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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: john e on April 10, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
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the end of the season is nearly here, so who's your vote going to for player of the season.
a lot of the younger players could have a shout,
but for me it will be Stephen Ireland,
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I'd go with Ireland.
Given close second.
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With all sentiment aside our most consistent performer this season has been Stilyan Petrov.
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shay given
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Herd or Ireland.
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Herd or Ireland.
Agreed.
Christ it's been a poor vintage, hasn't it?
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Shay Given, I dread to think where we would be had he not pulled of some of the incredible saves he's made and keeping Villa in games throughout the season.
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Herd or Ireland.
Agreed.
Christ it's been a poor vintage, hasn't it?
Blue Nun.
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I think it should be scrapped this year,give an award to the poor sods who have been going week in,week out.
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Ireland for me.
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Petrov for me. Consistent performances throughout.
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Petrov or Robbie Keane!!
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Petrov or Herd for me.
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Erm.... not easy.
I'd for Chris Herd. One of the very few individual success stories this season.
Given's been decent. Ireland's having a good second half of the campaign. Gabby started brilliantly, faded since November.
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Hutton for me...... is the worst.
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Given.
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Herd
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He has made some very good saves but nothing i would not of expected rom any top flight pre keeper to be honest - in fact 2 of the goals at Arsenal were piss poor by him
I would actually go for Warnock - has had some shocking games and had had the crowd on his back almost all year - but ability aside he has never gave less than everything for the cause when it could easily have been that he sulked off into a corner - so fair fucks to him
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For me it's a toss up between Herd and Ireland but i think Herd has just edged it.
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Herd for me.
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He has made some very good saves but nothing i would not of expected rom any top flight pre keeper to be honest - in fact 2 of the goals at Arsenal were piss poor by him
I would actually go for Warnock - has had some shocking games and had had the crowd on his back almost all year - but ability aside he has never gave less than everything for the cause when it could easily have been that he sulked off into a corner - so fair fucks to him
Only way I'd go for Warnock is with a baseball bat!
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Ireland ? player of the season !!!!
For fucks sake, its shows the dearth of talent at our club if that wastrel is even nominated.
For me, Petrov was a player rejuvenated this season and regardless of illness, he would get my vote.
Herd would get my young player vote.
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Ireland. Its been a pretty poor show from most but you still get the feeling something might happen when he gets the ball.
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Ireland
and I think If he won it , with the fans backing , we might see a very good Ireland next season.
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I think we need to make sure Petrov gets it. He was playing well anyway, and the fact that he has a long road ahead of him and this could be the last season he'll play for our club. He deserves it.
Yes, completely sentimental. That aside.. Ireland has been a revelation. And Herd has been sensational.
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He has made some very good saves but nothing i would not of expected rom any top flight pre keeper to be honest - in fact 2 of the goals at Arsenal were piss poor by him
I agree. I think he's been mediocre really. Still think he deserves the player of the year award though, which says a lot.
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I think we need to make sure Petrov gets it. He was playing well anyway, and the fact that he has a long road ahead of him and this could be the last season he'll play for our club. He deserves it.
Hard to argue with that.
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I think we need to make sure Petrov gets it. He was playing well anyway, and the fact that he has a long road ahead of him and this could be the last season he'll play for our club. He deserves it.
Hard to argue with that.
Indeed.
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Ireland
and I think If he won it , with the fans backing , we might see a very good Ireland next season.
I second that. Ireland is one of those players who responds to support. As mental as he is, he's by far and away the best footballer at Villa Park and we should be supporting him and building a team around him.
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Petrov was having a great season. Just think, some of the (cracking) goals he scored might have helped to keep us up. I'g go for him.
Herd should be young player of the season. Ireland deserves a special mention too.
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Think I'd go for Given, although Cuellar has been good the few times he's played.
Herd has done much better than I thought he would in the first team and could be worth the young player award.
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Robbie Keane? lol
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I think we need to make sure Petrov gets it. He was playing well anyway, and the fact that he has a long road ahead of him and this could be the last season he'll play for our club. He deserves it.
Yes, completely sentimental. That aside.. Ireland has been a revelation. And Herd has been sensational.
Current goings on aside, I think he has been consistently our best player, despite being written off last season
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For me petrov was the best player in the first half of the season with ireland taking the second. On this alone and for sentimental reasons id give it to stan. Its a shame he will probably win it on the sentimental vote because were he not ill i think he probably would have won it on footballing reasons alone and im sure that would have meant more to him. As an aside I heard he is starting his chemo today so good luck stan.
Young player of the year herd without a shadow of a doubt
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There's not an awful amount of choice is there? It'd have to be Petrov, as the entire defence has been mostly awful, and we've hardly scored any goals.
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This is a tough one, mainly because of the injuries to key players that could have got it were they fit all season.
I think Petrov is a decent shout though all things considered. Keane would be a close second, more class in 6 games than the rest in 36.
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Petrov
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Our goalscoring midfielder Petrov.
YPOTY - tough choice, will be either Herd or Wiemann.
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Let's think..............................I know..... St John Ambulance workers they have turned up each home game and gave decent perfromance when required. As far as players - no one .
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Ireland or Petrov, with Weimann or Herd nabbing the young player of the season award.
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He has made some very good saves but nothing i would not of expected rom any top flight pre keeper to be honest - in fact 2 of the goals at Arsenal were piss poor by him
I would actually go for Warnock - has had some shocking games and had had the crowd on his back almost all year - but ability aside he has never gave less than everything for the cause when it could easily have been that he sulked off into a corner - so fair fucks to him
Warnock ! i think you might be in the lonely corner there mate
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YPOTY - tough choice, will be either Herd or Wiemann.
I don't think Weimann has played enough games to warrant it. Herd is an automatic TPOTY choice for me.
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According to the 'opta player perfomance' stat thing you can find in match-day programmes, Warnock is our best player this season by far.
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Petrov for me.
As an aside, I had the pleasure of presenting Ireland with the Lions clubs Player of the Month yesterday.
You give them the magnum of champagne, they sign it and give it back to you to keep.
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What was he like at the presentation, did it appear to mean something to him?
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I'd say it's close between Ireland and Petrov, but I'd give it to Petrov. Ireland has been very good in a very poor side.
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1. Petrov
2. Herd
3. Ireland
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See I was thinking Herd, as he's done quite well. But if he's to be considered a player of the season candidate, it's an indictment of how little we've done. That's not a reflection on him, as I say he's done well but just our current plight.
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The top three for me would be Given, Petrov and Herd in that order. I am surprised at all the votes for Ireland. I accept he is always looking to create something and often looks the most likely to but how consistantly has there been an end product? It says everything about our season that players like Keane and Weimann will get votes despite playing relatively few games.
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I have preferred Clark as our holding player to Herd, thought he showed a touch of class in there. I'd have him over Herd as YPOTY, Collins would be runner up to Petrov for POTY, mainly due to recent form and nicking a couple of goals.
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Ireland has supplied chances to others and was instrumental in our best result of the season. Also he has run himself into the ground.
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Player of the season for running around a lot ! ;-)
Bloody hell our standards are slipping.
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i think we have had some cracking mascots
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Herd. For me the only player to play to their full potential for most of the season. Heart however says Stan should get it, with Herd YPOTY.
Am I the only one depressed at how many votes Ireland is getting? Yes he's improved and starting to look a real player but 10 complete league games, 1 goal, 3 assists isn't POTY material to me, no matter how wank the season has been.
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With all sentiment aside our most consistent performer this season has been Stilyan Petrov.
Agree.
I'm a big fan of Stylian anyhow so he'd have got my vote come what may, he was having a great season,
Also Herd for young player, think he's been brilliant.
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Nobody Im afraid.....its that depressing!
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What was he like at the presentation, did it appear to mean something to him?
He was pleasant enough. Almost shy actually, in so far as he wasn't sure what to do. He didn't know how to spell my name, either.
It was great being in the tunnel when the players were coming and going on to the pitch pre match.
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Herd. For me the only player to play to their full potential for most of the season. Heart however says Stan should get it, with Herd YPOTY.
Am I the only one depressed at how many votes Ireland is getting? Yes he's improved and starting to look a real player but 10 complete league games, 1 goal, 3 assists isn't POTY material to me, no matter how wank the season has been.
Irelands having a great final 3rd of the season, hasn't been good enough throughout for me though.
Personally I can't believe the number for Given.
Yes, made some great, world class even, saves. But I feel he's also cost us several too
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makoun
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Actually it reminds me a bit of the season when we voted Berson as player of the year
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Stan. He was our most consistent every game. Even with all the drek results and performances, Stan always gave his all and was normally our best midfielder in most of the games he played. I felt sorry for him during many games because he was really trying to get a foot hold for us but with very little help. In part down to awful team selections and poor tactics.
Young player, Herd.
Irelands had a fair season, nothing more. For me, I'm delighted that he's showing glimpses of his class and he's putting in plenty of effort, but we're still only seeing glimpses. I want to see him play well over 90 minutes. Generally he'll have a decent 20-30 minutes spell and then be pretty quiet.
But...in fairness to crazy Stephen, we're set out in such a piss awful way by the manager, that flair players are going to really struggle. In that respect, he has done well to instigate as much play as he has already. Still, we do need more from him.
Overall though, I'd say Petrov and Herd have had 7/10 seasons. Given and Ireland 6-7 at a push. The rest 6 and below (most around 4, and that's generous.). I can't really count Robbie.
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I think, regardless of him being player of the year or not, that next season we will be voting for Ireland in droves. He is now showing what he can do and his attitudw is spot on. Once the rest of the team is reading him we will see the results.
Player of the year for me this year so far would be Petrov, with Ireland and Given (apart from a lack of dominance) close behind. Defo Chris Herd for young player, great attitude, and ever improving.
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Personally I hope we can get a manager who can get us playing some more adventurous footy, and see even more from Ireland. If we do, he'll start to deliver the goals he did for Man City under Hughes.
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Jenas.
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Chris Herd.
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I have preferred Clark as our holding player to Herd, thought he showed a touch of class in there. I'd have him over Herd as YPOTY, Collins would be runner up to Petrov for POTY, mainly due to recent form and nicking a couple of goals.
I feel Herd has more bite than Clark. Clark has great elegance and poise and I think he's a leader. But in a season of struggle like the one we've been going through, I'd rather go into battle with a Herd.
Where is Clark's best position? He had some brilliant games in midfield then faded badly. Maybe he'd operate best as a cultured defender alongside a meat and potatoes style stopper?
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I would actually go for Warnock - has had some shocking games and had had the crowd on his back almost all year - but ability aside he has never gave less than everything for the cause when it could easily have been that he sulked off into a corner - so fair fucks to him
Not as daft as it seems, we all like a trier and he's always given it 100% despite being in pretty poor form. He was given a massive round of applause when going off yesterday.
I'd go for Robbie Keane, showed some real class and leadership in his few games and it would send a message that we are not happy bunnies.
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Petrov. Given probably second. Of the youngsters, Herd has been the standout performer.
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Don't think Herd's been more than tidy. If he was a senior pro it'd be a decent deason, no more. Given hasn't made many mistakes, and Petrov's always put a shift in.
Special mention for Warnock. Though he's had more shockers than the MEB he's never hidden during games (hello Jlloyd) and has always put his body on the line. The shockers were spectacularly shocking though.
Terrible selection to make, but I'd give it to Ireland, though that's partly for the "idea" of Ireland - i.e. finally seeing something like the player we thought we were getting. If we had a something like a manager to trust I could see us building a very good side around him. So Ireland.
Bollocks.
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Player: Stiliyan Petrov
Young Player: Chris Herd
Most Improved Player: Stephen Ireland
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Player - Given
Young Player - Herd
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So the front runners are Given who has been ok, Petrov for an average season, Gabby for a couple of good months, ireland who didn't turn up until the new year, Herd who has been in and out of the team and steady but unspectacular, Warnock who has been a car crash or Keane who was here for five minutes?
And people wonder why we have been bitching about our season?
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Petrov for me, then Ireland and Given
Herd for YPOTY
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Player: Stiliyan Petrov
Young Player: Chris Herd
Most Improved Player: Stephen Ireland
yes, you got this right Leeg.
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All sentiment aside, my vote goes to Petrov.
Runner-up Gabby, for the 'couple of good months' that will probably keep us up.
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Petrov for me.
As an aside, I had the pleasure of presenting Ireland with the Lions clubs Player of the Month yesterday.
You give them the magnum of champagne, they sign it and give it back to you to keep.
Did you manage to finish it by full-time?
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Player: Stiliyan Petrov
Young Player: Chris Herd
Most Improved Player: Stephen Ireland
This for me too...
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Petrov for me.
As an aside, I had the pleasure of presenting Ireland with the Lions clubs Player of the Month yesterday.
You give them the magnum of champagne, they sign it and give it back to you to keep.
Did you manage to finish it by full-time?
Oh no, it's being saved for a rainy day. Even I'd struggle to drink a magnum of champagne on my own.
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You're slipping Pauline. ;)
Agree Warnock doesn't hide. As someone once put it he'd throw himself in front of a train for the Villa. He cares, he just isn't very good at the moment.
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How about putting it on E-Bay and auctioning it off in aid of Stan? Just a thought.
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I wouldn't be for giving Stan player of the year just because he's ill, however I really think he's been our best player so far this year. If not him then Ireland.
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Ireland player of the year
Herd young player of the year
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1. Petrov
2. Herd
That's it really. No one else warrants a mention.
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How about putting it on E-Bay and auctioning it off in aid of Stan? Just a thought.
I'll have a look into that, Legion. Mind you I've never sold anything on eBay.
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How about putting it on E-Bay and auctioning it off in aid of Stan? Just a thought.
I'll have a look into that, Legion. Mind you I've never sold anything on eBay.
Or add it to the stickied auction thread.
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I think Pauline should keep it for an emergency when she needs to get really pissed on champagne.
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That's a good point, Damon. I had thought about saving it until there's something Villa related to celebrate. What's the shelf life of champagne?
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Petrov. Given probably second. Of the youngsters, Herd has been the standout performer.
This for me.
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Was talking about this with my dad before the game yesterday, it was basically a quick shrug of the shoulders followed by "I suppose Herd has been ok".
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Gabby's couple of good months that might keep us up indeed. It shows you how dreadfully shit we have been when a bloke who has done little in 5 or 6 months might be what has kept us up.
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Just on football reasons I say Petrov.
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How about putting it on E-Bay and auctioning it off
Warnock? Can't we just give him to the Albion.
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That's a good point, Damon. I had thought about saving it until there's something Villa related to celebrate. What's the shelf life of champagne?
Put it this way: don't plan to drink it when we win the FA Cup. It will taste like dishwasher tablets and you will be dead.
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Petrov for me and Chris Herd young player of the year
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Goal of the season should be a bit more interesting, despite our goals for column we've actually scored a fair few crackers.
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Ireland I think. Just by way of example, in the last, fairly abject, game against Stoke he did look the part a bit more than the others - not that it led to any goals but I was on the edge of my seat slightly more than when anyone else had the ball. As others have said I think we should build a team around him and the young 'uns - don't think we're about to sign anyone else of his quality in the near future.
Would like it to be Petrov and/or Herd but they're not quite there on purely football reasons in my view.
Hello everyone by the way. Was a regular poster under this user name about 10 years ago - for various reasons went away, but now I'm back. Break out the bloody champagne.
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Can't think of anyone that's been good throughout the season really apart from Given , Herd and Ireland. I'd go for Ireland as he's my kind of player, and it's shame more of the others aren't on his wavelength. Sentiment aside I've always been a bit Meh! as regards Petrov and I've not seen anything to change that this year. Consistent yes, but consistently average, the personification of "not quite good enough for the top end of the PL".
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Ireland for me. Mainly because at the start of the season, I had very low expectation levels from him.
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I thought Petrov was having his best season for us until his illness.
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Weimann will score 20 gals in the next 6 games and win Young Footballer of the Year, never mind our player of the season!
In the real world, Ireland or Herd.
My son actually stood with mouth agape on Monday and said "Fuck me, what's Ireland doing with all that running about stuff?"
Herd's got the makings of a really good player - nothing fancy but very reliable in any/every game.
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Goal of the season should be a bit more interesting, despite our goals for column we've actually scored a fair few crackers.
Petrov against Everton and a few decent ones from Gabby and Herd. Not to forget Weimann.
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Goal of the season should be a bit more interesting, despite our goals for column we've actually scored a fair few crackers.
Gabby on the first home game of the season for me, outside of the box with a beautiful finesse around Robinson. Lovely Lovely Lovely.
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Goal of the season should be a bit more interesting, despite our goals for column we've actually scored a fair few crackers.
Petrov against Everton and a few decent ones from Gabby and Herd. Not to forget Weimann.
Keano against Wolves too.
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Petrov vs Sunderland and N'Zogbia vs QPR are worth throwing in there as well.
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Player: Stiliyan Petrov
Young Player: Chris Herd
Most Improved Player: Stephen Ireland
Would have to go with this also.
I was in the minority willing to persist with Ireland all through last season and until December of this when he finally got a run in the team. He has touch, movement and vision that really can't be taught and therefore a certain amount of shenanigans are worth turning a blind eye to. I really hope we buy players in the summer that are on a similar wavelength to him. Otherwise he's wasted (in a way like Angel was during our mediocre days under Taylor/O'Dreary).
Herd has been solid. I kind of thought he would go the same way as Hogg from last season who was similarly dogged and combative. Chrissy seems to have a bit more about him, as shown by his peach of a goal at Anfield on Saturday. He's also as brave as a lion and the potential to be a useful asset from headers. Of all the kids he deserves recognition.
Had Clacker been given more of a chance before Christmas and been free of injury in the second part of the season he would have pushed him. Similarly, the welcome emergence of Weimann has been too recent to give him an award. The much-vaunted blooding of Gary Gardner has yielded tentative results. I thought he looked the best player on the pitch in his cameo at Newcastle when he came on for the last part of the game. But too often he has been shunted out to the wing and as a result hasn't imposed himself enough in games. A lot more to come you would hope.
The class of 2009, Bannan, Albie and Fonz have all found it trickier this season. It will be interesting to see what, if any, role they have at the club next season.
Finally, Stilyan (did anyone hear Garth Crooks calling him ''Sylvain'' on BBC the other week?!) was having a solid season as ever, this time augmented with far more goals than before. We all know there's shortcomings to his game but he's been the most consistent player we've had over the last few years and if he gets this award - the whole idea of awards this season is pretty dubious given the mediocrity that has enveloped us; Petrov will at least be a deserving winner on merit rather than sympathy.
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i think it should go to Kev Mac
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Petrov for me – not out of sentiment, I'd have gone for him before the sad news. The only other player who comes close is Given.
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Petrov or Given.
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Petrov
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Nobody springs to mind really in terms of being really good, in which case i'd give it Petrov.
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Petrov will undoubtedly win it and deservedly for his service over recent years- i would go for given but i beleive in the circumstances it will stan by a landslide.
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Robbie Keane.
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Petrov & Herd. Simples.
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Petrov because inspite of his shortcomings he plays as if he cares.
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I think its Herd, easily. Great season, plays a number of positions, box to box, developing, great attitude and a super first goal. And home grown is the best bit of all
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Ireland or Herd for me.
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For reliability and consistent performance it has to be Stan. When he was out of the side over Christmas and New Year we missed his presence massively.
Ireland has improved with a run of games, but not done enough over the full season.
Herd has not let us down this season and hopefully can take that experience into next year, where hopefully a few more of the youngsters can grab the opportunity.
Given has done as much as I expected him too. Great shot stopper, but if he had more control over his defence then he could have been in the running.
Not much else to shout about, but I think Lichaj has done himself no arm either.
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although i said Ireland, i wouldnt have a problem with any of the names others have mentioned, its been one of those seasons where a 'player of the year' is a bit of a misnomer
everyone apart from Hookey's offering of Warnock obviously, i put it down to the fact he must have been smoking the old Mexican Woodbine on that day
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I think Keane would send the message out to the club that we aren't happy. He was quality when here as well.
Stan obviously has the sentimental vote, and I wouldn't be against him winning it. As stated elsewhere he's always given everything for the club and has had a decent season until his illness struck.
Ireland has done ok, but not enough over the season to win it. Given has also had a really good season and would be behind Keane or Petrov for me. Herd has done well and should win young player.
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Keane for me - as his goals as Wolves may be the difference.
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No one. They have all performed below the standard expected except for young players coming into the team. Herd therefore is the best however we need to keep him grounded as the honour to be selected Aston Villa player of the year should be earned not given.
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A special mention for Collins as well. I've not come away from too many games thinking he was rubbish and more often than not he does a good job for us.
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I'm really struggling with the praise for Ireland. Even the OS are describing him as a 'Talisman' today. He doesn't seem to do much for me, he's just there. I think N'Zogbia has made more of a contribution.
Anyway, Petrov the winner IMO.
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First half of the season, Gabby, but overall it was Petrov until his illness struck.
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I'd go for either Petrov - because he was decent in the first half of the season and as a gesture of solidarity.
Or Carruthers - his only minutes in the first team included a nice run that should have got a (match-winning) penalty. He hasn't had the chance to show the lameness of character, poverty of decision-making and limited skills of the rest of the current rabble.
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Under the current circumstances and our position in the league can i ask a question?Is this thread a complete piss take?
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Does any single individual stand above any other?