mid 60s I can only say, Brilliant and accurate post Brian! Woefully awful McLoser.
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This is the worst Villa team I can remember (our last relegation side might've been worse but I can't remember much it).
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Seeing our first team coach clapping Rooney off when he was subbed did it for me. What the fcuk is going on?
I hate that and also our players laughing and joking with another team having just been drilled another oriface in their arse.
Those of you who were watching to the bitter end did any of them asked for GIANTS shirts?
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Meh.
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Some of the best ale I've had for ages. Up and down 8 floors in a lift to our seats. Didn't need to stand to see the game.
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Oh, and Young is a c***. You'd hope that he'd at least have the decency to spare the cheating against the club that made him the player he is.
Other teams don't need to cheat to beat us these days anyway, we're that bad. It was so blatant for a moment I thought Halsey was going to book him for diving, and then the camera angle changed and showed Rooney placing the ball on the spot...
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Sadly predictable.
I expected a heavy defeat and a shit performance and we didn't fail to deliver
Move on to next week and we simply have to pick up something v Sunderland
Oh and those who thought losing Bent was a good thing and Gabby leading the line was going to fire us up the league; not really happening is it? He needs dropping, start Heskey with Weimann and give the captaincy to Collins
After backing Sunnyhillboy in the National this performance caps off a pretty shit weekend all round
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yeah its true the Young dive didn't even bother me its not like it altered the course of the game
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Well what a perfect end to the Easter holiday...
Can't be bothered to read the thread as I'm sure it will be all much of a muchness. Predictable same old...
As for Ashley Young... well he just did what he spent the best part of the previous two seasons for us. Only difference is that the referee bought it.
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Just heard McTwat on the BBC waxing his candle while talking about the Theatre of Dreams and how world class United are. What a deplorable attitude that buffoon has for a football manager in this league.
I'm developing a real dislike for him.
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Just heard McTwat on the BBC waxing his candle while talking about the Theatre of Dreams and how world class United are. What a deplorable attitude that buffoon has for a football manager in this league.
I'm developing a real dislike for him.
Yep. Awful.
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Just heard McTwat on the BBC waxing his candle while talking about the Theatre of Dreams and how world class United are. What a deplorable attitude that buffoon has for a football manager in this league.
I'm developing a real dislike for him.
Did he really use the phrase 'th o d' ?
I thought it was only Ron toss who used that ?
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I imagine he presented his former gaffer a beautifully ironed white flag prior to the game too.
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I just don't get why he didn't just give it a go?
We all assumed we would loose anyway so why not have a pop at them.
As corporal Jones says "They don't like it up em!" so why not just roll the dice and at least try and get a six. Didn't McShit watch the United Wigan game?
Instead we play defensive formation that everyone knew would give Man Ure the ball
Young is a twat, but we would have lost even without his swan dive
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The Theatre of Dreams used to be Villa Park. It's a fucking morgue now.
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Just back from a great weekend in London. Loads of scousers yesterday out having fun. Followed the game on the match thread on the train back and no surprises. The management are totally uninspiring and we are approaching the end game. The players and management should be hurting and angry and not congratulating and praising the opposition is an unacceptable disgrace. I really fear going into the next 2 games with McFuckwit and Grant and pray a miracle happens. I know it won't and Randy will be silent and let it all unravel. God help us.
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I imagine he presented his former gaffer a beautifully ironed white flag prior to the game too.
Draped over his fore arm when he served his ex boss his first bottle of wine.
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Did we really expect anything else from today?Manyoooo lose against Wigan and there is going to be a backlash against any team they play next at home.We just need to stop up this season and let the young lads on the pitch get some experience,get rid of this useless tosshead of a manager and then next season we might just suprise a few people.the team is not a bad one,they just need a leader of the pitch and a leader on it and at the moment we have neither.I just hope we dont fold and give up after this game,cause then we are proper fucked!
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yeah its true the Young dive didn't even bother me its not like it altered the course of the game
You can get tablets for this, you know.
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Excellent post BG.
What do we expect, we have an owner that has a track record of being a very bad Sports Club owner, a manager that has a very bad track record in terms of leadership tactics and success and a CEO who looks and sounds like a bloke that you would find running a very monor branch of Currys.
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Sometime you have to balance things up. We played a very strong team, at their place, we played a load of young kids etc. And I can imagine Mcshit telling his players "you're not likely to get anything out of todays boys so don't bust a gut and go getting injured, we've got more important games to come".
I think many of the players may have taken him at his word and helped him run that white flag up the pole before the game. Agbonlahor as Captain is a joke, unless Mcshit wants him to learn about responsibility? Today, he was disinterested, fucking useless.
Bannan, Hutton, Lichaj, Baker and Collins were all poor. The only bright spot today for me was the little cameo role Carruthers played towards the end. To lose 4-0 at United might not be completely unexpected, but the manner of the defeat is still gripping my shit. McLeish's tongue up Ferguson's arse is also tough to take. I hate both of them. McLeish needs to go, a fan protest might affect the players negatively, but the club need to know what we are feeling.
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This is worse than anything I have experienced in 65 years. Worse to endure. Worst to get through. Worst to live with.
We have had dozens of worse players than those who wore the shirt today. We have played dozens of games in which we were worse than we were today. We have even had managers as bad - in their own ways - as McLeish. What sets this season apart from the 64 others I have witnessed was summed up in a word by Mazrim a few days ago. That word is predictable.
I have never experienced such empty hopelessness as I do at the moment. The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire. He lives a long way away. He gives every impression that he no longer cares for the club he bought. Nobody knows what the plan is for the future or even if there is a plan. Those of us who love the club have to survive on scraps of rumour and hearsay. It is for all the world as though we, the fans do not exist. The manager has been appointed. The manager has been given his orders. The board has been appointed. The board has been given its orders. Where do the supporters figure in that? Answer. They don't.
From the very instant that we were told that McLeish was to be our manager everything which has happened and which continues to happen including the game today and the facile and patronizing comments by Ferguson about McLeish were totally predictable.
When Gerry Francis was made England captain back in the day, the Guardian ran a headline "Adrift with a stoker at the wheel". We have nobody at the wheel because all the real power is vested in Randy Lerner and to all intents and purposes as far as Villa are concerned he is dead.
All of this, the relegation spectre, the truly awful football, the shrinking gates, the demoralized players, the good hidings from competent teams and scraped draws against the dross is all so entirely and cruelly predictable. Alas so is nothing being done until we are relegated. Not being relegated is now our Champions League.
Excellent post typed with feeling. Ive done 55.5 yrs and apart from when Tony Hateley left to that day in Dec 68 when Doug breezed in this is as bad as it gets.
And if we dont beat Bolton we could very well go down
We have an 80yr old Ex Chairman who goes to practically every game and a current chairman who has been to two! says it all really.
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FERGUSONS COCK WAS RIGHT IN MCUSELESS'S MOUTH AT THE END OF THE GAME.FUCKIN SICK OF HAVING A "MANAGER" WHO SEES A DRAW OR A LOSS AS A POSITIVE FUCKING RESULT.I KNOW I AM USING CAPITAL LETTERS ON THIS THREAD BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE SHOUTING SO BOLLOCKS!!!1!!!!!!
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
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Link please?
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Congratulations Ashley, you've joined the ****** Club, previously only populated by Steve Hodge and Nigel Callaghan. As a former captain of our great club you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for that embarassingly blatant dive. I hope you get what you deserve in life and I look forward to welcoming you back to Villa Park, whenever that may be.
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yeah its true the Young dive didn't even bother me its not like it altered the course of the game
You can get tablets for this, you know.
How's McLeish's "passion" working out for you?
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Next season. Can't wait.
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Also, while I remember. This season I have been impressed by our Academy kids.
Herd, Clark, Bannan, Lichaj, Baker have all impressed me massively. Even Carruthers has looked a gem..
But the one name some fans always told us about was Gardner. About how great he is, how he's the best young talent we have, etc.. and I haven't been impressed at all yet. I know it's early to judge, but when other Academy players are stepping up and showing what they're capable of, I expect Gardner to as well.
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McLeish on the OS:
"Alex McLeish has called on Villa to raise themselves for "three cup finals" against Sunderland, Bolton and West Brom following the defeat to Manchester United.
McLeish was frustrated with the loss at Old Trafford although he was proud of the efforts of his young lions who came up against the champions elect in their own backyard.
McLeish felt the two goals in the first half were very avoidable - challenging the award of an early penalty for the first and calling the second "rotten" from a defensive perspective.
The Villa boss now wants his side to put the loss to one side and concentrate on the trio of big matches as the team look to move up the Barclays Premier League table.
He said: "I didn't think it was a penalty. Ashley has thrown his leg towards Ciaran. And Ciaran, having seen the replay, tries to pull his leg away.
"But Ashley has got his team a penalty. We know what Ashley is like in terms of the dummy - he tries to sell people - maybe we should have done better in that moment.
"But that early United goal set us back because we had started great. Andi had a good chance.
"The second goal was rotten. That was one we could have done without because it set us back a country mile. At one-down you're still in it.
"It looked a bread and butter cross, there was not great pace on it and it eluded everyone.
"Big Nathan let it go. I don't know why. He maybe thought there was no-one behind him.
"But that's one the young players will look at and think 'next time I will get my foot behind it and lace it out the pitch.'
"He has made that decision but I don't blame him in any way, shape or form because I thought he had another commanding game.
"I am proud of the young players again. They have had to grow up really quickly this season.
"Some haven't even played a full season in the reserve league. That is a measure of where we are with our resources.
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
"Tactically we tried to do that. But actually putting it into practice is another ball game for the guys.
"They stuck manfully to it. But the goals were disappointing.
"Now we have three cup finals in the next couple of weeks. There's two at home and one away at West Brom. The players have got to be at their teeth in those games.
"We go into the Sunderland game and look for the three points. If we play like we have for the last couple of home matches, we have a really good chance."
On a positive note, McLeish confirmed Stan Petrov was at the training ground on Saturday to say hello to the players.
He added: "Stan is good. He was at training. He looks great. He has a new haircut - it suits him, it looks fantastic.
"He was having a laugh with the players. We think the world of Stan and I am sure he will be there to rally the players in the coming games."
The man is an utter, utter imbecile.
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Piss off Mcleish you clueless clown.
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I reached the point tonight where I just didnt care.....then Drogba thundered a truly magnificent goal and I realised thats what football is all about...not what we serve up.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
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FUCK OFF MCLEISH.
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Men against boys and we could all see it coming, I turned it off at 3-0 and I had seen more than enough by that stage. We are just devoid of creativity, our thrown ins from our half are just long punts as far as they can be thrown, don't get me started on the tactics.
We don't try and play the ball, our passing is woeful especially when you compare it to manure's. We tried pressing and containing them but they just played one touch, direct to feet passing and all at a quick pace, we were chasing shadows and I know they have a different agenda but these are basic skills a professional footballer should have. I think we will just scrape through this season and just be safe but AM's appointment and the performances this season have slowly paralyzed our club. 4 wins at home all season!?! We are just treading water watching millionaires so out of touch with the fans slowly destroy our club.
Positives from today include the number of kids from our acadmey playing, that is all.
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We could do a whole lot worse than fcuking Eck off, getting Sid and KMac to coach the team and Stan to do the pre match team talks.
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I never thought I'd say it but we deserve to go down. We are terrible. Clueless,rudderless,leaderless.
I hate it. I hate what has become of our club.
I hate that I predicted a 5-0 nil drubbing and was nearly right.
We need a clear out, from top to bottom or we will sink like a stone.
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What the fuck have we done wrong to have deserved MON flaunting himself like a cheap whore to Liverpool, Houllier I kind of understood with his history at Liverpool, and now this fucking pillock calling it the vomit inducing Theatre of Dreams? Fuck me. I feel like a doormat at the door of a better party. If you don't like it here Alex, then go.
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It was Man United, so in that sense, it is no surprise.
That's not the problem. The problem is we have looked equally clueless, unambitious and negative against lots of clubs who are by no stretch of the imagination Man United.
We aren't 15th because we lost to Man United twice. We're 15th because we are a piss poor side.
We'll finish about 15th and keep our piss poor manager because the owner has now got nothing that even remotely resembles ambition for the club.
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"Theatre of Dreams"
Has anybody connected with Villa used that phrase since Coopers Injury was binned from here?
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
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It was Man United, so in that sense, it is no surprise.
That's not the problem. The problem is we have looked equally clueless, unambitious and negative against lots of clubs who are by no stretch of the imagination Man United.
We aren't 15th because we lost to Man United twice. We're 15th because we are a piss poor side.
We'll finish about 15th and keep our piss poor manager because the owner has now got nothing that even remotely resembles ambition for the club.
If we stay up, I'll think it'll be 4th from bottom.
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I just want McLeish gone.
Is relegation really the only way? :(
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What the fuck have we done wrong to have deserved MON flaunting himself like a cheap whore to Liverpool, Houllier I kind of understood with his history at Liverpool, and now this fucking pillock calling it the vomit inducing Theatre of Dreams? Fuck me. I feel like a doormat at the door of a better party. If you don't like it here Alex, then go.
When Toronto Villa has had enough, then you know we've just about hit rock bottom! ;)
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
The OS want shooting for having the nerve to put that up
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This is worse than anything I have experienced in 65 years. Worse to endure. Worst to get through. Worst to live with.
We have had dozens of worse players than those who wore the shirt today. We have played dozens of games in which we were worse than we were today. We have even had managers as bad - in their own ways - as McLeish. What sets this season apart from the 64 others I have witnessed was summed up in a word by Mazrim a few days ago. That word is predictable.
I have never experienced such empty hopelessness as I do at the moment. The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire. He lives a long way away. He gives every impression that he no longer cares for the club he bought. Nobody knows what the plan is for the future or even if there is a plan. Those of us who love the club have to survive on scraps of rumour and hearsay. It is for all the world as though we, the fans do not exist. The manager has been appointed. The manager has been given his orders. The board has been appointed. The board has been given its orders. Where do the supporters figure in that? Answer. They don't.
From the very instant that we were told that McLeish was to be our manager everything which has happened and which continues to happen including the game today and the facile and patronizing comments by Ferguson about McLeish were totally predictable.
When Gerry Francis was made England captain back in the day, the Guardian ran a headline "Adrift with a stoker at the wheel". We have nobody at the wheel because all the real power is vested in Randy Lerner and to all intents and purposes as far as Villa are concerned he is dead.
All of this, the relegation spectre, the truly awful football, the shrinking gates, the demoralized players, the good hidings from competent teams and scraped draws against the dross is all so entirely and cruelly predictable. Alas so is nothing being done until we are relegated. Not being relegated is now our Champions League.
Excellent post typed with feeling. Ive done 55.5 yrs and apart from when Tony Hateley left to that day in Dec 68 when Doug breezed in this is as bad as it gets.
And if we dont beat Bolton we could very well go down
We have an 80yr old Ex Chairman who goes to practically every game and a current chairman who has been to two! says it all really.
There in one quote we have the voice of VILLA.A person who for over half a century has been a loyal supporter of this great club.Mr learner,Mr mcleish,see this message and get the hell out of our club.THIS MAN WAS WATCHING THE VILLA BEFORE THE PAIR OF YOU WERE IN NAPPIES,HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS ON ABOUT.GET OUT THE PAIR OF YOU.DO OUR GREAT CLUB A MASSIVE FAVOUR AND GO!!!!!!
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He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
The OS want shooting for having the nerve to put that up
I feel like putting me head through the window, to hear him say that is just fucking embarrasing and cringe-worthy. Just go Alex, your a loser thats way out of your depth.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
he talks like that and says those things because he knows he going,
he is a dead man walking at the moment and he knows he cant survive, he knows deep down nobody can fail as badly as him and get away with it,
so i wouldnt take much notice of the stuff he comes out with, just console ourselves it wont be for much longer
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It is humiliating to hear an Aston Villa manager talk about another team in our league that way.
You might think that, Alex, but keep it to yourself.
The bloke is all about saving face for himself. He becomes more and more O'Leary-esque every week
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I'm gob smacked! Or am I?
The guy is an embarrassment to himself and the club. McLeish, you are breaking the Trade Descriptions Act and falsely posing as a football manager. Do the honourable thing and do one.
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When Blandy and McCuntycunt have finished gargling Ferguson's Jism, they may wish to reflect on how they've fucked over the club and it's support.
O'Pubehead must be rubbing his hands together at the thought of next weeks game.
His after match comment
'If we play like we have in the last two home matches, we can get 3 points.'
What a stupid, worthless piece of shit that man is.
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He's a disgrace to our great club. Ashamed.
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Villa Park is our theatre of dreams.Does he ever try to build our home games up with that sort of stuff?Does he fuck!!!!!first class loser he is.Gives up before the bloody game has started.How the hell are the players going to feel with that twats attitude?wanker.
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With post match comments like that,we as a club have virtually hit rock bottom. Last season seems like a vintage year now,thats how bad its got. At best we can finish 15th,we'll only stay up due to there being 3 terrible teams in a weak league. How much further can this useless piece of shit drag us down?
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Actually, a thought about HAVING to play the kids at Old Trafford. No he fucking didn't HAVE to play the kids at Old Trafford, he had Heskey, Cuellar and N'Zogbia on the bench and could have left Baker, who fucked up badly for the second goal, whereas Carlos wouldn't have, Wiemann and Gardner on the bench today. I think the using the kids thing is an excuse today. No doubts it'll be the same thing next week. Hiding behind the kids is cowardly.
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With the team available & who we were playing, the result was a forgone conclusion. Wasn't helped by the 'penalty' decision but as Young was apparently taught how to cheat by us that makes it acceptable? I'm only surprised Halsey (cnut) didn't let Rooney take it whilst Given wasn't looking.
We can't be too critical of anyone today, we don't have the players with the quality or experience to cope with the number of injuries we have.
We now have two big games to get the 3 points which should be enough to see us safe. That's ALL that matters for now. We can all make our decision on buying season tickets etc.. when the season is over.
If Eck is to stay (I think only relegation will see him sacked) he MUST be given the funds to ensure that the squad has the quality & experience required, so we are not in the same situation again next season. Whether he can build a team & whether I can be bothered to watch him try is highly questionable .
UTV
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He would have been slaughtered for playing Heskey instead of Weimann today.
I also don't think Zog or Carlos were fit enough to play the whole game.
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Think Gabby should watch this game again and make a public apology. He was terrible and as captain showed no inspiration or leadership whatsover. He lokked totally uninterested and constantly gave the ball away. Collins, Baker and Lichaj showed some spirit and Caruthers looks a promising player. I know Gardner is still only young but he has been disappointing. Ashley Young is a total disgrace .................
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Can,t understand how Hutton gets the right back slot over Lichaj who is far better, Hutton is easily the worst defender I've seen in that position, if for no other reason Mcshite should get the bullet for signing him then continually playing him.
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He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.
Please don't tell me he said that?
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He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.
Please don't tell me he said that?
He did.
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Sing it, Denny.
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He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.
Please don't tell me he said that?
He did.
Go back a few pages and it is there in all it's "glory".
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Maybe McLeish, Lerner and Fergie are thinking of setting us up as a nursery club. How has it come to this in just 18 months?
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This is worse than anything I have experienced in 65 years. Worse to endure. Worst to get through. Worst to live with.
We have had dozens of worse players than those who wore the shirt today. We have played dozens of games in which we were worse than we were today. We have even had managers as bad - in their own ways - as McLeish. What sets this season apart from the 64 others I have witnessed was summed up in a word by Mazrim a few days ago. That word is predictable.
I have never experienced such empty hopelessness as I do at the moment. The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire. He lives a long way away. He gives every impression that he no longer cares for the club he bought. Nobody knows what the plan is for the future or even if there is a plan. Those of us who love the club have to survive on scraps of rumour and hearsay. It is for all the world as though we, the fans do not exist. The manager has been appointed. The manager has been given his orders. The board has been appointed. The board has been given its orders. Where do the supporters figure in that? Answer. They don't.
From the very instant that we were told that McLeish was to be our manager everything which has happened and which continues to happen including the game today and the facile and patronizing comments by Ferguson about McLeish were totally predictable.
When Gerry Francis was made England captain back in the day, the Guardian ran a headline "Adrift with a stoker at the wheel". We have nobody at the wheel because all the real power is vested in Randy Lerner and to all intents and purposes as far as Villa are concerned he is dead.
All of this, the relegation spectre, the truly awful football, the shrinking gates, the demoralized players, the good hidings from competent teams and scraped draws against the dross is all so entirely and cruelly predictable. Alas so is nothing being done until we are relegated. Not being relegated is now our Champions League.
Excellent post typed with feeling. Ive done 55.5 yrs and apart from when Tony Hateley left to that day in Dec 68 when Doug breezed in this is as bad as it gets.
And if we dont beat Bolton we could very well go down
We have an 80yr old Ex Chairman who goes to practically every game and a current chairman who has been to two! says it all really.
This is the main problem. Whatever groans and gripes we had about Ellis, he was there. ( He is still there). I expect a club owner to be at a good number games and around the club in the week , not necessarily virtually every single game like Doug but a good proportion. When Doug wasn't running the show for a time, then Ron Bendall would be there (albeit coming over from the Isle of Man), and before that William Dugdale would be there. Before Doug arrived, even the ancient old duffers who were running the club into the ground towards bankruptcy were at least there !
Another thing, we always had shareholders. Most of the time there would be a controlling interest (Doug) to stop those shares having any strong influence, but all the same the entire ownership of the club was not concentrated 100% in the hands of one individual.
I appreciate that Randy Lerner is an honourable man, I appreciate he has invested a lot of money in the club in his first 5 years especially.
However, I also feel at my lowest ebb about Villa having followed them since 1966. I have seen much poorer sides and seen the club in much more perilous financial states. I've gone down when we were getting far far lower gates than we are going to get next season.
Why is this the worst then ?
Because this is the first time we have an absentee owner, because it is the first time we have the club entirely owned by one individual. I will admit I didn't say this when we were finshing 6th and chasing the holy grail of the Champions League, but now its the tough times. I can handle tough times, my God we've been through a few and stuck it out because you always had hope. But this is lack of hope and even worse its is alienation. Alienation for the reasons I have outlined abaove. Sorry Randy, nothing personal but I think its time for you to move on.
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Bloody Fergie talking him up post-match praising the bravery of playing so many youngsters at Old Trafford. He must really hate us!
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I just can't believe the amount of times he's come out with this shit after we've played a team in the top half, its embarrasing to our great club. I don't know whats going on in Randy's head, if a company is losing millions, under performing and the manager that you chose keeps talking up your rivals then in any other industry you'd fuck him off asap. You'd think Randy would have some pride in the club he's invested a huge amount in, but then again it was only his dads millions that he inherited, perhaps if he'd earned them himself then he'd be a bit more hands on and care abit more.
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There are basically two sorts of stupid people. There are the sort who are just stupid. No harm in that, there are millions of us. Then there are the really dangerous ones who are stupid but think they are clever. McLeish goes right into the treble twenty of the latter category. He genuinely thinks that extolling himself as a "deep thinker" (his own words) and trotting out media generated slop like "theatre of dreams" and describing his rag tag army of raw recruits as "young lions" and sucking up to the likes of Scholes is using his intellect to deflect the reality of yet another truly awful performance.
I can only assume that the board and the owner are as thick as he is and impressed by his "professionalism" and "composure" .
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He said, before someone thinks 'oh shite' and edits the OS.
From the OS:
'"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
"Tactically we tried to do that. But actually putting it into practice is another ball game for the guys.''
Makes you want to throw up. Patronising and embarrassing.
And bloody Scholes? I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.
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Perhaps he's getting his own back on us for taking the piss out of him for years when he was with B-lose.
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We've got three cup finals in the next couple of weeks, why all the negativity?!
Sunday 13th May 2012 "Sure, we're all a bit disappointed in ourselves that we've gone down, but i thought we were magnificent. We tried to hold them and we tried to say to them, "see if you can contain the Grant Holts and Andy Surmans", but it just wasn't to be. The young lions have come to Carrow Rd and been pecked to death by the Mighty Canaries. It's a tough lesson that will really help these young lads prepare for next year against Peterborough."
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Bloody Fergie talking him up post-match praising the bravery of playing so many youngsters at Old Trafford. He must really hate us!
The equivalent of a pat on the head for a very loyal dog that's just pleased its owner by not shitting in the lounge.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
And that Alex has finally finished it off for me. What a stupid cnut!
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He should be sacked just for using the term Theatre of Dreams. Wanker can fuck off now as far as i'm concerned.
Please don't tell me he said that?
He did.
Go back a few pages and it is there in all it's "glory".
Dear Lord. He's a nice guy and all that but that's genuinely the final straw for me.
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Also Ireland joking with Rooney is nowhere near as bad, to me, as all the subs joking with Young. The man who just dived against his old club full of friends.
I sometimes liken footballers to barristers in a court room. They'll battle [or at least barristers will] for the best interests of their clients, but afterwards they're more than happy to socialise.
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The theatre of dreams? Seriously. That, and applauding Rooney off the pitch..
He may as well have knelt down in the centre circle and took a length from Sir Alex.
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I find it quite hard to believe he's said that, despite him being a pretty abysmal football manager he is normally much more sure footed when there are microphones about.
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Well McLeish has made me a liar. I said he'd eroded my ability to get upset but that comment has actually managed to majorly piss me off. I'm surprised he didn't say TTOD Coopers Injury style, FFS.
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I actually think I preferred O'Leary.
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Every time he opens his bleedin' mouth he gets worse.
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McLeish on the OS:
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
SACK HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
"They stuck manfully to it. But the goals were disappointing.
HE SAYS THIS EVERY WEEK !!!!!!!!!!!
"We go into the Sunderland game and look for the three points. If we play like we have for the last couple of home matches, we have a really good chance."
WHAT THE F**K IS HE ON ABOUT
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THE BLOKE IS A TOTAL DISGRACE.FUCK HIM OFF NOW!!!!!SAN MIGUEL AGAIN,STARTED ME SHOUTING!!
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Ashley Young overdid it according to SAF: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17722687
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he MUST be given the funds to ensure that the squad has the quality & experience required, so we are not in the same situation again next season.
What a horrid thought
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I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.
excellent choice.
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Despair!
I find it hard to believe that any team would roll over so easily but it was my team that did and it hurts. It also hurts to say that Gabby was really poor and no inspiration to the kids or anyone else. Except for one slip Baker played well, Lichaj was good, Clarke did well, Weimann worked his socks off. Gardner is playing a totally different game to the way he has played for years with the Youth and reserve teams - why? Bannan - why? Hutton desperately weak, Ireland good in short bursts but not enough for a Prem midfielder. Thought our best player was Carruthers in his 10 minute spell. He actually showed little fear of the opposition and tried to keep possession, he ran for return balls and got in the face of the oppo. I can't say that about the majority of the rest.
Why, and how, have we become so shit?
We have no shape, no desire to put pressure on the opposition and give possession away far, far too easily.
Carry on the good work AM.
You've obviously been planted by a Small Heath sympathiser who has millions available to spend on ruining one of the finest football clubs in the history of the game!
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Don't bloody waste funds on Mcleish, get rid and get a proper manager in.
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I'm not really concerned about his foot in mouth comments in the post match interview; more his complete lack of tactical nous in the 90 minutes that preceded it.
And I know it goes against the grain but he needs to go with experience where possible from here on in to try and ensure we stay up (apart from Gabby, who is a waste of a shirt at the mo)
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I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.
excellent choice.
I've got some Bill Laswell dub going, and the dancing girls in the Windies/Australia Test are seriously orgiastic. Apart from that, emptiness.
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I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.
excellent choice.
I've got some Bill Laswell dub going, and the dancing girls in the Windies/Australia Test are seriously orgiastic. Apart from that, emptiness.
I'm on a train North of Sheffield. Likewise / emptiness.
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I'm off to listen to Soul Mining. It helped in 87.
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excellent choice.
Yes, indeed, one of my favourite albums of that period, still got the cassette upstairs!
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He's blaming the players too much and too often. Can only lead to discontent in the dressing room, never mind shirking all responsibility of where at least half of the blame lies - with himself.
I sincerely hope he can turn things around over the remaining games because I want my team to stay up and he's our manager.
That said, he has turned us into a laughing stock. An easy touch. A very poor football team.
I would like it very much if he FUCKED OFF in May.
Please. God. Please.
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Joy Division - Closer for me, a sad album to match my mood.
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I hate losing. I hate losing to anyone at anything, whether it is my best mate when we play golf for £10 or a game of Mario Kart with my 6 year old son. However, if i've done my best and got beat by the better man/6 year old I accept it and get on with life.
The difference between my philosophy and those of Aston Villa is I don't spend all week practising my skills on the golf course or Nintendo Wii.
To see Carlos Cuellar and Nathan Delfouneso embracing, shaking hands and laughing with Ashley Young at half time after he had cheated us and THEM made me feel sick. When I play golf, I've never once cheated, if I want to beat my mate at golf I want to beat him properly without cheating. Fortunately he's of the same mind as me and won't do the same but if I played against someone who cheated me intentionally I want to chin them. How the fuck, as professional sportsmen, who are meant to have a competitiveness about them be like that with him? So then I look to the managers assistant and see him applauding Rooney off the pitch and the example is there isn't it?
Yes, we have a massive amount of injuries, and of course Ginger Bollocks can't be blamed for that, but to see the likes of Bannan and Gabby go backwards so quickly is alarming. We honestly look like a kids team playing two years behind their year group. We have some tidy footballers who can obviously do a lot of positive things but we really don't have the nous and intelligence to do them because we're playing against the bigger boys. Shay Given bless him must think he's the Uncle left to look after all the kids.
The same things are happening every week pretty much, the late goal (in each half today), the goals conceded from corners, the lack of goals scored from set pieces and the manager and his coaches appear at the moment to have no accountability. We all go to work, we all have our responsibilities - if we don't perform we lose our jobs, the bills don't get paid and wife gets on our case because she can't have the latest Prada handbag.
It fucks me off that these fucking millionaire footballers, coaches and owners have absolutely no accountability for what they do every time they represent our club.
I honestly don't give a fuck if we go down or not, I want people at my club who care, I want people at my club who hurt when we get beat, when we are cheated. If it means we end up playing Colchester United in division 4 (or whatever it's called) to get people into our club that are bothered then so be it - I'm sick of it
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I hate losing. I hate losing to anyone at anything, whether it is my best mate when we play golf for £10 or a game of Mario Kart with my 6 year old son. However, if i've done my best and got beat by the better man/6 year old I accept it and get on with life.
The difference between my philosophy and those of Aston Villa is I don't spend all week practising my skills on the golf course or Nintendo Wii.
To see Carlos Cuellar and Nathan Delfouneso embracing, shaking hands and laughing with Ashley Young at half time after he had cheated us and THEM made me feel sick. When I play golf, I've never once cheated, if I want to beat my mate at golf I want to beat him properly without cheating. Fortunately he's of the same mind as me and won't do the same but I played against someone who cheated me intentionally I want to chin them. How the fuck, as professional sportsmen, who are meant to have a competitiveness about them be like that with him? So then I look to the managers assistant and see him applauding Rooney off the pitch and the example is there isn't it?
Yes, we have a massive amount of injuries, and of course Ginger Bollocks can't be blamed for that, but to see the likes of Bannan and Gabby go backwards so quickly is alarming. We honestly look like a kids team playing two years behind their year group. We have some tidy footballers who can obviously do a lot of positive things but we really don't have the nous and intelligence to do them because we're playing against the bigger boys. Shay Given bless him must think he's the Uncle left to look after all the kids.
The same things are happening every week pretty much, the late goal (in each half today), the goals conceded from corners, the lack of goals scored from set pieces and the manager and his coaches appear at the moment to have no accountability. We all go to work, we all have our responsibilities - if we don't perform we lose our jobs, the bills don't get paid and wife gets on our case because she can't have the latest Prada handbag.
It fucks me off that these fucking millionaire footballers, coaches and owners have absolutely no accountability for what they do every time they represent our club.
I honestly don't give a fuck if we go down or not, I want people at my club who care, I want people at my club who hurt when we get beat, when we are cheated. If it means we end up playing Colchester United in division 4 (or whatever it's called) to get people into our club that are bothered then so be it - I'm sick of it
Here fucking here.
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Joy Division - Closer for me, a sad album to match my mood.
PinkFloyd-see you on the dark side of the moon.
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Another poster here who started in the sixties, what a great post by Brian Green said all the things that I am feeling and thinking, saw us fall out of Division 1 in 1967 then into Division 3 in 1970 but it never felt as bad as this, maybe then as a teenager I saw things differently to now when I am so despondent about our current plight, it feels like a slow death and another relegation will come soon and where we are heading after that I dread to think.
It was always doomed to failure with Mcshit, what was Randy thinking?, when we are finally safe there will be a huge sigh of relief followed by the realisation that we face another season of the same or worse.
Load the gun Randy before its too late.
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I think you have to take the theatre of dreams quotation from McLeish in context of the whole interview. I took it to mean that our young side gave it their best shot at an extremely difficult place to play. 'The theatre of dreams' emphasises how difficult the game was for us and we just aren't in the same place quality wise as the Man U side currently (and let's be honest we haven't been much in the 40 odd years I've been going)
anyway the genius that his 'array did far worse than McLeish today in a more evenly matched game.
That's supposed to make me feel better.....it hasn't
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(and let's be honet we haven't been much in the 40 odd years I've been going)
And yet we occasionally get a result, and we get it by going and giving them a game. McLeish's strategy of rolling over and playing dead whenever we come up across any of the top teams will never even get us a draw, we may as well officially surrender and save the petrol money.
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I hate losing. I hate losing to anyone at anything, whether it is my best mate when we play golf for £10 or a game of Mario Kart with my 6 year old son. However, if i've done my best and got beat by the better man/6 year old I accept it and get on with life.
The difference between my philosophy and those of Aston Villa is I don't spend all week practising my skills on the golf course or Nintendo Wii.
To see Carlos Cuellar and Nathan Delfouneso embracing, shaking hands and laughing with Ashley Young at half time after he had cheated us and THEM made me feel sick. When I play golf, I've never once cheated, if I want to beat my mate at golf I want to beat him properly without cheating. Fortunately he's of the same mind as me and won't do the same but if I played against someone who cheated me intentionally I want to chin them. How the fuck, as professional sportsmen, who are meant to have a competitiveness about them be like that with him? So then I look to the managers assistant and see him applauding Rooney off the pitch and the example is there isn't it?
Yes, we have a massive amount of injuries, and of course Ginger Bollocks can't be blamed for that, but to see the likes of Bannan and Gabby go backwards so quickly is alarming. We honestly look like a kids team playing two years behind their year group. We have some tidy footballers who can obviously do a lot of positive things but we really don't have the nous and intelligence to do them because we're playing against the bigger boys. Shay Given bless him must think he's the Uncle left to look after all the kids.
The same things are happening every week pretty much, the late goal (in each half today), the goals conceded from corners, the lack of goals scored from set pieces and the manager and his coaches appear at the moment to have no accountability. We all go to work, we all have our responsibilities - if we don't perform we lose our jobs, the bills don't get paid and wife gets on our case because she can't have the latest Prada handbag.
It fucks me off that these fucking millionaire footballers, coaches and owners have absolutely no accountability for what they do every time they represent our club.
I honestly don't give a fuck if we go down or not, I want people at my club who care, I want people at my club who hurt when we get beat, when we are cheated. If it means we end up playing Colchester United in division 4 (or whatever it's called) to get people into our club that are bothered then so be it - I'm sick of it
Heart and soul.the best reply all night my friend.up the villa.
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(and let's be honet we haven't been much in the 40 odd years I've been going)
And yet we occasionally get a result, and we get it by going and giving them a game. McLeish's strategy of rolling over and playing dead whenever we come up across any of the top teams will never even get us a draw, we may as well officially surrender and save the petrol money.
we never got the chance. The penalty killed us and I thought we were doing ok until the second finished us off.
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Another poster here who started in the sixties, what a great post by Brian Green said all the things that I am feeling and thinking, saw us fall out of Division 1 in 1967 then into Division 3 in 1970 but it never felt as bad as this, maybe then as a teenager I saw things differently to now when I am so despondent about our current plight, it feels like a slow death and another relegation will come soon and where we are heading after that I dread to think.
It was always doomed to failure with Mcshit, what was Randy thinking?, when we are finally safe there will be a huge sigh of relief followed by the realisation that we face another season of the same or worse.
Load the gun Randy before its too late.
This. Big time.
Been going down the Villa for 50 years and don't think things have ever been this bad.
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If we are re-living 1987 I suppose i'd better go and crack one out to Sabrina.
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PMS no 55, sums it up for me UTV
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Cowardly performance, which comes as no surprise as our manager is a coward full stop.
I wonder if Lerner has realised yet that if you sell all your best players you become a poorer team?
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Why can't he just say "Old Trafford" and describe his team as young players? This bollocks about Theatre of Dreams is something they have created for marketing purposes. Its all so fucking naff and he becomes not our manager but their mouthpiece. To listen to that after the agony of yet another humiliating defeat is like being offered a nice cup of cocoa on your way to the electric chair.
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Is Alex McLeish in the pay of Man United?
I ask with all sincerity.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
It's worse than the Anfield guff that Houllier came out with last season, which he was rightly slaughtered for. And he does it over again, bigging up the opposition and talking about stopping them playing, as if that's what the game is all about. What about making them worry about stopping us Alex? He really doesn't have a fucking clue does he?
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Why can't he just say "Old Trafford" and describe his team as young players? This bollocks about Theatre of Dreams is something they have created for marketing purposes. Its all so fucking naff and he becomes not our manager but their mouthpiece. To listen to that after the agony of yet another humiliating defeat is like being offered a nice cup of cocoa on your way to the electric chair.
But this sort of bollocks is now as predictable as our dire performances and regular acquiensence to the 'elite'. While we all recognise Mcleish as being a man completely out of his depth, there's no excuse for the Club's PR department allowing him to repeatedly make so many gaffs. You'd think that for once they would help him to prepare something rather more respectful to the fans and players.
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If we are re-living 1987 I suppose i'd better go and crack one out to Sabrina.
regrettably I was too young to do that then what would be the equivilent now? :P
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Seen MOM now, disgrace... Never a penalty. The ref a lot of wrong decisions. Oh and Villa no spirit, no fight nothing.. For example: ball goes in the midfield, 2 of our players dont know who wants the ball. 3third goal: ball passes 3/4 Villa players, Collins just looks at it. Jezus, how long.. If i would a Villa player i would fed up with that kind of coaching, or is that just me thinking?
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
"Tactically we tried to do that. But actually putting it into practice is another ball game for the guys.
Let this be his "suicide" note.
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Last season he went to Theatre of dreams and got spanked 5-0 with Blues on his way down. I guess it was an honour for him to a leading a team out again so soon at the holly turf that is OT so obviously he was overcome with emotion.
I guess the problem is Lerner also worships Fergie.
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I sat amongst their lot today underneath where our supporters were. I never got from my seat once, didn't applaud anything, didn't say anything just sat there in blind resignation that we would roll over and die, which we dutyfully did.
I think the place is more theatre than theatre of dreams. The play is about good and evil with the audience expecting the good to win through in the end. We did't play the evil part very well at all today, we were too nice or hadn't rehearsed sufficiently to play the part properly. Still, the audience got what they expected from the days play and left happy brandishing their half and half scarves as they took endless photos of everything and anything.
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Managed to avoid the whole, predictable debacle. McCleish's comments however, make my blood boil. I have never seen a more defeatist attitude in all my years of watching the game.
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Joy Division - Closer for me, a sad album to match my mood.
Great choice.
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Joy Division - Closer for me, a sad album to match my mood.
PinkFloyd-see you on the dark side of the moon.
An even better choice.
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What's the big surprise? Can anyone on here honestly say that we weren't going to capitulate today?
Apathy has been the word at Villa since our bore draw at Fulham back in August.
Even now, he goes on record in his post match interview saying that he's looking for 6 points?!?
6 POINTS?!?! F*CKINELL!!! THERE ARE 5 MATCHES LEFT!!! He should be going for a 15 points!!
We know we are f*cked but he's being paid £1.6 mil a year so at least he can try and be optimistic even if he doesn't believe so himself.
I'm past being angry, I'm just embarrassed that he's our manager.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
It's worse than the Anfield guff that Houllier came out with last season, which he was rightly slaughtered for. And he does it over again, bigging up the opposition and talking about stopping them playing, as if that's what the game is all about. What about making them worry about stopping us Alex? He really doesn't have a fucking clue does he?
Nope McLeish (for all his faults) followed another inpet disinterested buffoon who was paid a fortune and therefore he uses the logical extension of Houllier's derisory comments. Houllier also bigged up Man U last season when we lost to them. Hiring Faulkner to recommend/choose managers has been the worst decision in Villa's resent history. Every other manager hired I could make a case for except - Clueless Buffoon who thought Domenech was right for France in 2010 and then Mcrelegation with that lot. Like Father Ted when nominated for Eurovision Song Contest - anyone would think we want to lose the damn thing really badly.
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He's a disgrace to our great club. Ashamed.
Fair play to you Legion. Exactly how I feel.
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If we are re-living 1987 I suppose i'd better go and crack one out to Sabrina.
Sabrina was 1988 on the way back. Believe me I was 14/15
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I'm not long back from work and watching a repeat of the game on Sky. Exactly what we all expected. It's utterly embarrassing.
I think we'll be alright this season (just) but I seriously fear for next season if we don't significantly improve our squad in the summer.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
It's worse than the Anfield guff that Houllier came out with last season, which he was rightly slaughtered for. And he does it over again, bigging up the opposition and talking about stopping them playing, as if that's what the game is all about. What about making them worry about stopping us Alex? He really doesn't have a fucking clue does he?
Exactly. Taken from an interview from today's Independent with Martinez:
"When you are playing the biggest teams, going to Stamford Bridge or the Emirates, playing Manchester United, you need to be yourself. The opposition will have real quality and will have the ball for long periods, but that does not mean you do not be yourself when you get the ball."
"It means", he added, "to reject the old philosophy of keeping the score down, taking the top teams on instead".
"Away from home, convincing players they can beat top teams has been a target," said Martinez, "not just stopping the opposition, but playing yourself too".
"There is a real feeling of being brave, of trying to win the game, not settling for damage limitation".
I'm not sure why the interviewer did not ask why his Wigan team wait until March of each season to start playing like that, but it is in stark contrast to the quotes McLeish comes out with.
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Listened to the game (well one team were playing) on the radio. For some reason I wasn't suprised or bothered when it went to 2-0 everything else was just "meh" after. I have lost all enthusiasm to be honest and the end of the season can't come soon enough. I didn't expect us to win but each week is becoming more and more painful to watch. The commentators were calling us "inept, poor" etc. It's all become very depressing.
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Lee Dixon just said Mcshit has done an alright job , what is up with these muppets.
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I had to laugh just now. Read on Twitter that when Young went off and our subs were shaking hands with him, Carlos held his arms out as if to say "what was that?" (meaning the dive), Young said "it was a foul", Carlos replied with "was it fuck".
made me chuckle.
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Why can't he just say "Old Trafford" and describe his team as young players? This bollocks about Theatre of Dreams is something they have created for marketing purposes. Its all so fucking naff and he becomes not our manager but their mouthpiece. To listen to that after the agony of yet another humiliating defeat is like being offered a nice cup of cocoa on your way to the electric chair.
But this sort of bollocks is now as predictable as our dire performances and regular acquiensence to the 'elite'. While we all recognise Mcleish as being a man completely out of his depth, there's no excuse for the Club's PR department allowing him to repeatedly make so many gaffs. You'd think that for once they would help him to prepare something rather more respectful to the fans and players.
I maybe wrong (and maybe being a little harsh), but I get the impression that McLeish is not too intelligent. I can't listen to him speaking on the TV or the radio, as he is so uninspiring and seems to really struggle to come out with anything coherent.
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I thought before the game they would get four past us, what is disturbing is how the younger players are following the senior players lead and not moving. At one time we were in possession and four Villa players close to the ball carrier were playing statues. Barry Bannon is never going to be premiership quality and i have doubts about Gardner too, it's great having a top academy but whats the point if at least one ot to develope in to premiership players.
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I had to laugh just now. Read on Twitter that when Young went off and our subs were shaking hands with him, Carlos held his arms out as if to say "what was that?" (meaning the dive), Young said "it was a foul", Carlos replied with "was it fuck".
made me chuckle.
It's okay as I have also just read that Pep Guardiola, Iniesta, Xavi and Messi both want to come over and help save Villa's season as our colours are similar to Barca's and should we drop out of the Prem then there'll be no one left.
Ronaldo too has asked to come also for absolutely no reason other than he never got to go to Stoney Lane for a chicken balti whilst over here and thus is keen to help where he can.
Oh god, the nurse is here again, sorry matron honestly I'm fine, please, no...not there.........aaaahh.
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I thought before the game they would get four past us, what is disturbing is how the younger players are following the senior players lead and not moving. At one time we were in possession and four Villa players close to the ball carrier were playing statues. Barry Bannon is never going to be premiership quality and i have doubts about Gardner too, it's great having a top academy but whats the point if at least one ot to develope in to premiership players.
You have doubts over Gardner after 12 appearances, playing in an unnatural position, while the team is on a horrific run? Nothing like give the kids a chance!
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He did this all the time when he was with us and got nothing.
Now he knows he will get quite a few decisions because of who he plays for.
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"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?
From McLeish after match report on the OS. Two words, McLeish Out!
Link please?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html
So embarassing.
How anyone can support this bloke is beyond me.
That beggars belief.
It's worse than the Anfield guff that Houllier came out with last season, which he was rightly slaughtered for. And he does it over again, bigging up the opposition and talking about stopping them playing, as if that's what the game is all about. What about making them worry about stopping us Alex? He really doesn't have a fucking clue does he?
Exactly. Taken from an interview from today's Independent with Martinez:
"When you are playing the biggest teams, going to Stamford Bridge or the Emirates, playing Manchester United, you need to be yourself. The opposition will have real quality and will have the ball for long periods, but that does not mean you do not be yourself when you get the ball."
"It means", he added, "to reject the old philosophy of keeping the score down, taking the top teams on instead".
"Away from home, convincing players they can beat top teams has been a target," said Martinez, "not just stopping the opposition, but playing yourself too".
"There is a real feeling of being brave, of trying to win the game, not settling for damage limitation".
I'm not sure why the interviewer did not ask why his Wigan team wait until March of each season to start playing like that, but it is in stark contrast to the quotes McLeish comes out with.
Martinez is far from perfect but you can forgive a manager a lot if he at least goes out with the right philosophy of believing you can win, or at least have a good go at it. It's this attitude of McLeish's of giving up before you've even started that I really can't stand.
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He did this all the time when he was with us and got nothing.
Now he knows he will get quite a few decisions because of who he plays for.
That is shocking, I have no idea how he feels tonight, but if that was me I would feel ashamed.
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Exactly. Taken from an interview from today's Independent with Martinez:
"When you are playing the biggest teams, going to Stamford Bridge or the Emirates, playing Manchester United, you need to be yourself. The opposition will have real quality and will have the ball for long periods, but that does not mean you do not be yourself when you get the ball."
"It means", he added, "to reject the old philosophy of keeping the score down, taking the top teams on instead".
"Away from home, convincing players they can beat top teams has been a target," said Martinez, "not just stopping the opposition, but playing yourself too".
"There is a real feeling of being brave, of trying to win the game, not settling for damage limitation".
And the team Martinez manages are where in the league?
It's easy to say stuff like that when you've beaten a top side, the boring, negative, complete bag of shite Aston Villa are still above them though.
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In The Guardian match report, it states Villa were 'cooperative' in Manures victory. I think that kind of says it all.
I'm not sure why the manager was ranting so much at the penalty decision though. I think he was putting on a bit of a show as he could say were in the game, right up until the 8th minute.
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If I were McLeish I'd rant about that penalty until there were no other headline. The FA fine would be well spent.
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Exactly. Taken from an interview from today's Independent with Martinez:
"When you are playing the biggest teams, going to Stamford Bridge or the Emirates, playing Manchester United, you need to be yourself. The opposition will have real quality and will have the ball for long periods, but that does not mean you do not be yourself when you get the ball."
"It means", he added, "to reject the old philosophy of keeping the score down, taking the top teams on instead".
"Away from home, convincing players they can beat top teams has been a target," said Martinez, "not just stopping the opposition, but playing yourself too".
"There is a real feeling of being brave, of trying to win the game, not settling for damage limitation".
And the team Martinez manages are where in the league?
It's easy to say stuff like that when you've beaten a top side, the boring, negative, complete bag of shite Aston Villa are still above them though.
I agree with you to an extent Mr Cooper however, we'd be a lot further ahead had we employed that same strategy against teams at our level, let alone against the big teams. There are some managers who try to win first. There are others who see victory in avoiding defeat. We have one of them.
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In defence of those quotes (and I can't believe I'm attempting to defend him) it seems he's just taking his cue from Faulkner and co who -when asked about the Ashley Young transfer last summer- said something along the lines of "When SirAlex comes calling there is not much you can do." (vomit emoticon)
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I sat amongst their lot today underneath where our supporters were. I never got from my seat once, didn't applaud anything, didn't say anything just sat there in blind resignation that we would roll over and die, which we dutyfully did.
I think the place is more theatre than theatre of dreams. The play is about good and evil with the audience expecting the good to win through in the end. We did't play the evil part very well at all today, we were too nice or hadn't rehearsed sufficiently to play the part properly. Still, the audience got what they expected from the days play and left happy brandishing their half and half scarves as they took endless photos of everything and anything.
Its a tourist attraction first and foremost, and their welcome to it , I hate the f*cking place, and didnt you just know that sooner or later our manager would come out with the 'young lions' bollocks, even with senior pros sat on the bench, and Lee Dixon can stick his 'doing an alright job' up his arsenal, I doubt very much he'd be saying the same if his beloved Woolwich were in our position, and whos the muppet comentating for sky who came out with the news that Caruthers passes the ball well because he originated from Arsenals academy as if no-one at the Villas academy could ever pass a ball that well? Theres never been a better passer of a ball than Gordon Cowans you sadfawningasslickingunimaginativetwat.
Im a bit pissed off.
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And another thing....how much longer are we going to have to listen to pundits chuckling about Saint Scholes's inability to tackle? How is it funny in any way at all when he's running around doing his best to cripple opposing players?
Animal.........Bastard.........Animal.........Bastard.......Animal.....
as the saying goes.
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On the subject of commentators did anyone else hear Alan Parry say something along the lines of Ashley Young could have learned his diving antics from his time at Villa? Followed by an awkward silence from Alan Smith?
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We've given some teams the easiest games they've had all season. It's disgusting. Not once, but in a number of bloody games. Utd have had it ridiculously easy against us.
Also, Ash Young is a disgrace. Persistent diving just winds me up no end. He did it far too much for us, and he's now even worse playing for Utd where decisions are even more likely to go his way. I don't actually miss seeing him play for us. Last season he was comparitively poor for us to previous years, so I spent more time groaning at his diving than celebrating anything decent he might have done. Someone should give him a bloody good kick up the arse next time he does one of his Gold Medal Olympic dives. I'd love to see that.
We're bloody awful though. We cannot go on with such a lack of any sort of organisation and decent leadership. If not for Given it would have hit double figures.
The sad thing about the way we're playing is, that if we were a horse or a dog, we'd have been taken out back and shot in the head by now. Mind you if it were Heskey pulling the trigger, he'd miss and shoot himself in the bloody foot!
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On the subject of commentators did anyone else hear Alan Parry say something along the lines of Ashley Young could have learned his diving antics from his time at Villa? Followed by an awkward silence from Alan Smith?
How can you learn diving antics, isn't it just something you decide to do?
Even Alan Greene tore into him last night on 606 and when one caller a Manu fan stated that if he did the same in the Euros he'd bee lauding him up for being clever. Greene to his credit was having none of it.
One thing is for sure though, had Young still been waring a Villa shirt and the same incident occurred would Halsey have given the pen? Not a chance, Young would have been booked. Halsey is a totally useless big team supporting tosser and always has been. The sort of ref who will give the big decisions for the big teams to ensure he's given the big games until he's retired from the game. His decisions will help the sky 4, his decisions will not help the individual players as they will be found out on the international stage where the refs have no impartiality.
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Up until the appalling penalty - i really thought Halsey blew quickly to identify the dive and to book the little cheating ****** - how wrong was i??
I thought we started well - we pressed high up the pitch and some great defendeing by baker at times.
The goal gave them the sniff they needed and then it was men against boys so the pen really did change the game
I too heard the claim the Young leant the skill of diving at VP - such biased wankers
Oh and Scholes - has been sent off for less in his illustrious career - ginger cnut
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Nice ranting Bones!
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If we are re-living 1987 I suppose i'd better go and crack one out to Sabrina.
regrettably I was too young to do that then what would be the equivilent now? :P
Sabrina:
The modern equivalent would be Jessie J I suppose. But with less nipple showing
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If we are re-living 1987 I suppose i'd better go and crack one out to Sabrina.
regrettably I was too young to do that then what would be the equivilent now? :P
Sabrina:
The modern equivalent would be Jessie J I suppose. But with less nipple showing
Bloody Hell
Glad I brought some tissues into work today
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We were set up to lose, and lose by the bare minimum possible, and I think we did that. Manu Utd could have had 10 if they really fancied it.
Midfield was poor, why McLeish keeps playing Gary Gardner against the best teams, and sitting him on the bench for the weaker teams is beyond me, is he totally trying to destroy the lad? I have to say on yesterdays evidence he has succeeded. Gardner was woeful and I feel sorry for the lad. He has potential, serious potential, but is not being nurtured in any way.
Barry Bannan proved yesterday that he is just not good enough, his set piece delivery is poor, his positional play is poor, cannot fault his work rate, and admittedly he's playing out of position, but where he's concerned I think that he's just going to fall short.
Ciaran Clark is going to be a good squad player, but I've yet to see anything to convince me that he's going to become a Villa regular or has the ability to command a starting place in any position.
Stephen Ireland i still think could be ok, but as he does not have a set position, and is not quite good enough to demand a team built around him, then I'm struggling to think of a good reason to keep him. He doesnt score enough goals to play 'in the hole', cannot play on the wing as looks lost. The only place for him to play is in one of the two centre midfield places, but we'd have to have wide midfielders tucking in to help out in the middle....not our style, and as I say, he's not good enough for us to build things around him
Little Samir Carruthers, now there looks a player. He showed something that we've been missing since Gareth Barry left. He was demanding the ball, supporting the man in possession, always making himself available, and he gives me real hope. I don't think I've seen a lad impress me so much in 10-minutes as he did yesterday. A real talent, absolutely no doubt in my mind. Next season could be a big one for him.
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We were set up to lose, and lose by the bare minimum possible, and I think we did that. Manu Utd could have had 10 if they really fancied it.
Midfield was poor, why McLeish keeps playing Gary Gardner against the best teams, and sitting him on the bench for the weaker teams is beyond me, is he totally trying to destroy the lad? I have to say on yesterdays evidence he has succeeded. Gardner was woeful and I feel sorry for the lad. He has potential, serious potential, but is not being nurtured in any way.
Barry Bannan proved yesterday that he is just not good enough, his set piece delivery is poor, his positional play is poor, cannot fault his work rate, and admittedly he's playing out of position, but where he's concerned I think that he's just going to fall short.
Ciaran Clark is going to be a good squad player, but I've yet to see anything to convince me that he's going to become a Villa regular or has the ability to command a starting place in any position.
Stephen Ireland i still think could be ok, but as he does not have a set position, and is not quite good enough to demand a team built around him, then I'm struggling to think of a good reason to keep him. He doesnt score enough goals to play 'in the hole', cannot play on the wing as looks lost. The only place for him to play is in one of the two centre midfield places, but we'd have to have wide midfielders tucking in to help out in the middle....not our style, and as I say, he's not good enough for us to build things around him
Little Samir Carruthers, now there looks a player. He showed something that we've been missing since Gareth Barry left. He was demanding the ball, supporting the man in possession, always making himself available, and he gives me real hope. I don't think I've seen a lad impress me so much in 10-minutes as he did yesterday. A real talent, absolutely no doubt in my mind. Next season could be a big one for him.
Couldn't agree more with you JRS. I'm still waiting to be convinced about Gardner, but there are enough people who have said how good he is to be certain he will make it. I agree though, he now needs to play all the remaining games to have a run in the team and also build up some confidence.
Barry Bannan?. Well, after the 2-2 v Utd last year when he ran the show, I was convinced he would be a player for us. I would get rid now and I agree he is playing in the wrong position, but he just doesn't impress me one bit. Always trying Hollywood balls instead of simple stuff and never pulling them off.
100% agree on Carruthers. Can't remember the last time a player excited me as much as he did yesterday, well maybe Weimann two weeks ago :-). No, he has something a little different about him and I want to see him start on Saturday. Reminded me of Milner more than Barry, but either way, looks quality.
We need to build our team around the likes of Gardner, Lichaj, Carruthers, Clark and Weimann for the future. Keep the likes of Bent and Given (because he will) and get rid of the wasters who are just collecting money, Warnock, Dunne, Nzogbia etc. With a few judicious signings then who knows, maybe an improvement next year?. Either way, it will be more fun watching our home grown talent giving it a go and I guess the crowd ought to stay with them more then as well?
Question is, is Mcleish the right man to build this team?.
Nah !!!!!